By Patty

December 6, 2008 2:13 PM | Link to this

Sarah Palin was an extreme shock and threat for the democrats. If she was a democrat they would have loved her. She fits the image the democrats portray that they are fighting for. As soon as she was announced they immediately began to discredit her. They had to lie and smear quickly and they did a good job of it. No one yelled “kill him” at a rally. Secret Service said it did not happen and they listened to the recordings and said it was not there. Yet the lie continues and will continue. The democrats in power are VERY scared of Palin and will continue to smear her for fear of 2010 and 2012. The democrats in power will smear any discredit anyone from here on in to gurantee there control. Don’t be fooled they don’t respect the peons. They just need the votes and the money. Listen to Barney Frank you can hear and see how much he disrepects the populace. How about Harry Reid that calls us “smelly” and rewrites history claiming we want big government and that is what we are about. Pelosi? Yeah she really cares! She is a power hungry rich elitist that has no respect for the American population. These people think we are idiots that cannot think for ourselves. Do you realize that while they are keeping us off focus they are fighting for amnesty for all illegal aliens and fighting to increase visas to import more foreign workers. They say we don’t have the citizens to fill the jobs even in engineering and IT. They also say we are not educated enough. Are you really believing this baloney?

By Rob

December 4, 2008 11:46 AM | Link to this

TRS - I don’t know that I’ve seen Dr. Rice’s credentials or intelligence questioned. I have seen legitimate points about policy disagreements between the Secretary of State and publications which lean left. Her “transformational diplomacy” initiatives have been challenging - particularly in Gaza. I mean, what do you do if thugs win the free and open elections you’ve been saying will save the day?She has been shown to have been wrong on her Iraq assumptions. But there isn’t the same visceral response to her presence on the national stage because she’s clearly up to the tasks of the job. She is an accomplished authority based on decades of study, work, and experience. The differences between Condoleeza Rice and Sarah Palin could not be more stark. It’s not lack of Ivy league credentials that bother me about Gocernor Palin - the Univesity of Denver isn’t necessarily more prestigious than the University of Idaho. No, what really bothers me (at least) to no end about Governor Palin and Mr. Wurzelbacher is the dishonesty in their personal narratives. You can read through this string and see Mr. Wurzelbacher described as “an average guy” who “just asked a question”. Look, Joe went and picked a fight based on a disingenuine premise. He made up a number for revenue (or was it profit) for a company he had no way to purchase, and couldn’t provide adequate qualifying data (Well Joe, do you have $250,000 in billings or is that what you take home after expense? Because if you personally don’t clear $250K - your taxes don’t go up. It was at that point Joe developed an aggressive posture - beacuse he didn’t know, he just wanted to try and trip up the Senator). Fast forward to the McCain campaign commenting on Joe’s “wisdom”, and Gov. Palin refering to him as “an American hero”. You can’t blame those of us who hear those comments and have our BS meter peg in the red. Don’t spit on me and tell me it’s raining. If he’s what the Senator considers “wise” -what on earth does unwise look like? Somebody who is considering buying a company at what he thinks is over EIGHT TIMES his current salary - and does not know if it’s turning a profit or losing money or what it is clearing in cash flow - that’s not what an unbiased observer would consider “wise”. Heroic? A tax cheat? A man who abuses women? A guy who doesn’t pay his bills? No - that is not heroic. John McCain - a POW and veteran = heroic. Joe is going along with a narrative about himself that is not true. Joe letting you get an uninformed and incorrect impression of him = fraud. Right off the bat the Governor insisted she was the heroine who cancelled the “bridge to nowhere”. Until the record showed not only did she not kill the project, she activeley lobbied for the money. You want to jump on President-elect Obama along with Governor Plain about his “share the wealth” comment? Guees who authored this quote: “What we do different in Alaska, in our state budget, we share the wealth”? That would be the good Governor herself, describing how petroleum taxation gets, what’s that word - oh yeah, “redistributed” to the state’s citizens. The difference is believability based on the record. When asked about her experience with discrimination she points to her husband and says “Oh yeah, he gets that all the time”, since as everybody knows, based on his 100% caucasian appearance, Mr. Palin is one-eighth Yu’pik eskimo. Contrast that to Dr. Rice, who actually had a friend who was killed in the Alabama church bombings in the 60’s. When she was a child. She actually had to use segregated water fountains and was asked in department store to use a closet instead of a dressing room - just because of the color of her skin. So when Dr. Rice wanted to discontinue race influenced hiring at Stanford and go to a race-nuetral policy, she speaks from unimpeachable moral authority. An awful lot of the time when Governor Plain speaks, she is uninformed and disingenuine. It has NOTHING to do with her gender, party affiliation, or other beliefs. It has to do with the fact that she is uninformed, demonstrably duplicitous, and lacks credibility. Condelezza Rice is a Republican who I respect, disagree with on occassion, and would consider voting for based on her credentials. Governor Palin is a Republican who at the present time I do not respect, have serious disagreement with, and can’t envision a scenario where I would vote for her based on her lack of credential and credibility. By the way, that does not mean I don’t respect the office of the Governor of Alaska. I do, as in military parlance “we salute the rank, not the man” It has nothing to with gender. It has everything to do with character.

