By HardTruth

September 2, 2008 5:47 PM | Link to this

Please check out the story on “Palin’s daughter’s father revealed”. Find out about this young boy and then tell me if you would let your 17 year old daughter marry him.

By HardTrugh

September 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

Thanks keyz, i am enjoying your comments. I don’t agree with them (smile), but i love a clean debate. And for the record, I am a working mother and have passed on a few promotions that would have forced me to travel and be away from my children. And guess what, God blessed me even more because He knew that for ME, missing games and recitals was not an option. I am sure you all LOVE palin now. You would have loved anyone he chose because for some reason people who label themselves under a certain party willingly drink the kool-aid. You KNOW she was not the best choice—actually before the vp announcement only 2% of republicans wanted her. 38% wanted Romney. I am just offended that he went with the “token” young,pretty woman in hopes of swaying us soccer moms. And yes, I said it—-token, token, token. (i know i just set myself up for all kinds of ridicule now, but i am a big girl and i can take it) enjoy! God bless American and I love you all (smile)

By keyz

September 2, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

HardTruth, My REAL truth is I would have the same comments if this were one of Obama’s daughters. I’m not sorry to have to say this, but this is an era in which all families must make difficult decisions. And I am not so certain that Sarah Palin is making this decision just for her personal fame and fortune. From what I have read, she is a capable and decisive executive manager. How she handles this situation is going to tell us her true character. I’m so very happy as well to infer I was an awful mother to have had an active business life while my children were growing. Unfortunately, I have known stay at home moms who “overparented” their children, only to see these same “overparented” children rebel and turn to drugs, gangs, etc. No one, and I mean NO ONE is immune to an errant child. Palin may very well be setting a higher bar for her children than you portray her to be. Sarah Palin, like her opponents Obama and Biden, are all well-educated and well-to-do. Being well-educated and wealthy and successful does not make one a bad parent. (And I am not so certain Palin’s family can be considered nearly as wealthy as even McCain’s OR Obama’s.) Let’s see…Obama’s mama was 18 and pregnant. Obama had youthful involvement in drugs. Do we know where his parents are? Umm…hmmm…. At least we KNOW this young woman, Braden Palin, has parents who DO care about her, has an extended family, and is supporting her. I believe Obama’s father abandoned him. So…shall we continue your disagreement? :) Oh, and for your info…I was also an 18 year old unmarried female pregnant and then married. I successfully went to college, had a long-term marriage (ended after 24 years…honest disclosure), and have a successful business career. No one looked at me as a pathetic young person, just someone who made a decision. My kids were raised well, had a wonderful family, made some mistakes, went to college, and are successfully on their own. Oftentimes, it’s a matter of the views we individually hold. I don’t look at any child as a mistake. Neither did my parents. Oh and the Spears family…that’s another whole problem altogether. It’s called sensationalist journalism for a public devoted to insipid stories instead of really learning what is important in this country…economics, politics, learning to have responsible and stable families and relationships…I find it offensive you read my mind and offhandedly decided I was out there offending some pop star diva?!

By Mildred

September 2, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

The question is not about this young lady being a good mother, or that she is pregnant, it’s about the judgement of John McCain’s ability and his lack of judgement and his competency. He said that he knew that Palin’s daughter was with child but I will lay odds that he did not and that’s why they(republicans) are running about now trying to put out this fire. This just shows that Palin has too much on her plate and she needs to be at home raising her children and should have been there for her daughter before she got pregnant. she should have had that mother and daughter talk before she made the decission to have a baby before graduating from high school. I just find it odd that she would not have told McCain this bit of information before hand rather than to have it plastered all over the news media like this. I wonder what would have happened if chelsea Clinton got pregnant before finishing high school or going off to college? Where are the Clinton supports and why are they not speaking up? Yes, the old saying is true; everything that looks good is not good for you. Tell those Mavericks to go home and take care of the business at hand. We are sick and tired of the gimmicks from George Buch and John McCain…

By HardTruth

September 2, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

apethetic, the conservatives made morals a political issue a long time ago—-now it has backfired and they are trying to change their tune……

By apethetic

September 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Palin’s daughter is pregnant??? So??? In the US 1 million teens a year become pregnant. So what does this prove? She is one of us. She is in the same boat as 999,999 other teenagers. No political issue here. I would venture to say that 70% of you, or more, were “getting busy” at her age. You were just lucky the condom didn’t break.

By apethetic

September 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Link to this

Palin’s daughter is pregnant??? So??? In the US 1 million teens a year become pregnant. So what does this prove? She is one of us. She is in the same boat as 999,999 other teenagers. No political issue here. I would venture to say that 70% of you, or more, were having intercourse at her age. You were just lucky your condom didn’t break.

By Squirrelly

September 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

TO: AthiestRepublican, have rubbers and soft porn shown at schools helped the situation, really? Obviously, it is not the solution, which means there may be another solution out there…let’s see, could it be…God? Why not try reading all of the books of the Bible and then come back and put down your comments. Try speaking from knowledge instead of just opinions.

