By Jane

March 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Link to this

Hurray, finally someone who makes some sense and will stand up to these Obama crazies! We have something called the Constitution in this Country; it is the law of our land. Without the Constitution, we have no Country! I find it unconscionable that our lawmakers, the Congress, seem to be ignorant of the Constitution. They seem to be of the opinion that candidates need only to be born on the US mainland to qualify for the Presidency. That is the definition of a Native Born Citizen. Natural Born Citizenship requires both parents to be US citizens and to be born on the US mainland. The founding fathers were very protective of our hard won liberty. They wanted the Presidency to be available to the children of citizens (mother and father) to protect our country from outside takeover (dual alliances or usurpers) and to perpetuate the Country, its laws and freedoms. An immigrant who becomes a naturalized citizen then bestows Natural Born Citizenship on his children. In this day and age the Constitutional Natural Born Citizen requirement is more important than ever due to the multi-cultural nature of the world. This is not about political parties; it is about preserving our laws by Properly vetting our Presidential candidates. Look at Europe, its entire face has changed; soon France will not be French, or England English, etc. I for one want the US to remain the US, with its liberties and laws intact. Senator McCain was publically vetted when his Natural Born Citizen status was in question, Obama was never publically vetted and out right refuses to be. This double standard leaves a large segment of the American public uneasy and suspicious. Are our laws still intact? On the face of things, Obama is ineligible as he has only 1 American citizen parent, he might be a citizen (he still needs to prove it), just ineligible to be President by the Constitutional definition of Natural Born Citizen. If it makes anyone feel any better Governor Bobby Jindal is also ineligible. I am an American citizen and I will use my voice while it is still possible, as allowed by the Constitution, and I will not be discounted with any of the conspiracy theory labels. We still have the right to question our Government! If we still have laws then President Obama should not above the law. I’ll leave you with the relevant textbook definition of natural born citizen. The following was published in 1758. This definition, certainly establishes a rational legal basis to hold that Barack Obama is not a natural born Citizen. It puts the burden on those who deny it. § 212. Citizens and natives. “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

By Tim

December 12, 2008 12:44 PM | Link to this

1866 Representative John Bingham of Ohio, who is considered by many the “Father of the Fourteenth Amendment”, is quoted in Donofrio’s essay as saying the following: “[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…[6]” …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… Read that again “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign”……………………………….. When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu (if true), Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.(as reported by Obama’s website FightTheSmears)………………………………………………… 1758 Also quoted is an excerpt from “The Laws of Nations”, a book published in 1758, which Justice Scalia has used to define other terms in the Constitution: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”…………………………………………………………….. Sorry but Barack Obama Jr. is not a natural-born citizens. If Obama disagree with this then prove were the laws of this land say Obama is Natural-born………………………………………………………………. PROVE IT!!!!!!

By mwm

December 12, 2008 9:16 AM | Link to this

Obama was born in Hawaii, making him an american. If one wants to discuss security clearances then, Bush should have been denied a clearance based upon his DWI in Maine, his untreated alcoholism, his prior drug abuse and the fact that he did not complete his military obligation.

By B. Wilby

December 12, 2008 2:24 AM | Link to this

What happened to National Security Clearance?? The President of the USA must pass the most in-depth examination and background check to be issued the highest security clearance and certainly his actual real birth certificate would be required. Has his TOP SECRET security clearance been approved?? Who knows?? NATIONAL SECURITY CLEARANCE: Confidential – Unauthorized disclosure could cause “damage to national security.” Secret – Unauthorized disclosure could cause “serious damage to national security.” Top Secret – Unauthorized disclosure could cause “exceptionally grave damage to national security.” Each level of access requires a progressively more in-depth background investigation before the clearance is obtained. The President of the United States should be able to flawlessly pass the most extensive investigation and a polygraph test. Both are required for workers in some Special Access Programs classified Top Secret. Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn’t spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one’s birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one’s birth certificate is not a big deal. I’ve also had to give out my college records — again, not a big deal. So, why doesn’t Mr. Obama make his actual real birth certificate available to the various electoral commissions or an independent agency such as the FBI for verification? How can he have the highest level TOP SECRET SECURITY CLEARANCE in our government without true documentation?

By Bernice

December 12, 2008 1:26 AM | Link to this

I forgot to also thank Ms. Fessler for her concern and doing her job as she was elected to do and that is to protect the Constitution and the people. We the people, have a constitutional right for redress to grievances and as far as I know she is the only elected official that has heard her constituents. Ms. Fessler you are truly an American and I am very proud of you. I wished our other elected officials would have done the same and this matter probably would have been taken care of a long time ago. Mr. Jones, one of our greatest concerns is that the msm media will not touch this issue and we cannot find out that answer but it certainly is frightening that the American people are not getting information they need to know. No Mr. Jones, there are millions of us out here that want to know the answers that we are entitled to know. We are not rightwing nuts or overcome with paranoia. We are “we the people” that have been told we have “no standing” in which to question one eligibilty for the highest office in the nation. We’ve been searching for the answer to that question all the way to the Supreme Court and are not getting a response. Mr. Jones, that is enough to frighten anyone. Please do some research and get yourself informed on what is happening. Start with obamacrimes.com and it will give you info on Obama’s eligibilty. This is such of great importance and we are racing against time.