By TRS

December 4, 2008 1:30 AM | Link to this

Obviously people believe what they want to about Gov Palin. The McCain campaign criticism came from anonomous sources; yet, the people who actually worked with her said those incidents never happened as reported in the press. Many believe that this was an attempt by the Rockefeller wing of the party to try and discredit her and the conservative wing of the party. Some may have been trying to cover their tail. As for the Afganistan comment, did Obama saying their were 57 states or that Iran, N Korea and Syria were just small countries of no threat give pause as well? You see - for Obama to slip up was OK but for Palin, well then she’s labeled as ignorant. Rob - your better than that comment about “kill him”. There are no recordings of such a chant and only hearsay that it was said to begin with. Assuming some nutcase did in fact say that, they exist on both sides and certainly are not representative. For example, when Tony Snow died, the Daily Kos had some left wing loons saying it was a good thing. Neither is right or representative of sane thinking. I’ve been trying to figure out why there seems to be this visceral reaction of Palin. Contrary to popular myth which the Dems tried to create, those that have worked with her say she is intelligent and rising to the level of governor of a state is no easy task. In part I believe its because she doesn’t fit the mold of what some believe a “professional woman” should look like. She’s not ivy league educated, has a large family, obviously lives a different lifestyle in Alaska, is pro life, etc - the list goes on. I also believe that had a man made some of the comments she did most would have brushed that off as hard campaigning but it wasn’t OK for Gov Palin. It seems that some of those tolerant progressive folks on the left have their own stereotypes to overcome. For some its just partisanship. There is no more an accomplished or intelligent woman that Condi Rice; yet, when you see the posts from some, they talk about her just like they talk about Palin.

By Rob

December 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Link to this

Don’t forget all the nasty things the McCain campaign staff said about the Governor. Aside from referring to her as a diva, some of the staff let out nuggets like she didn’t know what countries were in NAFTA. Kind of important for the VP to know, don’t you think? Look, it’s not “nasty” to point out that she couldn’t name a single newspaper she had read, she thinks Afghanistan is a “neighboring country”, couldn’t name a single controversial Supreme Court decision besides Roe vs. Wade, and couldn’t decribe the constitutional responsibilities of the Vice President. None of that is name calling or bashing. It is a calm, dulcet toned presentation of some facts which might give a serious voter pause when considering her qualifications for elected federal office. In actual fact, Patty, the Governor did a pretty good job “bashing” - the whole “pallin’ around with terrorists” smear - and even went so far as to get her minion chanting “kill him” in reference to Senator Obama at one of her rallies.

