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StumbleuponTime Warner Cable pulls WDTN-TV signal, negotiations resume
Friday, October 03, 2008
DAYTON — Executives for Time Warner Cable and LIN TV Corp. resumed negotiations Friday, Oct. 3, on a new contract, after Time Warner pulled the plug on the signals of WDTN-TV and other LIN TV Corp.-owned stations from local cable offerings.
Both sides have said the terms being discussed are confidential.
Courtney Guertin, spokeswoman for LIN TV, responded: "Time Warner has known since August that the contract expired on Oct. 2nd. We previously offered TW an extension and they didn't accept it, nor even respond. They finally sent their first serious proposal late yesterday afternoon, and we worked diligently beyond midnight to close the gap, but were unsuccessful.
"There is no reason for any TW subscriber to lose access to LIN Television programming. Esentially all TW subscribers can receive LIN signals over the air or through another multi-channel distributor," Guertin wrote in an e-mailed statement.
Dropping the WDTN signal means that the bulk of Time Warner Cable's approximately 300,000 Dayton region customers cannot directly receive NBC programming through their cable package. Customers in the northern part of the company's Dayton service area are an exception because they receive the signal of the Columbus NBC affiliate WCMH, said Pamela McDonald, a spokeswoman for Time Warner Cable in Cincinnati.
Time Warner customers can view WDTN local news at 10 p.m. on WBDT-TV, known as Dayton CW, McDonald said.
Time Warner Cable replaced the WDTN, Channel 2, signal with HBO Family Channel programming. Time Warner also began making antennas available at its Dayton Mall store to customers who want to pick up WDTN's free over-the-air signal, McDonald said.
The negotiations cover LIN TV's 15 television stations in 11 markets from Buffalo, N.Y., to Indianapolis to Austin, Texas, including WDTN, Dayton's NBC affiliate.
LIN TV officials have said they are asking Time Warner Cable to pay them at a "fair market value" rate — less than a penny a day per subscriber — for the right to carry the LIN stations' signals on local cable networks. LIN, based in Providence, R.I., said it has reached similar agreements with other major cable providers including DISH Network, AT&T, DirecTV, Comcast, Charter Communications and Grande Communications Networks.
Time Warner said it is trying to manage costs for its customers and doesn't want them to bear the costs of broadcasters' business plans.
Contact this reporter at (937) 225-2242 or jnolan@DaytonDailyNews.com.
Comments
By Jaysus
October 15, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this
Now you’ll all be forced to move to a real city like Paincourtville, LA
By Tech
October 12, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this
Just in case everyone hasn’t figured it out already, WDTN is the biggest looser. They lost 300,000 viewers, many of whom will switch to the standby antanna to get their favorite NBC programming, however, other than weather, many will tune in channel 5 in Cincinnati in protest to WDTN.
Can you just imagine how idiotic WDTN is, to let the TWC subscribers just flap in the breeze while advertisers will likely cancel contracts. WDTNs’ Lisa Barhorst, VP & GM should resign in disgrace & disgust!
By Nancy
October 10, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this
I will differ with Barb & Jennifer, we have had Dish for several years, and love it. We were out of elec. 8 hrs.during the windstorm. Dish was on when the light went out, and Dish was on when the lights came on. I can count on one hand, how many times our dish has been off since we have had it for several yrs. And never off for more than 10 minutes at any one time. Nancy
By Tech
October 7, 2008 6:10 PM | Link to this
Some months back, WDTN implemented a blog / discussion area similar to this where viewers could express their opinions on various stories and etc. The comments were so negative, that they scrapped the format, preferring to paint their own positive only portrait.
WDTN and LIN TV lost 211 million thru June 08 and now want to make for poor managemnt on the backs of TWC subscribers.
Lisa Barhorst, VP & GM, seems to be at the root of many of WDTN’s problems. Poor management, poor oversight!
By Tech
October 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Link to this
It is reported that TWC has approximately 300,000 customers in the greater Dayton area. Of that,less than 15% watch WDTN at any one time. WDTN says they want only “pennies a day”, but they want it for all 300,000 subscribers, and that amounts to about 1 Million dollars a year per penny?
WDTN doesn’t even say how many pennies a day they want? Pennies is plural, we know they want at least 2, but could it be 3, or 99. WDTN is playing you for the fool if you really believe theit “cents” argument
By Tech
October 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
For those who don’t understand why all the fuss?
