By MnM

December 23, 2009 7:35 AM | Link to this

Jim - You sound like that crazy rep from FL who says Republicans just want us to die. If anyone is for “big business”, then it’s Obama: he cut a deal with Big Pharma, and after promises of “no lobbyists” his admin is full of Big Business lobbyists. Democrats and Republicans alike are beholden to deep pockets, and I believe you’ll find that there are more Democrat millionaires than Republican ones. One thing is certain, Republicans are for Big Liberty, and this reform package severely restricts our freedoms. BTW, Moe is one of your left-wing plants, purposely spelling like that to convey a false impression. Wise up.

By Jim

December 22, 2009 7:20 PM | Link to this

Moe, Did you learn to spell from Larry or Curly? Demicrate? Didn’t the little red line come on? I’d love to hear your definition of socialism too. And MnM, I happen to agree with you, that this bill falls short of the reforms that are needed. You make some good points. But let’s be honest, the Republicans are never going get it done because they support big business. And the Dems are too weak to stand up. Lieberman, Connecticut, and AIG is the perfect example of why we can’t get anything done.

By Walter Lamber

December 22, 2009 2:47 PM | Link to this

John Boehner speaks well for me. We must let these senators know they will be out next year if they let this bill pass this week.

By Dan Moe

December 22, 2009 9:44 AM | Link to this

The problem I have is the demicrate leftist ajenda is taking our country into socialism, it needs to stop NOW.

By Champsummers

December 22, 2009 8:49 AM | Link to this

This bill will bankrupt the country if Obama hasn’t done so already. Sherrod Brown is counting on a $500 billion dollar cut in Medicare and a $240 billion dollar “Doctor Fix”. Obama and Sherrod are liars! If you believe the spineless Democrats are actually going to make those cuts; I have a General Motors plant I will sell you.

By MnM

December 22, 2009 7:24 AM | Link to this

Jim - it’s obvious you either just read left-wing talking points or your first statement is a cop-out, avoiding the facts that the health “care” reform is not about care but about control. There’s plenty of finger-pointing that can be done 2 or 3 different ways, but the current bills (from both houses) do not do anything for real reform.

By Jim

December 21, 2009 9:19 PM | Link to this

Aker, It really doesn’t matter to the Republicans what’s in the bill, because they are going to oppose anything and everything that helps the consumer, and regulates big insurance. You do realize that the senate bill and the house bill have to go conference, right? There’s so much misinformation on here that the DDN should do an article that explains the basic tenants of these bills and how the process works. Of course, then people would actually have to read, which doesn’t happen much.

By Travis Aker

December 21, 2009 2:00 PM | Link to this

Plus the democrats and republicans don’t even have a clue whats in the health care plan,all 2000+pages of it. Again yes the many Americans in the gallop polls has said no they don’t want health care changed.

By Travis AKer

December 21, 2009 1:55 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah you keep on blaming for Bush for everything he is been out of the White House for what a Year now,and I think part of the blame can be put on Obama now. You can’t spend your way out of the recession,and keep on borrowing money from China,you have to pay down the national debt,the states can’t afford the health care bill,it would make all the state go bankrupt. Oh yeah what about Obama’s plan to stop earmark’s in the plan,sorry for him he is a f**king liar.

By MnM

December 21, 2009 12:56 PM | Link to this

So Ohio’s tax$$ will pay for Nebraska’s permanent increase in Medicaid, along with paying for the goodies VT, LA, FL, CT got in the bill. If Senator Brown did such a good thing, then how come he didn’t bring home the goodies for Ohio? What, Ohio is so rich we can pay for other state’s new health care?

By MnM

December 21, 2009 12:48 PM | Link to this

Yes, we do need health care reform. But what got passed undercover of darkness in the Senate is not about “care” but about “control”. To think otherwise is to be ignorant of what is in the bill. And it raises taxes on nearly everyone, not “the rich” … do you use a Flexible Spending Account? Guess what, you won’t be able to use it for OTC after the bill passes. That’s a tax increase, and there’s lots more in the language.

By Jim

December 21, 2009 12:09 PM | Link to this

Aker, The only people who will be paying higher taxes are those making 250k or more a year. It’s the Republicans who don’t care about the American people. Almost a trillion in unfunded Tax cuts for the very wealthy. No bid contracts increased 129% from 2002 to 2008. Deficit DOUBLED under Bush. They had eight years and made no attempt at any health care reform. You’re not living in the real world if you don’t think we need health care reform. Apparently the 400 million the insurance lobby spent in propaganda worked on you.

By Travis Aker

December 21, 2009 10:15 AM | Link to this

Are you kidding me Scott and Jay,the only thing that doing is killing jobs by passing this health care,and making us pay higher taxes yet to boot to pay for it. The American public can’t afford it because we don’t have jobs. The democrats don’t care about the interests of the American people at all. Did you not know this health care bill has earmarks in it,so that the health care bill will be passed. The only thing this plan is going to do is bankrupt the state’s and federal government.The American have said we don’t want it.

By Jim

December 21, 2009 9:51 AM | Link to this

Concerned, Instead of reading the Bible, why don’t you try reading what’s in this bill. You sound like a wacko. There’s very specific language. No public monies for abortion. What did you think Ben Nelson was holding out for? Ever hear of the Hyde Amendment? And secondly, The Insurance lobby spent 400 million on propaganda to defeat this bill. Looks like it worked on you. Why don’t you apply some of your Bible teachings to corporations who make billions, deny treatment, all while driving thousands and thousands of ordinary people and families into financial ruin.

