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October 6, 2008 11:10 PM | Link to this

“But who is anyone to judge what other people do, or for that matter make the choices for them?” You’re using a .edu email and you write that way? Go ask for your money back. We all have to judge what others do. That’s what a community does. We decide what is acceptable and what the penalty for acting outside of that will be. Laws are the judgement of the people about what is acceptable. Sadly killing babies is right now and will be more under Obama.

By Jim

October 6, 2008 11:01 PM | Link to this

Obama is for late term abortion. He is for allowing an aborted baby who surives to die without treatment outside of the mother. Obama is not a friend of pro life. Don’t sling the rape/incest shell argument around. The smallest minority is in that group. Babies are killed to keep from being a penalty for the mother. Ask Obama, he sees an unwanted prenancy is a penalty for a daughter, not as a life.

By we the people..

October 5, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

as far as referring to abortion as being a baby killer. if you can step out of your hole for a minutes and realize people are raped and molested everyday. When you do take a step out of that hole, imagine your wife, daughter, neice, or neighbor being the victim- would you want them to go through that? Maybe if you are a man. But who is anyone to judge what other people do, or for that matter make the choices for them? This is not a case of democrat or republican- this is a case of health. If you are not making a decision that would rock your entire world, no one should worry about those who have to make that decision- and who are you to want to take that away from someone else. No matter who the president- we need choice and change.

By we the people..

October 5, 2008 11:32 AM | Link to this

as far as referring to abortion as being a baby killer. if you can step out of your hole for a minutes and realize people are raped and molested everyday. When you do take a step out of that hole, imagine your wife, daughter, neice, or neighbor being the victim- would you want them to go through that? Maybe if you are a man. But who is anyone to judge what other people do, or for that matter make the choices for them? This is not a case of democrat or republican- this is a case of health. If you are not making a decision that would rock your entire world, no one should worry about those who have to make that decision- and who are you to want to take that away from someone else. No matter who the president- we need choice and change.

By we the people..

October 5, 2008 11:31 AM | Link to this

as far as referring to abortion as being a baby killer. if you can step out of your hole for a minutes and realize people are raped and molested everyday. When you do take a step out of that hole, imagine your wife, daughter, neice, or neighbor being the victim- would you want them to go through that? Maybe if you are a man. But who is anyone to judge what other people do, or for that matter make the choices for them? This is not a case of democrat or republican- this is a case of health. If you are not making a decision that would rock your entire world, no one should worry about those who have to make that decision- and who are you to want to take that away from someone else. No matter who the president- we need choice and change.

By Ethel S.

October 4, 2008 8:08 PM | Link to this

Here is the main stream media read after the Biden/Palin Debate. Palin wins on style and Biden wins on substance. And here is my view of it, Biden had so many mistakes in his substance regarding the legislative records of both candidates, he loses by a large margin. The fact that a 30+ year Senator had to struggle so hard to keep up with the sharp and informative answers of Gov. Palin was made Sarah the winner. For example, when asked about the gay marriage issues, Gov. Palin gave the correct definition we had now (marriage between one man and one woman), said she was tolerant of gay people and their civil rights, but was opposed to gay marriage. After a couple of go a rounds, Gov. Biden finally admitted they agreed on opposing gay marriage. But here is what I really liked about Gov. Palin’s debate and answers. She looked right into the camera and eyes of the American people and said that with a McCain/Palin administration, the taxpayers would not be taken advantaged of again. She come through as sincere and a fighter for the causes of the American people. Way to go, girl! Our family is completely behind you because you put the USA first!

By Jim

October 4, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

So you idiots cite traffic offenses and of course don’t say it’s a traffic ticket trying to infer it’s something worse. Typical democrat tactic. As for nObama’s degrees, big deal, ton’s of people from Harvard out there, he still would not have been nominated if the lib idiots and their white sorrow for slavery hadn’t backed him. He’s less than nothing special, and his promoted race is what got him where he is.

By not null

October 4, 2008 12:45 AM | Link to this

this whole thread is a joke. Both parties use notes/prompters to let them tell the public what they want to hear. You may agree or disagree that is your choice.Spend less time posting endless comments and get your family out to vote. Time for USA to vote. If you dont vote dont post.

By Norm

October 4, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this

Listen to what your saying, and quit running your mouth about things you know nothing about. You people are pitiful.

By Norm

October 4, 2008 12:04 AM | Link to this

Listen to what your saying, and quit running your mouth about things you know nothing about. You people are pitiful.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this

I’m always amazed at the bigotry and ignorance on these boards, considering it’s 2008. Obama went to Columbia (BA Political Science) and graduated magna c*m laude from Harvard Law School. So JIM, I think he’s a little over qualified for Garbage Man.

By Palin family trouble

October 3, 2008 11:25 PM | Link to this

Go to the state of Alaska’s court records page. Thats were I got the record. Bristol Palin has been busted 3 times for car related offenses, the Palin son is in Iraq, he had to go or face jail time and Todd Palin was busted for DUI related offenses.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 11:03 PM | Link to this

Hey Mr. Criminal records, speak English. What was the charge? Does it equate to felony drug abuse like nObama’s does? Or is it as I suspect some kind of licensing citation? Failure to register? As for the numbskull claiming this is a stunt, If nObama wasn’t claiming he is black he would never have gotten enough signatures to run for garbage man.

By Palin family trouble

October 3, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin has a criminal record. In fact most of the Palin family has been in trouble. Location: Dillingham Name: PALIN, SARAH, MS DOB: 02/11/1964 Case #: 3DI-93-00249CR Case Type: State Case Title:ST VS PALIN,SARAH Attorney 1: Date Filed: 06/26/1993 Attorney 2: Type Person: Defendant Criminal - Offense: CRIM NEG FAIL REG NT Criminal - Statute: 5AAC06.370(A) (Registration - Bristol Bay - Permit-Register Sites) Criminal - Dispo: No Contest Plea Criminal - Date Dispo: 08/25/1993 Criminal - Felony/Misdemeanor: Violation Criminal - SIS Date Dispo: Location: Dillingham Name: PALIN, SARAH, HMS DOB: 02/11/1964 Case #: 3DI-93-00217CR Case Type: State Case Title:ST VS PALIN,SARAH Attorney 1: Date Filed: 06/28/1993 Attorney 2: Type Person: Defendant Criminal - Offense: C/F W/O PHOTO ID Criminal - Statute: 20AAC05.115 Criminal - Dispo: Dismiss Criminal - Date Dispo: 08/25/1993 Criminal - Felony/Misdemeanor: Misdemeanor Criminal - SIS Date Dispo:

By Jim

October 3, 2008 10:56 PM | Link to this

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: “94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction.” THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year. PALIN: “Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell.” THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control. PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007. THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began. PALIN: Said Alaska is “building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America’s largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets.” THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

John McCain has made a mockery of American politics by selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate. Palin�s selection, which wouldn�t fly in any field that requires credentials, is a testament to the Republican propaganda machine. The fact that a large segment of the population has bought into the notion that education, knowledge, and intellect doesn�t matter, is truly baffling and very troubling. We should all be outraged that John McCain has put our country at risk by attempting such a cynical political stunt.

By painfultruth

October 3, 2008 10:34 PM | Link to this

One thing for sure is Dayton is full of know-nothing bleding heart liberals that depend on “the government” spoon feeding them for their survival. It’s a sorry state of affairs. What is troubling is the outward hatred of REpublicans. Democrats only want more control of YOUR personal life, and WANT you to be dependent upon “government”. You weak minded fools can’t support yourselves, so you blindly follow Obama and Biden. Too bad you supposed “adults” need the nanny goernment to run your lives! You can’t do it on your own, can you? Just like kindergarden! Republicans lead;Democrats only follow. Remember the spineless Jimmy Carter?

By Jim where'd you get your info

October 3, 2008 10:30 PM | Link to this

Jim, who’s your inside hook with the repub campaign? Tell them they’re wrong. She’s giving interviews, just saw one she did right after the debate. Palin tells the truth, lying Joe kept true to form and just made his facts up. You can be pretty darned confident if everything you say is a lie.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Link to this

In one breath Palin says we need more regulation, in the next breath she says government needs to get of the way. The other point of major concern was her troubling statement at the end of the debate about expanding the powers of the VP within the Senate.She clearly has no clue about constitutional law.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 10:13 PM | Link to this

Palin didn’t even know the McCain campaign had pulled out of Michigan. She heard about it on the news, because she doesn’t seem to read papers, and because she’s not in the loop of her own campaign. Now they’re saying no more interviews, questions, or press conferences with Palin. She’s nothing more then a theatrical campaign prop, fueled by her own blind ambition.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

You guys would vote for a criminal for president? You would want someone who’s never lead anything in his life running the coountry? You want an avowed racist married to a racist running the country? Read his books before you vote. Amazing. I’m not sure how much of nObama you will be able to afford, but I’m betting if he makes it, he’s a 4 yr prez and the repubs will be right back. Hopefully he can’t screw up too much in 4 years before the yuppie idiots wake up.

By to thinkaboutit

October 3, 2008 9:15 PM | Link to this

If you are going to read a book, you need to start with a dictionary so you can learn how to spell!

By Once a Rep now a Dem

October 3, 2008 8:56 PM | Link to this

I found Biden to be very professional in his answers, he knew what he was talking about, When Ifill said: ” is that a yes or no” to Palin, that told me right there who I was voting for, Obama-Biden, how much are we going to lose before we wake up?

By thinkaboutit

October 3, 2008 8:37 PM | Link to this

To anyone trying to do the math….there is 300 million people in the US. 700 Billion divided by 300 million is approximatley 2,300 per person. Granted that this amount would increase if only given to adults who are working or who can prove that they have been working. But to the guy who said that 750 Billion given back to the people would be 2 million dollars per person, better check your math bud.

By jim

October 3, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

So you prefer Joe Biden’s debate style which isn’t to stretch or manipulate the truth, but to flat out look square in the camera and lie? And for the elitist that made the stupid statement about Alaska’s education, have you seen where Dayton resides on the worst places to send your kid to school?

By TKidding

October 3, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

A little off topic here since both candidates are for the bailout. I have decided a better course for the bailout. Instead of giving one company 7 hundred billion dollars when they blew it in the first place why not give every single American 2 million it comes out to be about the same and I for one think it is better than giving those idiots more money of ours to waste. Who is with me?

By Go figure!

October 3, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

What a shock, the News Sun picked very inflattering pictures of Palin while all of Biden’s pictures show a man in “control”. This paper is worthless if you want unbiased news.

By Joe sixpack

October 3, 2008 6:01 PM | Link to this

The devil is among us and they are called Republicans.

By billybobalso

October 3, 2008 5:52 PM | Link to this

These debates are silly. If they wanted real discourse, they would ask questions that would require logic, problem-solving, synthesis of information, and the ability to think quickly and specifically. AND, the moderator would have a buzzer, or preferably a tazer, that they would use to stop the reply the moment it goes off topic or uses a buzz word or catch phrase! Sarah Palin would fail miserably under such a scenario, just as she did in the lightweight Katie Couric interview. Don’t you think we’ve had enough double-speak? Why can’t we elect an intelligent AND experienced man, or woman, of the caliber of Colin Powell? There is someone who can think on his feet, and speak clearly. If Colin Powell were in the same room with ALL of these Presidential and VP candidates, they would be seen as insignificant and sophomoric. Why is our system so screwed up that we can’t even nominate a qualified candidate, regardless of party affiliation? They are all second or third string players, at best—shameless self-promoters who enjoy the sound of their voices. I yelled outloud for Sarah Palin to just shut up last night. It was all one big WHINE… to me. The pitch patterns of her voice, the “great white north” ‘isms. The references to “up there,” like she is from some foreign country? Well, yeah, she is. Alaska is basically a depressed, under-educated state with a culture of it’s own. I hope other people were screaming too!! And to ask Biden “Can I call you Joe?” only to turn around and use that casually in a dig later in the debate was rude and an obvious set-up. Pardon my Alaskan, but this woman is simply a manipulative female sled-dog. Period.

By Ruth Brown

October 3, 2008 5:21 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palen should have been disqualified as soon as she refused to answer the question and made up one of her own. As a former debate coach for high school students, if my student had done that, she would have been sent off the stage. As far as her speech at the R’s convention, she took a Karl Rove speech right off the promptor. Lord help us if she gets a hold of that office! Ruth Brown

By Jim to aidawedo

October 3, 2008 5:19 PM | Link to this

Aidawedo, the democrats have been the majority for quite some time and its that party who is responsible for this mess. Bush couldn’t pass squat. The dems have messed it all up. You guys keep blaming Bush, you ought to take a look closer, start with Barney Frank and Pelosi. They’re more responsible than Gw

By aidawedo

October 3, 2008 5:06 PM | Link to this

The pundits are who get me; why would they seriously consider her to even have tied or held a candle to Joe Biden? She stated that she would not adhere to the rules of the debate. She talked around the questions and did not answer most; especially on (I paraphrase) “What would you give up to account for the passing of this bailout bill?” Generally, Republicans don’t know how to manage the government and they mess(sic) it up badly when they are left to guard the hen house. They just know how to parrot their talking points. Smaller government… crawhh! Less government… crawhh! Lower taxes… crawhh! Government out of our private lives (except when making personal decisions like who we love, pregnancy)… crawhh!