By Ramp_Guy

September 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

No….. Windsor Locks…

By HardTruth

September 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Link to this

Jim 5 and keyz, thanks so much for this back and forth. (i love this country) However you have me All wrong—-How is it overparenting if you are encouraging your 17 year old child to become someone’s wife? When her father walks her down the aisle and “gives her away” she no longer belongs to her parents. Even the Bible teaches us that. So instead of Palin being the mother to a teen-age mother she will just be the “proud grandmother” with a respectable son-in law. Yeah, that reads better in the headlines. Trust me, I am NOT saying that girl should have had an abortion. I deal with at-risk teens on a regular basis and I LOVE them!! It just seems that there is such a double-standard now that this “priveledged” Republican teen-ager is pregnant. When young girls from the East or West sides of Dayton get pregnant you all shake your heads in shame and don’t want your teens to be around them. Now we are all saying that “teens make mistakes”. Of course they do. And for the record, I started mentoring an 18 year old pregnant girl a few years ago. I encouraged her to stay in college and I have been helping her raise her son. She is a graduating senior this year and the little boy completely has stolen my heart. I consider myself an independent and find it really interesting when conservatives scream “family values” when it suits them. I mean really, were you all defending Britney Spears’ mother when her teenage daughter got pregnant?? Just be honest with yourselves. She was widely criticized by conservative groups. Now you are all condoing teen-age marriage. This is not the 1950’s so Freda, a 26 year old man being with a 16 year old girl is considered illegal is some states and perverted in most. And for those of you who think this has nothing to do with “real politics” you are probably right and I am sure there are other blogs for you, so go to them. And to the rest of you, we all know that this is all in the spirit of debate and freedom of speech. You know you would be having a FIELD day if the pregnant teen would have been named Sasha or Malia (obama girls). Don’t even begin to act like you would be giving Obama a pass on this one—those darn immoral democrats. I actually feel sorry for the girl and her boyfriend. They should not be feeling all of this pressure to get married. Like you said, extended family can be there for that baby. Let’s give those two a chance to finish growing up…..

By CFNeumann

September 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Obama’s mother was pregnant with Barrack when she was 17 and unmarried. Sounds like a journalistic double standard, eh?

By Not either

September 2, 2008 2:28 PM | Link to this

The greatness of this Country is freedom and making choices. This topic prochoice-prolife should not even be a political issue. It is a personal choice between the individual and god. Not the individual, republican and god. How about pro-snip to all those men who father unwanted children and do not take parenting seriously - who just have babies and move on. I vote PRO-SNIP. and keep unwanted children from being unwanted. Why does this issue always have to be related to woman? Because she can carry a baby? We have bigger issues in this Country folks - pretty soon due to the economy these babies won’t be able to be fed properly. Now what?

By AtheistRepublican

September 2, 2008 2:15 PM | Link to this

Squirrely…get of the God high horse. Open your eyes to the world around us…an increase in single parent homes,parents working multiple jobs to make ends meet, MTV…society has changed. You are right, conceltion is a choice…so is having sex and kids are going to do it…we aren’t pushing “rubbers” to encourage them, we are saying “if you choose to do this, protect yourself”. Typical Conservative, throwing in abortion and God so you can get on your soapbox and dodge the real issues affecting this country!

By Bobby

September 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Link to this

Hey Savination, could you be my neighbor on Woonbine? Yellow house, big chick 225lbs Toyota? I dig Obama too. Lets get together. I have a tricked out Camry. You will love it.

By Squirrelly

September 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Is this DDN’s idea of covering the Republican National Convention? Hmmm…What does a pregnant 17 year old have to do with running as VP on the Republican ticket? Do you guys even know what a Republican Convention is? You should wear “I’m with Stupid” t-shirts.

By Squirrelly

September 2, 2008 1:21 PM | Link to this

Choice is made at conception, not after. After is murder. All you liberals out there wouldn’t have Christmas if Mary had aborted Jesus. I think Palin is a great pick for VP. I like it that she isn’t swayed by party lines, and got rid of some dirty Republicans. And Palin is not God and cannot be up on her children 24-7. At least she isn’t out there killing defenseless babies. Pushing rubbers on children is not going to solve this problem. How ‘bout allowing God back in the schools? (Or you liberals could push showing “how to” porn movies in school.) You liberals wanted change…how’s that for seeing how “change” helps? Push God out and bring on the rubbers. Foolishness!

By Rush

September 2, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Ramp Guy, did you work at Emery Air Freight?

By m

September 2, 2008 12:45 PM | Link to this

Where are the values this country wants? Are we saying it’s okay for are children to have sex at an early age? Do we not say no anymore? We are a two faced counrty. Sure it’s okay if your a vice presidents daughter to have a child at a young age. However if your Brittney Spears little sister you are no longer a role model for society. Who is rigt? Who is fit to have a child? Is there a right answer? You answer yes your bad, you answer no your bad. What does all this have to do with running a country? Obama has somme good qualities,so does Biden. Mccain has sm good qualities as well as Palin. What about Brittney and her sister. They have good qualities too.

By Emmy

September 2, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

I know several people who got married at 17. Some waited until they were married to have kids, some did it before. They had long marriages and brought up wonderful kids that are contributing to society and not living off of society. It can be done! Watching the liberals, who consider themselves to be tolerant, attack this mother and her daughter is outrageous. The daughter’s pregnancy has nothing to do with what kind of VP the mother will make. The mother will have plenty of help with both the down’s syndrome child and loving and supporting her pregnant daughter and son-in-law to be. To say she is being a bad mother because she is taking the job of VP is like saying that working mothers are bad mothers. The liberals can’t have it both ways. Of course their argument is going to be that the only way to be a good mother is to abort the baby with down’s syndrome and the 17 year old’s baby, because a 17 year old doesn’t know anything about raising no babies, right. We just need more condoms and sex education and the problems go away, sure they have!!! Abstinence is the only sure birth control and it should be taught too!