TWC has a contract with all local stations. These contracts are designed to spell out the processes and procedures under which TWC will re-transmit the local stations broadcast. These are not contracts where in fees are negoiated or paid for “rights”
There are however significant costs associated with the re-transmission, and these are the costs you see on your TWC bill. Don’t let WDTN play you for a fool!
By Jennifer
October 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Link to this
Karen, I do not work for TW, but I did work for WDTN at one time and I know how they work they can’t be trusted and they are loyal to no one. So if you the viewer think for a moment that WDTN has YOUR best interest in mind, you are sadly mistaken. WDTN cares nothing about anything except for lining thier own pockets with your money.
By Brion
October 7, 2008 10:24 AM | Link to this
Who cares who is at fault. NBC is NBC a national broadcating company who covers a great deal of programing. NBC Should step in and get this resolved. TWC Is the anti-christ and should offer all the local channels and national broadcasts. NBC also needs to get with the program and offer High Definition Programing like ABC AND CBS
By ck-Beavercreek
October 7, 2008 12:42 AM | Link to this
Don’t care who’s at fault, coupled with their recent pathetic attempt to upgrade the online guide and constant increase in cost, I’m dumping TW for AT&T—free DVR, $200 cash back, free wireless modem,and…in hurricane-prone Beavercreek… …FREE BATTERY BACK-UP for phone and Internet!!
By Mr. Buckeye
October 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Link to this
I don’t miss WDTN s bit. Wait until the next set of ratings is published. I’ll bet WDTN, who will then be dead last in the Miami Valley (if they ar enot already) will then be ready to pat TWC for the opportunity to be added to the cable line-up.
Until then, TWC, why don’t you add a Cincinnati NBC station in WDTN’s place ?
By Jerry
October 6, 2008 1:26 PM | Link to this
(continued from below)… Time Warner to send the signal out the wires they paid for (or are leasing - depending on where you are) to the cable boxes they provide and support on our TV(s). And LIN TV wants them to pay for this? What about I go to LIN TV and they give out a high def antenna to hook up to our TV(s) and then they staff the telephones when my grandmother calls up for support. I know I can get the signal for free OTA. It’s a convenience for me to have it on the cable box. Just my 2c
By Marty
October 6, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
TW says they don’t want to pass on the costs to its customers. Isn’t that what we pay every month? Cable fees continue to rise and TW continues to care more about the bottom line than its customers. TW keeps taking away services and the price continues to rise. Not fair, not community minded, and not welcome. As soon as another cable company is up and running, and there is one in the works, I will be up and running TW. Thanks for nothing.
By Marty
October 6, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this
TW says they don’t want to pass on the costs to its customers. Isn’t that what we pay every month? Cable fees continue to rise and TW continues to care more about the bottom line than its customers. TW keeps taking away services and the price continues to rise. Not fair, not community minded, and not welcome. As soon as another cable company is up and running, and there is one in the works, I will be up and running TW. Thanks for nothing.
By Jerry
October 6, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this
Karen, do you work for LIN TV? After all the information they (both TW and LIN TV) have been putting out on the radio/tv/etc I like the “…less than 1 cent per viewer per day…” tagline the best. Sounds reasonable to the average viewer until they start doing the math. Roughly 300,000 viewers….times 1 cent per day….times 30 days in a month….and for what?…. (continued)
By Karen
October 6, 2008 9:38 AM | Link to this
Jennifer, Do you work for TW? That’s what I thought. It doesn’t matter what the customer wants, it’s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and if you work there you know that for a fact.
By Jennifer
October 6, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this
I have one word for those switching service due to one channel, Stupid. when WDTN loses money from advertising due to them losing a good part of thier market they will come crawling back to TW. I had satilete and it SUCKED.
By resident evil
October 5, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this
If LIN says they need money for all the equipment to brodcast channel 2 why shouldnt TWC ask them to pay for all the wiring and equipment to run a cable to a subscriber? Wait a minute we pay the cable bill for the wiring and watch 2s comercials to finance thier operation! Does it cost LIN for TWC to send us thier channel?
