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All over (for the Reds), including the shouting

The Cincinnati Reds didn’t go away like a sly, slinking fox; they went away like a wounded fox with a fear factor complex.

They couldn’t have made a louder thud than if they had, as a team, leaped from the top of the Gateway Arch, losing their last five games of the 2008 season.

And the finale Sunday against the St. Louis Cardinals was a microcosm of the way the Reds played when games counted.

The Reds, playing defense as if the baseball was a round piece of dry ice, were obliterated by the Cardinals, 11-4.

Adam Pettyjohn’s first major-league start since he nearly died from colitis in 2001 was not pretty, but a lot of it was because of little help from his friends.

Pettyjohn gave up eight runs on seven hits in two-plus innings, but defensive lapses by second baseman Danny Richar, right fielder Jay Bruce and center fielder Corey Patterson enabled the Cardinals to keep swinging when innings should have been over.

In other words, it was the way the Reds played in April, May and early-June, when they buried themselves into oblivion.

“We were playing well, then the last five games they kind of beat us up,” said manager Dusty Baker. “We ran out of gas a little bit. They gave me all they had and gave me effort. We didn’t play very well today, made some costly mistakes and Pettyjohn deserved a better fate.

Pettyjohn gave up a two-run homer in the first to Ryan Ludwick, then had two outs and nobody on in the second.

Pitcher Brad Thompson lobbed one behind first that first baseman Joey Votto and second baseman Richard converged upon — clearly Richar’s ball. But he pulled up and it dropped for a single. Four more hits and three runs followed.

“In that second inning there were a couple of balls we didn’t get to that we should have and that cost us three runs and next thing you know the gates are open,” said Baker.

Baker, though, sees better days ahead and as writers cleared his office for the last time, he smiled and said, “I’ll be talking to you after we make those blockbuster deals.”

But he was more serious after the 74-88 season in which they finished fifth, 23 1/3 games behind the first-place Cubs and 11 behind the fourth-place Cardinals.

“People are going to hear from us. And soon,” he said. “We have a great group of core players and other players around the league are telling me that we’re not that far away. I believe it. I feel the same way.

“We have a couple of things we have to add and I think the experience we had going down the stretch this year will help us next year,” Baker said.

“We have some young players who had to find out if they belong here and they did and now they have come away with the idea they can play here and play winning baseball,” he said.

Joey Votto singled, homered for the 24th time and drove in two runs, making a push, probably too late, for Rookie of the Year. His 24th homer gave him one more than Chicago Cubs rookie catcher Geovany Soto.

Unfortunately for Votto, ballots were due from baseball writers by the end of Sunday’s games and many may have missed his 11-game run down the stretch during which he hit .452 (19-42) with eight multi-hit games, five homers and 12 RBIs.

Nevertheless, Votto is ready to shut it down.

“I’m happy the season is done,” he said. “I want to see my family — my mom, my brother and my girl friend. I thought I could do what I did and I’m happy with the way I finished strong.

“I thought I made big strides defensively and I’ve become part of a team that can do something in 2009,” he added.

Of his shaky day, Pettyjohn said, “I wish I had thrown better and gone deeper into the game. I felt fine and it probably was the long layoff. But it is hard to hang your head after what my wife and I have been through and I just want to thank the Reds and Dusty Baker for giving me this chance.”

Baker, though, admits it is time to shut it down this year.

“Now the year seems long,” he said. “End of the race, end of the road. And you kind of realize where you’ve been and what you have been through.

“But the good thing is that guys see, feel and believe about where we’re going — which is up,” he said.

And with that, Baker yanked shut the zippers on a couple of travel bags, closing the 2008 season, the eighth straight losing year.

BAKER IS LOOKING forward to the offseason, a period of rest, but his itinerary sounds like anything but rest.

“First, I’m going to try to do nothing, which is very difficult for me to do,” he said. “I’m sure I have a bunch of honey-do’s around the house. When you’ve been gone since February 15, the woman of the house is ready for you.