By Emmy

September 2, 2008 12:40 PM | Link to this

I know several people who got married at 17. Some waited until they were married to have kids, some did it before. They had long marriages and brought up wonderful kids that are contributing to society and not living off of society. It can be done! Watching the liberals, who consider themselves to be tolerant, attack this mother and her daughter is outrageous. The daughter’s pregnancy has nothing to do with what kind of VP the mother will make. The mother will have plenty of help with both the down’s syndrome child and loving and supporting her pregnant daughter and son-in-law to be. To say she is being a bad mother because she is taking the job of VP is like saying that working mothers are bad mothers. The liberals can’t have it both ways. Of course their argument is going to be that the only way to be a good mother is to abort the baby with down’s syndrome and the 17 year old’s baby, because a 17 year old doesn’t know anything about raising no babies, right. We just need more condoms and sex education and the problems go away, sure they have!!! Abstinence is the only sure birth control and it should be taught too!

By Freda Ferrell

September 2, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

I was married to a 26 year old man at 16. I did not haVE TO MARRY. hE IS NOW 83 AND WE HSVE 6 CHILDREN. I HOMESCHOOLED SOME AND OTHERS WENT TO A CHRISTIAN SCHOOL. I KEPT FOSTER CHILDREN WHO HAD BEEN ABUSED AND ONE IS LIKE A DAUGHTER YET.SEVERAL HAVE BEEN IN THE MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND NOW THREE IN NURSING. tHEY ARE ALL JOYFUL OF THE CHOICE mCcAIN MADE AND WE WILL BE PRAYINMG FOR THEM ALL NONE OF MY CHILDREN HAD TO MARRY AND SURE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD AN ABORTION IN ANY CASE. YOU LIBERALS MAKE ME SICK TO MY STOMACH BUT YOU ARE TO BE PITTIED I WILL PRAY FOR YOU TOO.

By Ramp_guy

September 2, 2008 12:30 PM | Link to this

Savanation “let’s discuss the morals of JFK, Bill Clinton, John Edwards and Obama”. OK, let’s do. JFK-build up Vietnam 57000+ dead. Bill Clinton did not want to “kill” Bin Laden so 3000+ die on 9/11. Too busy with his aide? John Edward and Obama voted for this bill and how many are dead from their choice? www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo

By Rush

September 2, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Savanation , you forgot to discuss the morals of JFK, Clinton, John Edwards and Barack America. You seem a bit flustered!

By Jim 5

September 2, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

Barack Obama himself made the statement that the kids are “off limits”. McCain has respected these limits and extended them to avoiding the subject of Obama’s mother and her failed relationships with two radical Muslim men: Obama’s father, and his stepfather. McCain has tactfully stayed away from the subject of young Barack Hussein Obama’s formative Indonesian years and the stern childhood lessons he received at one of that country’s Islamic academies. Also off limits is any mention of adult mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright and his pulpit fomentations against Osama Bin Laden’s September 11 victims. If McCain can respect these limits, so should Obama — as he states.

By Pete

September 2, 2008 12:22 PM | Link to this

Savanation. Thanks for asking. I do sleep really well at night. During the day though I really do worry about people like you living in fantasy world having the right to vote. Are you a product of the Dayton Public School System?

By Phil

September 2, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Hard Truth, Wow, are you saying women can’t have children and a career? What century are you living in? Don’t assume these young adults can’t make a go of it. Sure , they made a mistake but with a strong family backing them and love they have a chance to succeed. They may be more mature than you. Maybe a broken condom proceeded your entry into our world. Maybe your parents considered abortion. I’m happy you are here. God Bless.

By apathetic

September 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Obama can’t say anything bad about the Palin situation. His own mother was just 18 years old and unmarried when he was conceived. If any of you have children you know that no matter how well they are raised, they will live their own life and stray from what they have been taught in their raising. I know terrible as well as great parents who have had children end up pregnant. This is not a political issue. This does not speak to any candidates judgement. This is life. It happens every day to people all across this country. This only shows that Palin is just like all of us. She faces the same situations and challenges that your every day typical American faces. I have also learned in life that you should not be so quick to judge others. As soon as you do, the same thing will happen to you.

By apathetic

September 2, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

Obama can’t say anything bad about the Palin situation. His own mother was just 18 years old and unmarried when he was conceived. If any of you have children you know that no matter how well they are raised, they will live their own life and stray from what they have been taught in their raising. I know terrible as well as great parents who have had children end up pregnant. This is not a political issue. This does not speak to any candidates judgement. This is life. It happens every day to people all across this country. This only shows that Palin is just like all of us. She faces the same situations and challenges that your every day typical American faces. I have also learned in life that you should not be so quick to judge others. As soon as you do, the same thing will happen to you.

By Bill Clinton

September 2, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

Do not bring me into this. Read my lips “I did not have sex with that girl”!

By Julie

September 2, 2008 12:00 PM | Link to this

Unfortunately, no matter how much you talk to your kids, they still have a mind of their own. But once the baby is born, the baby will bring more love and and new family dynamic. So many of us were unplanned pregnancies as well.

