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By Mike

October 17, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

To all the union employees who have ever voted to strike….you reap what you sow!

By Gary

October 15, 2008 6:47 AM | Link to this

I feel very bad for the families affected by these closings. Seems American’s are losing jobs and homes at an alarming rate. I wonder when we will wake up and smell the coffee and work toward becoming an energy independent country. What short attention spans we have. When gas is scarce we conserve and look to produce, buy and drive energy efficient cars. When the oil is flowing cheap we forget, we have been there before. I am reading a newly released book by Jeff Wilson called the Manhattan Project of 2009. It should be a required read for all members of our government. www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com

By edie

October 7, 2008 9:26 AM | Link to this

Enough is enough. All I hear about is meaness and envy. This the reason America is in the state it is today. Every person hates to see some other person prosper. Sure there are some lazy workers and then there are some good workers, beleive me I know from personal experience of having worked for about forty years. People need to have some kind of sorrow for people when they lose their livelyhood. Start to pray for others and learn to love people besides your self. We are all God’s people.

By mark

October 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

You have done it to yourself we have cars that can’t compete in todays market and the companies are just as bad they have taken advantage of the American public long enough When i have people tell me that they can inspect parts till noon and call it a day because they have met their quota for the day only to go set in the break room and smoke until it is time to go home and laugh about it with the union protecting them i don’t feel sorry for you at all

By William

October 4, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

I do believe that the days of high paid porduction worker are coming to an end . It makes me sad to see GM close the doors on the Truck plant. I also think there will be a very hard ripple effect through out the Greater Dayton area & could very well effect my job. The situation of employment any more seems that if you do not have any techincal training , you will not see the wage that the GM Workers made in the past.

By David

October 4, 2008 7:59 PM | Link to this

The union members have given many concessions to keep GM in Moraine City.Look what happened to Delphi Harrison,they gave and gave but Gm didn’t care so they sent the work to Mexico and now the same thing is going to happen to the truck plant.Mexicans can’t afford to buy what they build.Greed is all it is.

By Ben

October 4, 2008 7:07 PM | Link to this

Others have pointed fingers in every direction. I just want to thank the employees of GM Moraine for building me a great vehicle. I love my TrailBlazer.

By Rusty Bolt

October 4, 2008 6:43 PM | Link to this

maybe they can retool the plant to make refrigerators and washers and dryers

By Wake Up

October 4, 2008 6:35 PM | Link to this

People saying the reason why the plant is closing is becasue the SUV’s built at the plant have poor MPG rating have no idea. The Envoy gets 16/22, the new Traverse crossover gets 17/24.

It’s more than just that. Another thing is the look of the SUV’s; the current design of the Envoy/Trailblazer looks the same as they did back in 2002. In a world of individualism everyone wants their car to be the latest, greatest, flashiest looking thing, so the demand went down.

By Mike Young

October 4, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

It is a shame it will really hurt daytin area,more then it has before. P.S. Bad move

By Mike Young

October 4, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

It is a shame it will really hurt daytin area,more then it has before. P.S. Bad move

By Jimmy

October 4, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

The plant makes the Trailblazer, Envoy , 2 gas eaters, thats why this plant is closing. People want more better fuel economy , car based SUVs like the all new Travese , which is now being built in the previous Saturn plant in Spring Hill T N. This product, the Travese will replace the Trailblazer. This plant won’t reopen !!! GM had too much capacity , 5 million vs selling at 3-3.5 million products per yr. Its as simple as that !!!

By Ted

October 4, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

I hate to see the GM plant go, but please stop saying how terrible it is to happen 2 days before Christmas. It happened yesterday, be glad they gave you 2 months official notice.

By Ted

October 4, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

I hate to see the GM plant go, but please stop saying how terrible it is to happen 2 days before Christmas. It happened yesterday, be glad they gave you 2 months official notice.

By GMContractWorker

October 4, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Farewell GM Moraine and all the good folks I met the past 9 years. It has been a pleasure working with the Union and Non-Union employees alike.

People seem to think this is affecting the UNION only. However, the media does not mention the jobs lost or leaving the Dayton area, by salaried, contractors, suppliers, ect.

Unfortunately, any way you look at it, this affects the entire economy in the area! And that affects US ALL!

By Bob

October 4, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

The reason people have trouble refinancing has nothing to do with who holds their mortgage and whether it was bundled into a security. People have trouble refinancing because they’re upside-down on their mortgage. No bank is going to give you a loan for more than your house is worth, and these days probably not for more than 80% of your homes value. So if you took a 100% loan, and your house value fell, good luck getting a refi, and if you’re original loan was a variable rate, you’re SOL.