By EL

December 12, 2008 1:22 AM | Link to this

Amy wrote “The Constitution states BOTH his parents MUST be American citizens at the time of his birth. ” Please enlighten us, Amy, where in the Constitution does it say that? It says “natural born” citizen. The courts have held that birth in the US makes a citizen natural born. As to dual citizenship disqualifying someone as natural born, please show where that’s stated in the Constitution, or stop throwing out wacky theories. Finally, the Indonesian citizenship red herring - the state department is very clear that someone doesn’t lose American citizenship casually, and a child can’t lose it at all. To lose citizenship one must, as an adult, formally renounce citizenship in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic officer, and sign an oath of renunciation.

By Bernice

December 12, 2008 12:58 AM | Link to this

Jim, if you would go to obamacrimes.com you can find the Phil Berg case, he filed his suit in Pa.; drorly.blogspot.com, she is an atty for a case is Ca. There are hundreds of blogtalk radio sites that are covering the issue. Every political affiliation is out there talking and the reason they are on blogtalk is that the msm will not put it on the air,another reason or report it in the papers. Do you find that strange? We do to, the American citizens that are trying to protect our Constitution. Here are some talk shows to checkout: radio patriot,countryfirst.bravehost.com mommaE radio radicals, Andrea Shay King, Joan Swirsky,american truth warriors and many, many more. Check them out and educate yourself . All we are asking for is just to be shown that Obama is truly eligible to be elected. If we are shown that proof we will shut up but we cannot take the chance that there is even the smallest possibility that he can be a “usurper.” It would destroy our country and do not think for one minute that it cannot be done because gov’s all over the world have been destroyed. That is all I have to say on the subject, for right now. Just try to educate yourself on what is really happening and not on the b/b issue. It’s way larger than that.

By Bernice

December 12, 2008 12:25 AM | Link to this

I’ve read every comment and I can’t believe what I’ve been reading and the fact that no one has checked the facts that are written on this issue and no one has checked out the U.S. Constitution.The controversy about the bc is not where he was born but to whom he was born. Obama himself said that his father was Kenyan which is proven. Obama went to Indonesia as a young boy and held an Indonesian citizenship. Indonesia does not accept dual citizenship thereby he had to relinquish his American citizenship. He was adopted by his Indonesian father. There are other facts pertinent to this issue but being born to a Kenyan father is the first thing that would keep him from being a natural born citizen. I am not a racist and I am not a republican. The fact that someone who is not eligible according to our Constitution could our country upside down. If he is elected and not eligible he would be a “usurper” which would put our country in a Constitional crisis, meaning “WE HAVE NO GOVERNMENT.” Now can everyone understand that and no we didn’t wait until December to air our grievances. If Obama is eligible, accepted, no harm can be done. If he is not eligible, God help us all. Because he is black/caucasion is no problem, democrat no problem. WE are only trying to protect our country and our Constitution. I hope this will clear up this matter on the b/c issue. The elected official is doing her job. If the electorates vote and Obama is not a natural born citizen they can be charged with treasonous acts. The responsibility lies on the DNC to verify to eligibilty and they refuse to do so. Every record that Obama has ever had in this country is sealed. Does that make you feel safe? This has never happened in our country’s history. To all of you American citizen’s, no matter your race or your party affiliation you had better listen up and pay attention because if he is elected without being eligble we are all in for something we could have never imagined and please do not think this is a case of paranoia because it certainly is not. Everyone reading this needs to contact their state reps and tell them the same things because most of them are uneducated to these facts.

By Jim

December 12, 2008 12:24 AM | Link to this

Do you knuckleheads really think Obama could go through an entire national election without being challenged if this was a legit problem? Don’t you think McCain, Rove, Davis, and the boys, along with the RNC, would have filed a lawsuit? Fessler’s now proving to be a wack job too.

By Jim

December 12, 2008 12:18 AM | Link to this

For the desperate Republicans, this is just rearranging the furniture on the deck of the Titanic. One last gasp before their reign of terror finally comes to an end. Fred, please clue me in on all these lawsuits only you seem to know about. I read the NYT’s and Washington Post everyday and there’s nothing mentioned anywhere, or are they a part of great left wing conspiracy? Palease, give me a break.

By Fred Jones

December 11, 2008 11:51 PM | Link to this

Congratulations Ms. Fessler!! By the way, I was wondering … The mainstream media is desperately trying to provide cover for Obama regarding this issue. Maybe you can tell me, is this merely coincidental, or is it a concerted effort on the part of the media to attempt to paint all those who question Obama as nutcases? Oh, and one more question; please give us one good reason why Obama is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting multiple lawsuits, some all the way to the Supreme Court, in an effort to conceal his complete birth certificate from the American people. Please give us one good reason why he doesn’t merely spend $12 for a certified copy of his birth certificate and submit it to the court, which would, if it shows that he is a natural born citizen, clear up this issue. And one more thing, why has Obama refused to disclose his records at Occidental, his records at Columbia, his records at Harvard, his records of 8 years as an Illinois State Senator, his complete medical records, and the names of all those who gave less than $200 to his campaign. Just curious if can you do some reporting and find the answer to these questions.