By Common Sense

September 2, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

72 year old cancer survivor for our next president? If we are going to get personal with Palin, what about McCain. How long has his cancer been in remission? Is it back and we do not know about it? Scary to think Palin who has extreme family concerns who needs to focus on her family, especially with a special needs child will be able to take over as president. Being president is not a part-time job.

By keyz

September 2, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

HardTruth…I would hate to be your offspring. I’m hearing you say you would no longer be proud of your child or willing to help him/her through a mistake they’ve made in their lives. And I gaurantee…your suburban kids WILL make mistakes. Mine did. They overcame. I’m as proud of the fact they over came their problems and dealt with them as I am that a few of them now have advanced college degrees and are now happy, productive, educated adults (one is now 30). Watch what you say and how you present it. You do not know what life will present to you and where you will be in your life when it happens. Um…Sarah Palin has extended family. I have been in her shoes (well job, career, troubled teens) and extended family will do wonders, as well as maintaining a positive attitude. I get the feeling you’d “lecture” the troubled kid to death instead of supporting the child and getting a life of your own. I am undecided about who to vote for, but I do see Sarah Palin and her family as no different than oh say….99.9% of the rest of American society…we ALL have problems and skeletons in our closet. What’s yours?

By Jim 5

September 2, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

Wait a minute HardTruth, you are starting to contradict yourself. On the one hand you say that Sarah Palin is irresponsible for endorsing her daughter’s decision to marry (over parenting). On the other hand you say she is irresponsible for putting her career ahead of kids (under parenting). Your “open mind” seems to disapprove of Governor Palin either way.

By Savanation

September 2, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

” let’s discuss the morals of JFK, Bill Clinton, John Edwards and Obama”(Pete). OK, let’s do. Did any of these gentlemen kiil 4000+ of his own soldiers in a war he created by lies just to make himself look tougher than his father? Did any of these people encourage and condon the use of torture, against all American and international laws? Did any of these men try to stop adequate sex education and family planning, which could have prevented the situation this young woman now finds herself. Pete, get your head out of other people’s bedrooms and take a look at all the immorality the clown you voted for, twice, has forced America to suffer thru. Your vote, for your “Pro-Life” President has put the biggest mass murderer and most anti-family, anti-Christian, anti-American coward ever in the hisotry of the United States, right in the White House. How do you sleep at night?

By HardTruth

September 2, 2008 11:03 AM | Link to this

You die-hard conservatives are cracking me up!!! Aren’t you the same ones who criticized Brittney Spear’s teenage sister and called for her to be removed from her Nickleodean show because she was pregnant?? Now you are okay with Palin’s daughter being pregnant and expecting us to applaud her for keeping the baby? Trust me when I say, the Palins have way more visibility than a teen celebrity on a cable station. And do you HONESTLY thinkt that 17 year old Bristol and her 18 year old “baby’s daddy” are mature enough to be husband and wife? Are you serious? Gov. Palin is doing her daughter an extreme disservice as a mother if she is endorsing what will be “mistake number 2”. They weren’t even responsible enuff to use birth control. Well, wait, they weren’t even responsible enough to stay absinent. And yes, this subject is fair game because Palin came to Dayton and boasted that she was a proud mother—even taking her little one up on stage with her. She wanted us independent, suburban moms to say we can relate to her and then cast our vote her way. Well, I can relate to a mother with children, but I CANNOT relate to a woman who is choosing to deny her children the attention that they need so that she can pursue political fame.

By keyz

September 2, 2008 10:35 AM | Link to this

We have way too many ASSumptions being made here. First, we DON’T know if Palin is making her daughter marry this kid. Secondly, and as the mom of 4 daughters (thankfully, I haven’t faced this particular problem but have faced others), that no matter what you teach a child, they DO make their own decisions at the age of 16, 17, 18. They WILL make mistakes. It’s how the parents react and treat the situation. Personally, I find it admirable that there is a pro-life stance here. No one human is perfect. Sex education in the schools has NOT stopped teenage pregnancy. Sex education in the home does NOT stop teenage pregnancy. So what to do? Like all parents who love their children, you accept and you support the child in error and show them the loving kindness to deal with their situation. It does not mean a parent necessarily taught their child to be a teenage mother. Additionally, I think we should just leave this issue ALONE. Just because Palin has personal family issues…and WHO doesn’t?…does not mean she is a bad role model, bad mother, or a bad politician. I wonder how many of you badgering this woman here deal with addictions, teenage pregnancy, financial issues, or other problems everyone encounters in your life? Looking for a “perfect” candidate? Then keep dreaming…

By Dayton Resident

September 2, 2008 10:21 AM | Link to this

Dear Null - you are the impaired one. Go ahead and vote for the guy who’s mother was 18 and three months pregnant before she married. He is flawless in your opinion, apparently. My initial statement is that mistakes will be made and that people are human, including Palin and her daughter. Your mightier-than-thou attitude means nothing to me.