By mwm

October 3, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Palin would not be able to “cram” for weeks prior to a meeting with the likes of Putin or other leaders in the world. She would not have the time to “cram” for a national crisis or look up answers on Wikipedia. McCain chose her as a political stunt. His choice of Palin as his running mate shows a total disregard for our country.. Perhaps McCain has stock in a fashion eyeware company. But, Palin is incapable of the job. She lost the debate. Mainly because all her answers lacked knowledge and substance. She also resorted to republican talking points when she had no answer. Which was often. Her little cute chick routine does not work. If, in the unlikely event the VP had to assume the presidency, I see Joe Biden as the best choice to lead our country. Palin would only be a pawn and would not be able to lead our country. The republicans that are supporting McCain are not thinking with a full deck. McCain and Palin are not “mavericks” They are more of the same Bush agenda politics. And, would continue the failure management of Bush. It is important to look at the past eight years so that we do not continue or repeat the failure policies of the republican agenda.

By a troubled voter for McCain because Obama is a criminal

October 3, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

nObama has been a Senator for a minute. He started running for president almost immediately upon getting elected to the Senate. He was a “community organizer” what ever the heck that is. He was a state senator who did diddly squat while in office there. He hasn’t run anything, he’s never had to worry about a payroll. He is not in the main stream. You people supporting him have got to know that he looks down his nose at all of us. He is not of us, he is above us. Palin’s family in 2 years donated over $8000 to charity. nObama hasn’t given anything other than to his racist preacher. He doesn’t even take care of his brother who is living in a hut in a third world ghetto. Why in the heck would you support someone who associates with criminal terrorists, who attends a racist church, who is an admitted felon himself? nObama has violated numerous state and federal laws and wrote about it in one of his I love me books. How in the heck can you idiots support that? Am I happy with McCain? Nope, not even a little, but compare their backgrounds, compare their associations. Compare the responsibilities they have had over the years. There is no comparison between the 2. If Biden wasn’t such a blatant liar I could support him easier than the other 2 for prez. Palin is one of the main stream. She is a working mother, she understands budgets, she hasn’t had anything handed to her. Her approval ratings in her home state are huge. Even former Clinton staffers are supporting Palin over the nObama ticket. You are known by the company you keep. If you were best friends with a terrorist how would your friends feel about you? This guy cannot be the next president of the US. He is a product of the sleaze of Chicago.

By MeTwo

October 3, 2008 4:39 PM | Link to this

When will everyone realize that the reason jobs are being out-sourced is because of Clinton??? Not Bush!

By Fed Up

October 3, 2008 4:37 PM | Link to this

I’m voting Democratic because I don’t want to work for a living, I’m voting democratic because the government knows how to spend my money better than I do, I am voting Democratic because the government can pick out a Doctor for me better than I can. NOT!! Nobama

By Jim

October 3, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

John McCain has made a mockery of American politics by selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate. Palin’s selection, which wouldn’t fly in corporate America,in Education, or in any field that requires credentials, is a testament to the mass hypnosis abilities of the Republican propaganda machine. The fact that a large segment of the population has bought into the idea that education, knowledge, and intellect doesn’t matter, is truly baffling and very troubling. We should all be outraged that John McCain put our country at risk by attempting such a cynical political stunt.

By thinkaboutit

October 3, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

To SMDC, WOW your calling the kettle black, you make fun of people who blog while also blogging yourself. you make fun of people who read and blog on many diffrent sites, and how would you know if you were not doing the same. You tell people who work and go to school to get out and meet people, isn’t that what they are doing by working and going to school. You say read a paper or book, last time i was in school that is what they do there is read books and expand the mind. Sounds to me like your a huge hipacrit who is more times than not ppunked out by more inteligent people. It only took me a minute to read your blog and tear it apart. Don’t be mad bud, maybe you should go to work and/or school and educate yourself so next time you make more since.

By Alice

October 3, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

totally right, SMDC.

By thinkaboutit

October 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

All I keep hearing is McCain did this, McCain did that, everyone is blaming Mccain for this or that. Correct me if I’m wrong but McCain is not the only senator in washington. Atleast they guy is doing something. what has Obama done but talk. why would any of you support a guy who is obviously supported by our retarded media. The media in this country is and has been a joke for some time. Being in law enforcement and in most cases seeing it with my own eyes, 75% OF WHAT THE MEDIA REPORTS IS WRONG. To my fellow republican’s keep up the good works. We cannot afford a democratic house and president.

By SMDC

October 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this

C’mon, Ecartman. The Colorado Democracy Alliance is nothing more than a rabid conservative blog. No wonder there’s so much negativity in many of these posts. Keyboard-tough people like you come home after a bad day at school or work, tie into a Red Bull or six and fill your minds with hateful tripe from hardcore blogs that ape your postions. Then you go out on message boards like this one, adopt multiple ID’s and unload venom and crap all afternoon to make yourself feel better. Put down the Red Bull, turn off your computer and get out and interact with more interesting people. Read a newspaper, a magazine or a book once in a while. Do the heavy lifting of thinking for yourself, then get back to me.

By Liberals

October 3, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

If you want change, change your huggies. Quit crying all the time.

By gjg

October 3, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Palin did not make a complete fool of herself, so she accomplished her goal for the debate. One of the points Biden made which is alarming is that McCain will tax employee health care benefits. With all the problems with health care in this country, this is exactly the wrong thing to do. It will harm many working families, including mine, since we get employer supported health care benefits. And we were told the Iraqis would be trained to take over for our troops. Obama/Biden are absolutely right that it is time for that promise to be kept!

By Flower child

October 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Link to this

Vietvet, Tell your dang liberal girlies and boys to keep their legs closed and quit poking everything that moves there won’t be any unwanteds. If people quit acting like animals in heat and have some morals then you won’t be aborting millions of PEOPLE.

By paleincomparison

October 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Link to this

to Rosie - “I was GLAD to see Palin finally come out of the closet last night in support of lesbian partnerships.” Watch it again, she did not give the same answer that Joe Biden gave.

By Dalek

October 3, 2008 3:20 PM | Link to this

Dr Who: where I come from our genetic mutations served us just fine.

By VietVet

October 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Buckeye in NC/Mark M-comment about your abortion statements. It’s like I told the right to lifers when polled- all of you right to lifers need to start a nation wide fund to take care of all the unwanted children that will be born when we do as you want in closing down all the abortion clinics. We will need you to take care of them to get your way.Funny,haven’t had any right to lifers want to put one dime down to start the unwanted kids fund.Either supply the needed money to raise these unwanted kids or clamp it shut. To answer the question- Biden is a better choice for VP. I don’t want a winking, cheerleader, goody two shoes, clueless wonder one step away from the presidency.Palin has no substance, is not ready for prime time and has reached her political limit as governor. She is not Washington material- too much of a naive soccer mom to survive in national politics.She was programmed to spout the McCain/Bush jibberish that has ruined the country for the last eight years.She is not even close to being qualified for VP and the way she presents herself,she never will be.She’s not dynamic nor smart enough to handle that high of a position in government.It should be obvious to most people.

By Glus

October 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

Continue in your mission to the good end, which is the rise of the state. Death to conservative values and independent thought. Death to individualism. You are all better off when we all share in the bounty of the state. Praise to the state.

By Dan

October 3, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Raoul, I recommend if you like the status quo, by all means vote the way you feel best. I’m afraid your party is in the commode and probably will lose miserably. Unfortunately, the staunch Republican is always in denial and always has an excuse. I’m sure you will be rewarded for this innovative thinking. I’m not a Democrat, but I also do not care for narrow minded individuals that always feel they are right. I have voted both ways depending on the candidate, but closed minded party politics is probably out the door. The new age is beginning and I’d expect Ohio will eventually enter the millenium.

By Donkey

October 3, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

If elected I will pet puppies and make people that work pay for the lazy. I will change the way we do everything. History is nothing but a random trail of meaningless events. All change is good. McCain doesn’t like puppies and he thinks just because you work hard you should be able to enjoy what you made. I think everyone should be taken care of whether they like to hang out all night and sleep all day or they put in long hours and raise responsible children. If you’re lazy you better vote for me or they’ll put you to work and stomp your puppy. I’m Barak Obama and I approved this message.

By whites win again

October 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Link to this

McCain needs some new attack ads. Some that have gorillas running around in the background as he talks about Obama. Maybe some slogans calling him a knuckle-dragger, or using “monkey see, monkey do”.—-Don’t include any real content though. That would make things too confusing and diminish the real message. I and many others would appreciate an ad like that.

By Ned

October 3, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Ok Buckey, just wanted to make sure I was right about you being a hypocrite. Can’t value life and not value life at the same time.

By Ecartman

October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

To: SMDC-Your epiphany that Sarah is liked because “dumb is in in America.” Here is a tidbit you won’t here about on the MSM.The Colorado Democracy Alliance outlines a roster of “operatives” who worked for Democratic victory in the 2006 general election. The document outlines specific tasks for various members of the state’s liberal infrastructure, including a campaign to “EDUCATE THE IDIOTS,” assigned to the state’s AFL-CIO union. Among the operation’s intended targets: “minorities, GED’s, drop-outs.” So which party appeals to the “dumb?” If it weren’t for the dumb masses blindly following Obama to slaughter this wouldn’t even be a race!

By Dr. Who

October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

The only way you can deal with genetic problems with a fetus is abortion. There are no treatments for genetic disorders at this time.

By again

October 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Link to this

It’s ovbious that this discussion has been taken over by a bunch of 15 year olds who have no idea what the world is really like. As the saying goes, the young are always democrats, when you grow up and have some sense you become a republican.

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

To all you baby killers I’m outta here!

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

Ned what I said was that I value a baby’s life more than that of a death row inmate. An innocent baby hasn’t made the decisions a death row inmate has. I see you don’t let facts get in the way of a good argument huh!

By SMDC

October 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Link to this

I had a moment of clarity during last night’s debate. As I watched Sarah Palin clumsily dodge and obfuscate, I came to understand for the first time the basis of her appeal: dumb is in in America! Mediocre is the new fabulous! Move over Britney and Paris, here comes Sarah! Seriously, given Palin’s one-note performance and gimmicky delivery, it’s no wonder right-wing media outlets are scrambling feverishly today to broaden the scope of their favorite epithet, “elitist”, and hurl it at any Democrat they can find. By these bastardized standards, any moderate or liberal who displays even an iota of competence is to be categorized as an elitist snob. I grew up on a farm without running water and didn’t get my degree until I was 60 but, since I was one of the 65%-70% of viewers of last night’s debate who rated Biden’s efforts as more presidential than Palin’s, according to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, that makes me nothing more than an elitist. Mom and Dad would be so proud!

By Rosie

October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Link to this

I was GLAD to see Palin finally come out of the closet last night in support of lesbian partnerships.

By genetic testing

October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

Genetic testing is routinely done in women over 40 who become pregnant to try to identify problems with the fetus. Sometimes the problems can be dealt with before birth. It is not unusual for her to have had genetic testing.

By myopinion

October 3, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

Typical far right republican response.. you are “always right” and anyone that disagrees are wrong.. black/white thinker. No gray areas in life - pity that you cannot see that. Don’t you know if abortion became illegal the wannabe docs out there will take over with their own practices.. it has happened. Desperate people do desperate things.. OH.. I forgot..you con’t care. Enough space about you..

By oldertipp

October 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

she did a great job.nobama here, look at your dayton mayor follow her down the path of NO jobs in dayton same as nobama just a mouth nothing new just the same old ** wrapped in a different paper.

By Ned

October 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

So buckeye as you’ve said you support capital punishment in a post just a few minutes ago, should you go to jail for determining another human beings time of death?

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

Typical liberal response. You probably ignore the fact that abortion in a VAST majority of all instances is used for “convenience” not a medical necessity.You can argue all your points but killing a baby is WRONG. Anyone who wants to play God by determining the time of death, and I do mean death, of a living human should go to jail!

By whocalled??

October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Link to this

Here are some headlines we can expect to see in the year 2010 if our society continues its glorious march to the People’s Revolution: Rev. Jeremiah Wright receives Nobel Peace Prize for trendsetting work in race relations San Francisco city ordinance: Public display of heterosexual affection (by US citizens) punishable by $1000 fine Michael Moore sweeps Oscars with his film Bin Laden Mon Amour President Michelle Obama paroles all non-white convicts in America; �We must begin healing process,� she declares Archbishop of Canterbury presides over first Muslim coronation ceremony Secretary of State Pelosi featured on new 9-dollar bill Supreme Court approves quotas for mentally-retarded applicants to PhD programs in the humanities Army announces new �fair trade� rules of engagement: Enemy must be given equal weapons before fight begins Mandatory 5-year prison term in Canada for Global Warming denial

By mark M

October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Link to this

Palin clearly won the debate. A lot of topics were covered except abortion. The finest health and education systems, the fairest immigration laws, and the soundest economy do nothing for the child who never sees the light of day! It is a tragic irony that �pro-choice� candidates have come to support homicide � the gravest injustice a society can tolerate � in the name of �social justice�. Abortion is the civil rights issue of out generation. Palin and McCain have the life issues right. Obama/Biden will expand abortions and taxpayers will pay. 1.3 million murdered children every yr in the US alone

By TO: PROUD TO BE WHITE

October 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

To whom ever, proud to be white is. You are so ignorant, you don’t even know how to spell BLACK!

By Ecartman

October 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Link to this

Still more crap on your sandwich: “Look, all you have to do is go down Union Street with me in Wilmington or go to Katie�s Restaurant or walk into Home Depot with me where I spend a lot of time…” Maybe Biden doesn�t get around in his neighborhood very often. Curtis Sliwa of WABC called around Wilmington this morning to find Katie�s Restaurant, only to discover that it went out of business � during the Clinton Administration

By Palin testing

October 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Anyone care to enlighten us as to why a pregant woman has genetic testing if she wasn’t considering an abortion? Sounds like the news leaked out and she was stuck with the kid.