By FORMER TWC EMPLOYEE
October 5, 2008 10:11 PM | Link to this
NOTHING LIKE WATCHING SUNDAY NITE FOOTBALL ON THE INTERNET……THANKS FOR NOTHING TWC
By FORMER TWC EMPLOYEE
October 5, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this
NO SUNDAY NITE FOOTBALL……NO SUPERBOWL…..IT SEEMS LIKE THE CUSTOMERS ARE ALWAYS GETTING SCREWED BY TWC AND BIG COMPANIES….THEY ALWAYS SAY ITS NOT THEM (TWC) IT TOOK A YEAR TO GET ESPN U AND IT ALSO TOOK A YEAR TO GET BTN….AND NOW WE LOSE WDTN….WAHT A SHOCKER…..WHAT ABOUT WHAT THE CUSTOMERS WANT?????? IF BTN DIDNT MAKE THE CABLE BILL GO UP SO WHY WOULD KEEPING WDTN????? I BLAME TWC AND THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES……I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT THE CUSTOMER COMES FIRST.NOT WITH TWC $ RULES
By FORMER TWC EMPLOYEE
October 5, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this
NO SUNDAY NITE FOOTBALL……NO SUPERBOWL…..IT SEEMS LIKE THE CUSTOMERS ARE ALWAYS GETTING SCREWED BY TWC AND BIG COMPANIES….THEY ALWAYS SAY ITS NOT THEM (TWC) IT TOOK A YEAR TO GET ESPN U AND IT ALSO TOOK A YEAR TO GET BTN….AND NOW WE LOSE WDTN….WAHT A SHOCKER…..WHAT ABOUT WHAT THE CUSTOMERS WANT?????? IF BTN DIDNT MAKE THE CABLE BILL GO UP SO WHY WOULD KEEPING WDTN????? I BLAME TWC AND THEIR BUSINESS PRACTICES……I WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT THE CUSTOMER COMES FIRST.NOT WITH TWC $ RULES
By Karen
October 5, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this
Well, to all of you who are not canceling due to being on a 2 year contract, Don’t let that stop you. TW broke that contract when they started dropping channels. Also I bet since you agreed to that contract, they have even raised your rates! DROP THEM! DO IT NOW!
By Ani
October 5, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this
The bottom line here is that all our the local affiliates charge Time Warner to air their (free channels)broadcasts. It is WDTN’s parent company LIN that is being greedy. Our local NBC (WDTN) affiliate has no say on this matter. Unfortunately LIN is the GREEDY one and will have to deal with it’s decision.
By Ron
October 5, 2008 10:32 AM | Link to this
Assuming these clowns get some type of an agreement in place, lets pray that it will be in HD this time. If not, then I will for sure SWITCH!
By cota
October 5, 2008 1:00 AM | Link to this
Alot of people said that TWC shouldn’t have to pay for a “free” channel. How come TWC doesnt offer any “free” channels then. Basic cable is 90% “free” channels , but yet they still charge for those. hmmmmm ??
By LIN@Fault Here
October 4, 2008 10:35 PM | Link to this
LIN Corp is the one at fault here. Regardless of TW’s crappy service, LIN - in markets across the country, is trying to charge cable subscribers for the ‘right’ to watch thier FREE broadcast. It sucks having to switch to rabbit ears to watch NBC for football - because other than that LIN can keep the stupid channel, but the fact of the matter is that NBC is a public, over-the-air, free channel. People using an antenna receive NBC for free - why should I, as a cable subscriber, pay for it?
By Erik
October 4, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this
I don’t care who is at fault. I pay a ton of money each month for television service with Time Warner. It seems to me both of this companies forget where the money comes from.
I have already contacted DISH and will have it installed this week. 200 channels, more than triple the HD offerings of TW and $40 less per month.
Oh, and it has NBC. I would like to thank TW and LIN for ruining my opportunity to watch Notre Dame. Lucky OSU doesn’t play on NBC. Riots would ensue.
By Jeremy
October 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
This is a joke. $$$
By Jeremy
October 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
This is a joke. $$$
By Jeremy Vannorsdall
October 4, 2008 8:46 PM | Link to this
This is a joke. $$$
By LuLu
October 4, 2008 7:36 PM | Link to this
Just think for a second TV 2 gets advertising bucks from local advertisers, now they want TW to pay additional to them for retransmitting the same programming with the same commercials to reach 300,000 TW customers not otherwise readily available, and do it all under FCC over the air broadcast license.
What a rip-off of the consumer. If anything WDTN ought to have to pay TW for the right to reach those TW customers, and thus lower the TW customers bills!
Think About it!