By karon

October 4, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

It is time Dayton has some new leadership. Mike Turner has done nothing for the Dayton area. Please this election vote for someone who will make changes for the Dayton area. If these Leaders dont take a interest in there own cities this shows they are not leaders for this country!

By Matto

October 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Link to this

I don’t live in Dayton anymore but I recognize the nasty cynicism. Gotta get it together one by one. GM won’t do it. They won’t even make the cars that we want to buy. Government won’t do it. They are reactionary. Surely GM are workers are good people. Anybody is who goes to work and works hard every day. 27 bucks an hour is all relative, sounds high for Florida, low for any big city. Gotta make something that people want to buy. That’s a job.

By Extremely Sad

October 4, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

I worked at the Toyota Georgetown plant previous to coming to Moraine. The workforce is good and the work they performed was good comparble to the Toyota workers. Their work is difficult not mindless and their compensation is equal.The systems are different However GM is now on par by any measure JD power quality, Harbour productivity etc.I dont understand the thoughts expressed here of the union workers getting what they deserved. Wage envy?? They fulfilled their contract and earned their pay.

By jonbuoy186

October 4, 2008 10:36 AM | Link to this

I’m amazed at all the comment’s that you folk’s are making.While I’m saddend at the demise of GM,I’m not surprised.While you live in the “warm fuzzies” of Kettering and Centerville you lose touch with reality.I live in a gulf coast county in Fl.and the average wage for a family is 11 K a year.The biggest employer is Wal-Mart.No manufacturing jobs or assembly lines.And folks here live in abject poverty.Folks living in House trailers with NO electric,no running water just food stamps.Your Lucky.

By Tommy

October 4, 2008 10:23 AM | Link to this

It would be funny if it was not so sad, how stupid people get on here and make fun of people who have lost their jobs and brag about how they make more in a month than a GM worker makes in a year, of course a computer will print anything you want to type on it no matter how stupid it is or how big a lie it is. Any one who is not sad to see so many people lose their jobs, are a sad end to what was good for the whole area.

By Joe

October 4, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

To the hard working employees of all the former GM plants I say THANK YOU. Many of my relatives worked at these plants and they were hard working, good people who supported the communities they lived. Sadly, they didn’t stand a chance against the UNION low life’s and lazy a$$ses who lived off the GM t*t. Yeah, the high price of gas and an antiquated product line hurt Moraine, but it’s been the worthless Union hack and slackers that crippled our once great manufacturing base in the Miami Valley. Once again, THANKS TO ALL YOU HARD WORKING GM EMPLOYEES. You know who you are.

By moose

October 4, 2008 9:49 AM | Link to this

Guess GM didn’t participate in the bailout.

By mwm

October 4, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

The big SUV is a dinosuar. New technology was not being implemented until gas went to over $3 per gallon. There was absolutely no reason that GM trashed the Impact. And did not pursue alternative drives. If our automotive companies would have put time and energy into new technology 20 years ago, the big SUV’s would be getting 75 MPG and more. But, short term profit was the goal, not long range planning.

By John F

October 4, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

To CAT (cont.) The problem is that wall st. created security instruments with these mortgages- thus shutting all homeowners out of any possibility of refinancing into more affordable terms if their mortgage happened to be bundled into the securities. Because no one had clear ownership to the property once the mortgage was turned into a security obligation, mortgage rates reset and homeowners were powerless to do anything about it. So don’t blame the all homeowners.

By Smith

October 4, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Wow 27.55 for the average salary. And that is after all the old timers took early retirement. And people wonder why it is closing. Sad for the area but what do you expect. No more need for SUV’s and why bring in another vehicle when you can open a new plant and not have to pay the high price for old spoiled worker who think they deserve that much money when you could teach someone to do it in a month at most.

By Smith

October 4, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Wow 27.55 for the average salary. And that is after all the old timers took early retirement. And people wonder why it is closing. Sad for the area but what do you expect. No more need for SUV’s and why bring in another vehicle when you can open a new plant and not have to pay the high price for old spoiled worker who think they deserve that much money when you could t

By John F

October 4, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

To CAT-

I am not sure where you came up with your 400K per household figure, but that is incorrect. If the 700 billion were divided up among all taxpayers (including the top 5%), then that would equate out to just 2K per taxpayer. There is also an unfounded perception that all delinquent homeowners are deadbeats. The fact is, the majority of homeowners who were sold mortgages were told that they could refinance before their mortgages reset to higher rates.

By John F

October 4, 2008 8:48 AM | Link to this

What is sad is that Dayton (and this country) does not contingency plan in place. We have squandered the legacy of our forefathers through a lack of education and a lack of leadership. We have failed to hold ourselves to higher standards. We have allowed the common good to be replaced by the corporate will. We have failed to embrace change and diversity while the rest of the world has changed around us. Now the question is, what will each of us do on an individual level to reclaim our heritage?