By myopinion

October 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Link to this

Dear Buckeye in NC.. abortion is not all about birthcontrol. How about these facts.. some girls get raped by their own reletives.. do they have to remain pregnant? How about the fetus is discovered to not have a brain (as we know a brain)… Extinuating circumstances - abortion may be the answer.. shouldn’t it be up to the one who is pregnant? How can you judge her? How can you tell her? Would you want to be that child of someone who will be instiutionalized until death? Please consider these facts when arguing right/wrong. Just think for a minute. I decided to carry my baby - without anyone’s best wishes.. glad I did but I believe in other people’s rights to make their own decisions, especially early in the pregnancy. I respect your right to disagree.. just promise to think one minute how a person could feel. Thank you

By Nick

October 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Link to this

Dale G., Susan Gonzalez, you may think that posting the same message multiple times is a neat way to strengthen your argument. No! it just makes you annoying.

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Link to this

Bakari what is it you are trying to say? Lay off the bottle if you are going to try to give your political views!

By Blah

October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

At least one thing is clear. The whole country has moved back to the middle. Thank GOD. I was getting sick of the Republican ideology. It end-up being nothing but discrimination and blaming all our problems on some minority group. And, I’m white, by the way.

By Bakari

October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

It is so simple obama 08&12 he has emerged as the only politican capable of leading the country back top at least repectablity

By Warpath93

October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Link to this

Biden is a more polished politician, but is his problem…he is a good ‘ol boy and he won’t change things. Palen seems more like someone that could live down the street. I like her. I’m ready to vote. I think she would make waves in Washington. With Obama & Biden we will have more of the same. With McCain & Palin, we’ll have a better chance.

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

For all of you Democrats that think abortion is not a bad thing; Aren’t you glad your mothers didn’t feel that way!

By Leslie

October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Link to this

One of Barack Obama’s staunchest supporters and prized campaigners and film biographers from the motion picture and television business has just been accused of union busting, according to a complaint filed Thursday with the National Labor Relations Board. Perry has refused to agree to a WGA contract that would give the writers health care benefits or pensions. One of Obama’s wealthy that will be paying the taxes instead of us. Wonder why kind of healthcare he will recommend for us?

By null

October 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

So if you associate with someone who is bad that makes you bad? I guess all those Catholics whose priest were found guilty of rape and molestation are bad people as well. You can only control yourself. What is the Obama camp doing? Last I read the Republicans were trying to stop voters from registering and voting at the same time. It can be spun to benefit anyone. If who someone knows or associates with is more important than your economy and the troops in Iraq then that is a great thing to base a vote on and by all means vote for McCain. If he wins we will see more of the same. With a Democratic government and a Republican President I bet a lot will get done.

By Against Obama

October 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Let me just tell you this, personally. There is not much about McCain that stands out, but Obama is a farce. He is a facade for the liberal socialist agenda. If you like socialism go to Europe. He stands for everything that is wrong with Europe. Go over to Europe and live for awhile, then listen to the propaganda that Obama speaks. You will see it clearly. Sad fact is most people in this country are so star struck they don’t know a fake when they see it.

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Link to this

I am for McCain because; I want to think for myself and not have the gov’t do it for me. I want to take responsibility for my actions and not blame anyone else for my mistakes. I feel that corporate profits are not a bad thing. And mostly I value the life of an unborn baby more that that of a death row inmate!

By myopinion

October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Binden showed class - did not attack.. just gave facts/figures and a plan.. Palin - cliches’. and memorized info.. she did some cramming for sure. Yes - ladies I want a woman in the White House (not just as a wife) BUT.. she has to be the RIGHT woman (not far-right either). It grieves me to think that the Republicans think they can “win over” intelligent women by throwing someone that does not have the experience needed for that position… and believe we will bite. DON’T… hold out for the right woman. Hillary voters… get over it and look at the ISSUES important to you … it is a must!!! Don’t lose your woman’s voice for someone that is not good for “us”.

By resident

October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Link to this

Acorn, Bill Ayers, Dr. Kahlid al-mansour, Frank Raines, Bernadine Dohrn. That pretty much sums it up. Do some reading. The reason I won’t vote for Obama has nothing to do with his race, it has to do with his backround and associates. However, not voting for him because he is black is no worse than voting for him just because he’s black. Check out the activities of early voting in Ohio. You will be shocked what the Obama camp is doing. We should be outraged.

By White Liberal

October 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

I am voting Democratic because I am not really worried about my inequality under the law. Affirmative action is a worthy program that has some regrettable parts, but overall makes me feel a lot better. Freedom and Equality are just relative terms, anyway. People hold up the Civil War volunteers and the Tuskegee Airmen as examples of patriots fighting for their ideals. But were they really fighting for the greater good, or were they just fooled into fighting on false government pretenses: did anyone see the shells hit Fort Sumter; Germany had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. I think they were just self-interested guys who were lied to by their government. No more for me thank you, I’m voting Democratic.

By For Obama

October 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

Can anyone who is for McCain please tell me what it is that makes you want to vote for him? Am I missing something? I have looked at the issues and tried to block all the he said she said out. As far as policies go Obama’s vision is more in line with my own. I feel as though John McCain is saying whatever he can to win. Suspending his campaign last week was way weird to me. Especially when I looked at his voting record and he failed to vote on economy/budget in March. So please, anyone, enlighten me.

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Link to this

PTBW’s mother - what do you mean by “way to go republicans” a typical liberal statement. One person makes a fool of themselves and every liberal wants to crucify every conservative. I have an Idea why don’t we give him a million dollars for sensitivity training because I am sure his opinions are because he hasn’t received enough assistance from the gov’t! By the way not every biggot is white!

By PTBW's mother

October 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

Proud to be white should get a 5th grade education. Way to go republicans, you must be proud to have such a shinning example of humanity supporting your causes.

By R. K. Williams

October 3, 2008 1:53 PM | Link to this

To Proud to be White, The work Muslim only has one “s” in it. Maybe you shoudl stick to words that apply to you. I am thinking maybe “idiot” “whack-job” “waste of oxygen” “drunk” “trash” “unemployed”. Can you spell those correctly?

By boggs

October 3, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

To: Proud To Be White - if you were drowning and there was a white person who didn’t know how to swim and a black person who did, would you rather drown than have a black person jump in to save you?

By tonya

October 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Link to this

palin won!!

By Nickels from heaven

October 3, 2008 1:49 PM | Link to this

Glad you cleared that up. Liberal and literal should not be used in the same sentence. Oh darn, I just did it.

By proud to be white

October 3, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

Dantasha, Shaquika, latasha, daja, laquanta….what ever your name is..typical balck person who blames everything on racial stuff. my vote is with mccain/palin not with obama because he is black..there said and done. no one else will admit it but i dont want a black guy who is a musslim running my country…proud to be white

By Dale G.

October 3, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

I take my hat to Joe. He gave her enough rope to hang herself. If bologna were a trumpet she would be a brass band. Yeah will she wear camo when she is called to break a tie and will Joe six pack be there to hold her hand or the Sara-Cuda.(pink no less). I just have to stop now. My head is hurting from all the information I didn’t hear. As the B-Ball team would say GO SARA-CUDA. I like Ike

By IVAN

October 3, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

Greetings, my fellow comrades. In a short time, we will have accomplished our near term goals. You are all doing a wonderful job of humiliating the republicans and conservatives. Continue in your mission to the good end, which is the rise of the state. Death to conservative values and independent thought. Death to individualism. You are all better off when we all share in the bounty of the state. Praise to the state. Praise to community efforts. I will share the bounty with you all in January, 2009. WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!

By Dale G.

October 3, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

I take my hat to Joe. He gave her enough rope to hang herself. If bologna were a trumpet she would be a brass band. Yeah will she wear camo when she is called to break a tie and will Joe six pack be there to hold her hand or the Sara-Cuda.(pink no less). I just have to stop now. My head is hurting from all the information I didn’t hear. As the B-Ball team would say GO SARA-CUDA. I like Ike

By HA!

October 3, 2008 1:38 PM | Link to this

Hey Fact Checker can you copy and paste in John McCain’s plan on anything?

By ???

October 3, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

I feel as though the pretenses for the war were false. Bush had a score to settle for his daddy. And I believe Obama voted no on the war. My husband has a very good education and job. He works for a govenment contractor who researches, studies, and builds items for the military. His paycheck comes from the earmarks McCain wants to cut. So who loses? We do, my kids do, the soldiers who are fighting across the world, and their parents, wives, husbands, children, grandchildren. Everyone has a different situation and for someone to say “If you want money in the bank and food on the table, don�t take it out of my hard-earned. You need to get control over your life and keep the government out.” That is ludicrous. I put myself through college, if something would have happened to my husband I would have had to quit school, work 2 jobs to pay for daycare and living expenses. Everyone’s situation is different. And it’s hard to keep the government out when they take almost have your paycheck. out of a 2000.00 bonus only 1200 was brought home. I wish I could keep the government out. Raoul you are one of the lucky ones. You are an oddity. I hope you are never faced with the situation Dan is or the other people who are barely getting by. Not everyone is privileged enough to not have to worry about choosing between gas and food. Do you have kids, or are you married?

By null

October 3, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

Everyone expected Palin to fail but she didn’t. She also didn’t stray from her well rehearsed subject matter. While Biden was out campaigning and giving interviews, Palin was at debate boot camp with the best coaches in the world. She frequently avoided the question asked & confidently veered to one of her well rehearsed answers in a folksy way, with her Fargo accent, throwing in a few winks for good measure (as if her sex appeal would override the critical answers needed). Palin has her own Jihad, is on a mission, just as Cheney was intent on invading Iraq. .A vote for McCain is a vote for McSame. We�re a heartbeat away from becoming United States of China

By FixNews

October 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Link to this

Palin clearly won the debate. George Bush is the greatest president of all time. We are winning the occupation of Iraq. The Easter Bunny is real.

By Obama Fan

October 3, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

yes- I still want my wooden nickel. Anything is better than John McCain. By the way- I was not taking about the wooden nickel in the sense that that you think. I was being liberal. I mean literal.

By Another Bob

October 3, 2008 1:20 PM | Link to this

Considering how low the bar was set, I suppose the scripted responses did no harm, but nor did they address either the questions asked or her lack of fitness for the office (can’t name a magazine she’s read or a Supreme Court case she disagrees with other than Roe v Wade? Come on.) The cuteness is calculated. Every rehearsed sentence she utters sounds like she’s running for Miss America, not VP. She is an irresponsible choice and it reflects very poorly on McCain.

By Bob

October 3, 2008 1:19 PM | Link to this

Considering how low the bar was set, I suppose the scripted responses did no harm, but nor did they address either the questions asked or her lack of fitness for the office (can’t name a magazine she’s read or a Supreme Court case she disagrees with other than Roe v Wade? Come on.) The cuteness is calculated. Every rehearsed sentence she utters sounds like she’s running for Miss America, not VP. She is an irresponsible choice and it reflects very poorly on McCain.

By Fact Checker

October 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Link to this

Joe Biden’s 15 Lies TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted ?the exact same way? as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, Drill we must.'' But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to raping the Outer Continental Shelf. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it's passage. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he's always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain's record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska ? she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain wasdead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan. RESOLUTION ON IRAQ WAR: Biden said he only voted to force UN to participate in removing Saddam Hussein. That is a lie. The resolution he voted yes on was to invade Iraq with military force.

By WHAT?

October 3, 2008 1:10 PM | Link to this

Dantasha - you have got to be kidding!! I will be voting to McCain/Palin and it has nothing to do with Race, NOTHING. Your comment is ignorant.

By Dantasha Patterson

October 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Link to this

Actually please disregard my post. I know nobody “aksed” my opinion anyway, and since I contribute nothing to society, I really don’t even feel like I should have a right to vote. Sorry for bothering everyone. I have to run, my food stamps arrived and it be time go do some shopping.

By Dantasha Patterson

October 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Link to this

A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote against black Americans. if you do not vote for Obama you are a racist. I also want to thank the DDN for their support of Obama and other key Democrats. With your help and support, we will bring CHANGE and HOPE back to America.

By Robert

October 3, 2008 12:53 PM | Link to this

Alex, Our starting the war in Iraq has already given our country a bad name. We were wrong and now we’re paying the price.

By Say what?

October 3, 2008 12:42 PM | Link to this

It’s not nice to say your 17 year old daughter is easy. That’s just wrong, or are you saying it’s not easy?

By Win

October 3, 2008 12:41 PM | Link to this

@ Sarah Palin epic.

By School time

October 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Link to this

The adage “Wooden nickel” implies that something is not genuine. It is only commerative in nature. Though there were wooden nickels issued after the “Great Depression”, coincidentally, it means something is not equal to the value it projects. In otherwards, it’s sort of like saying…You are scared so you’ll accept anything for fear you’ll have nothing. That is how Hitler rose up. Still want your wooden nickel?

By Sarah Palin

October 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Hey, I found out last night that debating can be as easy as, well, my 17 year old daughter. You betcha!!!!!

By Raoul

October 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Link to this

Dan, the Democrat’s voted to go to war in Iraq, then tried to lose it by admitting defeat to hang it all on Bush. Saddam Hussein had WMD’s, used them, and after the Gulf War never came clean what he did or did not have. Bill Clinton gave Halliburton no-bid contracts. If you are making minimum wage, why should we make your employer pay you more? Democrats are in power now in Dayton and Ohio; and the unemployment rate reflects it. If corporations had to pay more in taxes, they would charge you more for gas and food, which you already apparantly can’t afford. If you are concerned about Dayton, look who the Mayor is and who controls the local government. If you want money in the bank and food on the table, don’t take it out of my hard-earned. You need to get control over your life and keep the government out. And don’t let those predatory lenders force you into buying a home you can’t afford, because I don’t want to bail you out. So yes, by all means, vote Republican. Please.