By LuLu
October 4, 2008 7:30 PM | Link to this
Lin TV so far this year has lost 211,000 million bucks. Check out Yahoo LTV stock. Lin TV is for sale, and they are trying to build value into the company to boost its potential selling price. WDTN is just one of the pawns in the game of corporate greed!
Viewers can not afford for WDTN to win this battle for the big bucks!
By JRP
October 4, 2008 7:09 PM | Link to this
WDTN is trying to have their cake and eat it to. The get money from advertising, and now they want 3K a day for the rights to re-transmit Free TV..
If they do that, and agree to that, they should have to block all commercials. Why should I have to end up paying more money for cable TV just because of the greed of WDTN, and have to watch the commercials too.
Also most of TV2 local programming is done by nut jobs like Jim Bucher who is a stumble bum of a reporter.
By Brian
October 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Link to this
I really couldn’t care less about Time Warner Cable. They are a horrible cable company when compared to Comcast and Insight, both of which are not available in my area. This issue was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I’m opting to give AT&T U-Verse a try. Especially since TWC has run so many negative ads about them lately. AT&T offers The Big Ten Network in HD, NBC in HD, and another 30 HD channels that TWC does not offer.
By JP
October 4, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this
It doesn’t affect me, since we are on Directv—but it seems that it would be beneficial for both to negotiate in good faith. Local channels are either offered or not. TWC says they offer them, then it’s time to come to the table and negotiate like grown-ups. There’s plenty of pie for everyone. Be fair.
By Gizmo
October 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Link to this
DOH!! Thanks for the correction Pete!
We’ll make that .0085 not .085 or roughly $965,000 total NOT 9.6 MILLION!! Hey what’s a few million anyway. :) Still a lot of money just for airing WDTN’s broadcast signal. Once WDTN’s sales staff starts canvasing businesses to advertise with 311,000 less viewers I think they may start renegotiating. The big question is what do WKEF and WHIO get paid, if anything?
By BlameWDTN
October 4, 2008 11:33 AM | Link to this
Karen, I agree with you on the Customer NO Service that TW provides, but that isn’t the issue and has nothing to do with this article. The fact is that WDTN’s parent company is desperately trying to find a way to stop its stock price from plummeting and they’re using WDTN viewers as pawns to do so. Everyone thinks WDTN is the little guy and loves to hate the big corporate TW. LIN TV made over $80 million last year. Don’t kid yourself that rooting for WDTN is rooting for the underdog.
By cbizzle
October 4, 2008 8:47 AM | Link to this
sorry to wdtn but every other local affiliate reached a deal w/ time warner so it makes no sense that they couldnt reach a similar deal. but am i the only one who still gets nbc on channel 12? your not missing out without wgtn and you wont be missing nbc football. so relax and eventually wdtn will be back at a lower rate, they have no leverage with another nbc channel still on
By Barb
October 4, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this
I am going to still have timewarner, because I can still see channel 2 for free using my antenna, cause I like watching the news and Deal or No Deal. I was not pleased with dish cause everytime a little rain would come the dish would go out on me.
Berp
By amy
October 4, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this
Anyone who thinks TW has “broke” any contract may do well to … read … that contract ! Safe to say, it will have a clause that says they can add or remove channels at their will.
By BillyBob
October 4, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this
Most of you crack me up. WDTN (on your side!) is basically saying that if TW gets any money from the subscribers for carrying Channel 2 then that money belongs to Channel 2, not TW - in other words “We won’t let you screw our loyal viewers unless you give us the lion’s share of the reapings.” And you guys eat it up and get all flamed at TW - it’s dopes like you that Channel 2 is counting on, because what this comes down to is that Channel 2 is wanting to charge you for a free broadcast.
By LIN CROOKS
October 4, 2008 12:30 AM | Link to this
LIN IS THE ONE CAUSING PROBLEMS. THEY PULLED WNDY AND WISH FROM THE BRIGHTHOUSE SYSTEM ALSO.
LIN CAN SUCK MY PLANTAIN, AND SO CAN WDTN
By Dave
October 4, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this
Your contract was locked in with X amount of channels well if WDTN was removed then TWC isn’t standing up to what was on your contract.
By Chris
October 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Link to this
To Cin: And if you work for Time Warner They Suck the life out of you!
By cathy
October 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this
TIME WARNER = IDIOTS!!!!!!!!! Greedy IDIOTS
By cathy
October 3, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this
TIME WARNER = IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!