By Concerned

December 20, 2009 11:01 PM | Link to this

The 10 Commandments - God’s Revelation in the Old Testament The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible’s Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt: “And God spoke all these words, saying: ‘I am the LORD your God… ONE: ‘You shall have no other gods before Me.’ TWO: ‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.’ THREE: ‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.’ FOUR: ‘Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.’ FIVE: ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ SIX: ‘You shall not murder.’ SEVEN: ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ EIGHT: ‘You shall not steal.’ NINE: ‘You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.’ TEN: ‘You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.’ How can they reconcile compelling us to purchase this and not violate the tenth commandment? How can they justify paying for abortion and not violate the sixth commandment? How can they continue to lie to us and not violate the ninth commandment? They may just pay the ultimate price.

By darrell

December 20, 2009 10:57 PM | Link to this

Karma is a Biotch barking bulldog, but I am sure you are not aware of that since you are the perfect person. Careful what you wish for about dying and dying early, you don’t sound like you are in the right gene pool!

By scott

December 20, 2009 10:02 PM | Link to this

Health care for all of our fellow citizens is just the Christian thing to do. I’m blessed to have a good job with good health care, but these insurance companies have gotten away with the crimes of making their costs impossible for many to afford for too long. If hard working Americans , that recieve no health care have their tax dollars going to pay for Congressmen to have great government health care, then Congress should make sure these citizens have health care as well.

By scott

December 20, 2009 9:57 PM | Link to this

As a middle classs, hard working Christian man with grteat health care, I’m just ecstatic that Congress finally is going to do what the people voted the Democrats into power for. Care more about the American people than another big business. So many hard working Americans have lost their jobs, and many with jobs still can’t have health care because Republicans have always cared more about big business than working class Americans. You can’t believe the pleasure hearing them cry a river brings to me.

By showmethemoney

December 20, 2009 8:19 PM | Link to this

If this health bill passes Boehner will lose millions of dollars from the insurance people who pay him. And the Repub. party will lose its only sponsors……..

By Joe

December 20, 2009 7:54 PM | Link to this

Anyone who says that the Republicans have no ideas don’t listen very well. They have many, but the democrats keep shutting them out. If this plan is so good why does a couple of states get it better that others. This bill is suppose to make fair, doesn’t appear that way. If this bill so great shouldn’t the government employees including the president, congress and senate have to go on it? If don’t get insurance you will pay penalty to the IRS, and this is written from people who are getting caught not paying their own…its time for a change and it will be in the house and senate next november.

By Joe

December 20, 2009 7:53 PM | Link to this

Anyone who says that the Republicans have no ideas don’t listen very well. They have many, but the democrats keep shutting them out. If this plan is so good why does a couple of states get it better that others. This bill is suppose to make fair, doesn’t appear that way. If this bill so great shouldn’t the government employees including the president, congress and senate have to go on it? If don’t get insurance you will pay penalty to the IRS, and this is written from people who are getting caught not paying their own…its time for a change and it will be in the house and senate next november.

By kurt

December 20, 2009 7:48 PM | Link to this

Republicans got all the answers————when they’re NOT in power.If it weren’t for putting down the other party,they’d have no drum to bang at all.The last REAL republican this country had was DDE.All that followed are members of the CWP [ Corporate Whore Party]Get a real candidate and just shut up—or watch your beloved Faux “news”

By HowNow

December 20, 2009 5:22 PM | Link to this

“Get Real”: get an MD and/or stop playing God. There are many health-related reasons why women need full access to obgyn services. Real life is NOT simple for an ADULT. Use the BRAIN God gave you.

By barking bulldog

December 20, 2009 5:03 PM | Link to this

Can you beleive these liberals? What pure unmitigated hogwash. They are biggoted racists who divide our country on class. What they don’t admit to is buying the vote of the “takers” - those people (liberals) who are likely undereducated or dropouts, past or present drug users, past or present drinkers, smokers and other types who abuse their bodies, they are unemployed or underemployed, have had children out of wedlock and generally want you and I to take care of them and provide for them for the rest of their little miserable lives. I have no compassion for them - die and die early - clear the genepool of your self centered “its all about my wants and needs” attitude. PAY YOUR OWN WAY THRU LIFE. I don’t care if you have made many poor life choices - go out and get three jobs and support yourself. Don’t procreate and spread your sorry-a*s DNA. If you can’t afford healath insurance because you drink and smoke and don’t have a good job - TOO BAD!!! Your fault! Not Mine and how dare the Democrats pass thisd bill against the will of the American people. Just another byout for the votes of losers’ Party. INSURRECTION IS COMING. Maybe even before 2010!!!!!

By HowNow

December 20, 2009 4:39 PM | Link to this

Everyone still enjoying the Bush rebate checks (magic beans) they sold their farms for? Dems don’t WANT control over your life. Good government is like a traffic light; thoughtful restructuring of the healthcare system is neccessary and preferred to maintain EVERYONE’s quality of life. Individuals are and have been unable to equally bargain with Health Insurance Companies. As we learned from the Duhbya years, capitalism without proper regulation in place will kill the golden goose (the American consumer’s buying power). Republicans only care about short-term gains.

By Get Real

December 20, 2009 4:31 PM | Link to this

Why do we have to pay for abortions? That is sick, if you do not want a child go on birth control!! How much more simple can it be?

By HowRad

December 20, 2009 4:10 PM | Link to this

Brown couldn’t care less about Ohio’s middle class families, he’s more interested in pushing the progressive agenda, big government and control. If it comes from Brown, flush it down.