By envoygurl

October 4, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Kinda sad..all those Bitter comments still on this board, basically as they would say “talkin smack” REALITY HIT…it also it the hairdressers at the mall who are now only making 10-15 a day in tips think local economy folks! Its not just you what happens when we leave to Lordstown or whatever? Not only do we not see our loved ones here but the econ. here is zilch!…I dont know I guess being in the heart of it I’m sick of all of the negativity…..for the few positive posts…thanks so much!

By Derek

October 4, 2008 8:35 AM | Link to this

mwm do you not understand the basics of economics? GM produced a vehicle that the majority of America demanded. 10 years ago everyone wanted a SUV, and quite a lot of households in America had an SUV. Gas prices were low and the demand for smaller fuel efficient cars was also low. Call GM a dinosaur all you want, they were simply create a vehicle that people demanded. Again, as I said before, apparently everyone has a masters in automobile economics. Or at least they though that have it…..

By Paul

October 4, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

Boo-Whooo for the unions and their ill-gotten high wages and benefits. Know a GM-retiree who actually gor more in retirement then made in his monthly checks from GM! OH!! If only I could of had a job like that!!!

By Rusty Bolt

October 4, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

CB….hard work is all relevant..Hard work compared to what? Seriously I want to know. Handling a jack hammer all day is hard work.Moving furniture all day is hard work,bailing hay all day is hard work..what say you?

By Rusty Bolt

October 4, 2008 7:59 AM | Link to this

I can see both sides of the equation.First off for years GM has had the reputation for paying workers VERY WELL to do mindless tasks. The union protected those who were drunk or high on the job, abused sick days,tardiness and just plane old laziness. That is a fact.When it became evident that GM was sinking the union started giving concessions,but..only for new hirees.The old boys still got there high salary, unnecessary OT and genorous health coverage. The newer hirees didn’t get all this.

By mwm

October 4, 2008 7:32 AM | Link to this

GM, Ford and Chrysler in some ways, missed the boat. The big SUV had become a dinosaur. New product development, including new technology seemed slow. The europeans and asians are once again tapping into a need for smaller fuel efficient cars. Smart, Cooper, Toyota, Honda. Jobs in assembly lines are going away. People that want jobs will have to leave Dayton.

By barking bulldog

October 4, 2008 7:23 AM | Link to this

With all the huge layoffs on Wall Street, in the manufacturing sector - like at GM, in the service industries - like DHL, in construction and in small businesses - WHEN ARE WE FINALLY GOING TO SEE LAYOFFS IN GOVERNMENT? How about a 50% cross the board of all non essential government bureacrat employees. Montgomery County is fat and bloated as are most local cities. How about the state and federal government reducing payrolls by 50% and getting off our backs!

By bigdaddyzeus

October 4, 2008 3:34 AM | Link to this

allright cat, one more thing. link:http://www.cod.edu/people/faculty/mcgrath/child.htm when you put nothing but importance on TESTS only you get nothing but preparing for tests only, no solid educational structure for any grade level

By CAT

October 4, 2008 3:34 AM | Link to this

Zeus, Good conversation and best of luck!!! Take care and yea i noticed that too about the misspelling, lol.

By bigdaddyzeus

October 4, 2008 3:30 AM | Link to this

Cat you sound like a very interesting person with solid beliefs. I would love to continue this converstation over beer and some wings but alas I must part. I just wish everyone would turn off the infotube that feeds them misguided information and wish we all would meet at town hall to express our solid and demanding opinions to seek a resolution to this country’s issues TOGETHER!! Also, does everyone notice that when you type fast you tend to misspell words? Weird.

By CAT

October 4, 2008 3:28 AM | Link to this

ZEUS, i’ll name ya a big one, “no child left behind” that is very important espescially in a city like dayton with a poor education record. it is trying to better our future of tomorrow. hell in a city like detroit 25% of all students graduate!!! something needs to be done and the bush plan is a great plan and a way to push towards the future. if you don’t think that is an important issue, name one for me then that you disagree with?

By bigdaddyzeus

October 4, 2008 3:23 AM | Link to this

Cat, the city where we live and the country that we live in are being ran by lobbyist and special intrest groups. Party lines do not matter anymore. It is a sad fact that you have to vote for who will screw you less. Capatilism gives you the sad state of affairs in this country. No one, and I repeat, no one in Washington gives a damn about “Joe six-pack” at all. They just want to take your $700billion bailout and run. We let them do it so why should they stop? Long live stupidity!