By Cin
October 3, 2008 11:15 PM | Link to this
We changed from TW a few years ago to Dish and we love our Dish!With TW, it seemed that every other month the bill was going up. They are just a greedy, greedy company. The only way to bring down their prices is to stop buying it, but the people don’t seem to get that, therefore, TW keeps sucking every penny out of you.
By cota
October 3, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this
No Sunday night football ?? No Superbowl ?? No Jay Leno ?? No Office ?? No My name is Earl ?? hmmmmm guess what Im doing Monday morning :p
By Karen
October 3, 2008 10:27 PM | Link to this
BLAME, Doesn’t matter what you say Doesn’t excuse Time Warners Extreamly Bad Service or rudness in your call center. The wait for repair. Or their skyrocketing prices. Astronomical Prices and Bad Service. It just took something like this for TW customers and former customers to air their feelings about How Time Warner mistreats and over charges them. And Cable bills have tripled in the last few years. Get a clue!
By John
October 3, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this
Simply doing a Google search reveals in fact that the company that owns 22/45 has their own retrans agreement with TW that they made in 2007 for a 3 year deal. Not sure about 7 or 26’s companies. Google is your friend!
By Pete
October 3, 2008 10:15 PM | Link to this
Seriously, people, please learn some basic math! If I see that WDTN is going to make $9 million one more time I will throw up on my screen. They will make around $1 million, which is significantly less. And don’t fool yourself if you think other stations don’t receive money for being on TWC. And what’s worse is channels that you don’t even watch make a lot more than 1 cent per subscriber. TWC is a joke and has been for a while. The only way to get an ok deal out of them is to threaten to cancel.
By SteelTrap
October 3, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this
TW is a service-based company that has not been doing a very good job of deliverying what their consumers want. They have been “THE” ONLY video company receiving poor press: Poor feedback on their Navigator product, embarassing bargaining campaign with the Big Ten network, and now victim to LIN TV for losing NBC. There are 3 other video providers in Dayton DirecTV, Dish Network and AT&T U-verse. None of these “other” companies have issues negotiating with networks. SWITCH!
By Tom
October 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this
I am a DirecTV subscriber and have been paying $5 a month for locals ever since they were offered in the Dayton DMA. When DirecTV raised their rates they rolled the cost into the price. Now we do not see the added cost.
Nothing is free, even with over the air you have to watch the stupid commercials.
By BlameWDTN
October 3, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this
Time Warner does not have an agreement of this type with any other local channel. If they were to cave in to WDTN you can expect the local FOX, CBS, ABC and CW stations to follow suit. Now it’s 5 x 9 million which is 45 million / year they’re losing. Time Warner has other much bigger negotiations coming up with companies like Universal which makes LIN TV’s 15 stations look pathetic. If Time Warner were to cave in to all local stations like this your cable bill would be more than tripled.
By BlameWDTN
October 3, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this
Time Warner does not have an agreement of this type with any other local channel. If they were to cave in to WDTN you can expect the local FOX, CBS, ABC and CW stations to follow suite. Now it’s 5 x 9 million which is 45 million / year they’re losing. Time Warner has other much bigger negotiations coming up with companies like Universal which makes LIN TV’s 15 stations look pathetic. If Time Warner were to cave in to all local stations like this your cable bill would be more than tripled.
By BlameWDTN
October 3, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this
The people here blaming Time Warner exclusively for this have no idea what’s going on. WDTN is 1 of 15 stations that LIN TV owns. As someone mentioned earlier at 311,000 subscribers LIN TV is holding TW captive for $9 million / year to air programming which is available for FREE over the air waves (HBO/ESPN/etc is not, which is why TW pays HBO/ESPN/etc for their programming). You may say that 1 penny per month is no big deal to you but you have to look at the bigger picture… (continued)
By BlameWDTN
October 3, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this
The people here blaming Time Warner exclusively for this have no idea what’s going on. WDTN is 1 of 15 stations that LIN TV owns. As someone mentioned earlier at 311,000 subscribers LIN TV is holding TW captive for $9 million / year to air programming which is available for FREE over the air waves (HBO/ESPN/etc is not, which is why TW pays HBO/ESPN/etc for their programming). You may say that 1 penny per month is no big deal to you but you have to look at the bigger picture… (continued)
By Amie
October 3, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this
I love TWC. My cable/phone/internet always works! See how fast your stuff gets fixed with another company-You’ll switch back!