By null

December 11, 2008 11:26 PM | Link to this

Thank you Ms. Fessler. You are a patriot. Obama’s COLB is useless as several people have stated. Anyone can Google Hawaii birth record laws for 1961 and see how his birth in Kenya could have been registered in Hawaii. However, even if he was born in Hawaii to an American and a Kenyan, he is not a Natural born citien as required by the constitution and if the Electoral College has even a molecule of integrity, they will demand proof that he is eligible before voting. If he is a natural born citizen, why is he refusing to produce the $10 Birth record that will prove his eligibility. Attorneys are trying to obtain his passport as he traveled to Pakistan at a time when Americans were not to travel there. If he is what he says he is, why is he witholding his college records, his passport, his tax records, his health records and every other documentation that might indicate his citizenship. He was elected by a citizenry who believed anything they heard on television. One good speech and a charming voice. That’s all we know. Well, except he has friends who are terrorists, in jail, and possibly going to jail for being paid off to fill his senate seat. How much more does he have to withold before we know he is an imposter?

By amy

December 11, 2008 10:54 PM | Link to this

Seems like all some people can do is attack the messenger (Fessler) when they attempt to divert attention away from the REAL issue.

By Steve

December 11, 2008 10:09 PM | Link to this

MaineSkeptic you keep talking about a CLB posted to websites. All Obama needs to do is get a certified copy of his long form to the Electors. When did a private website replace our electors? If he wants the job he should provide the documents. simple as that!

By Tim

December 11, 2008 10:06 PM | Link to this

Amy it is not just the cost to Obama. It is the cost and time for the courts also. The Secret of the Rosary Films is offering a one million dollar reward for the certified long-form birth certificate of Barack Obama. Is this what Obama was talking about passing the wealth around?

By Steve

December 11, 2008 10:02 PM | Link to this

I see many comments about Obama giving his CLB to factcheck. If he does not have any problem with turning documents over to a website why should anyone have problems with the Electors getting the long form BC? Unless the long form shows something bad what it the problem?

By Good Bye Diana!

December 11, 2008 10:01 PM | Link to this

Thanks heavens the good voters of the 79th District won’t have to put up with the nonsense of Mrs. Fessler after the first of the year. Thanks for eight years of obstructionism. The State of Ohio is a better place for your service…NOT!

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:45 PM | Link to this

Just ask yourselves. If Obama has a legal vaulted (long version) birth certificate, why is he spending over $500,000 for 3 Law Firms to fight it? Why doesnt he just prove it and the claimants will drop the cases? Why?

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:41 PM | Link to this

maine, there is NO conspiracy. And Gov Lingle is NOT a part of a conspiracy either. The fraud document was NOT the one posted by Hawaii. It was posted on Dailykos, and Obamas site. But I dont want to discuss that one, because I didnt see it.

By Tim

December 11, 2008 9:40 PM | Link to this

If everything Obama said is true then all the official paperwork will prove Obama words. I never said there was a Conspiracy. “The Mistake” as you put it if there was misinformation given was back in 1961 but the 2007 document is an account of the information given from 1961 records.

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Link to this

John, yes, I heard Gary talk about the case on plainsradio too

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 9:30 PM | Link to this

Tim, what are you saying? If they made a mistake in 2007 and issued a false document, wouldn’t they make an effort to correct it now that such a fuss is being made? Or is the Republican governor of Hawaii part of the conspiracy too?

By John Adams

December 11, 2008 9:29 PM | Link to this

Keyes has two attorneys. Gary Kreep is a very fine attorney and knowledgeable in this area of the law. That is another advantage the Keyes case has. A good attorney and the funding of the Independent Part to follow it through.

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:27 PM | Link to this

maine, I told you I dont care what it says. I have NOT seen it.. I am saying he is half Kenyan, born to a Kenyan, so is NOT a Natural Born Citizen as required by the constitution.

By John Adams

December 11, 2008 9:26 PM | Link to this

Yes, only eight years California is better with it’s record keeping. In Chicago there are people voting that were residents prior to Statehood. I think it is kind of weird that they have a William Ayer as one of the California Electors. Obviously not William Ayers, but still keep an eye on him:)

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:24 PM | Link to this

Keyes lawyer is on Plainsradio now talking about his case

By Tim

December 11, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

MaineSkeptic You are right Hawaii would not permit false information if they knew it. How many times you gave you weight to Official state 5-20 under what you were. People lie all the time to the State for one reason or another. That is why the long form is needed. Obama’s Mother lie about his sister birth in Hawaii why not Obama?

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 9:21 PM | Link to this

Amy, please. Look at it. The form says “CITY, TOWN OR LOCATION OF BIRTH” and it’s filled in “HONOLULU.” There’s no point saying things that are obviously false.

