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Dunn denies dollar demand

Adam Dunn is not a bit pleased that Bronson Arroyo told the Cincinnati writers that Dunn would be asking for $115 million to $125 million after the season.

And, in fact, he denies it.

“I don’t know where that number would come from,” said Dunn. “False information, that’s all I can say. That makes me look like a jackass. You never hear players talking about money. I don’t think about the offseason. Me and my agent don’t even talk about numbers.”

It came, of course, from Arroyo and Dunn is correct. Players don’t often talk money issues in the clubhouse. I’ve been around Dunn his entire career and not once has he lied to me or fudged on any question or answer.

If he says he never mentioned his asking price to be $115 million to $125 million, I believe him implicity.

And he said GM Walt Jocketty and his agent never discussed a contract, let alone any figured and he said he never told any teammates anything about what it would take to sign him.

THE ARIZONA DIAMONDBACKS were not happy that pitcher Micah Owings’ name surfaced as one of the two players to be announced later as part of the Adam Dunn trade.

They wanted him to clear waivers before they told him he was part of the trade, but his name surfaced quickly.

Owings was supposed to pitch Wednesday for Class AAA Tucson, but was scratched with a shoulder problem. An injured player cannot be placed on waivers, so the Diamondbacks can’t put him there until he is healthy and it is expected the Reds will put him through a physical before he is accepted in the trade.

So have we another Gary Majewski thing on our hands? Majewski was hurt when the Reds acquired him two years ago from the Washington Nationals. The Reds filed a grievance with Major League Baseball but it was denied and nothing came of it.

And pay attention to this? Dallas Buck, the pitcher that has been announced as part of the trade for Dunn, had Tommy John surgery last year.

IT IS LOOKING more and more like No. 1 draft pick Yonder Alonso won’t sign with the Reds. They have until midnight Friday to sign him. If they don’t, he goes back into the draft pool for next year.

Alonso reportedly wants a $7 million deal and a major-league contract that would put him on the 40-man roster. The Reds are offering $2.5 million and no major-league contract - and that’s about as far apart as opposite ends of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge.

Alonso is threatening to return to the University of Miami for his senior year or to spend the rest of the summer and the first part of next year playing independent league baseball.

Alonso said the Reds knew what he wanted when they drafted him and wonder why they went ahead and did it if they thought it would come to this.

Sort of reminds me of 2001 when the Reds drafted pitcher Jeremy Sowers No. 1. Sowers made it clear he was going to attend Vanderbilt University and would not sign if drafted. The Reds had no money for a No. 1 draft pick that year so they drafted Sowers, knowing he wouldn’t sign.

Then they told fans, “Hey, we made a good pick, but he wouldn’t sign.”

Maybe that’s the case this year, too. Who knows? I do know that it was a strange pick, in that Joey Votty is a young first baseman and there are some first base prospects in the system and some scouts believe that Alonzo is, “a bad body type who can only play first base and can only hit. He does nothing else.”

It reminds some of the year the Reds drafted first baseman Simone Peters when they could have drafted Lance Berkman because they thought Peters would hit 50 homers a year. As one man said, “Peters never made it out of ‘A’ ball and Berkman is on his way to the Hall of Fame.”

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By ross

August 19, 2008 2:16 PM | Link to this

owen…you dont have a clue…I agree with Hal on Dunn..you have a AAA team in Cincinnati..Dickerson, Hanigan, those guys cant play and your saviors Votto/Bruce will be decent players at best..not 40 bombs, 100RBIs, 100runs 100bb every year

By Y-City Jim

August 16, 2008 10:31 PM | Link to this

Objective sports writing would be pretty boring.

By James Owen

August 16, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

That’s the point, of course I am not objective because I am a homer and a Reds fan. I count on the media to be objective, as that is what they are supposed to be, plus objective reporting helps to ground me when I get to worked up about something silly. My point is that it is only natural for sports reporters to become friends with players and coaches, however, Hal McCoy and several other Reds beat writers and other media outlets have crossed the line. Dunn may have been the nicest and best guy to be around, but even the national guys thought he was overrated and had over stayed his welcome in Cincinnati. It is not pure coincidence that Dunn has been a Red for exactly 8 seasons and each of those have been losing. Not that it was all or even a majority of his fault, but Hal McCoy decided to throw in his “implicit” trust in the big Donkey in this blog spot, which shows his favoritism. This isn’t a popularity contest and Hal needs to get a little more grounded. He pulled the same stuff with Baker in spring training because he talked to him in a way other managers hadn’t. That doesn’t equate to good managing and I don’t always see Hal hammering the very questionable comments and movements by Baker either. I get your gist, and you are right to the extent that I shouldn’t have slammed Dunn in my response, but I think Hal needs to re-evaluate his perspective and objectives.

By Y-City Jim

August 16, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

James - In order to question Hal’s objectivity, shouldn’t you also demonstrate objectivity?

By James Owen

August 16, 2008 12:08 AM | Link to this

great objective reporting Hal. We all know you were tight with Dunn and thought the Reds should have continued with his play for whatever it took to sign him. Sorry the Reds made the smart play and got rid of this super sensitive player that cried half the time about meaningless stuff and was rarely worth the money he was being paid. Top that off with being the worst defensive player in the majors and the Reds should have paid him more than 125 million, so you and Dunn could continue to be BFF’s forever and ever. Guess the HOF means you only have to be a solid writer, because you obviously aren’t objective at all anymore.