By Jim

December 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Link to this

Disgusted, You’re disgusted with the wrong folks. You should be disgusted with companies like United Health Care who make 4 billion in PROFITS and pay their CEO 20 million a year while forcing families into bankruptcy and denying coverage. You should be disgusted with GWB for the way Vets were treated upon return from action. All this tough talk from Bush, but pathetic treatment of Vets. BTW, the public option has been off the table for a couple of weeks now, so your post makes no sense.

By scoobydo

December 20, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this

Republicans have voted together to block Democrats’ attempts to pass legislation more often than any Congress in history. On December 18, Republicans broke the modern-day record for the most filibusters in history, according to Campaign for America’s Future.

By scoobydo

December 20, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this

Single Payer would end it but will never be passed. Boehner and the GOP, what a surprise, they say NO and propose NOTHING; yep that is a party worthy of votes, did nothing but start wars and huge spending for eight years, then act like they are for smaller gov. and controls on spending. Only time they want controls on spending is when they are not the ones spending. These hypocrites’ would be a lot more believable if anyone of them had said a word in the last eight years instead of having a 100% voting record following GWB and his warmongering and spending free for all. Now that someone is trying to spend tax money on the American people, they are all up in arms about it. Throwaway money on Halliburton and rebuilding two countries we unsuccessfully occupy that is not a problem for the party of NO.

By disgusted

December 20, 2009 2:36 PM | Link to this

Talking from experience, a nam veteran waiting two plus years for a decision on medical disability decision. I can’t wait to see how the American people will react when they may have to wait a day, week, month, year or years for a decision on their personal health care. Good luck folks for America is gone as we know it. Thanks to all the dem’s and far left. Oh I must remember to include the wonderful unions who have helped destroy this once great country. Merry Christmas fools.

By theshawn

December 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Link to this

Anyone who thinks this health care bill is going to lower health care costs is in la la land. Show me ONE government run program, that has lowered costs over time?? Yea, that’s right, there isn’t one. Prepare for the next stock market plunge ya’ll. BS global warming regulations, and then this, along with budget deficits so large any real company would have been bankrupt long ago. Should be fun to watch.

By Leslie

December 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Link to this

Jay you sure showed what an uneducated bozo you are. You know no facts just propaganda.

By Recall

December 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Link to this

7 states provide for the recall of senators. Our group is exploring what is required to ammend the state constitution to provide for the recall of senators. They are elected to represnt us, not for toeing the party line. If sucessful we hope to have this on the ballot next year.

By NotARobot

December 20, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this

Jay, very impressive response. What year did you graduate from the 6th grade? You’re the reason our once great country is on the slide: uneducated and looking for a hand-out.

By JJ

December 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Link to this

Jim - sometimes doing nothing is the best option. At least the impact should be considered more carefully. The statements about this bill that say middle-class taxes won’t be raised, that health care premiums will not rise, that people can keep their current insurance plan, and that the budget deficit will be reduced, need to stop because they are all untrue. But if you think this is good thing then by all means keep on truckin’. Peace.

By Jim

December 20, 2009 12:40 PM | Link to this

JJ, Yes, I’m bothered by several of the points you make. But what’s the alternative? Status Quo? Start over and nothing will get done. The Republicans are going to oppose anything and everything as they’re more concerned about political posturing, than helping the American people. So as imperfect as this bill is, it’s better than nothing. They also have to merge the House and Senate versions, so nothing’s 100% final.

By Uneducated Bozo

December 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Link to this

Jay - according to my American Heritage dictionary the meaning of socialized medicine is “The provision of medical and hospital care for the people at nominal cost by means of government regulation of health services and subsidies derived from taxation”. Or does this new legislation mandate that the definition be changed?

By Jay

December 20, 2009 12:22 PM | Link to this

Man there are a lot of uneducated bozos that are ignorant of the facts. First of all go research American liberalism and the true meaning of it. And go search socialism and the true meaning of it and you’ll see that socialism is against liberalism and vice versa. Second, about Healthcare if you’re going to allow the buying of healthcare across state lines then you know what’s going to happen? The healthcare companies to choose to drop certain services or treatments from their coverages. SO the cheaper the coverage of one state’s healthcare plan, the less coverage you will get. One healthcare plan like in Alabama might not cover certain treatments as a plan in ohio would. So that is the problem with buying across state lines. You’l still end up paying higher premiums for coverage of some advanced medical treatment. And if we had McCain’s idea of taxing your healthcare benefits you wouldn’t be able to afford a good plan. So setting up a health insurance exchange is a great idea because you’ll be able to shop for every kind of plan which includes the public plans that government officials have. You need the public/private competition. Employee based healthcare has many flaws and the consumer must have many options to choose from. But anyway people here are fixated on always blaming the person who’s party is in power instead of. You know good well this economy went into recession under Bush and now that the dems are running the white house its their fault… What the heck? Blasphemy! They’re the ones that are inherited this mess and now the republicans are playing sour losers because they got beat last year in the elections and don’t want to sit at the dinner table and offer their own ideas. What selfish idiots they are. This economy is growing now. 2.5% growth last quarter and the employment rate has declined. ITs going to take months before the jobs come back..Not tomorrow! Job growth takes time and people steady complain that Obama isn’t doing anything. Well I got news for you. Obama has done a lot in his first year in the office than Bush did in his 4 years . Oh wait I Know what Bush did. He took our budget surplus and spend every dime with his 1 trillion dollar tax cut plan. Most of that went to the wealthiest people in the country. Why give to people that don’t need a tax cut? I’ll be glad when Obama lets those bush tax cuts expire because that would help in paying off the debt we have. 1 Trillion dollar tax cuts! Go figure that on a 25 million dollar surplus! And don’t whine about socialism when deregulation caused this economy to spin into a recession. 10 years in the making. Lack of regulation and fairness of the free market hammered this economy. Yes Clinton signed the deregulation pact into law but it was heavily Bi-partisan bill to repeal the glass-steagal act before he signed. And here we are. Now we need to reform our healthcare system which is causing our debt to rise and people not being able to afford it and gain access. If you people don’t think a healhcare exchange is not a great Idea then go look up massachusetts’ version of it. A Republican by the name of Mitt Romney proposed it and it was a bipartisan plan. Now its working pretty well. Now they gotta get the costs down because there is no public plan to compete.