By Fairborn TWC Customer
October 3, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this
TWC has sucked since it took over Continental cable which sucked forever. We pay for channels we don’t want or use, we’re on bottom tier service and still pay more than the lowest dish program. My neighbors just went to dish, I will too. I am sick of paying for stuff I don’t use. TWC you better listen up. I don’t blame 2, TWC is redistributing their product w/o paying for it. TWC don’t pay your bosses any bonuses yet.
By Karen
October 3, 2008 8:44 PM | Link to this
I think TW is screwing us. Let’s face it, they have a monopoly on cable tv in our area. Why can’t we get Comcast down here? Could switch to Direct TV, but I have TW’s cable, digital phone and internet bundle package and are “locked in” for a 2 year period because it seemed like a good deal - except during a wind storm when all 3 services are unavailable. Can’t see why TW can’t provide us with NBC another way, without WDTN - there should be a way! I’m totally upset with both TW and WDTN.
By Kathy
October 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
The only show that I will not do without is Oprah, and it can’t be viewed online like many network primetime shows can. If TW picks up Oprah again via ABC like they used to before WDTN switched from ABC to NBC, I’ll stay with TW. But if Oprah doesn’t show up on my TW lineup, I am gone. Period.
For the record, I am on WDTN’s side and blame TW. The days of getting things for free to resell are ending. TW needs cable competition to wake them up.
By Kathy
October 3, 2008 8:34 PM | Link to this
The only show that I will not do without is Oprah, and it can’t be viewed online like many network primetime shows can. If TW picks up Oprah again via ABC like they used to before WDTN switched from ABC to NBC, I’ll stay with TW. But if Oprah doesn’t show up on my TW lineup, I am gone. Period.
For the record, I am on WDTN’s side and blame TW. The days of getting things for free to resell are ending. TW needs cable competition to wake them up.
By karen
October 3, 2008 8:26 PM | Link to this
J You must be a brainwashed TW employee. Yes you do charge the customer for local channels. Case in fact, basic package includes local channels,so when you buy a basic package you are paying for local channels.Remember when you the employee got all your cable for free? (Times)have changed.Remember when employee PPV was free?or are you that new? My Bad, that was before Cincinnati took over.You’ll pay DP&L for their pole, but you won’t pay WDTN for their service? Go Figure. IDIOTS!
By Fed up
October 3, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this
Does anyone know what deal channels 7, 14, 16, 22 and 45 have with TW? Is channel 2 the only one asking for payment for the use of their signal?
By Mary
October 3, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this
With everything else that is happening in the economy with families losing jobs, homes, health care, gas and grocery prices (and still recovering from a natural “disaster” in Ohio) - I can’t believe TW nor WDTN would be disputing this now.If it’s “only pennies a day”, then let TW and WDTN split the costs and fight it out but leave the consumer out of it. Everyone knows we’ll be having to pay it anyway, just like everything else!!! It’s strange TW is offering its customers free voicemail…
By Mike
October 3, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this
Both parties are being unreasonable, but I blame Time-Warner for extremely bad management. Nothing more than I’ve come to expect. Everyone should urge their local governments to change their cable concessions to someone, anyone else. I called TW many times to find out what their plan was to continue to provide NBC programming, and they have none. No one can tell my why they can’t simply provide a Columbus or Cincinnati NBC channel on their service. After all we have a Cincinnati CBS channel
By John
October 3, 2008 7:25 PM | Link to this
Gizmo’s math teacher must be sooooo proud. If they’re asking for 85 percent of 1 cent, it works out to a whopping $3.10 per year per subscriber. I’m on 2’s side. Another company is taking something that WDTN provides for Free over the air, and reselling (yes, believe it or not they are charging you for it) for a profit. I’d be a little upset too and want compensation if a company was doing that to me. Bad TW. Bad.
By karen
October 3, 2008 7:18 PM | Link to this
TW used to be a agood cable provider,if you look back to the end of 2005 when the Cincinnati division took over the dayton area Thats when it all went to hell. Their rates keep going up and the service continues to fall. It’s the worse service ever. We said good by to TW. And went with Embarq, (dish). The high speed internet is faster than roadrunner,the phone service is great and we have had no problem with the dish network.And it’s a lot cheaper. And Jennifer you and Jeff must work for TW
By TW Antogonist
October 3, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this
You Americans are so crazy. You complain and still do nothing. Who would pay American dollars to watch a local station that you can get for free? I know!! You crazy Americans would!!
