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By BrarHopper

July 21, 2009 1:12 AM | Link to this

I am not feeling any confidence for this team at all. Last year around this time, Jockety dumped LOTS of salary by 86ing Griffey & Dunn. For what? What did they spend THAT savings on? Willy T? Gomes? Nix? If they dump salary again, they won’t spend it wisely (they’ll probably spend it on some PR hack to write another “Dear-Fans-We-Care-SOOOO-Much” letter. This teams ownership and management are pure bull. What a con they’re running.

By GreatRedLegFan

July 17, 2009 10:51 AM | Link to this

With everybody back from DL (but Bruce) and nobody traded in, this should be the line-up: (RH Pitcher) Dickerson CF, Hairston LF, Votto 1B, Philips 2B, Nix RF, Encarnacion 3B, Hernandez/Hanigan C, Gonzalez SS. (LH Pitcher) Hairston LF, Dickerson CF, Philips 2B, Votto 1B, Gomes RF, Encarnacion 3B, Hernandez/Hanigan C, Gonzalez SS. Thinking into 2010 it looks like Reds still have too many holes, at least a RH/OF power hitter and a decent SS. The starting rotation is struggling, I’d need an upgrade. The technical staff needs to be evaluated, including the skipper.

By Wizard

July 16, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this

Wow! It just can’t be said any better than this; so I won’t say anymore-I’ll just watch the House Of Dimwits BURN! Excellent post, Mark!Sayonara! “Do we trust the person who thought McDonald was the man this spring? Who thinks Taveras is better than Dickerson? That Hairston is a major league SS? My faith in his judgement of talent is very low.”

By Mark in Sun Valley

July 16, 2009 8:51 PM | Link to this

So after a 3 day rest, we still apparently need 13 pitchers. And now with Dickerson’s back, we get to play with a bench of 3, one of whom Dusty won’t use unless someone is on fire (Janish). This organization has been slow to pull the trigger on anything and I now think the stupid runs from the front office all the way down to the dugout and back. By the way, Dusty says he does not think Stubbs or Heisey are ready. Do we trust the person who thought McDonald was the man this spring? Who thinks Taveras is better than Dickerson? That Hairston is a major league SS? My faith in his judgement of talent is very low.

By Kyle

July 15, 2009 5:32 PM | Link to this

MAC, all teams have a future. You just don’t need shades for this team’s future. Just another sad year for Reds’ fans. The only difference is that they kept us entertained until the All-Star Break. But, really, we all know it’s over.

By MisterRedLegs

July 14, 2009 8:46 PM | Link to this

The Reds better get on the old ball and make something happen now. They can be buyers and sellers at the same time. An empty stadium is the only thing I will be reporting on.

By MAC

July 14, 2009 7:15 PM | Link to this

I think that’s the right idea RC. I think the Reds have to be a little more aggressive than that, because they don’t seem to have a ML type SS or 3B or more importantly, a dynamic Lead-off type hitter that can “create” some offense in the pipe line? More importantly, I’m concerned that the quality young pitching is going to be used up (injuried) LONG before our position players R upgraded or ready. If that’s the case, it still leaves the organization lacking & no more ready to compete next year than they were this season. With the exception of 3B, (EE is showing positive signs of late) & the OF, I think this team is ready to win now, but they need a solid BAT added to the mix YESTERDAY.

By RC

July 14, 2009 5:24 PM | Link to this

The thing is, I really think this team could have a future. We currently have something we haven’t had in recent memory - good, young pitching. THAT can turn you into a contender in a hurry. Folks have named a handful of Reds minor leaguers who might or might not make it. Reality says that if ONE of them becomes a major league contributor, you’re pretty lucky. Two would be miraculous. Zero is entirely possible. But that doen’t mean you throw them away, either. I think we need to take a close look at last year’s Rays team - good young pitching, years of high draft choices, plus a few decent journeyman vets, finally paid off last year. We need more than a “handful” of solid prospects. We need a boatload. I’m not eager to get rid of Cordero or Harang, or even Weathers for that matter. But if someone else’s desperation can be used to pry top prospects away from them… hey. I just don’t want to see huge money tied up in one or two contracts. That can’t end well for us.