By Y-City Jim

August 15, 2008 10:22 PM | Link to this

Dunn’s 162-game average is 137 hits, 113 walks, and 101 runs scored. So he is on base an average of 250 times. 101 runs scored is 40% of the time he is on base. Incidentally, Dunn’s speed rating is just slightly below average. Appearances can be deceiving.

By Sigh Yung

August 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Link to this

I doubt Mr Dunn EVER scored 40% of the time he got on base.With his lack of speed it would take him a day and a half to find the plate.

By Y-City Jim

August 15, 2008 6:11 PM | Link to this

Mr. Redleg (Original), maybe because the best shot of driving in runs on this team is via the extra base hit. Base runners alone are a premium, much less base runners in scoring position. Also let’s look at his run scoring ability. Dunn scores 40% of the time when he gets on base. If the 2008 Reds team could have done that, they would have scored 56 more runs so far. That would improve their run differential to -41 (versus -97). The Reds would likely be a couple games over .500 with that kind of a run differential.

By Steven Ross

August 15, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

Dunn’s gone and he ain’t coming back. Get over it! We’ll be much better off with him and Griffey. Better speed, defense and hitting for average is the direction Jocketty’s taking us now. So those of you lamenting the loss of Dunn, how about getting with the program? Jump on the team and come on in for the big win!

By Kelley

August 15, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

Arroyo is just bitter because HE didn’t get traded to a winning team. I BELIEVE DUNN, ALL THE WAY!

By Mr. Redlegs (Original)

August 14, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

Yeah Y-City, after all your slobbering and drooling over Dunn the past couple of days, he’s now up 25—count ‘em, twenty-five!—RBI this year that were produced with something other than a home run. But hey, he walks 100 times a year! All for the bargain price of $13 mil a year. The guy cannot hit a lick. Never has, never will.

By Y-City Jim

August 14, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Dunn’s error still leaves him with fewer than the guy he is replacing - Justin Upton. It also only one more than the wonderful Eick Ankiel.

By plrooney

August 14, 2008 9:56 PM | Link to this

I would not bang on the Reds to hard if they do not sign their No. 1 pick. The kid is asking for way to much money considering the guy one pick behind him signed for 2.6 million with the White Sox.

By redfuture

August 14, 2008 9:49 PM | Link to this

Dunn also made an error in today’s game.

By Y-City Jim

August 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Dunn had two RBI’s tonight. They were with two out in the inning. A bases load SINGLE. Must have been the first of career since supposedly he never gets two-out singles.

By wizard

August 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

Sometimes statistics mean nothing, when given an opportunity,with the right team! If what you say is true, it’ll be another bad Redleg decision,imo.

By Y-City Jim

August 14, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

Javier Valentin won’t even be in Cincinnati much less at 1B next season. Career OPS+ of 81, which means he is a well below average offensive ballplayer. It is even more pronounced when you look at his LH/RH splits.

By JaviertoJocketty

August 14, 2008 8:28 PM | Link to this

By way of the Wizard: You better take a real close look at me for next years first baseman—it’s the best way for you to keep Votto’s and my stick in the lineup—two of your best hitters, this year{even though, I wasn’t given much opportunity to play}! The first good reason for doing this is—you can get rid of CP, Or use him for defense only next year{while lowering his salary—based on his non-performance this year}.Play Joey {Votto} in left/Bruce in center/Dickerson, or whomever you get in offseason, in right. Next year, Mr. Jocketty, I can be your third catcher/ and, your second, third baseman/ and starting first baseman— Based on my performance for you there this year.Consider me, a more powerful Ryan Freel. Also, consider me as a more disciplined hitter right now than Jay Bruce, as demonstrated with my walk in third, after homering in my first at bat tonight.You save money making this wise decision; and gain a solid hitter/first baseman for years.

By Y-City Jim

August 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Link to this

I tend to believe that Dunn would not have shared that kind of info with another player, and even if he did, what would be Arroyo’s reason for divulging that info? Very peculiar that Bronson saw a reason to announce it to the world to hear.

By BIRDIE41

August 14, 2008 7:37 PM | Link to this

Hal, I agree with you. Dunn is the one telling the truth. But, I have a question for you.Is Mr.Castellini going to give rebates to all of the season ticket holders(which I am not) that have to watch this basically minor league team the rest of the season? I can not believe many people will pay full price for a ticket to see this team,I know I would not(I doubt I would go if someone gave me a free ticket).

By Mike-Cinci

August 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Until the Reds improve their amateur scouting and develop players in their farm system this team will continue to be lousy. It starts and ends with player development. The Reds are a bad baseball team because they have been poor at this for many years.

By mike cahill

August 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

The Reds drafted Elio Chacon instead of Mickey Mantle. I made that up. I’m pulling for Walt now to completely change this team and make it over in an image that will either win 95 games or play in a way that makes us hope for that. Get the attitude and the team personality and fill in with guys who fit.

By George

August 14, 2008 5:23 PM | Link to this

Hi Hal— So you think Bronson’s lying about Dunn? Sure, in uniform players never talk about money, but I bet they do when out at a bar or in a non-work situation. I believe Bronson.

By HuberTucky

August 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

So then…if Dunn is being truthful then Arroyo is a liar?

By redfuture

August 14, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

You must mean Brandon Larson. The Reds took him at #14 in 1997 while Astros took the future HOF Berkman at #16
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