By anonymous
October 3, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this
First they take the Hallmark Channel, now Channel 2. As soon as my contract is up I am so done with TW!
By chris
October 3, 2008 6:49 PM | Link to this
A HD NBC would be a novel crazy idea in dayton consiering cincy and c-bus have it, TWC better watch it when AT and T U-verse comes to town, there will be a mass exedus
By Pete
October 3, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this
Gizmo, gotta check your math buddy. Decimal points make a big difference sometimes.
By dave
October 3, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this
HEy PR,
Rabbit ears will still work after Feb 09. You’ll still be able to get glorious HD that looks better than cable for satellite for free just like you can today.
By Dan Born
October 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Link to this
I think that Time Warner is charging too much for their services. Channel 2 should be properly compensated, and re-instated.
By Dan Born
October 3, 2008 6:40 PM | Link to this
I think that Time Warner is charging too much for their services. Channel 2 should be properly compensated, and re-instated.
By Kathy
October 3, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this
I prefer cable. We need more competition, as we are paying way to much for our service. I want cable, but if I can’t have all of the main channels with it, I don’t have a problem calling AT&T. Get on the ball and settle this.
By Gizmo
October 3, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this
For those you siding with WDTN, “less than a penny a day” seems pretty cheap, right? The exact amount isn’t known but, you would presume it’s close to a penny. Otherwise they’d being saying something like “A little more than half a cent”. With that said figure the amount @ $.085 or eight and one half of a cent per day per customer. Take this and multiply it by 365 days a year = $31.02. Multiply $31.02 by 311,000 TW subscribers = $9,647,220!AKA, 9.6 Million dollars / year. I think WDTN will cave.
By Brian Moriarty
October 3, 2008 5:59 PM | Link to this
Who cares? If you want to watch TV, hook your PC to your television and watch away. The network websites have all the shows. Or try hulu.com. Or use a Bittorrent service. You have alternatives. If people would complain in the most effective way possible - stop subscribing and watching crap - then the corporations take notice. It’s ironic watching you people go on and on about how you are missing something. Go read your law books and FCC charters - then you will see how you got screwed. Sheeple
By Brian Moriarty
October 3, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this
Who cares? If you want to watch TV, hook your PC to your television and watch away. The network websites have all the shows. Or try hulu.com. Or use a Bittorrent service. Stop complaining. If the people would complain in the most effective way possible - stop subscribing and watching crap - then the corporations take notice. It’s ironic watching you people go on and on about how you are missing something. Go read your law books and FCC charters - then you will see how you got screwed. Sheeple.
By billy
October 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this
Drink Coke!
By Jennifer
October 3, 2008 5:40 PM | Link to this
Convert, I use to have satelite and it SUCKED we were always losing our signal. With TW I had cable as soon as the power came back on after this last wind storm. If you like satilete good for you, I think it sucks. as for WDTN it sucks and blows all at the same time.
By Pop Tart
October 3, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this
I support TW all the way!!! I never thought to much about this station until this situation happened. I now realize, I only view that channel occasionally (for Oprah show). My family have said the same thing “Were not missing anything by this station being nonaccessable.We still get to watch our NFL, MLB, News, Series, etc…” If I want to watch Soaps; I also have no problem with that situation because my are on channel 7!!!
By DishRag
October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Link to this
When you have no electricity you have no tv. Over the air, cable, or dish doesn’t matter.
By Convert
October 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Link to this
I switched to DirecTV from TWC several months ago and I can tell you this with certainty, Satellite does NOT constantly go out and I never had a service interruption after the storm, can a TWC customer say that. If you switch you will not be sorry.
By Karen
October 3, 2008 4:36 PM | Link to this
STOP THE TIME WARNER MONOPOLY BRING IN OTHER CABLE COMPANIES!
By Karen
October 3, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this
Satelite bites you constantly lose reception, but if Time Warner and NBC don’t grow up and start thinking about their consumers I guess I’ll have to go satelite!
By OTA Kid
October 3, 2008 4:31 PM | Link to this
Go the high-tech, wireless route. How about an antenna? :)
By Jennifer
October 3, 2008 4:26 PM | Link to this
Well someone is missing thier soaps. Why not go to WDTN and watch it their lobby, how many does WDTN have, lets see, could it be just ONE? Call WDTN and tell them until they can work out something with TW you want to watch your “soaps” in their lobby. She how far you get, you’ll see just how much they care about you then.