By JJ

December 20, 2009 12:18 PM | Link to this

Jim - and you think that is going to happen? Do you know all the loopholes? How about the sweetheart deals for the drug companies, and several of the states, for which the rest of us will carry the burden? Does that not bother you? And the $130 plus billion savings. When in the last 100 years has the government met projected numbers for any project it has undertaken. Yep - you can trust the government. Just ask any American Indian.

By Jim

December 20, 2009 12:12 PM | Link to this

JJ, I think this legislation is a good starting point, and better than nothing. It regulates that 80% of premiums must go directly to care. No more pre existing or dropped coverage.

By in their pockets

December 20, 2009 12:03 PM | Link to this

“Among the changes Senate Democratic leaders made to the massive health care package unveiled Saturday was giving nonprofit health insurance companies a limited exemption from the excise tax levied on insurers, a revision pushed by Sen. Carl Levin, who is a major recipient of campaign contributions from mega-nonprofit Blue Cross Blue Shield.”

By Leslie

December 20, 2009 11:59 AM | Link to this

Sherrod Brown, cares about Ohio citizens? Is that why he stands behind and supports a bill that requires all states to help pay for medicaid in NE, VT, and LA. Brown read the constitution and you will find this deal made with exceptions for some states is unconstitutional. Ohio pays for their poor why does Ohio now have to support the poor in those 3 states. These liberals are dividing the country. Our local legislators need to speak out and stop Washington from stomping on our state rights.

By Embarrassed Democrat

December 20, 2009 11:58 AM | Link to this

There’s a good article in the Washington Times today - it states that Blue Cross/Blue Shield which is a “non-profit” INSURANCE firm is EXEMPT from the bill thanks to a certain Democrat’s accepting money from lobbyists to “sway” him.

By JJ

December 20, 2009 11:55 AM | Link to this

Hey Jim - those insurance companies you are whining about were set up by the government to make all that money. You really believe this new legislation is going to fix this?

By kurt

December 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Link to this

Let’s get one thing straight:The whole gist of ANY reform can/should be a long term solution to the joke known as COBRA.THIS is why business put a stop to real reform.They want to whine about the cost of health care,but do not want to relinquish the power they retain over employees by providing it.The sword has TWO edges.Workers over 50 years of age had better perk up and realize that through technology/efficiency,their 35 to 40 years of work could be wiped out in one fell swoop

By Jim

December 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Link to this

LBerry, This bill puts regulations on the insurance industry. No new taxes for anyone making less than 250k. Plus, it cuts the deficit by 130 billion over ten years. You can whine all you want, but there are too many middle class families losing homes, filing bankruptcy, and being denied treatment because of a broken health care system. Status Quo, which is what the Republicans want, only exacerbates the problem. Obstructionism solves nothing.

By pissed

December 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Link to this

All you have to do is see who takes the bribes from the health care industry. Boehner it up there with the rest of the republican pary. But they can`t take all the blame, five democrats are the biggest crooks of all. Follow the money. As for Jesus, I think he would be for health care.

By Jim

December 20, 2009 11:34 AM | Link to this

Broke and Chains, You must not be keeping up. The public option is out, and has been for several weeks. So is the early Medicare buy in. You guys get on here and argue and have no idea what you’re talking about.

By L Berry

December 20, 2009 11:29 AM | Link to this

Dear karl, ASking about faults of Insurance Companies doesn’t make Sen Brown any less of a Spend, Spend, Spend liberal Democrat who is only interested in fronting socialism and forcing hugh debts on us, the working class…woops Upper Class Americans.

By Jim

December 20, 2009 11:26 AM | Link to this

United Health Care is ranked 21st on the Fortune 500 list. Four BILLION in profits, CEO making 20 million, while normal, WORKING families are losing homes, filing bankruptcy, and being denied treatment. Too many of you are buying into the propaganda and are acting against your own self interest. Tax increases will only be on those making 250k and up.

By kurt

December 20, 2009 11:23 AM | Link to this

Since when did health-care become a “moral issue” ? Republicans have had MORE than a fair shot at eradicating abortion BUT have accomplished NOTHING—isn’t it time to accept that fact and just look for GOOD leadership instead of compromising ourselves along a single issue ? Republicans are like Don Quixote [ except they can’t find a windmill]

By DanS

December 20, 2009 11:11 AM | Link to this

Ohio should start small. How about mandated employee rest breaks like almost every other state in the nation has for it’s workforce. Ohio leaders should be ashamed !!

By kurt

December 20, 2009 11:07 AM | Link to this

Dear L Berry,you paint Sherrod Brown as someone who is good at using someone else’s money—do you think the insurance companies are any LESS guilty of that fact ? “Those who fail to govern themselves SHALL be governed”—-sound familiar ?