By CAT

October 4, 2008 3:23 AM | Link to this

and look where we stand, thousands of jobs are gone, we have a very poor public school system, we are one of the top 20 most dangersous cities in teh US and one of the top 10 fastest dying cities in the US & republicans and democrats alike did mess up, but we need to look at the big picture, the situation we are in with the bailout is due to the reinvestment act and if the government would give each household a share of that 700 billion they are giving away, each household would recieve $400,000

By CAT

October 4, 2008 3:16 AM | Link to this

I don’t believe that, you do have to have moderation, and quit paying attention to a biased media and read a book or the reports on line for yourself. But if you think a person like Obama is the answer for over the 100 times he voted present instead of voting on important issues, he actually voted 40 something odd times and 97 percent of the time he voted democrat and in 2007 he was voted the most liberal senator in the US. My point is the city that you love is ran by a democratic governent…

By bigdaddyzeus

October 4, 2008 3:14 AM | Link to this

and one more thing, can you name me one thing that the bush administration has done in the last 8, I repeat EIGHT years that has had a positive impact on our country? Please let me know what decision, law or just any implemented plan that has not turned out to be a complete and definitve turd? Where has the logic been in this administration? Look and you will see that all movements this administration has made were made to grease someone else’s or their wallet. Terrorist attack an excuse?

By bigdaddyzeus

October 4, 2008 3:04 AM | Link to this

CAT, so by your hypothesis it must be stated that the stable and PROFITABLE economy that Clinton had was a fallout from the bush sr. presidency? I smell bullpoopy somewhere. Clinton was not a saint but he wasn’t bought and sold as intensely as both bushes have been. You need to re-educate yourself on the real comings and goings of this world. Your “blame all democrats” logic is part of the ill informed past and is what has brought this once glorious country to its knees.

By CAT

October 4, 2008 2:55 AM | Link to this

I’m just curious to how many time you have striked and/or threatened to strike in the past 15 years? And to ZEUS its a proven fact Clinton got us into this mess. Study politics. It takes 5-8 years for a presidents plans to take action and look who’s in the office after the mess Clinton created. For what is going on with the bailout, this was created in the 1995 community reinvestment act passed by clinton. Bush has done the best he could under the circumstances and we had a damn terrorist attack

By xmoraineworker

October 4, 2008 2:31 AM | Link to this

For all those who are slamming the workers of the Moraine plant, I left in June with the buyout offered to persue returning to school and hoping for a better future due to the announcement of the closing.
Yes, we made a good wage however, the false idea that we sit in cafeterias and did not work hard, I must argue. Its a sad day when people applaud the loss of jobs and the effect this will have on Dayton…

By bigdaddyzeus

October 4, 2008 2:13 AM | Link to this

You know, I just wonder how many of the GM workers have voted for Bushy the last two elections. It realy doesn’t take common sense to understand that this situation is a direct result of what bush and his fellow cronies want and get from this country. Alot of good people will be struggling to feed themselves and their families for the next few years thanks to this fiasco. You know what, if you need a job, Frisch’s Big Boy is willing to hire you for a 1/8th of what you were making.

By Bob

October 4, 2008 1:35 AM | Link to this

Looks like wordell is the angry one. He can’t stand it because someone else does good. I am a winner, a World Champion race car driver. Wordell is a winner at losing.

By Punch Clock Prisoner

October 4, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

Notwithstanding all the BS and Bafflegab above, the union workers are not to blame for bad corperate decisions that result in a product that has become out of favour to the buying public. High fuel prices, uneven quality parts sourced from the lowest bidder, crappy dealer sales and service policies, company warranty problems etc, etc, etc are not the responsibility of the union worker. Other than after some elections, how can anyone be happy that someone is out of a job……

By GoodbyeUnions

October 4, 2008 1:06 AM | Link to this

What the entire media is missing is that the unions priced themselves right out of these jobs. Looks like nobody’s working now! How’s your picket line look? GM could’ve closed any one of hundreds of plants…but they chose this one. Why? Local unions that are unreasonable.

By jag

October 4, 2008 1:04 AM | Link to this

By know means do I generalize that all GM Moraine Employees do nothing except sit in cafeterias, but when the productive employees do not inquire to the union about fear of such activities endangering their own jobs, I would understand the ease that which my job could be replaced. Many years ago, it was only the risk of relocation to a nearby production center that had more available “rural” population of which to exploit, (in my opinion) but now a days, only executive activities exist locally..

By Wordell

October 4, 2008 12:56 AM | Link to this

Bob, enjoy your job loss. You’ve tired me out. Stupidity on your part, at paying that much at a Crown Plaza, makes me laugh…and feel sad for you at the same time. As you stumble/bumble/fumble/crumble angrily through the rest of your “f—k everybody” life…remember that there are winners…and Bob.