“I have some farming to do, too,” he said. “I have to tend to my grape vines and they’ll produce grapes next year. I’ll spend some time with my dad and my son’s (Darren) various events. He had his first football game yesterday and scored a touchdown and they tied.

“I’ll take some time to go hunting and fishing, I have a couple of speaking engagements and before you know it it is December and time for the winter meetings,” he said.

As for baseball, it is never far from his mind.

“I’ll always be thinking about helping (general manager) Walt Jocketty get this team together,” he said. “Part of the job is trying to talk to free agents (to come to Cincinnati) and I’ll be on the phone quite a bit.

“What you have to do most is take the time to re-charge for next season,” he said. “You have to take the time to re-charge. You have to start the season with the tank full, not three-quarters or half-full. You don’t later want to run out of gas.”

BAKER WAS talking about all the last-season turmoil this year to determine wild card and division champions and remembers fondly a few in which he was involved.

“I remember days like this, the last day when it was decided,” he said. “We had a couple of them with the Dodgers — down to the wire. Going down to the wire? Ain’t nothin’ better than that. Going down to the wire, going neck-and-neck.”

Reds media relations director Rob Butcher is working the World Series this year, helping Major League Baseball, and Baker said, “Next year you are going to be too busy doing your own work.”

Implication? Reds in the World Series.

SOMEBODY CONGRATULATED Javier Valentin on his pinch-hit home run Friday, the sixth pinch-hit home run of his career.

And he said, “I have to do something. I’m a free agent. I have to feed my kids.”

The Reds have nine possible free agents — pitcher Jeremy Affeldt, catcher Paul Bako, pitcher Josh Fogg, infielder/outfielder Jerry Hairston, Jr., pitcher Mike Lincoln, pitcher Kent Mercker outfielder Corey Patterson, Valentin and pitcher David Weathers.

It is likely the Reds will try to re-sign Affeldt, Hairston and Lincoln. Mercker plans to retire and Weathers said he plans to test the market.

“I’ve never had that many free agents on one team,” said manager Dusty Baker, “and when we started the season we had three more (Scott Hatteberg, Ken Griffey Jr., Adam Dunn).”

FIVE PLAYERS on the Reds roster are eligible for salary arbitration — third baseman Edwin Encarnacion, pitcher Matt Belisle, infielder/outfielder Jolbert Cabrera, pitcher Gary Majewski and infielder Andy Phillips.

For sure, the club will offer a contract to Encarnacion, but the rest are dubious — 50/50 at best.

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By timb

October 2, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

Stacked enough to be 3rd in the NL in BA, 3rd in runs scored, and 2nd in OBP. The pitching was only 2nd to Atlanta, and allowed the least amount of HRs in the league. And, Dusty had nothing to do with that production?

By Y-City Jim

October 2, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Steve, he’s the Latin Love Machine. He has a lot of kids! :D

By mike cahill

October 2, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

I think that if the Reds don’t sign Encarnacion next year, there’s a good chance they’ll win less than 100 games. Matt Belisle in arbitration? I’d buy a ticket for that.

By Steve

October 2, 2008 12:02 PM | Link to this

“I have to do something. I’m a free agent. I have to feed my kids.” - Javier Valentin This is a load of crap. This guy has made over $4 million in his career… a little over half of that coming in the past 2 seasons. What is he feeding his kids?? Filet mignon? Moon rocks??

By Y-City Jim

October 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Link to this

Stacked enough to be 3rd in the NL in BA, 3rd in runs scored, and 2nd in OBP. The pitching was only 2nd to Atlanta, and allowed the least amount of HRs in the league.

By timb

October 1, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Y-City Jim, I was slightly exaggerating for effect. Kent IS and was a great hitter. Still, it’s not like that line-up was stacked and certainly when you count on the great Kirk Reuter for anything (a run faster than his fastball and I am not a fast runner), you are counting on…well, any contribution he made in his prime was a surprise. Seriously, how did he get people out? That dude had no stuff. he and the several million dollars he made playing baseball are testament to being left-handed and never, ever walking anyone. All I was saying was that team was not stacked.