By Patty

December 3, 2008 9:14 AM | Link to this

Gov Palin did not insult people around here. From the moment she was introduced the media and the bloggers began to bash her, destroy her, and twist every little thing she said. But it’s okay for Obama to say we are bitter and cling to our guns and religion. The nasty things said of Saran and her family were absurd and Obama never said anything to his peasants to stop it. This behavior that is promoted is absolutely horrible!

By Sassy

December 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Link to this

If one knows how to research, by just knowing Joe’s name, can gain lots of useful information. As so if he has a criminal record, and lawsuits against him, or own a home or business, married, divorce. All this knowledge by sitting behind my computer.

By TRS

December 1, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

Hi Ethel - I looked up the word idiot. The definition is “layman, person lacking professional skill”, “person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning”. Seems to fit pdq don’t you think?

By Ethel S.

December 1, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Dear President Elect Obama, There is a blogger on the DDN who does not appear to be inspired by your message of hope and change. He says he does not care. Maybe you can take some of your time to show some love and encourage him to show some good manners while blogging. Hoping to hear from you very soon because if anything, our country does not need any more hateful words, name calling, and bad manners. Good luck on the 20th of January. Yours truly, Grandma Ethel

By prq

December 1, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

Ethel, tough, live with it! After hearing that idiot from the great white north bad mouth everyone around her, she deserves no respect. By the way, is the shotgun wedding still on for her knocked up daughter? And, go ahead, write Obama a letter, who cares? Paybacks are he**!

By Ethel S.

December 1, 2008 2:25 PM | Link to this

For prq, I strongly object to your very sexism remarks regarding Gov. Sarah Palin. Your reference to her body parts and Caribou Barbie is so offensive that you reflect poorly on the different kind of change that the Obama Administration is supposed to bring to this country. Those hateful words certainly do not promote good will among at least half of the population. If that type of trash talk and “sexism” continues in our ongoing discussions, then I plan to write to President Obama myself and tell him how very disappointed I am that his election has not produced the kind of respect that all Americans deserve.

By Patty

December 1, 2008 11:42 AM | Link to this

For those of you that want to insult Joe the Plumber, Joe is just an average middle class citizen. He asked Obama a question and was not expecting the answer he got. Obama’s tax plan was on many peoples minds and this man asked the question. Obama was the one that said spread the wealth around. Oops he slipped letting the peasants know his real plan. Our Ohio government officials quickly jumped to discredit Joe. One of the great things about our country is that the government works for us. We own the government not the other way around. Ohio government betrayed the people of Ohio and the people of America. Our government is not suppose to discredit a citizen for asking a candidate a question. Those of you down on Joe I guess would not dare to question our government and you must feel our government owns us and we work for them. Is that why they are rich and we are not? We keep letting our government do whatever they want - our government tells us it is corporate greed and they are working hard for us. Then why have our government officials continue to raise taxes, raise their salaries and probably get bonuses all the while our income stays the same? Those of you that are not mad that our government officials discredited Joe the Plumber are the ones that continue to allow our government officials to take our freedoms way and raise our taxes so they can raise their salaries. When is all this madness going to stop? When are we going to be brave like our fore fathers and fight back? This has been and is a great country, but our politicans are no different than the CEOs - they are corrupt and greedy. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. This is America land of the free! America needs us to stop our government!

By TRS

December 1, 2008 12:19 AM | Link to this

prq - Oh, your just so witty and funny! Wow - I’ll bet you’ve ran a successful business, naw, probably not! Perhaps you’ve been elected mayor somehwere? Most likely - no. Ah, maybe you were elected as governor of a state? Hmmm….I doubt it. I guess before you can judge intelligence you have to have some and before you can judge success in life it would be good to experience it. Otherwise you are left making stupid jackass comments on blogs much like the ones you just made.

By prq

November 30, 2008 6:16 PM | Link to this

Go ahead and take little miss caribou barbie and the twit from Toledo. That way we can secure two terms for Obama.

By TRS

November 30, 2008 5:53 PM | Link to this

prq - boy do your comments show you as an intellectual giant. You must have been among the 57% of Obama voters that didn’t have a clue who controlled Congress. Just so you know - it was the Democrats. I’ll take a hillbilly over a mental midget like you!