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

maimeskeptic, NO, that is where the certication was filed. And I am NOT one who is stating that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. I am saying he is NOT a Natural Born Citizen, regardless of WHERE he was born, because he is half Kenyan

By John Adams

December 11, 2008 9:16 PM | Link to this

Well Maine, sorry but if the State of Hawaii does not accept the Certification of Live Birth for the DHHL program because it does not include the verifiable facts why should the we accept it for proving that a person is eligible to hold the office of the President. If you cannot grasp that Obama and the DNC have created a crisis over there lack of resolution of this issue BEFORE THE ELECTION then there is no use trying to have an intelligent discourse with you. It is beyond comprehension why you would argue about Obama producing a $10.00 birth certificate. Again, Certification is bad it does not have verifiable information. Certified Birth Certificate good because it lists the name of the hospital, doctors, witnesses and other verifiable information. Obstinate refusal to produce a $10.00 piece of paper has created a crisis. Frankly, given how hard Obama is trying to keep it under wraps it only raises the need to produce the original so that the name of the hospital can be confirmed. Your argument is the functional equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling because you do not want to hear something that you might disagree with.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

Amy, the Certification of Live Birth HAS the place of birth on it! Very clearly printed! It’s HONOLULU!

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 9:12 PM | Link to this

Tim, the COLB was issued in 2007. The seal means that, as of 2007, the State of Hawaii believed that Obama was born in Honolulu, because I don’t believe they would permit false information to go out over their seal.

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:11 PM | Link to this

The VAULTED version of the BC will have the PLACE of birth on it

By hockeyfan530

December 11, 2008 9:10 PM | Link to this

Gary, to say we should pass a law that says “any child born to at least one american citizen anywhere in the world is an american unless they denouce it on their 18th birthday.” tells me you do not understand the damage this could do. Let’s say Obama’s father had views like Osama bin Laden. Then married a naive, mis-guided idealist like, oh let’s say Obama’s mom. This child, born with dual citizenship could then be president? Is that OK? Come on, the fact that you can use a computer tells me you are not the dumb!

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Link to this

John, yes, and one of those electors isnt even alive (for 8?) years now

By Tim

December 11, 2008 9:08 PM | Link to this

MaineSkeptic Obama’s mother could have given birth anywhere and went into the state of Hawaii and had Obama’s birth register and the state would have register Obama as Obama’s mom told them. That was the law then and at that time registering a birth of your child no big deal. Who would think that over 40 years later that registering a birth would be a big issue?

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 9:07 PM | Link to this

Sorry, John, nothing you’ve added begins to suggest that Hawaii would issue a document under seal with false information on it. Until you can explain that, I believe the document with the seal.

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:06 PM | Link to this

John, I agree. Keyes case with Dr Orly Tazz as lawyer is a good one. Keyes does have legal standing

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:04 PM | Link to this

I agree with hockeyfan.. Thank you so much , Ms Fessler

By John Adams

December 11, 2008 9:02 PM | Link to this

The better case has been filed by Alan Keyes in California Sacramento Superior Court Case 80000096. Go to the court website and read the writ. Most of the other cases have been dismissed on legal technicalities of “lack of standing”. As Mr. Keyes was on the Independent ballot in California he has standing to bring the action. Keyes has named Obama, Biden, Debra Bowen the California Secretary of State and the 55 California Democratic Electors. It seeks to ask the court not to certify the 55 electors if Ms. Bowen does not submit evidence that Obama meets the “natural born citizen” test of the Constitution.

By Mick

December 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

Hey manbearpig, you must have been one who agreed to impeach Clinton for lying about oral sex. For no Republican ever lied. I’m sorry Bush lied about Iraq. He’s just not smart enough to get the recognition. Thanks.

By amy

December 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Link to this

I am shocked at the number of people who know NOT a thing about The Constitution. The Constitution is what has made our country so great.

By hockeyfan530

December 11, 2008 8:59 PM | Link to this

Thank you Rep. Fessler! Thank you for doing your patriotic duty. Obama was born with dual citizenship. I don’t care if he was born in the oval office he would still have dual citizenship. Not opinion…FACT. He admitted it himself on his fightthesmears web-site. That to me means that he IS NOT a “natural born citizen”. Is he as citizen? Probably. But he’s not a natural born citizen. The president MUST be a natural born citizen. So, again, Rep Fessler i thank you for standing up for the constitution. You are truly concerned about this nation. Because this nation IS our constitution

By amy

December 11, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

The case from last week and the case in court tomorrow are NOT claiming that Obama isnt a citizen. They both claim he is not a Natural Born Citizen, because The Constitution states BOTH his parents MUST be American citizens at the time of his birth. Obamas father was a citizen of Kenya under the jurisdiction of British Law and that makes Obama with dual loyalties, AGAINST the CONSTITUTION requirement.

By John Adams

December 11, 2008 8:53 PM | Link to this

Here is what the website says about how to order a Certificate, and not use the computer generated CERTIFICATION. “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL. When requesting a certified copy of your birth certificate from the Vital Records Section of DOH, let the clerk know you are requesting it “For DHHL Purposes,” and that you need a copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth and not the computer-generated Certification.”