By tonya

October 3, 2008 12:34 PM | Link to this

Alex… I would say you are a very smart and informed person for being 18 years old. Your parents taught you well and good morals!! Its great to hear that your only 18 and you are following politics. You have made the RIGHT CHOICE!! You gotta talk to your friends and get them out there to vote. You young people will probley be the deciding factor in this important election!! Good for you! Palin clearly won this debate.

By tbill

October 3, 2008 12:28 PM | Link to this

Who cares? The Presidency is not the captain of the US Debate Team, it’s far more than that. I’ll vote for Palin/McCain no matter the results of ANY debate, and it’s not really a debate at all if you have any idea of what a debate is!! How can they call it a debate? And what does a “winner” of a “debate” prove? NOTHING!! Washington DC will continue, business as usual,no matter who wins in November, trust me.

By alex

October 3, 2008 12:24 PM | Link to this

wooohoo, 18 years old first time voter. congrats right ? never thought in a million years I would be into politcs as much as I am. As far as I’m concerned Mccain/palin they rock. Obama is a sick man, hes ignorant. A baby starts a life the day of conception, to kill an unborn baby is wrong, I dont care what anyone says, its absolutly wrong. That baby did nothing to anyone, to deserve to be killed, In my opinion if you don’t want a kid then dont have sex, or get on birth control and as far as getting raped..have the baby and put it up for adoption, there is no excuse for abortion.period. and as far as bringing the troops home from iraq, NO. My aunt and Uncle were in iraq for 18 months, if we brought the troops home from iraq, then what would that say about our country, I think it would say that we’re quitters, and what about all the people who died for our country already, it would be pointless if we brought them home, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR TROOPS OVER THERE, they are trying to fight for Iraq to get freedom, and if we just walked away from war, I think it would put a bad name for our country. and by the way. palin clearly won the debate last night, biden was lying through his teeth the whole time. DRILL BABY DRILL ! :)

By alex

October 3, 2008 12:23 PM | Link to this

wooohoo, 18 years old first time voter. congrats right ? never thought in a million years I would be into politcs as much as I am. As far as I’m concerned Mccain/palin they rock. Obama is a sick man, hes ignorant. A baby starts a life the day of conception, to kill an unborn baby is wrong, I dont care what anyone says, its absolutly wrong. That baby did nothing to anyone, to deserve to be killed, In my opinion if you don’t want a kid then dont have sex, or get on birth control and as far as getting raped..have the baby and put it up for adoption, there is no excuse for abortion.period. and as far as bringing the troops home from iraq, NO. My aunt and Uncle were in iraq for 18 months, if we brought the troops home from iraq, then what would that say about our country, I think it would say that we’re quitters, and what about all the people who died for our country already, it would be pointless if we brought them home, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR TROOPS OVER THERE, they are trying to fight for Iraq to get freedom, and if we just walked away from war, I think it would put a bad name for our country. and by the way. palin clearly won the debate last night, biden was lying through his teeth the whole time. DRILL BABY DRILL ! :)

By Obama Fan

October 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

I will take a wooden nickel over nothing any day. At least I can burn them to keep my family warm in the winter. And yes ! I SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN and I have already placed my vote!

By Barry

October 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

I know this will never fly but how about McCain/Biden and get rid of the two pretty faces that are full of mush? I was really kind of underwherlmed last night.

By Fox News

October 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Link to this

Keep dreaming DemocRATs. Your own people cringe at the Dem VP. This is a quote from elections.foxnews.com: “One Obama aide told FOX News before the debate started that if all went well for them, most people won’t even remember Biden was there.” Does that sound like they really wanted him to make a splash? No that means they wanted him to say little because of fear what will come out. funny

By Dan

October 3, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

I’m voting Republican because I’m proud of the fact that my party sacrificed the lives of over 4100 young men to start a war in Iraq and be the aggressor with no evidence of ties to al qaida and the so called weapons of mass production, but we did make haliburton and KBR wealthy which created all those jobs in Ohio. I’m voting Republican because I enjoy working for minimum wage and at times must choose between a gallon of gas and eating. I’m voting Republican because I love the fact that unemployment is 6.1% nationally and 7.2% in Dayton. I’m voting Republican because it’s unfair that 68% of all corporations doing business in the USA did not have to pay any corporate income taxes and that figure should be raised to 100% of all corporations. I’m voting Republican because I’m flattered to know that Dayton Metro area is on the Forbes Magazine list of top 10 most dying cities at #4 and want to be ranked #1. Yes, I am certainly voting Republican because I do not want money in the bank nor food on my table

By Ecartman

October 3, 2008 12:10 PM | Link to this

JOE BIDEN�S 15 LIES TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted �the exact same way� as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, �Drill we must.� But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to �raping� the Outer Continental Shelf.� TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it�s passage. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he�s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain�s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was �dead wrong on Iraq�, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn�t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn�t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of �part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.� REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan. “The Bush administration let Hezbollah into Lebanon, and then when �we threw them out� Hezbollah�s been there since the early 1980�s of course, blossoming throughout the 1990�s to become now over a third of the population of Lebanon with 2 cabinet members, a host of parliamentarians, and schools, clinics, and basically an entirely separate governance infrastructure in all of southern Lebanon and elsewhere.

By Obama Momma

October 3, 2008 12:05 PM | Link to this

Obama fan….I would expect you to accept a wooden nickel. You support one.

By greg

October 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Link to this

The Republicans new rally cry…. “Maybe our VP candidate isn’t quite as stupid as everyone thought!!!” YEAH

By keeping it real

October 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

To “I’m a Democrat Now” You’ve convinced me…I am now a Democrat also…for the same reasons. BTW I purposely misspelled a word in my earlier post to see if poor Susan would catch it and somewhat redeem herself. Alas, she did not.

By Jartavius Odoms

October 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Link to this

I hate to admit it….but Palin won. I’m still voting for Obama though.

By hjon

October 3, 2008 11:58 AM | Link to this

Gov. Palin held her own in the debate but you need to ask yourself if its 3am and there is a crisis would she be able to handle it. With her answers last night I don’t think she can. Folksy is cute but in a crisis, is that what people look for? In the Wall St. crisis Palin was seen jogging and laying low, not engaged. Also Palin did not completely understand that a VP only votes in case of a tie. Palin would also want more powers for a VP, just like VP Cheney. Palin also misstated a generals name twice.

By TGIF

October 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Link to this

I agree with Diane. What exactly was it? Her experience with bankruptcy and fraud or her ability to try to connect to us average people?

By Diane

October 3, 2008 11:45 AM | Link to this

I would like the Palin lovers to spell out exactly what Palin did that made you feel that she won. Just curious

By I'm A Democrat Now

October 3, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

I am voting Democrat… I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would. I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it. I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people. I’m voting Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius. I’m voting Democrat because I’m not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive. I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as Government sees fit. I’m voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters. I’m voting Democrat because I believe that when the terrorists don’t have to hide from us over there, they will come over here and then we can reason with them… respectfully. I’m voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want… guy, gal, pet, farm critter… whatever (even though we might have to live in California or Massachusetts). I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t.

By bettystone

October 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

It was Joe Biden’s night to remind us of all the right reasons that Obama picked him. It was Sarah Palin’s night to prove to us that choosing her wasn’t the worst choice McCain could have possibly made. Turns out he’s made even worse ones and Biden was impeccable in pointing those out.

By Obama-Fan

October 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Link to this

Why thank you Nobama! I take that as a complement seeing how you were angered by my response. I would have perhaps replied with saying something about how I am wrong and how McSame runs campaign ads about issues that matter but to each his own. Also, I would rather have wooden nickels than no nickels at all- which is what it is looking like. But then again John McSame isn’t voting for it b/c of all the earmarks it contains. Oh wait- yes he is! But didn’t he say….. Oh that’s right a Maverick: an unbranded range animal, especially a motherless calf; but I bet he is going for the other definition. B/c at a time like this we really need a rebel.

By Jesse Brody

October 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

She is nothing but a bad actress. Memorizing irrelevant talking points is not leadership.

By ckh

October 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin won hands down! She was quite refreshing and exactly what Washington needs. She was great! Hank, you’re right Biden needs to “lose that annoying smirk”! He’s not very likeable. He appears to be “all-about-Joe”!

By Ecartman

October 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Link to this

Never mind that no less than 15 of his statements were lies or misrepresentations, at least he answered? You were fed a crap sandwich and said “yum!”

By sla

October 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Palin got a hammered by CBS stooge Katie Couric earlier in the week and she came out last night a kick some Democratic Butt!!! CBS and it’s little darling from the evening news should be ashamed!! I will never watch her news cast again!!! Biden’s poor attempt at crying over his son was nothing more than bad acting!!! Obama better keep his eye on Biden if he does make it to the Whitehouse because I think he wants his job!!! Bottom line is Palin did an awesome job last night!!

By sla

October 3, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Palin got a hammered by CBS stooge Katie Couric earlier in the week and she came out last night a kick some Democratic Butt!!! CBS and it’s little darling from the evening news should be ashamed!! I will never watch her news cast again!!! Biden’s poor attempt at crying over his son was nothing more than bad acting!!! Obama better keep his eye on Biden if he does make it to the Whitehouse because I think he wants his job!!! Bottom line is Palin did an awesome job last night!!

By Robert

October 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Link to this

Biden came across far better than Palin. For starters, he actually answered the questions. Palin avoided the questions whenever she could. In addition, just like that idiot Bush, she couldn’t pronounce the word “nuclear” properly. Now is not the time for another administration of morons.

By keeping it real

October 3, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

Thanks for your input, Susan Gonzalez. I was wondering what type of students our local schools were producing these days, and your post (filled with spelling, capitalization, and puncutation errors) confirms that there is something seriously wrong with our education system today. Either that, or it just proves you are a moron.

By Palin_Rocks

October 3, 2008 10:55 AM | Link to this

Gov. Palin rocked the debate last night. Biden stinks he has no class and looks like a woman hater to me. Go McCain & Palin I am for you 110%.

By rj

October 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Link to this

Gov. Palin won this debate hands down. “Let me say that again,” Gov. Palin won this debate. She was succinct, to the point, and spoke about the future….Biden babbled on and on (which he always does…he’s so impressed with himself). BidenBabble blamed everyone but himself, he’s a big part of the do nothing DemoCongress that likes to point fingers rather than solve problems. He detested Obama during the primary (while HE was a candidate), now he’s just another Obamamama…..my choice is made….McCain/Palin is the winning ticket.

By Ace

October 3, 2008 10:42 AM | Link to this

For everyone that thinks Biden won the debate, just remember everyone thaught he won the Democratic debates against Obama and Clinton. That got him real far didn’t it?

By Buckeye in NC

October 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Link to this

vcross- please jump!

By 300

October 3, 2008 10:30 AM | Link to this

Firstly, the best indication of how the independents and undecided thought was Frank Lutz’s group and response shown on politico. Palin won overwhemingly. To anyone with a brain, the only way 4500 indiviauls have come to anything Cox publishes to respond to a poll is just pathetically non plausible, to wit, the Obama ACORN paid bloggers stuffing your ballot poll box. Palin should have told the world the real truth is the financial meltdown is attributed to the Dems wanting the poor to use food stamps and welfare checks to pay for mortgages all the while Obama was suing the government if Fannie Mae didn’t provide more bad loans to those who couldn’t afford it.

By NOBAMA

October 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Link to this

Obama-Fan: Hmmm, “Well golly gee I hope you aren�t teaching my kids! But I can see why you�re voting for McSame- you an�t focus on the issues- you can only thry to attack one�s intelligence and character.” I think you did a pretty good job of that on your own.

By vcross

October 3, 2008 10:26 AM | Link to this

If Sara Palin refers to American’s as “Joe Six-Pack” one more time, I’ll jump! Is it a fact that the average American is to be reduced to being a ‘six-pack’ drinker? WTF? If you’re a beer drinker, that’s your right, but is that what defines you? She gets on my last nerve. John McCain’s judgment is shady in my book…his VP choice is genius insert sarcasm here. I also loved the way Sara Palin answered everything with “Let’s look at my energy plan…”

By Obama momma

October 3, 2008 10:19 AM | Link to this

All this proves is that Joe Biden knows the game of politics. He is a good politician which equals “a good liar”. Obama is the same. The only thing Obama can run is his mouth. Sarah did well considering the pro-Obama windbag asking the questions crafted her questions to try to trap her. The only change you’ll get with the Obama ticket is wooden nickels.

By sj

October 3, 2008 10:13 AM | Link to this

Typically brain-dead opinions from typical Cox lemmings. The lady was magnificent, and showed how she has actually dealt with and solved REAL issues, while Biden has lanquised in our do-nothing Congress. Both were better than either Obama or McCain. Honestly I liked Mr.Biden also.

By sj

October 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Typically brain-dead opinions from typical Cox lemmings. The lady was magnificent, and showed how she has actually dealt with and solved REAL issues, while Biden has lanquised in our do-nothing Congress. Both were better than either Obama or McCain. Honestly I liked Mr.Biden also.