By Funny
October 3, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this
Call Hyde Satellite in and Frank will come out and hook you up with a great deal!
By Ron from Centerville
October 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Link to this
Again, TW disapoints its customers. If you step outdies of the Dayton area, the other cable companies blow TW out of the water. It is time to induce some cable competition. They can cut their advertising, which we all grow so tired of listening to, and share those dollars in better programing (more HD) and lower rates.
I just got back from the AT&T store today and called Direct TV, because my wife is outraged with NOT getting NBC. Missing her soaps is NOT an option.
Bye bye TW.
By Buh Bye Ch 2
October 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Link to this
This is to Brookman. I believe you are incorrect. TW does not pay any local station to broadcast. And fyi, WHIO must air no matter what, due to the fact that they are provided federal money to maintain the EAS (which used to be the EBS) system. This whole situation will be resolved soon, as WDTN will lose so much money that they will end up caving in. Time Warner just needs to be patient and wait it out. For those who don’t like TW, if that’s the case then GET RID OF IT & quit your bitching.
By starlite
October 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Link to this
TW is a bunch of losers. When our cable goes out, which it does often and I call them, they say unless 3 people on my street call in with outages, then it’s not considered an outage and thet won’t get to us for 2 weeks, I’m sick of calling India and never speaking to someone that speaks English. Wdtn has a lot of shows we watch and it’s time to cut TW lose.
By bob
October 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
The networks offer most of their programming on the internet, with fewer commercials. Just an option. In the Big Ten debate, I think that if football games are played at a state university funded with taxpayer money, then the universiy should be required to broadcast those games on a publically accessible channel. No one should have to pay to watch them. The Big Ten Channel can also carry them, but should never have been granted exclusive rights to them…nor should ESPN. I blame the state.
By N Alexander
October 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
People aren’t leaving TW because of WDTN. They areleaving because they have been building a hatred towards TW for years, but this incident gives them ‘a reason’ to finally make the jump they thought about for years. TW should have seen in coming, go back and read the comments when they ‘reprogrammed’ the cable boxes. They have been pushing for a long time, they just finally pushed too far for too many of their customers.
By Rick
October 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this
I am making the switch to Directv but it is not over just this one station. Time Warner has a piriful HD lineup. With Directv I will get 4 times as many HD channels for less cost per month than with Time Warner. The WDTN problem is a just one of many problems with TW. I would not switch for just one channel but since they refuse to add more HD it is time to switch.
By Jack
October 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this
OMFG! What if someone asks you “Did you see Leno last night?” and you have Time Warner?
By Jennifer
October 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Link to this
Issiac it IS NOT ALL TW WDTN is trying to double dip. They are getting money from advertising and sending the signal out. They in turn want to collect more money from TW. The problem is that WDTN is unable to get anyone to pay for advertising so they are trying screw the dayton viwers
By Jeremy
October 3, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this
If anyone wants to watch WDTN’s news broadcast it is shown at 10PM on Dayton CW, which is Channel 13 in Huber Heights.
By Jennifer
October 3, 2008 3:39 PM | Link to this
everyone is wanting to make the switch based on one local channel. For those of you heading that way ask yourself, What happens if the samething happens with Direct TV or Dish Network or where ever you go. If you are tied into a contract you are screwed, all over on local station who can’t play with the big boys.
By Isaac C
October 3, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this
This is not an issue with WDTN. It has to do with Time Warner, the sinking ship. With AT&T’s U-verse having arrived, they are indulging in all kind of monopoly tactics to stay alive.
Locking up the cable box in our apartment complex. And not providing a key to the apartment office. If I need AT&T U-verse which has much better service, I will have to get the technician from them waiting for the TW guys if they need access. And they never show up.
Time Warner is trying for the last gasp…
By Isaac C
October 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
This is not an issue with WDTN. It has to do with Time Warner, the sinking ship. With AT&T’s U-verse having arrived, they are indulging in all kind of monopoly tactics to stay alive.
Locking up the cable box in our apartment complex. And not providing a key to the apartment office. If I need AT&T U-verse which has much better service, I will have to get the technician from them waiting for the TW guys if they need access. And they never show up.
Time Warner is trying for the last gasp…