By Federalist

December 11, 2008 8:51 PM | Link to this

Kevin: You are as “IGNORANT” as the rest of the OBAMAITES! This issue has nothing to do with race. Don’t try to hang the race tag on citizens that only want to ensure that the tenants of our constitution are followed. As for the press….The press has been spooning with Obama since the beginning. They have been all “Tingly” (Chris Matthews @ MSNBC) for almost two years. Obama is the least vetted candidate in modern presidential election history. The primary reason that Obama was elected can be traced to his ability to wax eloquently about action words like CHANGE without ever quantifying their meaning. The press is also complicit with this vague picture call Obama because they never challenged a single line of any of his speeches. Why was he elected…Like most political decisions made by Government School graduates, they are a moment of eneey-meeney-mineey-mo, followed by hours of simple minded justifications. Ask just two simple probing questions to scratch the surface of their parroted answers and you soon confirm the shallow depth of their actual knowledge. The dumbing down of America is almost complete. God save this country from the simple minded, the lazy and the political wolves that prey upon the lemmings.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 8:50 PM | Link to this

Yes, I have read the law, and there is nothing to suggest that the State of Hawaii would issue an official document containing false information. If they didn’t know it was false in 1961, they — including the Republican governor of Hawaii — know it’s false now. There’s absolutely no way a state government would put out false information under its official seal.

By John Adams

December 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Link to this

The point on the Certification of Live Birth is that it is not proof that Obama was born in Hawaii. The Certified Birth Certificate could be several things. It could state that he was born at home, in a taxi or many other places other than a hospital. It could be a Kenyan birth certificate. That is just the point. We all know the State of Hawaii is holding it sealed, we know Obama can produce it for $10.00, but he appears perfectly willing to let this issue run rife on the internet. The only way to start this analysis is for Obama to produce the Certified Birth Certificate. There are several sites that explain why a Certification of Live Birth issued for a birth in Hawaii prior to 1972 (when the laws were changed) is worthless as anyone could walk in off the street and register a child. It does not look like links can be added here. h t t p : / / hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20Aina%20Hoopulapula.pdf

By Timl

December 11, 2008 8:45 PM | Link to this

Did you read Hawaii state law? What I’m saying is Hawaii might have been told that information. Just as John Adams pointed out and with my last posting shows the COLB is not the way to prove where Obama was born. Hawaii COLB of Obama is what the Hawaii officials were told at that time. Where is the name of the hospital, the doctors, and all witnesses and that will prove things.

By amy

December 11, 2008 8:41 PM | Link to this

How many of you here know that there is a difference between citizen and natural born citizen, or the difference between certification of live birth or certificate of birth.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 8:40 PM | Link to this

No, Tim, I think you’re missing the point. The COLB, in black and white, where it says “CITY, TOWN OR LOCATION OF BIRTH,” it’s filled in “HONOLULU.” The state, by affixing its seal, attests that the information contained therein is true. There’s no way around it, he was born in Hawaii.

By amy

December 11, 2008 8:38 PM | Link to this

I am amazed at the responses in here from people who dont have a clue about the CONSTITUTIONAL requirements for presidential eligibility and NOT a clue that those cases in US Supreme Court as of NOW are NOT filed by Republicans , but by a democrat and an Independent.. There is ANOTHER in front of the US Supreme Court tomorrow. How mant of you even know that?

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 8:36 PM | Link to this

No, Tim, I think you’re missing the point. <> The state, by its seal, attests that the information contained therein is true. Are you saying that it’s not?

By John Adams

December 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this

It is about the Constitution, not hate, race or anything else. The Democratic Party and Obama have created this mess by not producing a certified copy of Obama’s birth certificate at a cost of $10.00 BEFORE THE ELECTION. Interesting, go back to the Hillary blogs prior to the primaries, which were filled with questions about Obama’s birth certificate. So if any of you Demo’s want to argue with someone give Hillary a call. For the Democratic Party and Obama to let this go through the election without an answer is what has caused this issue. At this point Obama needs to produce a certified copy of his birth certificate that will list the name of the hospital, the doctors, and all witnesses. If that confirms that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii this will go away. If the birth certificate states that Obama was born in a taxi, at home or any other place than a hospital in Hawaii it first proof that that Obama is a liar. The second question then becomes where was he born? The laws that would apply to Obama states that if was not born in US territory he is not a “natural born” citizen and he is not eligible to hold the office. Obama could pay $10.00 and end this, or continue to stay behind the curtain and send in his legal teams to fight production of his certified birth certificate. If that happens it will not pass the smell test and this issue will not die.

By Tim

December 11, 2008 8:32 PM | Link to this

Registration of live births under the vague laws in Hawaii in 1961 is not proof of birth in Hawaii at all. Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows “registration” of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. The only way to know where Senator Obama was actually born is to view Senator Obama’s original birth certificate from 1961 that shows the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor that delivered him. Registration of birth is not the same as Certificate of Live Birth (LONG FORM) because as mentioned earlier Hawaii Revised Statute 338-178 allows registration of birth in Hawaii for a child that was born outside of Hawaii to parents who, for a year preceding the child’s birth, claimed Hawaii as their place of residence. Registration of live births under the vague laws in Hawaii in 1961 is not proof of birth in Hawaii at all. Read the laws on the books in Hawaii for registration of births in 1961. This is what the law actually allowed in 1961. “Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.” See links below for more about the relevant Hawaiian law. A computer generated Certification of Live Birth (COLB) issued in Hawaii is not acceptable to even their own courts as conclusive proof of birth in Hawaii. Under Hawaiian law in 1961, a child could be born anywhere in the world and have the birth registered in Hawaii by the mother after the birth, with true or false information, without any third party independent verification of said “facts” entered on the form by the mother, upon her returning to Hawaii using this law on the books in 1961.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 8:20 PM | Link to this

Tim — Sorry, that’s not right. The Certification of Live Birth doesn’t just say that his birth was registered in Hawaii. It says his place of birth was Hawaii — in fact, it says it was Honolulu. It’s an official state document. It has a seal. It proves that he was born in Honolulu.