By kurt

December 20, 2009 10:59 AM | Link to this

Hey L Brown—you don’t think the rich have the funds for such programs ? I’ll bet,though,that you’re convinced trickle down economics works.Don’t pee on me and tell me it’s raining

By kurt

December 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Link to this

The only reason health care is an issue is because of a graying America.These insurance companies had no problem “quoting” health care costs at $4/hour over and above my wages when I was young and didn’t use it,but NOW that I [ like many workers] may need it,we’re the “bad guys”Ante up or get out of town

By L Berry

December 20, 2009 10:53 AM | Link to this

I have exchanged e-mails with Sen Brown about this and other big spending bills he supports. His answer is his mission is to support and strengthen the “Middle Class”. But at who’s expense? The rich upper class whom he sees as the funding party for his “spreading the wealth” programs. But he does not define Middle Class or Upper Class as far as income. Remember Obama started Middle class at $400,00 top salary and has reduced it to last count $45-50k. Socialism has failed to answer any questions about success. European social states tax working class above 50%. Is that what we want?

By kurt

December 20, 2009 10:42 AM | Link to this

People “listen” to Hannity and Beck because they’re sensationalists.They would have you believe that democrats are atheists,communists and think Hitler was God.Fair and balanced—-my a**e

By kurt

December 20, 2009 10:36 AM | Link to this

Let’s face a fact:Insurance companies are MERE underwriters of someone ELSES cash—not theirs.They provide NO VALUE to health-care.They had no problem getting in bed with government on mandatory auto insurance and they have NO business thinking that THEY can pick and choose the markets they’re in.Once they bargained with government for the EASY MONEY,they determined what they really are—-glorified bookies

By kurt

December 20, 2009 10:29 AM | Link to this

Hey “broke and chains”,you could start with ONE basic fact:UPS is the world’s leader in workman’s comp claims.They don’t do things smarter,they just throw [expendable]labor at problems—-no wonder they provide full time benefits to part-time help,they throw it away as fast as they hire it

By Broke and Chains

December 20, 2009 10:22 AM | Link to this

Bruce, It’s easy who pays for health care, WE do. The middle class,and the upper class. I work at UPS. they provide health care as a benefit, i guess it is considered a “caddilac” plan because all I pay is a $10 co-pay. What will UPS’s incentive be to keep these plans for their employees if the Gov’t want’s to be the healthcare provider? Plus UPS won’t want to pay a tax on healthcare.40% was the figure the Senate gave out that they want to tax on “caddilac” plans. The best part is, all the taxes are front loaded, we will pay taxes now but healthcare doesn’t go into effect until 2013/14. DDN shouldn’t have to post the plan, the Senate is supposed to, but they probably won’t for a long time since they don’t read it themselves. Jim, people listen to Hannity and Beck because they are a lot better informed than Rachel Madcow and Olberman

By Jim

December 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Link to this

Bruce, Great idea. So much misinformation on here about what’s actually in this bill. Too many people listening to Hannity, Linbaugh, and Beck and are getting twisted views.

By mj

December 20, 2009 10:04 AM | Link to this

The DDN should also do an expose’ on C-Street and its scandals.

By Bruce Kettelle

December 20, 2009 9:59 AM | Link to this

To DDN: I just came from the breakfast shop and it is obvious our community does not understand the basic elements of this bill. Could you publish a simple table that itemizes the key issues and who pays for them?

By Jim

December 20, 2009 9:35 AM | Link to this

MJ, you’re right on target. Here’s a great quote by Sinclair Lewis. “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross” Did anyone see the GOP prayer session to stop health care reform. Two senators and Michele Bachmann. Watch it on youtube, you’ll see firsthand how whacked out these people are.

By Dontarguewithidiots

December 20, 2009 9:34 AM | Link to this

It’s okay MJ, say what you want, as whacked as it is but the President who gives himself a B+ isn’t seeing that the country is giving him an F-. Him and all the advocates of change will be out of a job soon enough, just ask Rhine McClin

By nospeekinglis

December 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this

TO: mj Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2010, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wish. To My Republican and Independent Friends: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year in the year of our Lord Jesus Christ 2010.

By troyoh

December 20, 2009 9:32 AM | Link to this

In no particular order, other than “money politics” is tightening its grip on DC. Whatever your political view keep the anger and energy going, we need to reach a critical mass where we vote incumbents out of office, like recent governor elections in Va and NJ, and our own mayor’s race. -it is NOT a Rep. or Dem thing, it is “money politics”. -our current financially caused recession is traced straight to the repeal of the Glass Steagal Act in 1997. Clinton was Pres. but he needed Rep. votes to pass it. This Act was passed after the Depression so it “wouldn’t happen again”. The few elders still alive from that period are angry and ask “how could we let it happen again” -Big pharma is supporting this Health Care bill, ask Sen. Brown “why would they do that?” B/C Obama cut a deal with them, don’t fight it and we’ll protect big pharma. When one Sen offered an amendment to permit importation of cheaper drugs from Canada, the Dems said “no, that would break the deal with pharma” Now I don’t care what party you support, but how can you blame that on Boehner or Bush or the Reps? -Reid says proudly it cuts 400 billion from Medicare but another provision adds back 200 to “reimburse doctors who recieve less b/c of the Medicare cuts”!!! -there are dramatically cheaper ways to expand health care coverage to the uninsured-that is not what this bill is about. -Obama admitted in his interview with Oprah, this bill is to “expand insurance coverage to 30 million Americans”, he did not say a word about lowering the staggering cost of medical care. -the problem is too complex for one bill fits all. Scrap it, and start over. EVERYBODY agrees no exclusion for pre-existing condition, more interstate competition among the companies writing medical insurance, and expand lower-cost neighborhood clinics. Work from a base of consensus, instead of contention. Have provisions that p**s off big pharma, don’t invite them in bed. If the AMA and big pharma support it, you know it is bad for you and me.