By Y-City Jim

October 1, 2008 6:53 AM | Link to this

Great throw by Junior!

By Matt

September 30, 2008 10:17 PM | Link to this

I am the bearer of great news this evening. Ken Griffey Jr. is in the playoffs!! Griffey and the White Sox defeated the Twins tonight 1-0 to advance onto the ALDS, and face the Tampa Bay Rays. Go get ‘em Junior.

By Y-City Jim

September 30, 2008 8:10 PM | Link to this

The minute Hal McRae is free from the Cardinals the Reds need to get that guy in the fold. What he did with Ryan Ludwick and Felipe Lopez is nothing short of miraculous.

By Gary Maloy Jr.

September 30, 2008 5:49 PM | Link to this

REINCARNATION, David V.? I really hope you didn’t mean that - I hadn’t heard that my childhood hero (Bench) had passed away, hehe. Regardless of how Jocketty finds righthanded power hitters, be it through reincarnation, cloning, trading or signing free agents, I assume he’s reading the blogs for good ideas ;-)

By Y-City Jim

September 30, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

timb, that 2002 SF team had quite a bit more than just Bonds and Schmidt. The offense had pretty good support from Kent, Santiago, Sanders, and Bell. The pitching had Rueter and Ortiz along with a very good bullpen. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SFG/2002.shtml

By HuberTucky

September 30, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

David V. — Your mention of Eric Davis makes me wonder…the Reds seemed to respond very well to his presence in the dugout toward the end of the season. And he’s ready and willing and available to join this team in about any capaicty (as we are informed). So why not hire ED as hitting coach and add a great positive attitude? I mean, looking at the Reds offensive stats for 2008, why on earth retain Jacoby?

By David V.

September 30, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

I wonder if Walt has a crazy brother who happens to be scientist…then he could reincarnate Eric Davis…one outfielder, RH bat, 50-50 kid for 5-7 years…then all we’d need is an every day catcher…hmm reincarnating Johnny Bench too…that would be way too cool..sorry guys (and gals)-I’m just wishful thinking these days…and wondering why our scouting guys can’t find the diamonds in the rough everyone else has the past 5 years or so.

By Diamond Dave

September 30, 2008 11:11 AM | Link to this

Hal, just a note to thank you so much for providing this blog. I know it gave you a few headaches along the way, but I enjoyed this season a lot more with your entries. I enjoyed the stories from the clubhouse and your sharing of memories. I also enjoy that you’ve never lost that fan’s love of the game. You are a treasure to all of us and I look forward to reading you again next year!

By timb

September 30, 2008 10:43 AM | Link to this

Jeez, this stuff gets old. Yes, Dusty failed to win anything (besides a division title) with the Cubs. Yes, he likes Corey Patterson and Paul Bako too much. Yes,he should have visited the mound and calmed an obviously insane Mark Prior prior to Alex Gonzales’s error in Game 6 of 2003 NLCS, and, yes, emphatically, he is not the best in-game manager in baseball. BUT, he wins. Save for his last season with the Cubs (after Wood and Prior got hurt), the man has managed well. For God’s sake, his 1993 Giant team won 107 games! He took the Giants to the World Series with nothing but Barry Bonds and Jason Schmidt. Joe Torre was a below .500 manager before the Yankees, as was Casey Stengal. In three seasons prior to the Reds, Lou Pinella was a bust who “couldn’t handle a pitching staff.” Look, eventually, Dusty will be be fired, almost every manager is, but what do you say we give him one more season with some actual players and see how he does….or, we can continue to rail and complain all winter long to no real purpose, since he was Bob’s choice and ain’t going anywhere yet. And, if complaining for no reason gives y’all jollies, then go ahead and do it, but this isn’t Adam Dunn, you can’t run Dusty out of town.