By Obama-Fan

October 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Link to this

Wow. It’s funny how so many people can watch the same thing and walk away with different perspectives. Sarah Palin was giving a speech last night not a debate. She was very patronizing and her voice was irritating. “You’re darned right.” People say she is just like us- I laugh- unless of course you have a plane in your backyard. Biden did look down at stats but he debated and you could here the sincerity in his voice. All Palin could go back to was energy. McCain has shown his true colors in the past weeks. He has already conceded Michigan to Obama. He has given up on them. He doesn’t give a crap about anyone but himself and what he can do to further himself. He does what he needs to do to win the press for that day. Either he has poor judgement or his campaign manager is purposely trying to lose the election for him. Oh and “Teacher”- I hope you are really not a teacher b/c clearly you are out of touch with what has been going on and if you actually think that McCain is going to win after the last 2 weeks he has had? You’re wrong and need to brush up on a good dose of reality. Well golly gee I hope you aren’t teaching my kids! But I can see why you’re voting for McSame- you an’t focus on the issues- you can only thry to attack one’s intelligence and character.

By susanne

October 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

Even Palin said she’s only been at this for 5 weeks. She dodged important questions, offered platitudes and false information, and clearly prepared and rehearsed answers. She doesn’t even know enough to know that she does not know enough!

By Luke

October 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Link to this

I’m also surprised to learn how her AK constituents don’t recognize her, from her new accent to her scripted talk. From an educator’s perspective, point-for-point, she failed miserably. From a political view, I thought she did well; her party should be relieved. But what’s significant, for the undecided who were listening, this is final nail in the coffin for the McCain campaign.

By susanne

October 3, 2008 10:07 AM | Link to this

Even Palin said she’s only been at this for 5 weeks. She dodged important questions, offered platitudes and false information, and clearly prepared and rehearsed answers. She doesn’t even know enough to know that she does not know enough!

By Luke

October 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Wow. It was clear to me something’s wrong with that gal. I’m surprised though that the regular folk, the ones that I would expect to buy into that “straight talk/ USA #1” mantra saw right through it too.

By justmom

October 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Link to this

Kat Did you know that under the Clinton administration, abortions in this country went down significantly?. Education is the key. The good lord expects tollerance and understanding. How about we help these poor soals. We can find a middle ground

By life

October 3, 2008 9:54 AM | Link to this

The question is who won. Biden won being able to answer the questions asked. Palin just kept providing over and over her script speech about energy, taxes, and mavericks. She really scares me to step into the Presidency if the old man McCain should ever croak. I am sad that people will not vote for Obama/Biden because of the race card. I am not sure if Law Enforcement Protection stats are correct about blacks, but we Americans have had a hand on these effects on this race. I hate to bring up the slavery issue and how we tore the black family apart. Abraham Lincoln (Republican) saw the necessity to treat this race as humans and not animals. This race fought hard to be able to vote and I am so happy to see America has come to terms to be able to overlook the black issue and see the person they can be. Obama may have made a mistake with drugs, but he came clean about it and didn�t try to cover it up. I think he is a good role model for every race and allows people to see there are dreams (Martin Luther King) and dreams can be obtain. I feel these two people can be diplomats to change the perception of the world from being cowboys to a world class and respectable country. I am fortunate to live in a country that can have a black person as a Presidential candidate and a female as a Vice Presidential candidate. McCain has a lot of skeletons in his closet and I am sure Palin does too. Palin needs to have more years and experience in politics so she is not a Washington outsider and understand all the issues, so she is able to answer them.

By Kat

October 3, 2008 9:52 AM | Link to this

For “Justmom”…Do you think Jesus is in favor of abortion?!?

By Greg

October 3, 2008 9:50 AM | Link to this

McCain has bent over backwards to appeal to the fringe element of the party while taking moderate republicans for granted. Palin is an example; she is not a good choice for VP or President. The McCain/Pallin approach to deregulation and being pro-business over the issues of economy, security, environment and healthcare would make our economy and lives even less stable. After the crash of 1929, the financial sector became regulated. We had relatively steady growth until Reagan de-regulated it in the 1980s. We had the biggest crash since 1929 in 1987. Since then our economy has been “Boom and Bust”. Which is great for the rich who can weather the storms but bad for the rest of us. Due to deregulation we have lost pensions, benefits and yes, even our jobs. Biden understands this and wants to help people who make up the bulk of corporate functionality. Palin doesn’t care and wants to help corporate execs who will simply move on to the next gross money-making scheme. I’m voting Democratic for many good reasons.

By Rick Millward

October 3, 2008 9:45 AM | Link to this

I read as much comments as I could tolerate; Sara Palin came across as a scripted little girl who in body language and tone of voice bowed to the fatherly Senator Biden who has volumes of experience, insight, diplomatic approach to government and would make an excellent Vice President to President Barack Obama who rather than being a socialist is a very fine Christian!! I find it telling whenever I hear a republican call a democrat socialist when they really mean they stand up for the poor, elderly, widowed and young.

By Mike Overhaus

October 3, 2008 9:41 AM | Link to this

BIDEN: Complained about “economic policies of the last eight years” that led to “excessive deregulation.” THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse. BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage “will go straight to the insurance company.” THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it’s meant to pay for insurance. That’s like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer. BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and “wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut.” THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it’s misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn’t single out any one industry for that benefit. BIDEN: “As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry.” THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: “Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation.” BIDEN: “The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she’s referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way.” THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush’s tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.

By Amanda

October 3, 2008 9:40 AM | Link to this

Though she did better than I expected her to, it was obvious that Palin had memorized a lot of the information she was giving up there. Also I thought all of her “Well golly gee I’m just a Washington outsider” comments were patronizing. I was hoping to watch a presidential debate, not a beauty pageant. As much as I don’t like Biden it was obvious he is far more prepared for this job than her. I dunno, I was republican-leaning but I can’t in good-mind vote for a ticket that presents the possibility that such an unaware neophyte could become president.

By Ricky Boyd

October 3, 2008 9:33 AM | Link to this

nursecilla: You ask who has cheat cards? Joe Biden had cheat cards, he didn’t take his eyes off of them all night. Hahahaha…silly liberal.

By justmom

October 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

What would Jesus do? That is how I am going to vote. My heart tells me he would take care of the sick, the poor, the elderly. He would not be for a war about oil. Jesus would not want tax breaks for the rich. Jesus would vote democrat and so will I

By What

October 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Link to this

I think that okay is the only one who has said anything worth reading!!!

By Tyrone Mendenhall

October 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Link to this

Resounding victory for Palin, who really related to the American people, and showed the inconsistencies of Biden and Obama. As a life-long Democrat I have to admit I have finally been swayed. I read this morning that Biden was false on about 10 issues last night, and that is really, really disappointing. My vote is going to McCain and there are scores of other Democrats that will be following my lead I a sure.

By To Alarmed

October 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

First thing I would vote either way for the best “person” not party lines..that being said, you stated “We have not changed our lifestyle and are careful with planning and budgets, and the last time we could breathe the least bit easy, Clinton was in office.”….umm I guess you think that 911 plans started the day Bush took the office? Trust me it would have taken place who ever was president…do you think they would have said oh sorry will will not come back again,to hurt the USA? I would think that you was not the only one that could “Breathe” easier… while Clinton was in office…I am sure as he was taking care of “stiffer” ideas he,the plane highjackers, Ms.M,and any others involved in evil acts could too. Do you think anyone can do a “quick fix” for the actions that have “failed” our country while 911 was being planned,and after it was carried out? It will take time and all of us will feel the crunch…I know when I was younger I had to “wait” if I wanted something bad enough…there is no magic promise that is going to make us breathe easier…just ask one of the guys in Iraq that is not ready to let go of the idea yet…he will have a vision of 72 virgins and be worshiped…. til our job is done….he too was able to”Breathe” easier while Clinton was in office…trust me our sons and daughters husbands and wives was not breathing down his neck then…he knew where our president was and what we was all talking about….the guy “Breathing” easier during the after hour desk meetings….of course there we go again..two people in the white house”Breathing easier”…most do after that act…unless you don’t think it is sex? I too had better times,more money,and less fears….but ask anyone who lost a loved one to 911 or the war….they would take our hard times in a second…then the loss. I am proud of our military..and I know that the job they are doing anywhere in the world makes me “Breathe” easier…even if I have to go through lay offs,less money and hard times….sit down and talk to the elderly..they will tell you nothing comes easy after hard times or life changing events…you just may have to do like they did…and wait for the better times..nothing last forever

By nursecilla

October 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Link to this

Palin deflected/ignored/or couldn’t answer most questions. Yeah she is a soccer mom, but does that make her a good candidate for VP? No! Plus who has cheat cards at a debate for VP?? That should tell you she doesn’t know ANYTHING!!!

By I Don't Care

October 3, 2008 9:27 AM | Link to this

It was a waste of air time. Palin was a robot. Biden was too cautious. I think if he had been debating a man he would not have been as careful- or “gentlemanly”. I’ve heard more heated debates in the ladies’ room at work.

By Concerned citizen

October 3, 2008 9:17 AM | Link to this

I still have a couple of issues with Palin’s performance that make me question her abilities to be 2nd in line for the Presidency… a) how many times can you use the word ‘maverick’ and it still work for you? b) by her own admission ‘I have only been doing this for 5 weeks’ c) a wink, a smile, darn right… isn’t going to get you very far in a position of power with our country and foreign nations. Also, we say ‘who won’ as if this is the debate club at school. That should not be the question. The question should be who do you believe could be the President if somethings happens to the #1. Definitely NOT Palin… Biden yes.

By kimberland

October 3, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Sarah is clearly not a socialist. McCain isn’t either. Obama is, and it looks like Biden is going along with him. I am voting anti-socialist this year.

By obvious

October 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Link to this

It has been the general consensus this morning that Palin won on style and Biden won on substance. Odd that Biden would be given the nod for substance when he made at least a dozen assertions regarding voting records that are, as a matter of public record, factually incorrect. Check it out for yourself.

By mjc

October 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Palin spoke, eye to eye, to the people. Biden spoke, eyes down, to the liberal press and the liberal moderator. How could any sane person think Sarah Palin did not win?

By Chris

October 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Tracey, Most of americans are naive.

By Chris

October 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Link to this

Tracey, Most of americans are naive.

By Tracey

October 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Link to this

A flash of a smile and a wink of an eye and polished, scripted answers don’t sway my opinion of Sarah Palin. She is mostly gloss, little substance as far as being qualified to be VP and possibly President. It’s insulting to me that she and her handlers think that the American people are so naive.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 8:49 AM | Link to this

What is killing this election is people’s blind partisonship to this election. Everyone wants to lean right or lean left. Look at the issues!!! Be factual. Investigate what they say instead of liking someone because they make you FEEL good about something and just taking them at their word. Palin missed some facts, but Biden missed some flat yes or no facts. By the AP fact check, Biden “misrepresented” more times than Palin. If people cannot be truthful about facts that happened in the past (that we can go back and check) how can you expect them to be truthful about the future? Palin didn’t answer, because she might not have honestly knew…. I respect that she didn’t lie just so she could answer.

By former buckeye

October 3, 2008 8:42 AM | Link to this

Come on Ohio, get it right! Women are jealous of Palin because she is beautiful, smart,and has more experience than nobama, (the community organizer).Obama will cause the war to turn to disaster if he leads…. We cant afford another 9-11. How can you want him in charge of the War?? Wake up Ohio! It is evident, we need McCains experience for these next 4 very critical years. Do your research…How much more dirty money will come out that Obama has his hands in??? Palin is the real deal, go Hockey Mom!

By Chris

October 3, 2008 8:36 AM | Link to this

Most of these comments just don’t make sense. Sara has a 80% approval rating in Alaska, means something to me and should mean something to you. She has a history of working for the people. Obama/Binden will make us just like Europe, write it down it will happen. Biden is a lier and if your looking for Change electing Obama the only change you will have is bigger Government, handouts, and loss of freedoms, oh wait that is what most of you want.. silly me. U American’s will get what you deserve you’ll see when your taxes go up and the government in your back pocket. Don’t be blind,,,,,,,,,heck who am I kidding, this is amercans that spend most of there time in front of a TV bowing down to so called stars… Thanks for the laugh because you are all losers and the world is laughing at you…..

By Alarmed by the economy

October 3, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

We live in a society where the middle class are the new poor. Had I just dated my husband instead of marrying him, we could have had our children without all of the debt that we now face. If you attempt to live the standard American Dream righteously (i.e. pursue education, get married, buy a home)you are penalized at a much higher cost for attempting to do the right thing than all of the “ball droppers” who were never fully interested in diligently staying the course. A commitment to decency and hard work now means little, and the working class are house poor and drowning in student loan and credit card debts that they cannot even begin to repay with meager salaries at low paying jobs. I don’t pretend to have any answers, but what I do know is this… We have not changed our lifestyle and are careful with planning and budgets, and the last time we could breathe the least bit easy, Clinton was in office. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is simply the best choice. Vote democrat.

By Biden Lied 14 Times

October 3, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Joe Biden’s 14 Lies TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted �the exact same way� as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, �Drill we must.� But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to �raping� the Outer Continental Shelf.� TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it�s passage. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he�s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain�s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was �dead wrong on Iraq�, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn�t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn�t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of �part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.� REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

By Alarmed by the economy

October 3, 2008 8:26 AM | Link to this

We live in a society where the middle class are the new poor. Had I just dated my husband instead of marrying him, we could have had our children without all of the debt that we now face. If you attempt to live the standard American Dream righteously (i.e. pursue education, get married, buy a home)you are penalized at a much higher cost for attempting to do the right thing than all of the “ball droppers” who were never fully interested in diligently staying the course. A commitment to decency and hard work now means little, and the working class are house poor and drowning in student loan and credit card debts that they cannot even begin to repay with meager salaries at low paying jobs. I don’t pretend to have any answers, but what I do know is this… We have not changed our lifestyle and are careful with planning and budgets, and the last time we could breathe the least bit easy, Clinton was in office. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is simply the best choice. Vote democrat.