By Lou

December 20, 2009 9:25 AM | Link to this

Ignorance is rampant! It’s easy to see that many don’t realize that it is corporations that provide jobs, health care, food, fuel and transportation. Too bad people can’t think for themselves and listen to the media and those in the government that want to control business. Free enterprise is always a winner for the people! Come on folks, educate yourself and find out how things work.

By mj

December 20, 2009 9:25 AM | Link to this

Perhaps that is the “Jesus” the GOP adores as presented by “nospeekenglis”. It creates talking points but, no substance. Because the GOP has no real connection to the Jesus presented in the Bible. That Jesus really was against evil, greed and the hypocrisy of the GOP and their ideology. And, really, with Christmas approaching, we look towards our faith; be it Christian, Judaism, Wiccan, Druid, or anything else. Because, NO political party should claim moral fiber and align with evangelicals then, take bribes from lobbyists, have immoral and unethical scandals, and Align with the cult known as C-street.

By Broke and Chains

December 20, 2009 9:21 AM | Link to this

If health care was so badly needed by all Americans why are 18 million still going to be left uncovered in this “new” bill. If it is so needed why doesn’t it go into effect until 2014 but we get taxed for it now? How bout we get rid of the donate a dollar to political contributions on our tax returns or when we get our car registration renewed and we change it to donate a buck for healthcare, more people would get covered that way and doctors wouldn’t have to take a 21% paycut. Who wants to get treatment from a doctor who is bitter, just like I wouldn’t want to buy the last GM car before they close the plant. This is the Hope and Change? Sounds like Broke and Chains to me

By Eddy Jim Bob the Furst

December 20, 2009 9:17 AM | Link to this

nospeekinglis…LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best comment yet!

By MeMan

December 20, 2009 9:03 AM | Link to this

Nothing is free, free stuff it’s not worth having. Someone is going to pay for it and it will be the people that work for a living. The thief’s, drug dealers, lazy, and prostitute’s won’t pay just the working class will. Thanks Mr. Brown for making yourself look like the working class by putting in your long hours and weekends. I’m sure it was stressful work for you while you pull down your six digit salary and long vacations. This country needs to repeal the 16 and 17 amendment and bring in the fair tax so everyone pays. I’ll remember this in 2010 and 12 the hope and change isn’t working for me.

By nospeekinglis

December 20, 2009 8:47 AM | Link to this

“Jesus” would sneak across the border, pay $200 for your ID, father a couple of anchor babies, and then cry “racism” when he’s arrested for drunk driving. Ooop! Wrong Jesus.

By mj

December 20, 2009 8:19 AM | Link to this

Just as(according to the GOP) Jesus really links up with the C-street cult, Mark Sanford, John Ensign, Larry Craig, Vitter, Mark Foley, Bush and his lie based war in Iraq, and many more, while claiming some demented “moral authority” and, aligning with evangelicals. And actually, the GOP is closer to fascism than capitolism

By to beggars & moochers

December 20, 2009 7:43 AM | Link to this

Yes, I’m sure that Jesus would just ADORE that proud Communist Van Jones and the ACORN crew. And the SEIU thugs would fit right in with his “turn the other cheek” values. {snicker}

By Hook

December 20, 2009 7:32 AM | Link to this

By Bob Deserves repeating. I want free health care and I want You to pay for it and thanks to our rich Senators you will. You should feel good about providing health care, especially around Christmas time. Thanks for the present!!

By mj

December 20, 2009 7:25 AM | Link to this

The GOP thinks that Jesus would check your insurance card, make sure you are “in network” then, deny your claim on first round. The GOP thinks that Jesus is into corporate control. Actually, when people rant about “govt. control” they forget that currently they are at the mercy of corporate control. The insurance industry has established and controlled access to health care. They have rationed health care and utilize tactics that so evil, it makes the govt look good. The insurance industry will deny claims on first pass; as a matter of business practice. They will delay claim payment for months, causing medical providers to threaten people for payment. And, they have admin assistants and medical coders making medical decisions; Not allowing doctors and patients to make decisions.

By God Is Angry

December 20, 2009 7:08 AM | Link to this

Hey Republicans, what would Jesus say? Would Jesus be AGAINST helping the sick and infirm? Would Jesus be AGAINST helping sick kids? Wake the f*ck up idiots. You shout about your Gods but act as if you are ruled by the devil.

By ray

December 20, 2009 7:05 AM | Link to this

If you wan’t true competition, allow all 1200 ins. companies to compete with each other across state lines instead of legislating only 1 or 2. Jay if you think that this is corparate socialism then just agree that Boehner is right and start over and get the bill right.

By polishsniper

December 20, 2009 7:02 AM | Link to this

This free healthcare all you idiots think your gonna get has nothing to do with giving you healthcare.It’s about CONTROL AND POWER.For some of you morons that do nothing but sit glued to AMERICAN IDIOL need to wake up and smell the roses.Ask yourself where is the first job the Democrats have created,ZERO. They are more interested in GLOBAL WARMING This scam has been proven to be the biggest joke next to Al Gore himself who is reaping in millions from it. Where is the outcry to the added 2 thousand dollars that working Ohioan’s will be paying next year in state taxes.Where is the outcry to Obama cutting billions from seniors medicare. RATIONED HEALTHCARE is what you wanted,it’s what your gonna get.