By Tim

December 11, 2008 8:15 PM | Link to this

{The nonpartisan Web site Factcheck.org has examined Obama’s birth certificate from Hawaii and said it has a raised seal and the usual evidence of a genuine document.} I say that statement is not totally factual. What Factcheck.org has is a certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii not a BIRTH CERTIFICATE. This is like Factcheck.org holding on to a movie ticket stub that Obama has but it don’t prove Obama went to that movie. To prove Obama went to the movie someone had to see Obama there. So goes with the Factcheck.org Yes they have a certificate of live birth showing Obama has had his birth register in Hawaii. Just like Obama sister who was born in Indonesian has an Hawaii certificate of live birth. Just like the movie someone had to see Obama there same thing goes with his birth and only a long form Birth Certificate will prove what Hospital and what Dr. was there. The only thing is all the Hawaii Hospitals didn’t have Obama or his mother as a patient even the Hospitals Obama and his sister said he was born at. So questioning Obama to prove he legally qualified to hold the Office of President is not asking too much since it is the law. This is all Obama’s doings, if he is who he says he is then prove it with the long form Birth Certificate.

By Kevin

December 11, 2008 7:49 PM | Link to this

It is sad to see the number of incredibly ignorant people out there who are so fearful of a black man becoming President of the United States that they will clutch onto any reason (ridiculous as it may be) in order to cast doubt in the minds of their fellow ignorami. The issue has been thoroughly researched by credible, non-partisan entities. See, eg., http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/borninthe_usa.html. See, also, http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp. But it really doesn’t matter, because for some the mind is so closed to reason, that their is simply no room for common sense. As a lawyer and military officer with a high-level security clearance, I am well aware of the background checks that one goes through (state and federal) in order to achieve the positions that I have obtained. In order to become a lawyer, a US Senator, and a Presidential candidate, President-Elect Obama has been subjected to a thoroughly scrutinous process. If he were not a US citizen, there would be no senseless speculation about raised seals and timestamps. Given the media’s ravenous desire for a story it would be front page news.

By ste

December 11, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Since the repugnians want some sort of “investigation” then, they should not be too concerned about putting Bush on trial for war crimes. You know, using lies, deceptions and propaganda to start a war. Or, Cheney for conflict of interest. Or, both Bush and Cheney, for the outing of a CIA agent, a felony. Obama was born in Hawaii. Get over it, GOP, you lost, you lied and you hurt our country.

By Federalist

December 11, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

Steve: The problem is all of the Obama supporters went to government schools. They do not teach the constitution any more. Take a look at the history textbooks used in government schools. They are full of liberal, revisionist half-truths and distortions. Obama’s election is not a surprise. The government schools have graduated enough students now that have been “dumbed down” that Obama’s election was a cinch! But have no fear. They will react like a spoiled child when Obama does not come through with his endless list of campaign promises like eliminating their mortgage and paying for their gasoline. How gullible can you get!

By sue

December 11, 2008 7:08 PM | Link to this

Max, I’d love to be able to tell you the results of the electoral vote, but the fact is the electoral votes HAVEN’T BEEN CAST YET. Federalist…you are soooo right.

By Steve

December 11, 2008 7:05 PM | Link to this

I cannot understand what some of you Obama supporters are afraid of? Do you think he is not a citizen and that is why you do not want any one to look at this? Who are the crazies here? Is it the people who want us to follow the Constitution? NO!

By manbearpig

December 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Link to this

Obama produced a copy of a certificate of live birth (COLB) which is NOT the same thing as a birth certificate. you ignorant obamaniacs need to read the constitution and support it. If Obama can not produce a valid birth certificate for ALL to view he needs to hit the road, if not prison for lying to the American public.

By Steve

December 11, 2008 6:56 PM | Link to this

It only costs $12 for him to get a certified copy from Hawaii. This is so simple why would any real American be upset that our elected officials are following the Constitution. Goog for you Diana!

By Federalist

December 11, 2008 6:54 PM | Link to this

Republicans, let sleeping dogs lie. The edges of the Democratic President elects’ veil is already starting to fray. He and his staff have lowered expectations. Now that Obama and his staff have had their briefing in Washington, they know the contents of Pandora’s box. They are beginning to realize that the promise of CHANGE (a Clinton 3rd term) will bring nothing but disappointment. Democrats, you are about to re-live the disappointment of your childhood..there is no Santa Claus! Watch for the big win for Republicans in 2010 and 2012. Sarah rocks.

By john

December 11, 2008 6:45 PM | Link to this

The one from Alaska has got to be questionable. I want proof she is of this planet.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 6:29 PM | Link to this

LOL, Obama has shown proof! What are you talking about?