By Law Enforcement Protection

October 3, 2008 8:24 AM | Link to this

Wes, You democrats need to take a look at yourselves. You are responsible for the biggest bailout in history. Your Barney Frank and his gang of thieves refused to permit greater oversight and now you’ve cost us almost a trillion bux. That sits squarely on your party’s shoulders. We can go back through history and prove that each party has idiots, thieves and murderers. We can prove that your party had KKK elected leaders, that your party members drowned women in cars and on and on. Your party is promoting an admitted criminal user of drugs who has not accomplished diddly in his life besides writing 2 books about himself as the leader of the free world. If John McCain had attended a church that had a white preacher as violently racist as your guy the screeching would be heard around the world. If John McCain associated with terrorists who tried to kill cops and servicemen your party would still be screaming like little girls about it. BUT you expect us to accept that nObama isn’t who he associates with? Nope, you are known by the company you keep and nObama, is a dope smoking, cocaine using, felony committing criminal who associates with like minded criminals and racists. Sarah Palin is not one of them and that pisses you liberals off. She and her husband have held jobs, they have had to support staff, they have been accountable. They aren’t criminal, they don’t associate with the KKK. Steve, you are a zit on the rear end of man kind. I’m sure someone else is taking care of your girlfriend. Do people still call Dope pot? That’s so yesterday. Cops are tools? Agents of oppression? Steve, let me ask you how many lives have you saved? How many crimes against your fellow citizens have you stopped? How many times have you stood between the weak and the predator? I am betting none, never and that you couldn’t do it. I can tell you are a supporter of anarchists and the other filth who don’t appreciate cops. Have fun with that Steve, when someone rapes your girlfriend call one of your anarchist buddies to help her out.

By Juliette

October 3, 2008 8:12 AM | Link to this

Palin may be viewed as charming to some, but she came across as simply ignorant in my mind as I watched the debate unfold. I’ll give her this much, she managed to keep a relatively calm exterior and a plastic smile plastered on her face as Biden provided detailed and solid answers compared to her canned/scripted phrases. She reminded me of a Barbie doll; pretty to look at, but not a person to be taken seriously in either a national or an international arena. That’s what frightens me most about her being a potential VP. She may feel comfortable talking about “down-home” topics that concern apparently only soccer moms and “Six-Pack Joe”, but when it comes down to how Washington works and being fluent in international affairs, she has nothing. I found her folksy style insulting. She may be too ignorant to know who the commanding general is in Afghanistan, but that doesn’t mean the American people are. She wants to present herself as someone who comprehends the hardships of the middle-class, but the truth of the matter is that her ability to relate to my family’s “kitchen table discussions” is just as distant (if not more so) than Biden’s or Obama’s. In the end, Biden came across as a leader who could handle the duties of being VP (if nothing else, he at least knows what the US Constitution says about the executive powers of the VP). Palin needs to grow-up in the political arena for a few more years before she’s even remotely mature enough to understand and handle the politics of this nation let alone have any say in foreign affairs.

By marylou

October 3, 2008 8:09 AM | Link to this

I vote for Palin but it really doesn’t matter, neither one is going to fix anything, they have to raise taxes to get us out of this recession and if they say not and you believe them then you are dumber than they are.How is Palin-mccain, biden-obama going to help the people of HAMILTON, OHIO you think they even think about us here in this little town .Probably not….I think we have bigger problems in this country when a illegal mexican can rape one of our children, and another illegal mexican can shoot a girl in an alley and get away with it….They should send them all back to the border…At Job and Family services they are getting help which should be ours who was borned here in Hamilton.They fill up there grocery carts three or four carts and pull out 100.00 bills and pay, when the elder and children are going hungary…What is wrong with this town…Hamilton whats up and why does it go on???????

By Law Enforcement Protection

October 3, 2008 8:06 AM | Link to this

luvtaymae you prove my point. Threaten to kill me? Great, scary little idiot aren’t you? It’s a fact, blacks commit a disproportionately larger amount of crime and they represent a much higher percentage of the prison population than other races. Hate the facts, don’t threaten the person pointing it out. I assume from your violent response that you are among that minority. Clean up your races act will you please. nObama hasn’t held a real job, community organizer? Whoopee! The first thing he did when he got in the senate was to begin running for president. He is a laughable self aggrandizing idiot who associates with criminals and racists and you democrats cannot point to a single thing that he has done that makes him suitable for the job of president. nObama is from Chicago, it’s filled with criminals and short of DC probably the worst run city in the states. He didn’t do anything worthwhile there and he has done less in the senate. He’s a jerk. Joe Biden would have been a much better candidate than that moron.

By Jim

October 3, 2008 8:03 AM | Link to this

I feel sorry for the people who are having trouble seeing through the charade of Sarah Palin. She can remember the canned answers and her talking points, but past that, she’s clueless. It’s become clear that John McCain made a horrible selection in choosing the Alaskan Governor as she is obviously in over her head. Palin might be credible if she valued knowledge as much as blind ambition. If McCain were to be elected, having Sarah Palin as VP would be a risk this country can’t afford.

By osama obama

October 3, 2008 8:02 AM | Link to this

you poor stupit fools really love to be lied to don’t you.

By ME

October 3, 2008 7:58 AM | Link to this

She had him looking like a deer in headlights a few times…..he needs to get his facts straight before opening his mouth…oh but then again so does his running mate!!!!

By leetz

October 3, 2008 7:56 AM | Link to this

Independent undecided here. Palin I thought did decent but I think you have to be blind to think that she actually won. Biden was on the top of his game. She actually was pulling ahead early, I felt, but then when the talk turned to foreign affairs, Biden destroyed her. I don’t see how anyone could see it differently. Plus she dodged questions, which is a no-no in these times where the American people are looking for answers. I’m not sure how people could think she won the debate when she didn’t even answer all the questions. Don’t confuse liking her better with actually winning the debate.

By Sarah Wins

October 3, 2008 7:46 AM | Link to this

She owned this whole debate. THe spin that she did not answer Bidens question is out there. She was there to get the public to know what she stands for and SHE DID! A check of the facts this morning shows she was right every time she called JOE out on giving wrong information

By Vincent

October 3, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

What a joke. the woman has only been in politics for six years. Her side stepping of the issues and use of frazes like “you betcha” is laughable. We want the world to take us seriously don’t we? Oh yeah how do her and McCains policies differ from the current addminastration? Don’t know, she couldn’t tell you. She couldnt have had time to even put together a plan in the short time she has been involved in this race since a littl more than a month. She is more dangerous than a nuke or a terrorist.

By To All

October 3, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

FYI:Democrats run most major Cities,Counties,States not to mention Congress and look where it has gotten us no where.All ways blaming republicans Wake up people

By Vincent

October 3, 2008 7:45 AM | Link to this

What a joke. the woman has only been in politics for six years. Her side stepping of the issues and use of frazes like “you betcha” is laughable. We want the world to take us seriously don’t we? Oh yeah how do her and McCains policies differ from the current addminastration? Don’t know, she couldn’t tell you. She couldnt have had time to even put together a plan in the short time she has been involved in this race since a littl more than a month. She is more dangerous than a nuke or a terrorist.

By Larry

October 3, 2008 7:40 AM | Link to this

Senator Joe Biden had ONE task in the debate. Don’t do anything to look sexist. This Debate was ALL about Gov. Sara Palin. She needed to show the US she is prepared to be the Vice President of the United States. She did this with flying colors. Both did what they were supposed to do. Since this was about Gov. Palin, and she performed perfectly, she was the winner!

By kurt

October 3, 2008 7:36 AM | Link to this

Joe Biden is the best candidate of all four.The only thing Republicans can throw out there is FEAR.Well,I’ve seen the last 8 years and it brought more than enough fears and tears—-bring government BACK to the street,vote DEMOCRAT !!!!McCain will spend money like a drunken sailor !!! he may be a social liberal,but he’s still a lying cheating Republican’t

By kurt

October 3, 2008 7:30 AM | Link to this

Dear “tired of handing out freebies”—we ALREADY have natiional health-care.Public workers AND those on welfare are enjoying it—and the middle class is paying for it.Stand UP to government and EXPECT what they’re getting—they work for YOU not vice versus

By JLM

October 3, 2008 7:26 AM | Link to this

Did anyone notice that the Palin’s handed over their infant son to their 5 or 6 year-old daughter after the debate? That poor little girl about dropped the baby trying to carry it up the steps. Focus on your family Sarah, stay out of politics, help your little girl raise your baby!! Sarah Palin is a joke and should have never accepted the nomination.

By Jennifer H

October 3, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this

Susan, I think your comments reflect intelligence, and involvement. I am thrilled that 18 year-olds are taking the time and effort to watch the debates and form opinions.

By Jennifer H

October 3, 2008 7:24 AM | Link to this

Susan, I think your comments reflect intelligence, and involvement. I am thrilled that 18 year-olds are taking the time and effort to watch the debates and form opinions.

By notagoodwoman

October 3, 2008 7:22 AM | Link to this

I like when the dummy said Obiden. I guess hes irish now. What a moron, like bushy.

By greg

October 3, 2008 7:18 AM | Link to this

i was undecided not now i think sarah is one of us and will help the working people and biden sounded like just old washington…..

By Jettie

October 3, 2008 7:05 AM | Link to this

You would have to be a very selfish person to vote for John McCain. For most people, the U.S. is a worst place to live than before Bush and it will continue to get worst with McCain. Over 4000 young men and women have died in a war that was not necessary. Those lives can’t be brought back and McCain would like to leave us in harm’s way. Think America!!

By gotitright

October 3, 2008 7:01 AM | Link to this

Biden showed that he is a liar last night. Typical democrat on full display for the American people.

By JM

October 3, 2008 7:00 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin acted like a talking-head. A scripted puppet that has been coached to death. God help us if she makes it to the White House. I think she needs to stay home and take care of her “family drama.” Raise your teenage daughter’s baby, don’t try to help run our country!!

By Chas.

October 3, 2008 6:51 AM | Link to this

Based on her non-answer answers, Sarah should be running for homecoming queen, not vice president of the United States.

By tamera

October 3, 2008 6:37 AM | Link to this

I VOTE FOR Neither…I VOTE FOR JESUS CHRIST..

By okay

October 3, 2008 6:36 AM | Link to this

Obamababy, you have NO CLUE what kind of dirty politics, corruption and outright criminality that has been the mainstay of Chicago politicians for decades,is where your substance-addicted holy lord master was puked from. Or maybe you do and you just don’t care - the “youth” of our country will lead us on the path to destruction by ignoring the glaring faults of the person they’re blindly worshiping like a God, rather than objectively seeking what is best for the country that gave them the best upbringing they could dream of by supporting those who are TRULY qualified to SERVE US - instead of themselves. For those “youth” who have never made any serious decisions in their entire lives up to this point, they’re not qualified to make this decision of the utmost importance for me and my country, as is obvious by their cult like behavior and obtuse adoration regarding this con artist carnival hawker in a clown suit, Obama. I am ashamed to be a Democrat this election year.

By Mike

October 3, 2008 6:12 AM | Link to this

Sarah Palin just proved how disastrously unqualified she is. She barely addressed the questions at all, and certainly did not debate. She merely recited the slogans and “talking points” she had learned, like a robot.

By Jay

October 3, 2008 6:11 AM | Link to this

I think Susan should learn how to spell “deserve” before attacking someone for how they pronounce “nuclear”.

By Tired of handing freebies out

October 3, 2008 5:33 AM | Link to this

Yeah lets all vote for Obama so he can help give out more government freebies. The welfare system is the biggest BS in the world. Everyone needs to contribute something to society instead of leaching off of it. Universal Healthcare is great idea but how is it going to be paid for? Is everyone including and I mean everyone going to help contribute to the cost?? No!!!

By Bruce

October 3, 2008 4:53 AM | Link to this

Hey Mark the MORON, the whole point is that Palin IS NOT a “politician” She is a regular citizen called to serve her city and state and now her country in government. If you remember from your history class, our founding fathers were farmers, lawyers, shop owners, traders (REGUALR CITIZENS) before they got into the business of government. The problem in Washington now is we have too many professional politicians and not enought regular citizens like Palin. Regular citizens running the country and NOT corrupt career politicians, NOW THATS REAL CHANGE. You can stay home on election day too you idiot.

By luvtaymae

October 3, 2008 4:38 AM | Link to this

Law enforcement protection you are an idiot. Mr. Obama is a senator( the last time I checked that’s a job), a civil right attorney as well as a college professor. All that’s he’s done is probably more than you’ll ever do. What is your source stating that blacks commit the most crimes the evening news? That’s the problem with Washington, law enforcement and the justice system today they discriminate and run their own agendas. And apparently America agrees with me because Obama is leading in the polls. You must be in that 40% of white Americans polled that view blacks unfavorably huh? Well you better smoke some more of that crystal meth you’re smoking cause a black man is going to run the country!! If you are in law enforcement I wish I had your picture to pass along to the many black criminals so they can prove your stats right. Bang Bang!!!

By Bruce

October 3, 2008 4:16 AM | Link to this

Susan -you are only 18 AND you need figure out that you only need to click on the “Post your comment” button ONCE!! John McCain could figure that out and he doesn’t even know how to use a computer! Not only are you a MORON politically, but your computer skills are sorely lacking as well. Get a Leap Frog and practice and stay home on election day because you’re too stupid to vote for the next leader of the free world.