By Joanie

September 2, 2008 10:03 AM | Link to this

I work with abused children and Sean is absolutely right. The age of consent in the state of Ohio is currently 16. I have no idea what it may or may not have been 7 or 8 years ago. The age of consent varies from state to state. The rabid Repubicans would applaud McCain’s choice no matter what. The die-hard Democrats wouldn’t like anyone he picked. The real test of whether or not this was a good decision is what the undecideds think. Personally, I think it was a poor choice. McCain obviously wanted a governor to distance himself from Washington and a woman to try to attract Hillary voters. Surely there are more qualified Republican women governors than Palin.

By nursecilla

September 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

I don’t think Palin is being fair to her family and especilly her special needs child. How is she going to be able to be there for him and her daughter who is pregnant, while out trying to become VP. And then if they get in, that isn’t just a 9 to 5 job. How can she do that to her children? Is being the U.S.’s first woman VP that important to her? I would never sacrifice that much time away from my family for any title you could offer me. The fact that she is willing to (especially having a 5 month old child)tells alot about her character. The time you miss from your children’s life can’t be replaced. How can she do that to them???

By DALE 78

September 2, 2008 9:47 AM | Link to this

The choice of Palin as Mr Mcains running mate ,was a bad choice for all of the people he could of chosen she has no foreign policy experence . Running the state of Alaska is a far cry from being commander in chief . IF they thing a photo op of her shooting an assault rifle makes her commander in chief material ,their crazy .I love the republicans and their preaching about family values .Since when is a pregnant unmarried 17 yr old a picture for family values . Iguess if you are a republican you live by the motto .Donot do as Ido ,do as I tell you to do .

By HKettlehake

September 2, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

“McCain can’t compare with Obama” One is a doer and the other is an orator. One has military experience and the other is a carefully cultivated Chicago styled product of the late Mayor Richard J. Daly’s Democratic political machine. Well maybe a little over cultivated. One sees the big picture while the other answers to the liberals. One is decisive while the other waits to get ignorant answers from staff or associates like pelosi and reid. Okay so McCain, Obama and Biden were legislators and have staffs on average of roughly 57 Individuals each. 57. Good God Palin has more experience just with her small town totals of government employees. At least McCain was a military commander. Palin is in command of her states national guard, the state itself, and everyone in the state if necessary. Just look to the South as the hurricane approaches. Can and do senators decide to change the habits of their constituents as any emergency may demand? Governors make decisions hourly. What can Senators do? So we have Leadership, experience, and judgement left and McCain has more than Obama and Biden. Palin is a plus. I just believe that many subscribe to the Hollywood Pollyanna that all will be well if we make a movie about it. People will come and see it and hear it and believe it and all will be wonderful. Horsepucky. I say give her a chance to be heard. HKettlehake

By HKettlehake

September 2, 2008 9:25 AM | Link to this

“McCain can’t compare with Obama” One is a doer and the other is an orator. One has military experience and the other is a carefully cultivated Chicago styled product of the late Mayor Richard J. Daly’s Democratic political machine. Well maybe a little over cultivated. One sees the big picture while the other answers to the liberals. One is decisive while the other waits to get ignorant answers from staff or associates like pelosi and reid. Okay so McCain, Obama and Biden were legislators and have staffs on average of roughly 57 Individuals each. 57. Good God Palin has more experience just with her small town totals of government employees. At least McCain was a military commander. Palin is in command of her states national guard, the state itself, and everyone in the state if necessary. Just look to the South as the hurricane approaches. Can and do senators decide to change the habits of their constituents as any emergency may demand? Governors make decisions hourly. What can Senators do? So we have Leadership, experience, and judgement left and McCain has more than Obama and Biden. Palin is a plus. I just believe that many subscribe to the Hollywood Pollyanna that all will be well if we make a movie about it. People will come and see it and hear it and believe it and all will be wonderful. Horsepucky. I say give her a chance to be heard. HKettlehake

By Ramp_Guy

September 2, 2008 9:15 AM | Link to this

March 2008… Per the “one” “I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby,” Obama said. Obama wants to raise taxes and Kill babies… Palin wants to raise babies and Kill taxes

By Pete

September 2, 2008 8:58 AM | Link to this

The child of a conservative gets pregnant, plans to marry the father and give the child a family. Would abortion make some of you happy? I’m sure none of you made mistakes when you were young. If you Dems want to turn a family matter political, let’s discuss the morals of JFK, Bill Clinton, John Edwards and Obama(infanticide).

By HardTruth

September 2, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

It is a shame that they are making this 17 year old GIRL get married at an attempt to protect her mother’s political career. She is in NO WAY prepared to be someones wife! She is still in high school and should be focused on herself and (now) her unborn child—-not worried about taking care of a household and a husband!! The right wing republican party is sooooo about family values, but yet Palin is stomping all over the country while someone else will be taking care of her special needs 5 month old baby. I am a mother and I see no honor in her.

By HardTruth

September 2, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

It is a shame that they are making this 17 year old GIRL get married at an attempt to protect her mother’s political career. She is in NO WAY prepared to be someones wife! She is still in high school and should be focused on herself and (now) her unborn child—-not worried about taking care of a household and a husband!! The right wing republican party is sooooo about family values, but yet Palin is stomping all over the counntry while someone else will be taking care of her special needs 5 month old baby. I am a mother and I see no honor in her.

By Savanation

September 2, 2008 8:30 AM | Link to this

(Dayton Resident)”Null: I suppose that Dick Cheney did a rotten job raising his homosexual daughter, then. Maybe we should have questioned his leadership abilities? ” Well, ya see, Dayton Resident, that is exactly what most Americans now do and what they should have done before allowing that murdering coward to tell Bush that he needed to kill soldiers in Iraq.