By Tom

September 30, 2008 9:46 AM | Link to this

Hal do you think it is possible Dusty could not get involved in making recommendations. I fast forward to next July/August and the Reds are out of it again and Dusty takes none of the blame yet he gets fired and Rick Sweet takes over in midseason and we begin another rebuilding project. One of the reasons Dusty got fired was he recommended Moist (Moises) Alou to be his right handed power hitter as the Mets did not resign him. Dusty said the reason he failed was Corey was not batting in front of him like he did for the Cubs. Fire him now and save us from the phone calls to to possible free agents. We do not need any of more of Dusty’s boys.

By StuttgartTim

September 30, 2008 7:30 AM | Link to this

Thanks for a great season Hal! More games than I care to remember, your post was the only highlight.

By Y-City Jim

September 29, 2008 9:59 PM | Link to this

Interesting observations from Mark Sheldon: http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200809293571311&c_id=cin

By timb

September 29, 2008 5:51 PM | Link to this

Crosley, I am VERY aware about Rocco’s injury history. In fact, that exact history is why I think the Reds can sign him. As for Rivera, he slugged .440 this season and murders lefties and a Dickerson/Rivera platoon should be reasonably productive. In the end, I would rather the Reds sign Mark Texiera, CC Sabithia, Hank Blalock, and Manny Ramierez, but these are the Reds and must conform to some sort of budget. How about bringing Adam back. I would love that

By nick w

September 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Link to this

thanks hal for a great year. This was my first year reading and commenting on your blogs and i really enjoyed it and looking forward to next year and doing it again. It has been a very intersting season and i hope the reds can do something in the offseason to make this team good cus we do have some money. So 2008 ends in another losing season and and lets hope that 2009 can finally bring us a winning season!!

By ross

September 29, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

mike-cinci..I agree with you 100%..if this team is going to compete they need a RH hitter who can crank and a solid catcher..2 OF and a catcher..keep the bullpen strong and hope Arroyo can pitch when it matters he seems to pitch well when the Reds are 25 out..I hope they keep Javy the guy can flat out hit and I think he needs a couple of starts a week

By Mike-Cinci

September 29, 2008 2:50 PM | Link to this

Good job, Hal! The Reds will keep EE. You can’t give up a 25 year old third baseman who hits 25 HR’s. The team needs to improve its catching, find 2 outfielders with one being right hand hitting who can drive in runs, and they need to maintain a good bullpen. The Central Division has become tougher. Other will try to improve also and they will. Long term the Reds must improve scouting and player development if they want to become competitive. It will take additional faith and patience from the fans and smart work by the team.

By tom

September 29, 2008 1:30 PM | Link to this

Thanks Hal. Baseball is THE game. Should be an interesting offseason. We can all look foreard to the spring.

By crosley

September 29, 2008 1:24 PM | Link to this

Timb—- Actually, David Ross finished the season in the majors with the Red Sox. Baldelli would not be a good sign due to his very iffy medical condition. Rivera is a very marginal player. I believe that Eric Byrnes will be available for trade from the D-Backs and he would add some much needed enthusism to the Reds. The question on acquiring any decent player through trade is whether the Reds have anything to offer. Some of their prospects such as Valaika, Frazier, Janish or Francisco would probably have to be sacrificed to get anybody really worthwhile. Bailey would probably bring someone else’s top prospect who hasn’t panned out such as Saltalamacchia.

By timb

September 29, 2008 1:00 PM | Link to this

I took a break from doing homework to perform a ritual common to me, i.e. watch the last Reds game of the season just for the sake of watching them one last time. Fittingly, I was neck deep in a ungodly boring Power Point presentation before I remember the game started two hours ago! So, I got to watch the top of the ninth and who led off, but the great CP. I will miss Patterson for his defense and his intelligence, but I am so glad he’s gone (although I would not be crushed if they brought him back as a 5th OF, as long as they paid him the MLB minimum…he really can run and play defense). Nonetheless, for the first time in a long time, I trust the GM, I see pitching (although Cueto and Volquez will be hard-pressed to match this season’s numbers), I see some offense (an power hitting right-handed first baseman of OF is vital), and I like my manager. Dusty is what Dusty is, a players’ manager whose in game tactics are quite suspect. With that said, in-game tactics are all we see, but I think about 25% of what makes a good manager (see Joe Torre for an example of bad tactics but good manager and Bobby Valentine for the reverse). Dusty is good at keeping the team together. Let’s hope he has some more talent to work with in 2009 (hint: sign Rocco Baldelli and Juan Rivera, improve the bullpen, sign EE to a long term deal before he breaks out, etc). Farewell, 2008 Reds and thanks Hal for the stories.