By Inquiring mind

December 11, 2008 6:26 PM | Link to this

All people running for President and Vice President owe it to all of America to be able to prove they’re American’s by birth and show proof is asked for it. If obama won’t show proof he was born in America, how can we trust him to run the country? I don’t think it’s to much to ask of a person running for such a high office.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

reggie, his COLB is proof that he was born in Hawaii. It is solid, court-worthy evidence, and not a shred of evidence has been brought to oppose it, just a lot of chatter. You’re right, some people think he’s hiding something. But far, far more people think he’s come clean, but that he’s being hounded by a tiny fringe with an agenda that has nothing to do with upholding the Constitution.

By Mick

December 11, 2008 5:32 PM | Link to this

Just look at the USA. Can’t live with the fact an african american has been voted into the White House. We have ignorant individuals attempting to question Obama’s proof of birth in the USA, school children being suspended in Virginia and South Carolina for wearing Obama t-shirts(but it is ok to where a t-shirt with the confederate flag). What next, the KKK has the best interest of the USA. Get over it Obama haters!

By Mick

December 11, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

Just look at the USA. Can’t live with the fact an african american has been voted into the White House. We have ignorant individuals attempting to question Obama’s proof of birth in the USA, school children being suspended in Virginia and South Carolina for wearing Obama t-shirts(but it is ok to where a t-shirt with the confederate flag). What next, the KKK has the best interest of USA. Get over it!

By Mick

December 11, 2008 5:29 PM | Link to this

Just look at the USA. Can’t live with the fact an african american has been voted into the White House. We have ignorant individuals attempting to question Obama’s proof of birth in the USA, school children being suspended in Virginia and South Carolina. What next, the KKK has the best interest of USA. Get over it!

By reggie98ud

December 11, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

Rob, the issue most people have is that McCain released his documents for PUBLIC inspection, Obama did not. This portrays a sense that he is hiding something. If Obama would just release the records all of this could be solved. That being the said, what reason does he have for keeping them sealed?

By Mike

December 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Link to this

Please put your star/bars flag on all your vehicles. Also fly it at home. Join the local Klan thats your right including this “Lady” but stop let’s see what he does in the next year.Who knows maybe he will actually accomplish something besides jobs being exported/phony wars and private companies getting rich do to both of these

By Rob

December 11, 2008 5:13 PM | Link to this

reggie & Jim - sorry for baiting you but you’re both absolutely right and I knew it. Coco Solo was indeed a US sub base in the Canal Zone. But it’s not as if there weren’t questions - like the fact that the Senator was born five years before the hospital was built, and the base was under the command of his grandfather who could have signed off on anything. The point is just because “I read it somewhere” doesn’t make it so. A court has certified that Senator McCain is for the intent of running for the Presidency “a natural born citizen”. A court has also certified that for the intent of running for the Presidency Senator Obama is “a natural born citizen”. Why would anybody be expected to respect only one of those determinations and not the other? Rep. Fessler has some ‘splainin’ to do about her sudden disrespect for courts and laws.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 5:09 PM | Link to this

Debbie, you’re simply wrong. His Certification of Live Birth is proof, it is prima facie evidence valid in any court in the land. Unless you can show it to be forged, case closed.

By Irene

December 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Link to this

OMG, will you people just get over it. Obama won, the people spoke. When Bush won twice the people spoke then too, but alot of us weren’t happy about if for obvious reasons as we see what’s happening with our ecomony and world today. Yet when we asked over and over again for Bush to be charged on war crimes and other wrong doings, nothing came of it. Hell we have proof he’s all the illegal things he’s done since he’s been in office. Obama isn’t even sworn in yet and some of you are trying every last straw to stop it. Simply because you have predjudcies that you’ll never admit to, but things like this makes it pretty clear about how some of you really feel. Yeah keep talking to we can really know who the closet racist are. Obama is American, born in the state of Hawaii. Get over it.

By reggie98ud

December 11, 2008 4:58 PM | Link to this

Rob, you do our great name a disservice. McCain was born to an Amercian Serviceman stationed at an American Base. That base, just like any embassy is considered American soil for the purposes of citizenship. Are you saying that none of the children born to our great military personel serving overseas be considered American Citizens? The problem is that the general public still has not seen the proof that factcheck.org (hardly a bipartisan entity) supposedly saw. If Obama was truely born in Hawaii, why not just release the records? That’s what “they” are trying to get at, just a little proof.

By phil

December 11, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Its politicians like her that make me sick. They hide their racism behind their “trying to find the facts” lie. These type of politicians are more dangerous than the crook from Illinois, his type of crime is more obvious, hers is the subtle type of hate that has devided the country for years. After what the republicans have done to this country in the past eight years how can she even look herself in the mirror.

By steve

December 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

It is the Constitution on two levels. It is a citizenship requirement for POTUS. It is a requirement that the EC vote per the citizenship requirement. If a candidate is a citizen then what is the big deal?

By joe

December 11, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

Max, a landslide in political terms is 60 per cent or greater. Besides that, this is a dumb conversation and pointless too.

By Jim

December 11, 2008 4:49 PM | Link to this

Rob, McCain was born on a naval base which by LAW makes him a natural born citizen. Get your facts straight.