By Bob Howsam, Jr.

July 14, 2009 3:32 PM | Link to this

The hole in RF can be filled easily and quickly by trading Nick Masset or Arthur Rhodes and prospects (e.g. Heisley or Stubbs) to the Twinkies for Michael Cuddyer, Denard Span or Delmon Young. Cuddyer and Span would require the best prospects. Young would come a little cheaper. All three are solid major league OFs who run well. Cuddyer reminds me of Dwight Evans. Rocket arm, great power. Span is more a spray hitter and isn’t quite as good of a fielder. Young has excellent power but has only average speed and an average arm. All three would be an instant upgrade over the Reds’ deplorable OFs, and the Twins are desperate for quality relievers. I’d throw in Weathers on principle (i.e., anyone who believes it makes sense to pitch to Pujols with the bases loaded doesn’t have a high enough baseball IQ to be in the majors).

By Jack

July 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Link to this

This is the time for Jocketty to shine, but will he? Shed some payroll to allow spending flexibility next year. Some people will be upset by being “sellers,” but Jocketty can certainly spin it if he trades wisely. Trade Harang/Arroyo for talent that will help us win next year. Dont trade for single A prospects. Trade talent for talent. Easier said then done, but I think fans will buy into the fact that you are selling off high end salaries for a chance to compete next year. Of course, Liar Bob has already fed the fans this line, but if it comes from Jocketty, it might hold more weight. Would love to have 11-14 million (plus a high prospect) to spend next year.

By MAC

July 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Link to this

Most everyone has herd of AA players Frazier and Heisey; both have had very good 1st 1/2s, BUT both R LFs or DH types in the ML IMO. Heisey is 6’ & 205lbs…good speed…but limited Def…dittos w/ Frazier IMHO. Frazier is taller/thiner & has played some 1st & 3rd in AA, but by in large he’s been in LF…the weakest OF position. Frazier can hit; he has great quick hands,but I think he’d be best in the AL as a DH & an occasional OF/1st type player. Juan Francisco drew a lot of pub during the winter leagues & their playoffs, BUT he’s heavy…(out of ML shape) heavy IMO. He also displays a too laid back..non caring attitude IMO. By in large, he’s performance this season has been AVGERAGE! Of course, nothing says one or more of these guys can’t prove me totally wrong; I’d love to see it! IMO, Frazier has the best chance to stick.

By MAC

July 14, 2009 1:14 PM | Link to this

Dittos on last post; how long do U wait…until Harang & Bronson R gone & Cueto and Volquez R injuried from throwing +200 innings of tough luck losing BB? Look @ Travis Wood in AA. He’s doing extremely well; he’s 8-2 w/ a 1.29 era, BUT he’s 5’11” & 165lbs & tops out @ 89-90mph. Looks & pitches very much like Moyer or Glavin which I’d take for Reds…BUT can he maintain that style to the ML & be successful??? My guess is, he’ll move up soon & we’ll see what he can do @ AAA. In a word, he’s a “GOOD” prospect, BUT (if U catch my drift?)

By Roho Radio

July 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Link to this

RC, I understand your logic. Unfortunately, we as Reds fans have this same discussion every year. The posts from last year’s All Star Break probably say the same thing (at least from what I remember…and no, I’m not going to look at the archives). Destroy the future? What future is that? Haven’t felt a future for this team in a decade. I’m up for anything in trades right now just to break the monotony (sigh).

By MAC

July 14, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this

Good pts on trades & no trades. Like anything, (standing pat), there R always risks; Walt has to be smart! Also, I didn’t say the Reds didn’t have any good prospects; they have a number of solid looking guys, but I certainly don’t see a 5 tool player! For example, Reds have a number of SS prospects who look GOOD, BUT I don’t think any of them R much better than Kepp was in the field and none R close th him AB. Richar and Sutton have the speed U’d like in the middle, but they don’t hit their weight. Richar was coming on nicely; it was a shame he was injuried.