By DB

October 4, 2008 12:39 AM | Link to this

Bob was right about this, when I met with the UAW president and asked what GM was trying to get out of, he put his head down and said EVERYTHING. Think about it, a man that worked his whole life, now retired suddenly loses his RETIREMENT

By Bob

October 3, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

“The reason the plant is closing is not due to gas prices or this union, but it is closing due to the contract GM signed with the UAW to save 5 billion in health care and retiree costs.”

By Bob

October 3, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

Wordell, you are just showing your lack of brain usage or overusage? I don’t envy you or GM and the unions. You must envy me because I stay at the Crowne Plaza and others at 2-3 hundred a night because I can!!!

By What the Heck

October 3, 2008 11:42 PM | Link to this

One last comment. Moraine Assembly is slated to be leveled in May 2009, so your thoughts of a grand re-opening are not going to happen. Just an insider heads up. Sorry!

By CB

October 3, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

I have work hard at Moraine Assembly for 9 years,missed maybe 3 days out of that time.I was on the line everyday and worked my butt off.I never needed the unions help cause I was one of the good workers.It is really suprising to me how heartless you people.I would never wish anyone to lose their job no matter how much money they made.How would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot.Cause all of you know that if you had a chance to get a job making good money you would not refuse it.

By hindsight

October 3, 2008 11:27 PM | Link to this

I do not think people realize that GM was making about $10,000 more profit on trucks and SUVs than they make on cars. GM chose to run the trucks and SUVs as long as they could but was caught off guard by the quick rise in gas prices. They saw the rise in gas coming 5 years ago but greed got in the way.

I wish all the Moraine Assembly workers the best in whatever they do after GM!!

By What the Heck

October 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

We all do what we think we have to do. Some of these new GM layoffees will go on to better things, some, not so much! It’s the bigger picture that I want all to see. This is not ExGMers getting what they deserve but a whole community getting less income and value from their community members. When will we start to see that it’s not what your neighbor has but our own value to our community.

By hindsight

October 3, 2008 11:16 PM | Link to this

I work at Moraine Assembly and saw this coming a few years ago. I used the tuition program to get my degree and am ready to leave Ohio. There will be really no good jobs here within the next couple of years.

I agree with College Freshman that GM will reopen this plant in a couple of years. Workers will start out at around 14.50 an hour and max out around $18 an hour. Pay for a good portion of their health insurance and have no pension….just a 401k.

By Wordell

October 3, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Bob, you’ll never understand wealth/wealth mangement. I could lose 5 times your yearly income you “earned bustin bolts” at Moraine before I’d blink that I had a money problem. I’m gald that upsets you. I earned it myself, continually, through good and bad economic times. Your densness and wealth envy is systemic to your place in life. You can’t get over that anyone wealthy earned it. GM and Unions are wealthy. Hate them? Your Motel 6 room is waiting for you when you “go where you want.”

By What the Heck

October 3, 2008 10:53 PM | Link to this

Factory workers are overpaid and spoiled???? Seems that those that can’t work for a good wage always critic those that do. Got a good one liner for pro-football players and CEOs? I can tell you aren’t doing their jobs either. People never learn, these Moraine Assembly jobs are just a tip of the iceberg. The communities will now lose their income tax revenue from these people and let’s not forget the 100’s of businesses that depend on these people’s big bucks to buy their goods and services.

By CAT

October 3, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

tax any business and person that makes over $200,000 dollars 66 percent, and yes it is $200,000 not $250 like Biden lied about, look up the facts if you don’t believe me. This is not just for GM but as well as small businesses which make up 97.6 percent of the jobs in the US, They will have to refocus their budget, cut spending, and inturn cut jobs in order to survive. Which leads to higher unemployment rate. This effects all businesses! Learn the facts

By CAT

October 3, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

tax any business and person that makes over $200,000 dollars 66 percent, and yes it is $200,000 not $250 like Biden lied about, look up the facts if you don’t believe me. This is not just for GM but as well as small businesses which make up 97.6 percent of the jobs in the US, They will have to refocus their budget, cut spending, and inturn cut jobs in order to survive. Which leads to higher unemployment rate. This effects all businesses! Learn the facts

By CAT

October 3, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

Let’s face facts. Quit blaming the republican party for the democratic parties failures. Who runs this city? A democrat mayor. What is our city council? Democrat? Look even at the school board! You have the school board cutting funding for “busing” which they wanted now children can’t even get a ride to school as well as cutting middle school sports and they wonder why juvenille crime rate is up? Rhine McClin has done a helluva job hasn’t she? For you who do not know, Obamas plan is too….

By gotitright

October 3, 2008 10:04 PM | Link to this

Bob, sounds like you are in control of your own destiny. Enjoy your retirement.