By ObamaBaby

October 3, 2008 3:37 AM | Link to this

Ronald Reagan is turning over in his grave. The Republican party is bankrupt morally and ethically. Power at any cost. That’s the new GOP motto. Obama is going to win by such a huge margin it will blow everyone away. If you are white and over 55, it’s to bad you won’t have the courage to vote for Obama. It won’t make a difference anyways. The youth of America are going to get rid of you rotten apples.

By okay

October 3, 2008 3:06 AM | Link to this

Just out of curiosity, how many of you would hire someone who admitted to snorting cocaine & smoking pot to be the CEO of your multi-million dollar company? How many of you would trust someone who left his wheelchair bound wife and children for a mega-rich power player to send your kids to war? Neither one of them is qualified to tell ANY of us how our country “should” be run.

By Hank

October 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Link to this

Gov. Palin had distinctly better public speaking skills. Sen. Biden vaunted debating skills are bogus. If the Media were not so bias they would take him to task for constantly looking down, for failing to maintain eye contact, and for his stiff, inanimate delivery. While speaking, Gov. Palin referred to her notes much less than Sen.Biden did. She maintained eye contact much of the time, and was much more expressive and animated.

By okay

October 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Link to this

Who won? The question should be how could Americans with any pride or patriotism allow ANY of the 4 candidates to actually have a chance at the 2 most important jobs in the country? We are doomed - NONE of these 4 clowns have any business in elected office - you have ALL become sheeple for the media who has done your choosing for you. We have a drug snorting racist on one hand and a senile lap dog on the other. Americans have slipped off the precipice of rational thought by putting our faith in EITHER of these two con artists. We will get exactly what we deserve for such stupidity.

By Susan Gonzalez

October 3, 2008 2:42 AM | Link to this

Im only 18, but i try to be on top of what is going on to be a responsible voter and i enjoyed watching the debate. Its interesting to see how the voting on here differs from the polls on the wall street journal because the majority of voters on there thing palin won the debate…of course they are terribly wrong!! Biden by far won, he atleast tryed to answer the question, whereas mrs palin over there repeatedly went off into answering her own questions (that really pissed me off A LOT). Also, i think the least we decerve from our next candidates is that they know how to say “nuclear,” and even that is too hard for her to do. I am proud of biden for acknowledging that she was correct on VERY few instances and for not verbally beating her down like he EASILY could have done :) OBAMA/BIDEN ‘08

By Stranded Wind

October 3, 2008 2:26 AM | Link to this

Palin is completely inept, while Biden could step into the Oval Office tomorrow and discharge the duties associated with the job. The Republicans lost me in ‘04 and they’re not getting me back with these antics.

By Mark Hoffman

October 3, 2008 2:20 AM | Link to this

I am not sure what debate some people were watching. Sarah Palin is the single most inept “politician” I have ever seen, and does NOT belong in the White House or ANY public office. She is obviously out of her league of hockey moms and joe six packs. She cannot think on her feet and the fact that McCain picked her shows incredibly poor and downright dangerous judgment. She has NO grasp of the issues other than the “party line drivel” the Republicans spew constantly and speaks with the tone of most Republicans; the old ’ let me tell you poor misguided souls how the world really works and how the “liberal media” is poisoning your minds with such crazy talk like ‘global warming’!” If McCain and this idiot are elected, California should secede from the Union!

By Moderate

October 3, 2008 1:59 AM | Link to this

Biden�s a weak stage performer, but at least he answered the questions (usually). Palin always went off on some semi-prepared statement regardless of what Ifill asked. Shame on Ifill for letting these candidates go off-topic so easily. Palin needed a solid, substantive performance tonight to assuage fears that she�s in over her head, but in the end I thought she came up short. She was OK the first 30 minutes, but then ran out of talking points, and started randomly misfiring and repeating herself. After a lousy start, Biden was strong on foreign policy and on the economic travails of working- and middle-class Americans. He seemed genuinely choked up talking about his own family struggles, and Palin seemed really awkward responding to that. Who�d have thought it�d be Biden that seemed more authentic? I have to give the advantage to him tonight.

By cowalker

October 3, 2008 1:56 AM | Link to this

I’m pleased that Governor Palin has made it clear that she is in favor of taxing the windfall profits of oil companies and that she believes that comitted gay couples should have exactly the same legal rights as married heterosexual couples. Brilliant of her to clear up those issues.

By cowalker

October 3, 2008 1:48 AM | Link to this

What is a “constant maverick” anyway? Is it someone who is perverse but predictably so, therefore allowing others to predict just when he will go all mavericky and non-partisan? Hint: It’s whenever he doesn’t actually have to vote against the administration when his vote would count.

By bonnetteblj

October 3, 2008 1:40 AM | Link to this

Gov. Palin danced around issues and never really answered with any details, just like she did in her previous interviews. She has no depth in national or international affairs. Senator Biden has extensive experience…26 years in Congress, Head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Member of the Senate Judicial Committee. Senator Biden had no problem answering all questions with detailed answers. It is apparent that anyone listening to the issues will vote for Obama/Biden as they have the interests of Americans at heart. McCain/Palin will continue the failed policies of the Bush Admin. and give tax cuts to corporations, oil companies and millionaires, not the people who really need them. The only people who will vote for McCain/Palin will be single issue voters (pro-life), people who are not really listening to the issues or people who will never vote for a black man for President. These people will not come out and say that is the reason, they will use tonight debate to say Palin is qualified.

By yumyum

October 3, 2008 1:39 AM | Link to this

Biden won hands down. I am a Obama supporter, but I was very happy to see Palin to do such a good job. I felt sorry for her in the interviews with Couric. Like I said Biden won, but Palin delivered a pretty good performance.

By Joe

October 3, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

Definitely have to go with Biden. He had quite a bit more substance. You could tell he actually knew what he was talking about. Palin was sticking to rehearsed scripts. She ignored the questions most of the time so she could try to spit out the scripts. She needs to learn how to say nuclear. There is only one “u” in that word. Also, bravo on Biden for calling her out on the maverick comments. I’m getting sick of hearing that word.

By null

October 3, 2008 1:29 AM | Link to this

This is censorship. I’ll be calling the DDN tomorrow to find out which loser blocked my comments 4 times. Thanks for embarrassing me by letting my first censorship post though. That Obama is a douchbag name is offensive to me and you let it through.

By Dave

October 3, 2008 1:18 AM | Link to this

Maria, it is obvious that you are no Republican but instead a Liberal Democrat claiming to be so in the hope that some may be persuaded. We see through the ruse. Oh, perhaps I should claim I am a Democrat. .

By bigdaddyzeus

October 3, 2008 1:14 AM | Link to this

Justin, your comments reign sanity. These other posters(like “lethal enforcer” or whatever the hell your name is) do not comprehend the ideology of the real facts of what is going on with this country. The are willing to sell their opinion of the state of the nation just because that is what “faux” news is telling them to. This is why I consider 24% of the nation to be complete idiots and very gullible(*see bush’s approval rating). This is the very worst state our country has EVER been in and they are willing to forsake the importance of that just to be considered “right” in their own opnion. Damn, I think I must just pack it up and move to Mexico where there are jobs. Adios, suckers!!!

By Wes

October 3, 2008 1:10 AM | Link to this

Law Enforcement Protection - we could always rely on corrupt Republicans to fix things for us, eh? Bob Ney (conspiracy to defraud the U.S.), J. Steven Griles (obstruction of justice), Tom Delay (campaign finance fraud), Scott Muschany (sexual assault 14y/o girl), Byron Looper (murdered his election opponent), Thomas Druce (DUI, leaving the scene, killed pedestrian, tampering with evidence), Thomas Ravenel (possession of narcotics), Bob Taft (state ethics laws for failing to report gifts)… The list goes on and on and on, but I think you get the point. Do you honestly believe that we are any better off electing your GOP party of criminals?

By Maria

October 3, 2008 1:09 AM | Link to this

Biden Won and Palin once again Failed. American people are much smarter than average six pack Joe. Palin smudge remark comment towards Sen. Joe Biden…Wake up people…this so call Mother a heart beat away if she think we are going to allow her to handle our Country she is just as insane as McCain…Hell NO we do not want a scripted rehearse little town girl running this country…and I am a republican…I am scared as hell about her no answering simple questions and her wrinking at the camera like we are her husband…she needs to get a clue and know the American people are not going to tolerate another 4 more years of Mcsame Bushit period! Say anit so Sarah…(grow up) We are sick and of the right wing games!!!

By Meg

October 3, 2008 1:08 AM | Link to this

Sen.Biden tears up in debate. Instead of focusing on the issues at hand, he turns the debate into maudlin theatre. Maybe he was trying to garner the sympathy vote.

By steve

October 3, 2008 1:05 AM | Link to this

Hey if not Bob ney then how about Alberto Gonzalez. LOL!

By Jim

October 3, 2008 1:05 AM | Link to this

NE1 count how many times Sarah said the word “Surge” ? It’s like when she didn’t know the answer…uh SURGE! Just like McPain said in his debate. Biden was clearly the winner.

By Alice

October 3, 2008 1:02 AM | Link to this

Can we get this woman a role in a sitcom? She’d make a great character on a TV show.

By Wes

October 3, 2008 12:59 AM | Link to this

Law Enforcement Protection - we could always rely on corrupt Republicans to fix things for us, eh? Perhaps, Bob Ney

By asnevitt

October 3, 2008 12:53 AM | Link to this

Palin wants more power for the VP?! She wants to continue the Cheney trajectory?! That’s a non-starter. She talks about reform, but when she talks about the role of the VP she conjures up images of secrecy and a further erosion of our constitutional rights. That’s just not going to sell. Also, her staged attempts at being folksy and connecting to people were all erased by the cold, inhuman lack of response to Biden’s very emotional moment when talking about the losses in his family. She may connect with the camera, but she doesn’t connect to an actual human being. We’re in 2 wars and an economic crisis of epic proportion. We don’t need to see if she can be feisty and nasty. We need to see if she bring a sense of soothing, thoughtful, well-informed leadership. We don’t care if she can memorize talking points.

By steve

October 3, 2008 12:52 AM | Link to this

Dope? Do people still call pot that? Is it 1955? Oh wait look who I am responding too. How many blacks have you framed? they drug war is the biggest war against its own people any country has undertaken and you and all the “law enforcement agents” Are tools of a war on people and a way of life. You sir are the problem. Open up your eyes and maybe you will realize that you have too much power and are an agent of oppression. I am awakened you are blind! By the way I am zit free have a beautiful girlfriend work hard at my job and care for all people of the world.

By Law Enforcement Protection

October 3, 2008 12:50 AM | Link to this

Perhaps the U.S. should pull out of Chicago? Body count: In the last six months 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago; 221 killed in Iraq. Sens. Barack Obama & Dick Durbin, Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., Gov. Rod Blogojevich, House leader Mike Madigan, Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike), Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley) …..our leadership in Illinois…..all Democrats. Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago. Of course, they’re all blaming each other. Can’t blame Republicans; they’re aren’t any here! State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country. Cook County (Chicago) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look ‘em up if you want). Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country. This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois. And he’s gonna ‘fix’ Washington politics for us!

By Law Enforcement Protection

October 3, 2008 12:47 AM | Link to this

Justin, NEWS FLASH, Joe isn’t running for President, he’s running for president and you’re supporting former cocaine using, doper smoker who runs with terrorists and racists and who’d never had a real job other than pounding posters on telephone poles and running for public office. He’s from the worst city in the country, ruined that place and is trying to ruin the country. You do realize that right?

By Wes

October 3, 2008 12:46 AM | Link to this

Justin, I could not have put it any better. Bravo! There is no way to spin this folks - it was painful to watch Palin. Not only do I question her qualifications as a vice presidential candidate… I am now beginning to question if she is qualified to be governor of Alaska.

By Law Enforcement Protection

October 3, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

Steve, if it wasn’t for the minority population in the county most cops would be out of a job. That’s not racist you moron it’s the facts. Black commit a higher percentage of crime and most of the time against other blacks than do the non minority. Can’t change the numbers stupid. And as long as dope smoking is illegal nObama has admitted to committing several felonies. With his background he couldn’t get a cop job even at the smallest local PD and you morons want him to be your president. I didn’t call you a douche bag earlier, but seems that you are. That’s not bacon you’re smelling stupid, it’s that fat ugly lip beneath your zit ridden nose. And J. Henry you sound like a little sniveler. nObama’s mom was a slut who dumped him off, he’s dad was a full time sperm donor who loved them and left them. nObama associates with racists and with criminals by his own admission. If John McCain had hung out with David Duke you left wingers would have been all over him, but because nObama decides he’s black you are all apologetic for him. Typical left wing whack jobs.

By steve

October 3, 2008 12:43 AM | Link to this

Justin you are dead on. That schmaltzy folky tone is not what we need. That stuff only appeals to un-educated whit trash redne…..oh wait she is a republican. Thats her base. I do not like anyone (especially vp candidates)saying words like y’all and dad gum or whatever rednecks say. If anyone buys that they deserve the crap president they would get.

By Dave

October 3, 2008 12:40 AM | Link to this

A good debate. Overall it appeared Gov. Palin was stronger on substance and delivery. Sen.Biden meandered about at times in his responses and oftentimes resorted to cliches. It appeared that Gov. Palin was better able to articulate her policy positions clearly.