By timb

September 29, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

I love the blog too. To Barb White, David signed with the Red Sox and finished the season in the minors.

By bobs

September 29, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

Lets see, Season in Review, very bad team with only a few guys that you can build with. Walt start trading away most of this roster and see what you can get. Start with Homer, Freel/Hopper, EE. They will not bring back much, but perhaps some pieces. None of our free agents really excite me, I like Javy, but would be very suprised if he comes back. He is nearing the end and needs to be a pinch hitter for a good team. Clean house Walt and find a right handed bat that plays third or left field.

By BARB WHITE

September 29, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

I AM A FAITHFUL FAN OF THE REDS AND I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO DAVID ROSS. HOPEFULLY WITH OUR YOUNG PLAYERS, NEXT YEAR WILL BE GREAT. I WILL BE WATCHING. THANK YOU, BARB WHITE

By somethingbetter

September 29, 2008 9:07 AM | Link to this

Loved the blog Hal. I hope you continue it next season. I just wonder if this September was “real” or they just got hot like all teams do for a period of time. I am cautiously optimistic about their pitching depth. I can’t wait to see the RH bat Jocketty finds. Hopefully next year they are a .500 club and 2010 they are ready for post-season. Good to see two teams out of the Central. no one would have guessed that at the beginning of the season.

By bclion

September 29, 2008 9:04 AM | Link to this

Hal, Have a great offseason. I hope that you get to write about the great additions that Walt brings into the Reds fold. I’m not sure what he will do, but history suggests that he will make some moves that make us competitive and I believe that Reds fans are good with that. If we compete and knock on the door enough, we will eventually win big. The 1990 team knocked for about 4 years before finally getting the pieces together to make a run. It will be a very interesting offseason. I don’t want three catchers in 2009, rid ourselves of the the number of jack-of-all trades kind of guys, there are too many of them. We have Freel, Cabrera, Hairston, Cedeno etc. I know that they give flexibility, but they are the same player really. Can we afford 4 or 5 of those guys on a 25 man roster? I really think the Reds are on the cusp of something, willing owner and capable GM makes me think that way.

By bclion

September 29, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Hal, Have a great offseason. I hope that you get to write about the great additions that Walt brings into the Reds fold. I’m not sure what he will do, but history suggests that he will make some moves that make us competitive and I believe that Reds fans are good with that. If we compete and knock on the door enough, we will eventually win big. The 1990 team knocked for about 4 years before finally getting the pieces together to make a run. It will be a very interesting offseason. I don’t want three catchers in 2009, rid ourselves of the the number of jack-of-all trades kind of guys, there are too many of them. We have Freel, Cabrera, Hairston, Cedeno etc. I know that they give flexibility, but they are the same player really. Can we afford 4 or 5 of those guys on a 25 man roster? I really think the Reds are on the cusp of something, willing owner and capable GM makes me think that way.

By bclion

September 29, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

Hal, Have a great offseason. I hope that you get to write about the great additions that Walt brings into the Reds fold. I’m not sure what he will do, but history suggests that he will make some moves that make us competitive and I believe that Reds fans are good with that. If we compete and knock on the door enough, we will eventually win big. The 1990 team knocked for about 4 years before finally getting the pieces together to make a run. It will be a very interesting offseason. I don’t want three catchers in 2009, rid ourselves of the the number of jack-of-all trades kind of guys, there are too many of them. We have Freel, Cabrera, Hairston, Cedeno etc. I know that they give flexibility, but they are the same player really. Can we afford 4 or 5 of those guys on a 25 man roster? I really think the Reds are on the cusp of something, willing owner and capable GM makes me think that way.