By Bob

October 3, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

I wouldn’t work for either one of you and nobody owes me anything. I got where I am by working hard all my life. I can go where I want, do what I want at anytime I want. Can you two do that. Sorry about your luck, but you guys will lose busineess due to the closing. You can’t handle the truth.

By gotitright

October 3, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

People that have never work have the belief it is easy. That is a myth. Try standing on your feet 8 hours a day assembling a vehicle. Yes, the employs get breaks, but it is still not easy work. And it is skilled labor. It certainly is more physical then sitting on your but all day in an office.

By John F

October 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

To Katmandu-

Actually turning the GM plant into a production facility for high speed trains does make a lot of sense. Rail travel will in the future become a more acceptable means of travel in the US.

Think about this- a partnership between GM and the airlines (such as United or Delta) to put in high speed train service between their hubs, with Dayton as the manufacturing and service center.

Between GM and the sponsoring airlines, there is enough capital to fund this initiative.

By Wordell

October 3, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

Bob: I own the job. You can work for “painfultruth” or me, but I doubt you could last more than 8 hours for either one of us. You are part of the millions of people who think we owe YOU something. “Truth” and I provide YOU with a job. I created my wealth through years of very hard work, starting at the bottom…a place you’ve never raised yourself from. Bob? Were you born an —-hole, or have you worked at it your whole life?

By John F

October 3, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

I think this is good news, albeit the timing is horrible. I say that because now planning can begin to redevelop that property. Maybe a mall or a moose processing plant. Afterall, you can’t keep complaining about the last 8 years people. I mean, there ya go, lookin backwards. Me and John McCain can use ya for our Afghanistan surge.

Hugs!

• Sarah Palin

By painfultruth you suck d@ick

October 3, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

You’re such a liitle man. Why dont you say your puke crap stuff to my face?

By Bob

October 3, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

plainful truth, you are not using your brain right now, because as a business owner you would think that if people lose their jobs, that means less business for you. Seems like the only people complaining on here are the people who don’t work for GM. What’s wrong did you all fail the drug test.

By gotitright

October 3, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

There is plenty of blame to go around between GM leadership, Unions, and elected officials. It is say to see anyone lose their job. Things don’t stay the same forever. If your young, you need to pick yourself up and recieve some new training and find a different trade. If you want to stay in manufacturing, you will need to move south and likely accept non-Union wages. Taxes on businesses are simply too high in this country. People don’t seem to understand the raising taxes destroys jobs.

By toomuchtv

October 3, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

Rhine McLin has made a financial mess of the city of dayton, now she wants employees to take a few dollars and leave. I pity whoever INHERITS THIS FINANCIAL MESS.. I guess a leopard does not lose his stripes. WE NEED MIKE TURNER BACK, this would have not happened with him.

By JB

October 3, 2008 8:58 PM | Link to this

Fortune Teller - I agree. The region has bought into the globalism “new economy” BS. It’s a model that will fail in the long run. Trade trips overseas to “attract and retain”, tax subsidies for companies that have no roots - these are wasted efforts. A couple of books for bringing the region back: 1st is “Going Local”, the 2nd is “The Small Mart Revolution”. The author lays out a great rationale and plan for reviving economies. Check out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9YUxYXG678

By matt

October 3, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Jag…you’re a complete moron. Yeah, GM was producing 300,000 vehicles a year or so by employees sitting in the cafeteria. I was displaced from dmax and brought over to gm recently to fill in. I left work every night in extreme pain and didn’t get feeling back into my hands til the next day. Just in time to go back to work. I don’t understand people having an issue with hard workers making 25 per hour. That’s roughly 48,000 a year. That’s not a whole lot of money these days, correct?

By Fortune Teller

October 3, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

Keep this website open cause a lot of people will need it when DHL goes down. That will make a collective 10000-12000 people losing their job(s) in the Miami Valley. What is Dayton doing about it? Sending people around to re-evaluate your property taxes! Sending officials to the Middle East to bolster trade! Great moves! And the state…………..Someone fill me in on those details………

By painfultruth

October 3, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

Bob, I own my own company. I don’t have to worry about “lasting on the line”. While my income is hardly any of your business, I will say that I make more in a couple of weeks than you do in a year if you work for GM. Trust me, it’s far tougher to OWN a company than it is to work on a production line. I have to use my brain on a 24/7 basis. You can turn yours off for the 8 horrific hours you spin nuts on bolts!