By Justin

October 3, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

ANOTHER VICTORY FOR OBAMA/BIDEN ANOTHER FAILED TEST FOR PALIN I know debate expectations for Sarah Palin were low, like “2000 Leagues Below the Sea” low, but I expect a little more substance from the person who is running to be one 72 year old heart beat away from the presidency. Palin offered zero policy differences from the Bush administration. Her reasoning for this, apparently, was that the past is not important. Palin did not display the ability draw upon her own experience or apply knowledge in her responses. She merely came across as a robot who spouted trained “stock” replies. She simply recited Republican talking points and right wing catch phrases that any Fox News employee could regurgitate on command. In fact, the only win for the McCain/Palin ticket tonight was having a debate moderator who did not push for specific answers to her questions. I cannot count the number of times Palin gave a response that had absolutely nothing to do with the question. Sometimes she even gave an answer that was the opposite of what was asked. For example, when asked to list her “Achilles heel,” instead of describing just one single weakness, Palin gave a memorized list of her “strengths.” Reminds me of 2004 when Bush said he could not think of any mistake he ever made as president! On a personal level, I was turned off and, at times, insulted by her shrill tone and twisted disrespectful attacks at Joe Biden. And her transparent attempts at folksiness came across as down right corny. Is this how she would answer the 3am call? “Say it ain’t so, Iran has nuclear weapons, well doggone it, don’t those folks over there know that I’m a maverick who isn’t afraid to give ya some straight talk?” In short, Sarah Palin failed the “is she ready” test tonight. I find it impossible to imagine her in the White House. Biden, on the other hand, displayed his mastery of the facts and the real issues facing middle class America. He gave answers that connected with a guy like me, a REAL average Joe. And, I should point out, he was professional enough to actually answer the questions he was asked. After tonight, I can easily and comfortable envision Biden as President of the United States.

By palli Davis Holubar

October 3, 2008 12:29 AM | Link to this

To Palin, the Facts do matter…Biden is right!

By Obama-the-man-child

October 3, 2008 12:28 AM | Link to this

I am Barack Obama and I think Palin did well. She looks good for a white girl that just had a baby that I think should have been aborted.

By J. Henry

October 3, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

Bravo Steve! Well done! It is extremely funny how one could give themselves the screen name law enforcement protection and speak so crudely about political matters. Hopefully it is only a screen name, if not, God have mercy on those that you come in contact with, and hopefully your not in it just for the pay check.

By steve

October 3, 2008 12:17 AM | Link to this

By the way to use intelligent arguments like calling people douche bags. That’s almost as smart as your catch phrase (nobama) That took sooooo much thought didn’t it? I bet the GOP had an all night think tank to come up with that one. By the way douche bag is two words not one. Its called grammar.

By Ohio Native

October 3, 2008 12:16 AM | Link to this

Biden won convincingly. He actually answered questions instead of deflecting to only discuss oil. Most Middletown and Southern Ohio residents will benefit from Obama/Biden Tax Cuts. Trust me Towne Mall, Armco, and other manufacturing employees in Middletown will be paying lower taxes. Mostly business executives at Proctor and Gamble and GE making over $250,000 a year will be paying higher taxes. I look forward to the day that all Middletonians can get affordable healthcare. America’s infrastructure is “The People”. Our parents and loved ones should not be forced to bankruptcy just because they got sick.

By David

October 3, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

A Biden/Palin ticket would be a landslide! We all know Obama and McCain are horrible, wretched decision makers. Biden and Palin are real people. Interesting how the top of the ticket just had a debate last week that had all the personality of damp leaf. I’d remove one of my nads if I knew I didn’t have to hear about Obama or McCain anymore.

By Chris

October 3, 2008 12:13 AM | Link to this

Biden is running with the hopes of something happening to BO and he’ll get to be President.

By steve

October 3, 2008 12:10 AM | Link to this

I am pretty sure being a senator is a job! You do get paid for it. Also mr. or ms. L.E.P. do I smell bacon? It’s definitely some sort of pork product coming from your direction. Smoking pot is not a big deal anyway. Speaking of racist.. your a cop I assume. what proportion of blacks do you arrest as opposed to whites? Doing drugs when you are young is not a big deal having sexual relations and correspondence with a minor is reprehensible. Do you get it Mr gestapo? Or am i using too many big words for a community college dropout cop to understand?

By Obama_is_a_bigger_douchebag

October 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Link to this

That Obama is worse than that Biden. He is running to benefit his own career and to raise taxes and redistribute wealth. This makes him the bigger of the two douchebags.

By Law Enforcement Protection

October 3, 2008 12:02 AM | Link to this

Steve, your candidate has never held a real job and is an admitted pot smoking coke user. His mom was a slut and his dad a drunk. He’s friends with an admitted terrorist and another who is a racist. Don’t throw stones bud, you live in a cheap glass house.

By Law Enforcement Protection

October 2, 2008 11:58 PM | Link to this

No doubt Palin won. She used Joe’s own words against him. He said nObama wasn’t ready when he was running for the job and he’s still right. He said nObama’s was naive and dangerous and he was right then and right now. Palin was using a velvet glove, but she cleaned his clock with it!

By J. Henry

October 2, 2008 11:57 PM | Link to this

I think that both candidates did well tonight. I think Palin did better than what was expected of her, especially considering her interview with Katie Couric. I just wonder though…her performance was a lil too rehearsed for me. She wasn’t as passionate as I would have expected her to be. In contrast I felt Biden showed more passion especially when replying to Palins statement about knowing how the average american feels as far as health insurance and job security. Maybe I’m old fashion but I couldn’t follow with all the winkin and eye jestures lol. At first I wasn’t sure if she was alright or not. She does alot of studdering and as if she is searching for an answer. That doesn’t show very much confidence or knowledge in the subject area she is being questioned about. I think Biden won but it was a mind blowing win. Palin needs to become an active member in the government so that she can build a knowledge base that stretched further than what she has done in Alaska.

By Gail

October 2, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

From a performance stand point Palin held her own, but Americans saw she did not anwser the questions, and is not ready to serve as VP, and I do not want her to be a hard beat away.

By Biden_is_a_douchebag

October 2, 2008 11:55 PM | Link to this

Biden came across as a douchebag. Period. (no pun intended)

By steve

October 2, 2008 11:54 PM | Link to this

I am just pointing out hypocrisy. Also I dont have a problem with homosexuality but dick cheney forsaking his own daughter for his misguided gay bashing political views is sick. Also I a proud of the brave homosexual public servants. Dick Cheney shoot someone in the face! lol!! Dare I mention a certain republican public servant’s sexually explicit email’s to an underage male. Wait, I did! Democrats can read the news. We don’t all live in the inner city either.

By Mimi

October 2, 2008 11:53 PM | Link to this

Biden definite winner. Palen can only repeat Repug talking points. We need a President/VP with some intellect & brains this time and that knows how to think first, then shoot. We don’t need regular, ordinary folks for this extraordiary job.

By Girish

October 2, 2008 11:50 PM | Link to this

Good luck Gov.Palin She is entertaining, but not as good as Tina Fey.

By Alice

October 2, 2008 11:45 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin was attacked so much as totally incompetent that I was almost rooting for her. She proved that she is not a bumbling idiot like some would have you believe. No one won this in a landslide, but in a race that seems to keep coming back to the issues, Biden won the debate on content. Biden convinced independents he was capable of being president in an emergency, but I don’t think Palin put those fears to rest. I am relieved there were no major gaffes on either side and this will bring the election back to the top of the ticket.

By Ben Langhinrichs

October 2, 2008 11:35 PM | Link to this

Gov. Palin did better than in her recent interviews, but she still tended to wander off into rote answers and pre-planned zingers rather than answering the question. Sen. Biden did a better job than I have ever seen him do before in a debate - very impressive. Overall, Biden wins, but palin at least proves she can be better than awful.

By rick

October 2, 2008 11:34 PM | Link to this

Biden came off as a total political windbag who likes to hear his own voice. Sarah held her own, who can say who won they both walked off the stage

By teacher

October 2, 2008 11:32 PM | Link to this

p.s. Sherry votemanytimes - educated people would have said ‘indeed’, not ‘in deed’. If we brought back the literacy tests for voters, the dems would be EXTINCT in 6 years.

By steve

October 2, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

Did I mention that Laura Bush Killed someone?

By Rusty Pate

October 2, 2008 11:29 PM | Link to this

Palin won by not losing. Biden was really in a no-win situation. The focus was all on Palin. I do think Biden was much stronger on foreign policy, but no one watched to hear issues. Everyone wanted to see if Palin would have a meltdown; she didn’t. If you go by substance, I think it was a push. Biden focused on McCain as a continuation of Bush and Palin focused on how she is just an average American. Ultimately, it just gives the talking heads something to talk about before the next presidential debate.

By PR

October 2, 2008 11:28 PM | Link to this

Most loyal party members see nothing of value in the candidate of the other party this election. So, all the non-affiliated people will decide the election. Although OHIO is doing it best to increase voter fraud.

By teacher

October 2, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Sherry Waterwhat is obviously one of the dems that’s used to voting more than once. Sorry Sherry, this just in, the board of elections will ask for IDENTIFICATION before you vote. No more dead people voting - sorry inner-city dems. Osama Obama will never live in the White House.

By Dennis Kelly

October 2, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Hardly much doubt here was there? Joe looked tired at the beginning and “run over” by the end and she was cheerful, bright and on the offense all night. Also, he lied outright about ten times and made weird faces when he thought he was off camera. Pitiful considering his “experience”, which is basically doing nothing for 36 years in the Senate.

By Undecided

October 2, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this

As an undecided voter I think Biden took this one. Palin made the comment that she was able to come out “without all the filters” and be herself while speaking to the people. I think that she needs to re-think that comment. She was filtered for a week by the McCain campaign as to what to say and how to respond. There were also quite a few times when she didnt directly answer the question or attack and kind of side stepped it and went on a whole nother tangent about soemthing else. Biden came with the facts that match what I have heard and read and Palin really didnt have much in her arsenal. I am undecided but gravitating towards Obama/Biden.

By Dan

October 2, 2008 11:22 PM | Link to this

I felt both did an adequate job. Sarah Palin proved she is not a bimbo and came prepared to debate. I would give a slight edge to Senator Biden for the mere fact that McCain cannot distance himself from the Bush Administration and that is what will doom his chance at becoming president. FYI on a national scale, most people felt Biden had won the debate.

By PR

October 2, 2008 11:20 PM | Link to this

Palen won handily..she was poised, confident, calm and communicated directly to the people. Biden is probably trying to figure out whose life story to steam to call his biography next time!

By steve

October 2, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

Just food for thought: Dick Cheney’s daughter is a lesbian, Sarah Palin’s daughter had pre-marital sex, Laura Bush killed someone when she was a teen ( look it up), G dub himself was an alcoholic and coke fiend……. Republicans love their good ole’ fashion family values, don’t they?????

By steve

October 2, 2008 11:14 PM | Link to this

And by the way, Palin’s unconstitutional assertion that the vice president’s office needs more legislative power in scary and wrong. Imagine Dick Cheney with even more power. He would be even more of a monster!!!

By thinkaboutit

October 2, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

To Pat, well said, I agree totally with you. To Sherry waterman lay off the return key, you do not need to post your message nine times to be heard……

By steve

October 2, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

Biden won. Palin re-hashed study session lines and spoke like an cyborg devoid of feeling and compassion. Her answers were contrived and she has no emotion. Biden even shed a tear when talking about the immense tragedy that befell his family ad she just went on rambling about mavericks and “Change” without one hint of compassion.

By thinkaboutit

October 2, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

To Pat, well said, I agree totally with you. To Sherry waterman lay off the return key, you do not need to post your message nine times to be heard……

By CFNeumann

October 2, 2008 11:07 PM | Link to this

Obviously sherry waterman is clueless as she sent the same message 9, count them, 9 times!!!!

By thinkaboutit

October 2, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

I think they both did a great job, I have to admit I found new respect for Biden, but I still can;t believe he’s running with Obama. Palin also did a great job. WOW they made it interesting, but I still have to go with the McCain ticket just because Obama is not the right pick.

By Pat

October 2, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Gov. Sarah Palin proved tonight that her experience as Governor prepared her well to be vice president. Palin has more Executive experience than Obama and her life is an open book. She is not hiding her work experience as Obama is.

By sherry waterman

October 2, 2008 11:04 PM | Link to this

Biden won. He has the experience and the knowledge, When speaking of foreign policies, Palin was tense and rambling. Her tutorial session did not help. She is in deed clueless.

By A Concerned Citizen

October 2, 2008 11:00 PM | Link to this

Biden won hands down. No contest. She is a disgrace to all women who have done so much in the political world. Please. I can’t believe this is really happening. On 3 days of cram studying, memorizing lines, she gets an A- BUT for having any knowledge about the world of politics outside of Mooseville, she gets a huge laugh and a Z-. Thank you, but no thank you.

By Pat

October 2, 2008 10:59 PM | Link to this

As the sister of a special needs person I am thrilled that Gov Palin is not ignoring a situation that exists in many American families. Sarah is proud of her son and I love her for it.

By Kalina Hughes

October 2, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Sarah won hands down. Did you notice Biden had nothing to say when she reminded him of his comment that “Obama was not ready to lead the nation….”? Quite telling.

By Hank

October 2, 2008 10:55 PM | Link to this

Palin won on substance and style. Biden kept rehashing the same talking points without bringing much to the table — Bush this and Bush that. So much so that one would think that he is running against the Bush administration. Also, he needs to lose that annoying smirk as he listens to his opponent speaking.

By Steven Saus

October 2, 2008 10:48 PM | Link to this

As the parent of a special needs child myself, I wish Gov. Palin would quit using her family as a political tool.

By mwm

October 2, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Biden won hands down. Biden had the facts, the knowledge and, the proven ability to debate. Palin resorted to “talking points” that lacked fact or substance. And, would use “talking points” when she was lost. Interesting that she supports same sex rights. That will be a hit with the evangelicals!

By BOB

October 2, 2008 10:43 PM | Link to this

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