By mj

December 20, 2009 6:41 AM | Link to this

Boehner is owned and operated by the GOP and the insurance industry lobbyists, at this time. His only concerns are what his corporate owners/partners need and, in reality, the American people are secondary. This also occurred when Boehner went on his “drill here, drill now” rants while McCain was running for President. Obviously a GOP/oil industry talking point which amounted to nothing; Just like anything else the GOP says.

By Rob

December 20, 2009 5:29 AM | Link to this

The people on this board thanking the demoncrats should realize they already have free health care. It’s called welfare and if you don’t have it it’s because you haven’t signed up for it. Nobody is denied health care in this country. This legislation is only about social control.

By mike

December 20, 2009 5:14 AM | Link to this

the bill is not perfect but is a start,my family thanks the party elect

By LesC

December 20, 2009 4:59 AM | Link to this

Someone ought to tell that idiot Boehner that the “Start Over” train left the station along time ago! Label it whatever you want, this bill goes along way to improve the broken healthcare system in this country and will reduce the cost of health insurance for all americans. When the benefits become apparent, the republicans leadership will look like the idiots they truly are!

By Concerned

December 20, 2009 4:46 AM | Link to this

It is time for all Americans who love and honor God to take the pledge at http://www.manhattandeclaration.org and stand united against tyranny. Congressman Boehner, please keep fighting for our children and those not yet born. Their lives depend upon it. I pray that God touches Senator Brown’s heart and calls him to protect the unborn. This Reform as proposed by Majority Leader Reid will serve to enslave our children and grandchildren with massive debt that is unsustainable.

By Todd Jackson of Carlin Audio

December 20, 2009 4:22 AM | Link to this

Ha Ha Ha! This country For Sale? It’s a done deal. A slam dunk for corporate America. The world’s TOP economists are telling us that by 2020 that China is #1, India #2 and the USA and Japan fighting it out for #3. We’ve already been sold out by our own nation’s corporations and hacks like Reagan, Clinton, and both Bush’s and Obama is so far in lock step with the rest of the political stooges.

By SalMonella

December 20, 2009 4:17 AM | Link to this

John Boehner is — like the majority of the senate, congress, supreme court & white house — corporate- owned. This county is for sale to the highest bidder. What a joke; tIthis is NOT significant health care reform. It’s a friggin’ joke. ‘s an absolute victory for the horribly corrupt & bloated health INSURANCE industry. They are partying as we read n’ write this tripe. And socialism? LOL! I guess you who whine about socialism have no objection to corporate socialism provided by your government which costs you hundreds of billions in YOUR tax S every year. Ignorant clowns that you are. You know nothing about true socialism. It’s already here.

By No Amnesty for illegals

December 20, 2009 2:46 AM | Link to this

How ironic that Sherrod Brown talks about “strengthening Ohio’s middle class families” when he’s voted AGAINST E-verify EVERY TIME. I called his office to find out why - I was told that he doesn’t believe it’s “effective” because it has a ONE PERCENT discrepancy rate. ONE PERCENT! Me and a LOT of others I know regret ever giving this un-American con artist our votes. It won’t happen again.

By Barb

December 20, 2009 2:33 AM | Link to this

Thank you Sherrod Brown. I am so happy to finally see health care reform happening. Most insurance companies not just health insurance rake in billions in profits and they do outsource jobs to India, Costa Rica, El Salvador. People in those countries have access to your social security information and your personal records. All you people crying about socialism should be worried about your personal information in the hands of people who hate Americans. You also should be upset that good American jobs are outsourced so the CEO’s can buy another house or car while you are going broke.

By Reflector

December 20, 2009 1:35 AM | Link to this

Remember, Sherrod, Nancy, Harry, and Barack, you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time! This will come back to haunt you all!

By jan

December 20, 2009 1:27 AM | Link to this

Thanks to you, Sherrod Brown for understanding the need for REAL health care for all of us.

By Concerned Citizen

December 20, 2009 12:54 AM | Link to this

Sherrod Brown is an unamerican crook and I hope all of you voters will realize this and not re-elect him. Please, wake up folks!

By juciero

December 20, 2009 12:30 AM | Link to this

That is very true. But You can get always get a full medical coverage at the lowest price from www.bit.ly/7bwEx2 if you do your home work you can find the best plan.

By Jay

December 20, 2009 12:29 AM | Link to this

Its funny how people cry socialism when the government wants to protect the consumer from being black balled by the greedy corporations who capitalize on the CONSUMER’S losses. So whenever the CONSUMER suffers guess who benefits? THE WEALTHY, GREEDY CORPORATIONS!! We have a broken Healthcare system in this country. Some of you may not realize that. We have a 2.5 trillion dollar system which under performs and adds to our soaring debt along with these 2 wars and bush’s 1 trillion dollar tax cuts. It is wrong for the health insurance companies to be so monopolistic and bend the consumer over backwards. There are a lot of markets where there is only one dominant healthcare provider which can charge sky rocketing premiums because of a lack of competition. On top of that the people that have a pre existing condition get denied. So they pay out of pocket for basic and advanced coverage. So its crazy to decry socialism because the government wants to open up competition by setting up exchanges and making available the same plans that our congress members have. Why is that wrong? The Free market is about competition and the private healthcare companies lack it. If you want to decry socialism then it must be a corporate take over of the consumer and would continue to be further flexing of the corporations’ political muscle on political policy in Washington. Ever heard of Lobbyists? Bingo! So don’t say Socialism. More like Corporate take over if we dont keep them in check

By A is A

December 20, 2009 12:21 AM | Link to this

Of course, Boehner. No matter what the possible benefits or problems with a health care reform plan, the GOP has made the political calculation that the ONLY thing they are interested in is opposing the Democrats. It doesn’t matter what damage that opposition might cause to the country or the citizenry — the Republicans have no interest other than attacking the Democrats. The previous eight years demonstrated that Republican have no interest in governance, and the last year indicate they don’t want anybody else to govern either.