By Ex GM Guy

October 3, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

The issue at Moraine is not purely a US Union vs. China/India problem, it is a product placement and market demand issue. The facts of the matter are this - GM was too invested in trucks when the economy sunk and gas prices rose. This was not purely a GM issue, note that Toyota currently as 3 truck plants on shutdowns due to the same downturn. The issue is that GM was too invested in trucks across the US, the Trailblazer isn’t going to Mexico or China, it is simply going away…

By Smith

October 3, 2008 8:18 PM | Link to this

Bob You aren’t making it sound better. So everyone thinks that GM workers are overpaid in the area and they are on the low side. That just means the I am suprised it didn’t happen earlier. Maybe they wouldn’t have to try and save so much money by moving the jobs overseas if workers were paid in a normal range. Or not only paying all the benefits for current employees but for the ones that retired at 50. Must of been nice.

By R J

October 3, 2008 8:03 PM | Link to this

30 years ago, GM told it’s Unions, Be they UAW or IUE that by 2009 they would be down to 10 plants. SO why is it a BIG SURPISE that GM is closing so many plants. Unions knew about it 30 years ago. YEP they want to blame Bush or McCain . Why not look way back at the Union Leaders of the 70’s-80’s-90’s who sat with the GM higher ups to work this out. Don’t just blame a Republican.

By Suck it up!

October 3, 2008 7:53 PM | Link to this

I am so sick and tired of GM and the complaining. I was laid off three years ago and got 1 month’s pay, not a full year. Suck it up, go to school and get a real job like everyone else. Of course you’ll have to pay for your benefits like the rest of the work force, welcome to the real world where you have to work for your money!

By Katmandu

October 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

“By karon

October 3, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

…and the BIG one a light rail passenger train and of course high speed passenger trains! ” Oh yea!

Don’t for get Karoon’s moronic idea of the Ultimate Train to NOWHERE!

How are do you intend to fund this massive multi-billion dollar project for the Dayton area Karoon ?

By Tired

October 3, 2008 7:13 PM | Link to this

In the words of that new age philosopher Joe Walsh, “Get Over It.” GM makes crap and the union trash has overinflated egos. It is time for a new Dayton to emerge like a Phoenix from the ashes. Thank God that we won’t have to hear the GM dribble anymore. Next up…Delphi. So what will DDN have to report? Maybe reports about the hard working, quality businesses that remain. I got so sick hearing the babies whine. Get a Job!

By Bob

October 3, 2008 7:02 PM | Link to this

wordell, sounds to me like you are the loser. I get paid and healthcare for at least a year. what are you going to get when you lose your job? nada. Plus I can go to school for free while you have to get a loan.

By karon

October 3, 2008 7:01 PM | Link to this

Dayton will be shifting to alternative energys. This will create thousands of new jobs, There must be skilled workers for the new energys sources, such as wind energys and solar power and the BIG one a light rail passenger train and of course high speed passenger trains! ALL these will require a skilled labor force. This is 21st century jobs!

By steve

October 3, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

con’t…That’s what made these corporation what they were.. The union has culpability in the demise of GM but management does as well. But when big corporations build in 3rd world the people beg for a job and safety and EPA standards are tossed out the door. You can’t blame Unions for that! Blame the greed of the corporations, and to add insult to injury there is no tariff when the goods re-enter the US. That’s Republican politics for ya. Go OBAMA!

By steve

October 3, 2008 6:46 PM | Link to this

Since George Bush took office over 1,084 factories, plants or businesses have closed shop in Ohio due in part to tax breaks and cheaper labor abroad. Congressional leaders like John McCain has voted to allow these corporations to recieve these taxs breaks and is attempting to kill the middle class of this country. When foreign companies don’t inact regulation for clean air and worker safety rights thewy will allays build a cheaper product. All wealth comes from labor.

By BIG STEVE

October 3, 2008 6:23 PM | Link to this

ALL THIS TALK ABOUT UNSKILLED LABOR BEING OVERPAID MAKES ME LAUGH. IT WAS A COLLEGE GRADUATE,PROBABLY A BUSSINESS MAJOR, THAT NEGOTIATED THE WAGES FOR THE COMPANY,COLLEGE GRADS, PROBABLY FINANCE MAJORS, WHO SAID THAT THE WAGES AND BENIFITS ARE SUSTAINABLE FOR GM AND COLLEGE GRADUATES, PROBABLY LABOR LAWYERS THAT NEGOTIATED INJURED WORKERS BENIFITS,AND DEFINETLY A COLLEGE GRADUATE, PROBABLY AN MBA WHO ULTIMATELY SAID OK TO THE NEGOTIATED LABOR AGREEMENT. GEE SEE WHAT A COLLEGE DEGREE DOES FOR US!

By KL

October 3, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

YOU NEED A UNION TO SAVE YOU FROM THE GREED OF THE UNIONS. LOOK AT HONDA AND TOYOTA ALL THE WORKERS ARE HAPPY AND MAKING MONEY IN THE USA. AND SELLING CARS. GOOD GOING UNION LEADERS HOPE YOUR HAPPY YOU PUT YOUR MEMBERS ON THE STREET.