By prq

November 30, 2008 1:43 PM | Link to this

It is an absolute joke to consider Palin for any job that requires interaction with the citizens of our country or any other foreign country. Palin was selected for the role of VP candidate because she fit specific demographic areas; female, from a western state, gun lover, hunter, housewife, governor, evangelical. and, she has great t*ts. (which appears to satisfy some republicans), kind of like the legs of anne coulter. But, Palin and her hillbilly clan would be detrimental to our country. Joe the whatever he is, will end up doing bit parts until his short fame wears out. He probably will never be a true plumber and will never purchase a plumbing business.

By Ethel S.

November 29, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

What is wrong with trying to earn a living as Joe the Plumber is trying to do? And I enjoyed his part of the political campaign because it was very informative. Looking forward to Gov. Sarah Palin’s future campaigns. She was the bright spot of the 2008 year. Right now, there are more turkeys in DC than were on everyone’s Thanksgiving tables this year. Cannot wait for the breath of fresh Northern air Gov. Palin to come back again to run for President in 2012.

By Raoul

November 29, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Right about now, the only ‘fakes’ in the last election cycle were Obama/Biden. They ran an anti-Clinton campaign to win the nomination, and told everyone that they would bring change that we can believe in. Well, it looks like the Clinton’s have won the election and it looks now like we are going back to 1992, with all the former players back on the field. Not only that, many of the same guys that helped bring about the collapse of the economy are now trusted to bring us back out (while still making millions). Now, if they would just bring back Sandy Berger, the super duper new team will be complete. So, I guess we don’t need to worry about Joe and Sarah; as fakers go, they have a lot to learn from our new (old) leadership.

By usi

November 29, 2008 8:20 AM | Link to this

If the repubs want to utilize idiots like Joe the whatever he is and the wasilla hillbilly, go for it. It just shows the total stupidity of the republican party. And, to defend these people as the right wing tends to do, shows that they just like to push moronic candidates on the american public. Perhaps it is the republican way… If they have a candidated that is dumber than most of the population, they can pass them off as being part of the status quo.. Bush was an example of a candidate that lacked intellectual abilities. Palin, another example. And Joe the whatever he is, as a caricature of the “common man”. And yes, domestic spying was and is being done. And yes, a CIA agent was outed; a felony. And yes, White house emails were deleted. Sure! At least the criminals will be gone in 1 month 21 days.

By TRS

November 29, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

Usi - there was no domestic spying found and no one convicted of out a CIA agent because she was covert. If your going to throw verbal bombs, perhaps it would be wise to get your facts straight

By justin

November 28, 2008 9:44 PM | Link to this

im not sure what makes people like joe think they are smarter than someone running a state or for that fact a guy like joe the plumber. you know people will never admit just how dumb they are they just try to convince you someone else is dumber

By Dave

November 28, 2008 8:27 PM | Link to this

End the personal income tax, cut the size of government… That’s what I want. I figure that the only thing my tax money buys me is the best military on the planet. That’s the only thing I get for my money… I don’t mind paying my fair share of that, but since I don’t get any other benefit from my taxes, can I have the balance back, please?

By DAve

November 28, 2008 8:23 PM | Link to this

Go Joe! I hope he’s able to file and win a lawsuit over his private information being illegally disseminated. As for his tax situation, it’s none of our business. It would be great if they just ended the personal income tax anyways.

By usi

November 28, 2008 8:14 PM | Link to this

Joe the whatever he is was and is a fake. As far a “privacy” goes, it seems as though the bush administration did do domestic spying on our phone, email and internet usage. And, yes that was wrong.. But allowed by that criminal in the white house. Also, the outing of a cia agent is a felony. So, nobody can complain if joe the fake/liar got caught.