By Jim 5

September 2, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

More of the same — Obama says that Sarah Palin’s daughter is “off limits” for political discourse, and this cues the radical Obama supporters to start attacking her (and her mother, and her baby, and Christians, and Senator John McCain). Its predictable how the liberal left will abandon women and single mothers when convenient. This isn’t change, Its just…

By Allen

September 2, 2008 8:22 AM | Link to this

Hey Mike where do you get that he’s 27 they are both seniors in high school. DAHHHHHHHH!

By Paul

September 2, 2008 7:55 AM | Link to this

McCAIN —- OBAMMA —- SOME CHOICE —- HOW’S ABOUT RONALD McDONALD? No daughter’s and plenty of experience!!!

By mike

September 2, 2008 6:54 AM | Link to this

why let a girl in highschool date a 27 yr old.where were the parents,at fund raisers!! another case of careers before family.and i though that the could not find 2 people worst to lead there republican party DAAAAAH!!!!

By mwm

September 2, 2008 6:29 AM | Link to this

Evangelicals and conservatives will attempt to justify anything. From teen pregnancy to wars based upon lies. They are a strange group of people!

By john

September 2, 2008 4:43 AM | Link to this

John McCain has not “put the country first” by selecting a person who has been governor for 18 months of a state with a population 100,000 less than Columbus. There are 24 Cities in the U.S. with Populations greater than Alaskas. There are 60 Cities in the U.S. with Budgets bigger than Alaska’s. McCain’s judgement is in question. Don’t give me the “Obama has less experience…” First, he graduated from Columbia and Hardvard. He taught Constitutional law. He served in the State GOv. of illinois…a state with 13,000,000 people in it + senate experience. Basically he has demonstrated exceptional focus, intelligence and judgement. Palin thinks ‘creationsim’ is of equal merit as evolution. She opposes sex education in schools and gets her kicks shooting wildlife from helicopers. This is the most qualified woman in the republican party…!? I don’t think so. Lastly, the pregnant daughter… not a probelm except Palin is one of the self rightous right wing “christians” who go around judging others…remember that biblical passage: “Judge not lest you be judged”.

By Kevin

September 2, 2008 2:45 AM | Link to this

Really Sean? I was told by a police officer in my hometown some years ago(maybe seven or eight) that it was 18.

By Sean

September 2, 2008 2:36 AM | Link to this

Kevin - better take a closer look at the Ohio Revised Code. The age of consent in our state is 16.

By Kevin

September 2, 2008 2:00 AM | Link to this

The only thing nesessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing- Edmund Burke

By Kevin

September 2, 2008 12:54 AM | Link to this

In retrospect I cant possibly leave those two "kids" out of this. It was "their" choice...right...I meancmon…If my moms political career were on the line (and she happens to be a Republican)…would I really have a “choice”? Not likley…. Geeezzz…really quiet from the right side of the isle tonight…

By Kevin

September 2, 2008 12:44 AM | Link to this

It must really be “Tougher in Alaska”. I mean `cmon…here in Ohio there are laws against a 26 year old MAN being with a 17 year old GIRL! There would be Republicans all over this state just outraged if he were not convicted of sexual assault. Not to metion after he was released from prison after several years he would be required under Ohio law to register as a sexually oriented offender for probably an additional 10 to 15. THINK ABOUY THIS!!!

By Kevin

September 2, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

BTW….I can just hear the conversation as we speak…”Do you really think I can pull this off”?(McCain). “Well hell yes you can dummy… Look at weve gotten away with for the last eight years...HAHAHAHA...after awhle..theyll believe anything you tell um”!!!(Cheney)

By Kevin

September 2, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this

Heres The way I see this. Lets leave the 17 year old girl and her “26” year old fiance out of this. Lets talk about Senator McCains "judgement" for a second. It goes one of two ways. The first scenario goes like this...He didnt know…which all reports indicate that he did and chose her anyway over Romney or Huckabey because a first term Gov.(with multiple children to raise) is qualified or second.. he did know and made her his choice out of desperation to pull the pro-life Christian right vote. Either way it falls it smells to me. The right will stop at nothing and Bristols mother is living proof!

By Ben

September 1, 2008 11:24 PM | Link to this

Lets use some of the Dem’s posting here’s thought processes for a moment to see where they are coming from. Palin’s daughter get’s pregnant, Palin should have done a better job being a parent, the actions of someone other than the candidate can be used against the candidate to show the candidate is no good and shouldn’t be in the appointed office. Okay, I think I follow their reasoning. Barak is friends with a terrorist, the terrorist admitted to blowing up buildings, the terrorist wishes he had done more, Barak should be able to control that terrorist, but the terrorist isn’t sorry about what he did and thinks he should have done more. Barak sits on various boards with him, dating back to when Barak was in his mid 30’s. Barak is friends with a convicted criminal, he gets involved with some shady moves in buying a lot hear his house. The convict goes to jail, Barak should have controlled his friend and that’s bad too. So based on the dem logic, Barak can’t be president because he didn’t impact the two criminals he is associated with. Of course, another big difference here is Barak’s statement that he wouldn’t want his daughter saddled with a baby if she made a “mistake”. John McCain is a genius and the dems are all sucking lemons over his choice of VP’s!