By union worker

October 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Link to this

I’m a union worker and I can tell you all it’s good for is saving the good-for-nothing employees. Unions suck and all I get out of it is membership fees. The union has run my company to the ground by saving the dirtbag employees

By College Freshman

October 3, 2008 5:34 PM | Link to this

Funk, your speculation on freshman are outrageous. I’m a girl and I don’t smoke weed hun. Like I had said I am simply going off what I have heard. IF GM does reopen its doors it probably wont be making the cars we know of today. They are outdated and the fuel source for them is getting to be to much.

I believe hydro-cars are the best way to go. The only by product is clear water. Yes it might seem dangerous to run around in a car that could explode, but so do today’s cars.

The truth is, our economy is spiraling down into a depression. Anyone with children need to make sure their kids go to college (there are programs to help you get your kids into a good program.) Or at least have them learn some sort of useful skill so history doesn’t keep repeating itself.

By Funk49

October 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Link to this

“By College Freshman

October 3, 2008 5:20 PM Personally, I believe GM will keep its doors closed for two years, which is when everyone will lose their call back rights. Then it will reopen its door, and hire people at a lesser pay rate. Let this be a lesson to everyone; be careful of what you wish for”

You must be smoking some good WEED in that freshman dormroom of your’s young man.

IF (and that’s a BIG IF) the Moraine Plant ever reopens chances are it WILL be manufacturing CHINESE cars!

By Ron

October 3, 2008 5:25 PM | Link to this

I was employed at Frigidiare when GM sold the appliace business to White-Westinghouse. It was not high union wages that forced GM to sell off the Frigidaire Division. The Frigidaire Division folks were making approximately 4 bucks an hour LESS than the GM automotive workers. At that time,in January 1979, The Frigidaire Div. of GM was the ONLY division in the corporation that was operating in the black. GM sold off the appliance division, because it did not “FIT” their future business structure.

By College Freshman

October 3, 2008 5:20 PM | Link to this

First of all, anyone that believes they are not going to be effected in some way from GM’s down fall is about as stupid as stupid can get. It’s a domino effect that will cause massive repercussions in the end. GM shutting its doors will not only cause GM employees to loose jobs, but all the people within the area that supply GM. Like Johnson Controls, (which both of my parents work there, my mom worked at GM back before the company down sized.) The Dayton area will more than likely die as it is. For the most part people within this area are factory workers, and when they no longer have money to spend elsewhere neither will any Mc Donald’s worker, or Mall worker. Face the facts people!

People also expect everyone that’s loosing their job to go back to school. It’s true that employee’s that were laid off have to opportunity to go back to school for ’free’. However, what people fail to realize is WHY they didn’t go to a college in the first place! School was not nearly as effect as it is today. Programs to help middle to low income families were not around. Not everyone can simply read and write a simple paper. Two years is a long time to live off Unemployment and TRA befits, which is only a faction of what the employ was making before the lay off. (Depending on where you work, the percentage is different.)

For those employee’s that actually DO their job it is HARD work. I don’t know how many times my mother has come home with problems in her hands and shoulders because of the work she does. The so-called Union is worthless! They fight for those that lost their job because they sucked at it, and where does that leave the good employee’s? Without a job in the long run.

Personally, I believe GM will keep its doors closed for two years, which is when everyone will lose their call back rights. Then it will reopen its door, and hire people at a lesser pay rate. Let this be a lesson to everyone; be careful of what you wish for.

Although I am going off speculation and things, I’ve heard my parents talking about. I mean, the dates could change, after all the plant was said to close in 2010… What year is it right now? 2008.

By Wordell

October 3, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Bob!!! Rough on that assembly line? Mind numbing mediocrity that takes no incetive, cognitive thought, decision making capabilities, same day in/day out doldrum, same stinking vehicle passing by…sort of like re-marrying the woman you divorced? You a HERO for being the guy who can do that for 8 hrs. a day year in/year out? Bob, you’re a loser, and now YOU won’t last 8 hrs. on the line…because there isn’t one!! HA!!

By CGrande

October 3, 2008 5:10 PM | Link to this

The Unions drove Frigidaire out of Dayton with wage demands that wouldn’t let the company compete. They got a second chance with the Truck Plant and history repeated itself. The unions are necessary to protect the workers but too much of anything can become toxic. The only yardstick the union leaders measure themselves by is HOW MUCH MORE they can demand. If management should not be greedy so should the Unions.

By Geronimo

October 3, 2008 4:56 PM | Link to this

[QUOTE]By U Haul

October 3, 2008 3:48 PM | Link to this

We have to move to a place where the jobs are. Any suggestions ???[/QUOTE]Ahhh…..CHINA !!!