By TRS

November 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Link to this

Owing back taxes doesn’t mean you cheated any system. He didn’t dispute owing them and said he didn’t know about them. While the state is supposed to notify you of such leins often they send it to the wrong address and you are unaware of it until such time as you apply for a loan, sell real estate, etc. Joe paid his tax bill. His only crime - asking your candidate a question that caused a stumble. It is ironic that people who were concerned about the privacy of terrorists think its just fine to dig into a private citizen’s background. By the way, you’ll be seeing alot of Gov Palin as she is the most requested interview going right now.

By Andrew Hanzel

November 28, 2008 7:10 PM | Link to this

Isn’t that Federal coupon a re-distribution of wealth,huh Joe?

By Jim

November 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Link to this

Sixpack, Joe owes back taxes, which means he’s cheated the system at some point. Can’t you see that Joe, like Palin, is a fraud? Come on, it’s not rocket science.

By Ann

November 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

I won’t be buying my convertor at VelocityStore.com

By Dave

November 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Sixpack, the last I saw, it was illegal to sell cigarettes and beer to someone using their welfare card. Are you breaking the law, or just making up stories?

By Tired of It

November 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Link to this

Joe questioned a Man who was raised as a muslim in Indonesia. That person thinks like a muslim in that all people must pay the head priest all their money so he can control them.

By sixpack

November 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

Hey usi, at least he earned his money for that sixpack right? that’s more than i can say for the customers at the carryout that I work at, who use their welfare cards to buy all their cigs and 40’s of best ice. and where’s that welfare money come from you ask? well that would be from my taxes and joe’s and anybody else who has a job in this state.

By Jim

November 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Link to this

I betcha the only person dumber than Joe, is Sarah Palin. I really wish both of them would disappear off the radar screen for a few years. I liked McCain, but they’re both a couple of idiots.

By usi

November 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

Since joe, whose name is not joe, who is not a plumber, who had no intention of buying a business and who owes back taxes, needs a job, I guess he will do something unrelated to plumbing, and unrelated to buying a business, but, will still earn himself some money for the much needed sixpack.

By JJ

November 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Link to this

Maybe he needs to ask Obamamama fer a job.

By ecp3886

November 28, 2008 3:08 PM | Link to this

Joe the Dummber. HIs republican side lost.Yet this Toledo Red Neck, is still in the news. Who is dummber than dumb.Joe that’s who.

By mendoblather

November 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

Jim thinks it’s all “hypocrisy” for people to question the credentials of a completely ignorant man and failed plumber, but not when the Repugs went after a kid and his family for asking the Bushies to keep a health plan. Who’s the real hypocrite?

By MMS

November 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Link to this

$40 coupons from the Federal Government? I dunno, Joe, sounds like socialism to me.

By Jim

November 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Link to this

Observer….would you be willing to post your name here so we could all find out who you really are? If not, you have no room to criticize. Funny how the libs were in an uproar when it came to the “civil liberties” of suspected terrorists by wiretapping them, but seem to have no problem with the civil liberties of their own fellow Americans. Of course, I’m sure they would have been screaming unfair if the tables had been turned and Joe was a Democrat and Republicans were using State computers to find dirt on him. Hypocrisy at it’s best.

By Diamond

November 28, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

Isn’t this guys 15 minutes up? Good grief!

By Roger

November 28, 2008 12:47 PM | Link to this

I have no problem with Joe, but he doesn’t look very happy doing this commercial. He’s probably regretting it the whole time, but he probably needs the money. The video is pretty poorly made too. Overall it’s a fairly depressing commercial. I hope he was compensated well.

By Brian

November 28, 2008 12:19 PM | Link to this

“Joe the Plumber also seems to be somebody who can get people fired in Ohio for trying to find out who he really is. “ Good. The people who were fired had NO RIGHT at all to go digging into his private life the way they did. He was a private citizen who confronted a presidential candidate when the media refused to do it. I hope everyone who had anything to do with using STATE property to dig into him is fired.

By Turkeycall

November 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Link to this

Are you referring to the people that used state confidential systems to access his personal data?

By Observer

November 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Link to this

Joe the Plumber also seems to be somebody who can get people fired in Ohio for trying to find out who he really is.