By osurickbee

September 29, 2008 8:38 AM | Link to this

Thanks for everything, Mr. McCoy!

By Pete

September 29, 2008 7:22 AM | Link to this

The following need to go away (in this order): PATTERSON! MAJEWSKI, BAKO, VALENTIN & EDWIN. Valentin’s not as great as everyone cracks him up to be, & if he’s so worried about feedin’ his kids, I’ll gladly trade my salary for his. Other tidbits: The Reds won’t get Holliday, Martinez, Rios or anyone else of that caliber. Affeldt’s not a starter, period. Homer Bailey’s on a very short leash next year — he needs to either grow up, put up & shut up, or the Reds need to get rid of him. Same w/ Belisle — he’s still repeating the same bonehead pitches after several years of up & down coffee breaks. Harang needs to really be scoped out for an injury. He just appears to be compensating for something that’s hurting him. We can only hope that Arroyo’s 2nd half can carry over & some sort of consistency takes place because his only consistency since he’s been here is hot, then cold, then lukewarm, rinse & repeat.

By crosley

September 29, 2008 3:31 AM | Link to this

Dickerson might be in LF but I think the CF of the near future is Drew Stubbs. The Reds should re-sign Affeldt and give him a real chance to start—they need a lefty starter bad. They should entertain this deal—Homer Bailey for Jarrod Saltalamacchia.

By Y-City Jim

September 28, 2008 11:47 PM | Link to this

If Dickerson is in CF.

By Wizard

September 28, 2008 10:16 PM | Link to this

Ain’t no doubt at all, for objective observers, that our outfield’s defense improved greatly after Lumbering Adam and loafing Griffey left the scene—and with Dickerson in center it will only get better next year!

By bigdoc

September 28, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Hal, for the informative posts all year long. A splendid off season to all. Let’s hope that ‘right-handed power bat’ emerges from some magical place!

By jim m.

September 28, 2008 8:43 PM | Link to this

I am looking forward to next yer and there better not be C.Patterson on the Reds.. He was over payed and a lousy hitter..And to me a Cancer because when the rest of the team saw him in the lineup early in the season, they saw 4 automatic outs as well!! I hope the Reds can do a big trade to get Matt Holiday or a Alexios Rios to bat 4th and move Brandon to the 2nd spot in the lineup!! Heck Cleveland is rumored to trade Victor Martinez.. love to see Victor and Matt in our lineup!!! Plus if the Reds can have success next year, maybe those Bengal fans will enjoy spending money on Reds tickets than wasting all that money on Mike Browns so-called team and he looses some money..and BOB sees attendance go up with Winning!!

By Y-City Jim

September 28, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

So much for the defense being better once Junior and Dunn were gone but, hey, the whole coaching staff is back! Thompson holds some promise from that trade but that trade was pretty much a wash. Kearns and Lopez never had a chance playing with that pitiful excuse of a baseball organization in D.C. I hope Kearns can get out. Look what Lopez has done since escaping.

By Matt

September 28, 2008 8:29 PM | Link to this

The only player involved in that ‘06 trade that really has performed for the Reds is Bill Bray. Clearly the Reds did not get the better end of that deal, but it isn’t as though the Nationals struck gold either. I definitely hope that the Reds cut ties with Majewski ASAP now that this ‘08 season is over. He is horrible, and what a terrible start for Adam Pettyjohn’s big league career. Wow.

By HuberTucky

September 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Link to this

A fitting end to a most frustrating losing season… a 5 game losing streak, swept by the Cards, and another terrible performance by Gary Majewski, another guy we’ve hopefully seen the last of in a Reds uni. The only free agents on this roster I’d sign would be Hairston for sure and maybe Valentin.

By Gary Maloy Jr.

September 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Link to this

At risk of sounding both superfluous and overly confident, I’ll say it once again - I’m really looking forward to next year. I really do believe the youngins will be putting it together. Hal - thanks for a great season. If it weren’t for your entertaining blog, I don’t know what I’d do over here. See you all in the spring, folks!
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