By Mike-Cinci

July 14, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this

RC, don’t feel bad. Dye would help the Reds offense but I believe they would have had to give up quite a bit to get him…Volquez, Bailey +/or prospects or Cueto, Bailey +/or prospecst. The Sox were not going to give Dye away and since he was offered to every team in baseball they obviously did not get an offer that met their needs. Sometimes the best trades are ones you don’t make. Then again….

By RC

July 14, 2009 11:01 AM | Link to this

Oh, but a trade -can- destroy the future. Not just by losing good prospects, but especially for non-major market teams like us. Signing one or two big names to long, juicy contracts means you can’t afford to put anybody beside them. So your AAA guys better step up. And your shiny new stars better perform and not get hurt. It’s a huge gamble, and just like in Vegas, the house usually wins (See Arod Vs. Texas, KG Jr vs. Cincy). Of course, on the other hand… I look at Jermaine Dye’s numbers, and the number of close games we’ve played in the 1st half… hmmm… (Truth in advertising - I was against the Dye trade at the time. What a maroon.)

By Steven Ross

July 14, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

Interesting. I read nearly all the previous posts and many of you make excellent points. Moral of the story: we don’t have enough talent to compete. Can’t argue. Personally, I think Jocketty needs to put his stamp on many things including a new 3B and Manager. It’s time.

By Mike-Cinci

July 14, 2009 10:11 AM | Link to this

MAC, you may be right and the Reds have zero good prospects in the minors. I trust your evaluation. This is sad if accurate. If true other teams won’t give the Reds anything for them. All that is left to trade are either good vets or the young guys on the major league roster…ie. Harang, Cordero, Votto, Phillips, Bailey, Cueto, Volquez. You have give something to get something. Other teams don’t want the same junk the Reds don’t want. Just like the Reds they want good players in return. The Reds could get an over paid, close to washed up veteran that some other team wants to unload but why would the Reds want such a player? This current Reds team can’t compete for the playoffs. They have far too many holes. Based on your evaluation of the talent in the minors I’m even more worried about the future.

By MAC

July 14, 2009 1:48 AM | Link to this

All or nothing; I don’t understand that reasoning? Whether the Reds fold this year or not, this team needs SOME help now & for next season and I don’t think it’s going to come from within! We have no ML ready OFs, SS or 3B & we still need more pitching! I’ve seen the AA team 3 times & the AAA team twice this yr & I just don’t see the 5 tool player everyone else does. Both teams have some nice pieces (I like Frazier a lot) but no real studs IMO. I’ve played, coached and umpired @ a HS, college & Minor League level, which doesn’t make me an expert, but I just don’t see what everyone else is hoping for! A trade is not going to distroy the future!!

By Mike-Cinci

July 13, 2009 10:37 PM | Link to this

Craig, I agree Halladay and Rolen are good players. They haven’t help Toronto win anything and they cost $11 million each. Halladay will be a free agent after next year and be on his way to a big market. Rolen is old and hurt half the time. Reds can’t afford them. The Reds are dead in the water this year. Giving away the future for a long shot chance this year is goofy. Keep the young prospects unless some other team gives better young prospects.

By GreatRedLegFan

July 13, 2009 8:34 PM | Link to this

Aaron, I’d love to see EE away, but I don’t expect miracles!!! Much agreed with your comment.

By craig

July 13, 2009 5:10 PM | Link to this

mike-cincy u said maybe stubbs maybe heisey might be players, there is no maybe or might be with halliday and rolen they r proven players, besides alonso maybe a bust, remember brandon larson, pokey reese, scott williamson, jack armstrong all had lots of potential all busts bruce could go either way also, counting on young guys is risky and basically a crapshoot, ill take my chances with proven players besides how big a gamble is it we havent had a winning year in last 8 or 9 years. win now worry about future in future.