By On the fence, but leaning

September 1, 2008 11:11 PM | Link to this

The more I hear from Obama, the more I believe he is an honorable person. Unless I hear something reliable that is really damaging, Barak Hussain Obama will have my vote. The efforts to use his middle name to put him in a negative light only reflect negatively about his detractors.

By Ben

September 1, 2008 11:08 PM | Link to this

Oh Boy, the democrats are trying to grab at anything to submarine the most brilliant political move in recent memory. Here’s a woman who has more management experience than any of the other candidates, who can relate to everyone in middle America, who shares our values and worries and yep, even many of our problems. This move has totally blown the wind right out of the Barak Hussein Obama rock star road show. Here’s a woman with the ability to think on her feet, (read no teleprompter Barak) and has the background to make the right choices. I am sure if she had her preferences, her 17 year old daughter wouldn’t be pregnant and she probably thought rightfully that what her daughter did shouldn’t be used against her. Look at the Hillarista’s, they don’t hold the stunts Bill pulled in his office against her did they? This woman can out debate, out think and no doubt out shoot any of the dems and they hate it! Hooray! John McCain you are a genius!

By rickdogg

September 1, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

obamas statement today…. MONROE, Michigan (CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. Sen. Barack Obama campaigns in Monroe, Michigan, on Monday. “Let me be as clear as possible,” Obama said. “I think people’s families are off-limits, and people’s children are especially off-limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.” Obama said reporters should “back off these kinds of stories” and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother. “How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off-limits.”

By rickdogg

September 1, 2008 10:51 PM | Link to this

obamas statement today…. MONROE, Michigan (CNN) — Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that families are off-limits in the campaign for president, reacting to news that GOP running mate Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old daughter is pregnant. Sen. Barack Obama campaigns in Monroe, Michigan, on Monday. “Let me be as clear as possible,” Obama said. “I think people’s families are off-limits, and people’s children are especially off-limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin’s performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president.” Obama said reporters should “back off these kinds of stories” and noted that he was born to an 18-year-old mother. “How a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be the topic of our politics, and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that’s off-limits.”

By rickdogg

September 1, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

hey savanation!! yes i would feel the same way. even that idiot Barack Hussein obama said in a statement today to leave the family’s especially the children of the canidates out of this. i am a sarah palin supporter and i betcha your family has had someome you love make mistakes in their lives…but at least she choose not to murder the baby by abortion. leave them alone. geezzzzz

By Non-Dayton Resident

September 1, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

Obama has said this issue should be a family matter, not a political one. I’m impressed by his consideration of the family. However, I have to wonder how Palin could have been unaware of her daughter’s condition until this late date. It makes me wonder about McCain’s judgement in picking Palin. And actually, “Chucktonian” condoms do help, though they are not 100% effective. Neither are birth control pills. You must have had that “Abstainence Only” class.

By null

September 1, 2008 9:38 PM | Link to this

Your logic is impaired….In all thy getting, get understanding!! (Again, pray for wisdom.) The parent influences the child….NOT the other way around. The PARENT raises the CHILD. You are deceived, Resident. Get some understanding and some wisdom. There is nothing more I can tell you until you do… Good night.

By null

September 1, 2008 9:33 PM | Link to this

Resident- I’m done for the evening. Pray for wisdom and discernment. We can all use some…

By Dayton Resident

September 1, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

I don’t see how you think I am making your point. I just read that Obama’s mother was three months pregnant before she married his father. Should we judge him for that??

By null

September 1, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

Resident: Again, you are making my point. It’s 2008 and we cannot afford to elect someone with poor judgment. I agree with you regarding the past examples you use and the fact that we are all human with skeletons…..the point remains, as PRESIDENT of the free world, AND in this day and age particularly with the issues at hand, judgment is critical. Otherwise, we could very simply elect anyone with enough money to run a campaign and have no regard for any other qualification or characteristic. C’mon now….it’s not that difficult to concede.

By Philman

September 1, 2008 9:17 PM | Link to this

Hey stagnation or what ever your name is, we all make mistakes, at least she did not run over to Planned Barrenhood and pay them to murder an innocent baby to cover her tracks, like Obama has said he would do.our society is over run with sex and violence it’s a miracle any of our Kids make it to adulthood unaffected.

By Dayton Resident

September 1, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

OK, these comments are so slow to post! I lost my whole last statement, but basically - I understand about being held to a higher standard - but the FACTS are: President Thomas Jefferson father illegitimate children with his slave, Pres. Kennedy had an affair with Marilyn Monroe, President Nixon was involved with Watergate, President Reagan’s daughter was hateful and angry enough to write a scathing book about her family, President Clinton - well, you KNOW what he did! And even our current Pres. Bush’s wife killed someone in an auto accident thru her own negligence. This is what I mean. These people are not infallible, they are HUMAN BEINGS. There will be a skeleton in the closet somewhere, it always shows up!

By james

September 1, 2008 9:05 PM | Link to this

“We’re proud of Bristol’s decision to have her baby” decision(?!) what decision? did the palins give their underage daughter a “choice”?

By null

September 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Link to this

The FACT is that a leader must be wise, prudent and use good judgment. The leader of the free world is called to a higher standard of judgment. Why would you dispute that? Your argument very clearly supports my position as such.