By Jim

December 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

I just can’t understand why so many libs are against verifying that a candidate is QUALIFIED according to the CONSTITUTION. By LAW, he or she has to be a natural born citizen of the United States. It has nothing to do with “sour grapes,” that’s just absurd. If there was any question that Bush was a natural born citizen, I’m sure he would have proved it, just as McCain did. It amazes me how libs only want the law of the land be followed when it doesn’t involve a democrat.

By Rob

December 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Link to this

Great idea! Senator McCain? Born in the Panama Canal zone, my friends! President Elect Obama - born in Hawaii, an actual state. Therefore, all the electroral votes should be awarded to President Elect Obama. Is that what they’re trying to get at?

By Dixie Lady

December 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Will all you White-Ango Saxons get over your insecurity and admit the majority of American voters have elected someone other than a White Anglo Saxon- By the way I am a White Anglo Saxon that voted for Obama and not afraid to admit that no one has all the answers-but he offered more than any other candidate running.

By Max

December 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

Hey Sue, I guess your one of the ones still crying huh? Don’t Play semantics ok? Since you know the % why don’t you now tell everyone the final result of the electorial vote count. The election was over by 10:00PM remember? Every channel I watched that night called it a landslide. At least your candidate accepted the defeat graciously. Sue You lost. If Fact you got your a*s kicked!

By Dixie Lady

December 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

Will all you White-Ango Saxons get over your insecurity and admit the majority of American voters have elected someone other than a White Anglo Saxon- By the way I am a White Anglo Saxon that voted for Obama and not afraid to admit that no one has all the answers-but he offered more than any other candidate running.

By Skeptic

December 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Link to this

This is too funny. Should we check Bush’s birth certificate too? This was stupid to begin with and already lost in court. Get over it. We should be angry that our legislators seemingly have nothing better to do but grind partisan axes. This kind of attitude is just one of the many reasons Obama won… we’ve had enough of it!

By mechengr9

December 11, 2008 4:18 PM | Link to this

Freedomlover- you are ate up. Just because you read something or see it on you tube doesn’t make it facts. When he decided to run for president he had to authenticate his birth at that time. This has been asked and answered ad infinitum. Oh and sorry SUE 53% 365-173 electoral college IS a landslide by any experts opinion, not mine.

By MaineSkeptic

December 11, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

The Certificate of Live Birth is an official State of Hawaii document, with a stamp and a seal, and it states that Obama was born in Honolulu. It is prima facie evidence in any court in the United States, and unless it can be shown to be a forgery, it is proof positive that he was born in Hawaii.

By Bob

December 11, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

This is an absurd proposal. Only for the sake of discussion, let’s presume there’s a problem with the President-Elect’s birth credentials. Why would you wait until the December 15th meeting of the Electors? At this point, the people have spoken and expressed their will. Is Rep. Fessler seriously suggesting that due diligence be postphoned until after the election rather than before? Is she suggesting that a technicality be deployed to nullify my vote?

By 20090120

December 11, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Let’s hope W. isn’t a citizen. Maybe we can invalidate the last 8 years. Anyone check?

By sue

December 11, 2008 4:07 PM | Link to this

53% of the vote hardly constitutes a landslide

By AmericanCitizen

December 11, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Can Ms. Fessler send us a copy of her certified birth certificate please? U.S. Citizenship is required to hold a seat in the Ohio House.

By Max

December 11, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

I continue to be amazed at sour grapes attitude of the Republicans. you are still crying about an election that happened 6 weeks ago. It isn’t a dream. That is right, YOU LOST! It was a LANDSLIDE. Nothing you say, do or dream up is going to change that. Please quit crying and get on with your life.Oh I forgot, you don’t have a life,That is why your still crying.

By fessler is useless

December 11, 2008 4:02 PM | Link to this

The woman is a joke, can’t recall her ever authoring any bills or doing anything useful. I had an issue with state government one time that needed resolved. I emailed her, called and left numerous messages for a week and never got a response. I doubt she spends much time at her job other than making ignorant resolutions of no value.

By POTO

December 11, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Hey, while wasting time, resources and our tax dollars on this why not check Cheney and Bush, too. These two are so out of touch with reality and the common America quite makes them out of this world!

By sue

December 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Link to this

Speaking of brains, Gary, where’s yours? The Constitution already sets out the requirements; therefore, any “bill” contradicting it would be unconstitutional.

By Freedomlover

December 11, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

Why are Republicans afraid to explore the possiblity that Obama is not an American citizen? Obama’s own paternal grandmother stated on Youtube that she witnessed the birth of her grandson in Kenya. He also had citizenship in Indonesia, and was known as Barry Sotero. There is absolutely no evidence that he is an American citizen. Do the lawmakers have the will to act???? I doubt it! Hopefully, the Illinois blow-out with the governor will expose Obama for what he is; a fraud.

By Gary

December 11, 2008 3:26 PM | Link to this

Why not come up with a bill that say’s any child born to at least one american citizen anywhere in the world is an american unless they denouce it on their 18th birthday..this way it’s a no brainer…with dna ..this would be an easy check!

By null

December 11, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

why bother the man won fair and square leave well enough alone. The Obama haters need to get a life and move on. What’s done is done