By Mike-Cinci

July 13, 2009 4:52 PM | Link to this

Aaron makes excellent points. After Votto and Phillips the Reds do not have much position player talent. This is a big problem. Toronto is not going to give Halladay, Rolen, and Wells away for Reds players we don’t want. Why would they want them? They might take Alonso for Rolen. They trade away an aging player with an $11 million annual salary for potential. Smart move by Toronto if the Reds fall for it. That will give the Reds 4 players over 32 making $11-$12 million per year. Talk about nuts. Who knows if the young guys like Heisey or Stubbs are any good? Stubbs has no power but good defense. Heisey may be the sleeper in the bunch. He gets over looked because he was a 17th round draft pick. Votto has proven better than expected; Bruce worse than expected. Maybe Frazier is the real deal.

By craig

July 13, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this

hal, why is it that trading for rolen and roy halliday and giving them alonso, stewert, dickerson, reonicke or whatever it takes is bad, it would get reds to playoffs in my opinion, besides all guys i named might never amount to anything, much like brandon larson, pokey reese, scott williamson etc…

By Aaron

July 13, 2009 4:27 PM | Link to this

GreatRedLegFan, While yes I agree that more was expected of this team, I think what you are looking for next year will by far be a worse product than this year. You have no veteran leadership on your team at all. You need to have Harang or another solid veteran starter. You will also need a veteran or two to play the field. Nix/Gomes does not will not ever be everyday players. Dickerson is an adequate fill-in, but not a long term solution, he is a 4th outfielder on a team with many of them. You need solid professionals on this team. You need a veteran, proven bat in LF and SS and for goodness sake can we trade EE and move on! If they do this then we can contend, but as long as we are putting retreads and never was’ out there we will always be looking up in the standings. Bottom line is if you want to win get proven winners!!!

By Scott

July 13, 2009 3:11 PM | Link to this

I agree that this season is probably a wash, and the Reds should finish it out. Wouldn’t they at least get 1 draft pick for each free agent that signs with another team in the offseason, or should they trade away vets that don’t fit into next year? This means 2010-2011 will be a rebuilding period…again.

By GreatRedLegFan

July 13, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this

I think the management tried to improve the team’s performance for this season means the signing of free agents Taveras and Rhodes, the re-signings of Lincoln, Weathers and Hairston and the trade for Hernandez. Nobody expected the injuries of Votto, Volquez, Encarnacion and Gonzalez and the poor performance of Taveras. Furthermore, everybody (including myself) was expecting an outstanding year from Bruce, Volquez, Cueto and Harang and a full recovery from Gonzalez. Well, nothing of this has happened so far. Perhaps the only acceptable facts are Votto, Philips and the bullpen performances (but Weathers and Lincoln). I’d bet for 2010 counting on full recoveries from Encarnacion and Bruce and the farewells to Arroyo, Harang, Taveras, Hernandez, Gonzalez, Weathers and Lincoln ($45MM in salaries!!!). The starting rotation can be Volquez, Cueto, Bailey and two more from Owings, Lehr, Maloney or Stewart. The bullpen Rhodes, Herrera, Fisher, Masset, Cordero and two more from Burton, Roenicke or Manuel. Position players Hanigan C, Votto 1B, Philips 2B, TBA SS, Encarnacion 3B, Nix/Gomes LF, Dickerson CF and Bruce RF. There is also the possibility to have Heisey and/or Stubbs. Hairston and Rosales can provide depth from the bench. Not sure if there is a ML ready SS for the next season within the organization (Janish, Sutton, Valaika or Cozart). Reds should focus in this position and also evaluate the technical staff. GO REDS!!!

By Scott

July 13, 2009 12:04 PM | Link to this

Let’s hope he takes the full 8 weeks. How many times have we seen a player rushed back from injury only to not be fully healed (or ready to play)? If that 8 weeks does not include a minor league rehab assignment then he may be done for the season.