By Dayton Resident

September 1, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

Null - I think it has been proven time and time again, that no matter who is in office, whether its the Presidency, a Senator, Mayor, etc. that these beings are all human and are inevitably going to make mistakes. This is the nature of BEING human. Therefore, for us to judge their personal failures raises the question that no human should run for office because no human is perfect. Rather, some sort of robot or other artificial intelligence should run for office because they can make no such human error. I am no bible-thumper, but I do believe in “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” I await your rebuttal …

By null

September 1, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Dayton Resident: YES! That’s correct…but that is not the only reason Cheney’s skills(ANY and ALL of them) are failures. THAT, my dear, would require more than a news blog to detail.

By Dayton Resident

September 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Link to this

Null: I suppose that Dick Cheney did a rotten job raising his homosexual daughter, then. Maybe we should have questioned his leadership abilities?

By Savanation

September 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Link to this

“you people need to shut up about this. who cares?” (Rickdogg) You have to wonder if rickdogg would feel the same way if this was Obama’s daughter or Biden’s. Can you imagine the cry from the Dobsonites if this was a daughter of one of the Democrats? I can hear it now: “Those damn immoral liberals don’t know how to raise children. they let them watch pronography and other filth on TV and in the movies. They give their children sex education and BIRTH CONTROL PRODUCTS which only encourages the kids to DO IT! What do you expect from Liberal Godless Commie Gay Democrats!!!!” Tell you what, folks, those hypocrites who hollar the loudest had better look to their own homes and families before they tell us what great FAMILY VALUES they have.

By null

September 1, 2008 7:56 PM | Link to this

Dayton Resident: Judgment must cover the masses when you are running for public office….. and it should start in your household as well as your own self conduct. Everyone makes mistakes, yes. When you are running for public office—-particularly from a moral stance/position, your household best presents your ability to lead.

By rickdogg

September 1, 2008 7:52 PM | Link to this

you people need to shut up about this. who cares? let the family deal with this. she isnt the only teenage that is preg, certainly not the last. let it go people

By Carrie

September 1, 2008 7:43 PM | Link to this

This is disappointing to say the least. But at least this squashes the rumors of Palin faking a pregnancy to cover for her children. Children make mistakes, maybe this is one other young women can learn from. I think we will see a divorce in 4 or 8 years though.

By bgs

September 1, 2008 7:33 PM | Link to this

Looks like there’ll be a shotgun wedding. Good thing the governor is a hunter, she’ll have a shotgun handy. :)

By Dayton Resident

September 1, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

Judgment is always best when served to ourselves. Gov. Palin’s daughter is no different than any other teen in America. Things happen. This has nothing to do with her mother’s ability to run as the V.P with McCain. People are always so quick to judge without knowing someone’s personal situation! It’s annoying and exhausting …

By null

September 1, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

Damage control is the word of the hour….evidently, Sarah just learned of her daughter’s situation…if she had known herself any earlier, she would have at least been forthcoming to her own Alaskan insider’s who stated no awareness of any pregnancy. McCain should have vetted Mrs Palin for longer than a weekend because this is just the beginning of a series of mistakes/gaffe’s on their side…it was a long shot and a huge risk—-I don’t blame him under the circumstances. He had NO chance at all without taking a huge risk. He just took the wrong one. Damage control will not be enough. Thanks McCain!! President-Elect Barack Obama and the rest of America thanks you, kindly.

By DEMO CRAT

September 1, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Governor Palin’s family is like everyone else with its ups and downs. But, if the media had not pursued this issue would the episodic event been hidden until after the election? Of course, some GOP supporters want Governor Palin to appear infallible.

By mother of young 15 yo mother

September 1, 2008 5:11 PM | Link to this

this is between the young couple and should no be aired in the news, although i will not vote for PALIN ,to the person that said

By steve

September 1, 2008 3:50 PM | Link to this

I would guess that she knew about birth control. You would have to be raised in a cave not to. Luckily for her, she has the resources to care for the child.

By Rick

September 1, 2008 3:49 PM | Link to this

Do we know if this girl was homeschooled or at a public school?

By Now

September 1, 2008 3:42 PM | Link to this

Why is it that good religious girls do so well at getting pregnant outside of wedlock? The hypocrisy is RAMPANT!

By Mary

September 1, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

We shouldn’t just discuss sex, right to life and condoms. We should also be discussing population control and the stresses and limits of the natural world to support a mushrooming population.

By greg warner

September 1, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

What makes you think is was an accidental pregnancy—No adult should be judged solely on the actions of their children!! At least there is a responsible young man with wedding plans in the picture and not just a baby daddy like jessie jackson , john edwards and so many others on the democratic side

By chucktonian

September 1, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

LOL like condoms help. these public sewers we call “schools” do nothing but push their sex agenda and condoms and kids are more pregnant than ever

By Savanation

September 1, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

Sorry for the kid. But I really love to see Pro-Family folks doing their thing. I guess Abstinence Only didn’t quite cut it. Too bad the young girl didn’t have proper sex education. I guess when you home school these kids, some important information falls thru the cracks.”As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support.”(Palin) Too bad she didn’t have proper sex education before she had to “face the responsibilities of adulthood”. I am glad Palin is proud to become a grandparent. Too bad she wasn’t proud enough to teach her daughter what condoms are for.