By HoaxAndChains

December 20, 2009 12:05 AM | Link to this

Karl (Marx?), you say “boehner is in the pocket of the insurance companies.” You mean the same insurance companies that this bill requires you and everyone else to buy insurance from or face penalties and or jail? Why does that not infuriate you, simply because the dems are behind it? Howard Deen is right, this mess is bad for supporters of single payer AND supporters of free markets; it’s the worst of both worlds.

By Bob

December 19, 2009 11:49 PM | Link to this

I want free health care and I want You to pay for it and thanks to our rich Senators you will. You should feel good about providing health care, especially around Christmas time. Thanks for the present!!

By I_Think_Therefore_I_Am

December 19, 2009 11:41 PM | Link to this

Let’s have the federal government takeover one-sixth of our economy—when that happens, its’ called fascism! I am amazed at how little most of you fail to understand cause and effect. The mistake our 535 knuckleheads continue to stand behind is allowing an employer to get the tax break for giving you health care. Why? They don’t pay your home insurance or your car insurance. Why should they pay your health insurance? Give the incentive to the individual, that way it won’t be tied to your job, which when you lose it, you won’t lose your health care. You people need to understand that NOTHING is free. It costs someone, something. Taking from one to pay for another is just wealth redistribution, nothing more, nothing less. If free everything is what you want, feel free to emmigrate to EuropeThe whole world is just knockng down their doors to get their most fine health care! Sheeple.

By JJ

December 19, 2009 11:20 PM | Link to this

Well Jim, those large greedy corporations ship jobs overseas because people like you want to buy things for next to nothing. Oh, and those same corporations are funding your 401K with their stocks so be careful who you badmouth.

By Jim

December 19, 2009 11:10 PM | Link to this

What’s dismantling our economy are the large greedy corporations who ship jobs overseas, the greedy banks, and the shrinking middle class. Too many Americans have gone bankrupt to protect the insurance companies’ bottom line. United Health Care is ranked 21st on the fortune 500 list. Billions in profits at the expense of peoples’ lives, well being, and financial health.

By James

December 19, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this

single payer=socialism=UNAMERICAN Just say NO to ObamaCare before is too late! Wake up people, our economy is being dismantled before our very eyes!

By ronnie

December 19, 2009 10:51 PM | Link to this

What has the GOP done to stop the explosion of health care costs? NOTHING! G.W. Bush did nothing. His dad did nothing. Reagan did nothing. At least Obama and Clinton had the balls to try and fix this mess. The GOP takes the easy road of NO, NO, NO. Enough of their childishness.

By gary

December 19, 2009 10:29 PM | Link to this

if people cant afford insurance now how are they going to then besides a fine if they dont pay how are you going to make a homeless person buy insurance how about a illegal alien in country to much unknown.

By Jim

December 19, 2009 10:22 PM | Link to this

Darrell’s right. Single Payer would end this mess.

By Jim

December 19, 2009 10:16 PM | Link to this

The Republicans had the last eight eight years and did nothing on health care. Their answer is status quo, help the rich get richer, help big corporations, and put it all on the backs of the middle class. This bill needed a public option, but too many politicians are bought and paid for. AGI/Lieberman, and Connecticut is a perfect example.

By SWC

December 19, 2009 10:10 PM | Link to this

MnM don’t forget the sweetheart deal Nebraska is getting….

By Lee

December 19, 2009 10:07 PM | Link to this

Sheeple of Ohio; When the tax bill for Obobo’s socialize healthcare bill hits your wallet you will be luck’y to have any change left. bill

By subway ronda

December 19, 2009 10:06 PM | Link to this

Anymore, I can’t wait till this becomes law and the taxes and cuts begin to hit all these poor deluded people who support this bill. I want to be able to sit back and just laugh at them.

By darrell

December 19, 2009 10:05 PM | Link to this

Single payer would end of this mess we call health care and health insurance…we need 100 senators like bernie Sanders…an independent mind that doesnt wave a parties flag before he waves the American flag.

By MnM

December 19, 2009 9:42 PM | Link to this

Hey Karl- open your checkbook cuz your gonna pay a lot more for your insurance. BTW, check what your leftwing nuts are saying: it’s Obama who is in the deep pockets, namely Big Pharma. Get educated, dude.

By karl

December 19, 2009 9:34 PM | Link to this

boehner is in the pocket of the insurance companies—they and their stooges are behind the opposition to reform

By karl

December 19, 2009 9:33 PM | Link to this

boehner is in the pocket of the insurance companies—they and their stooges are behind the opposition to reform

By null

December 19, 2009 9:27 PM | Link to this

Brown is a total socialist idiot. It is a shame our state constitution does not permit recall of senators like 7 other states do.

By MnM

December 19, 2009 8:49 PM | Link to this

I think Sen Brown means it’s a good deal for NE and VT since Ohio taxpayers are going to foot their higher Medicare payments with the bribes included in the bill. It’s a total sellout. The “reform” has nothing to do with quality but with Dem’s power and control over our lives. Merry Christmas.