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ACLU and Right to Life agree: let the girl on the House floor
Elizabeth Trisler is the kind of kid who the Ohio House loves to recognize on the chamber floor with applause and pats on the back. She’s Ohio grown, she won an oratory contest and her state representative, John Adams, R-Sidney, wanted to give her a proclamation.
Trisler, now 19 and a community college student, won the oratory contest sponsored by the National Right to Life last June. House Speaker Armond Budish, D-Beachwood, decided the Shelby County teen-ager should not be honored on the House floor, though she did receive the proclamation.
That decision has both Ohio Right to Life and the ACLU of Ohio calling on Budish to reconsider.
“By declining to recognize Ms. Trisler’s achievement, Speaker Budish has created a troubling precedent that anyone who is deemed ‘controversial’ by House leadership will not be honored,” said ACLU of Ohio Executive Director Christine Link in a written statement. “Legislators should pay tribute to those who excel in their field, regardless of their political views or affiliations.”
Link scolded House lawmakers for sending a message that silencing those who disagree is the answer rather than modeling for young people that difficult issues can be handled through thoughtful discussion and respect.
“Surely, Speaker Budish can put aside his partisanship for 10 minutes to honor the accomplishments of a talented and optimistic teenage girl,” said Ohio Right to Life Executive Director Mike Gonidakis.
Budish spokesman Keary McCarthy said while Ohioans often receive proclamations on the House floor, they are not given an opportunity to advocate for issues. McCarthy said it was his understanding that Trisler wanted to read her speech.
“The speaker believes that it is important to avoid having political interests on either side of the aisle abuse this brief opportunity for recognition,” McCarthy said. “However, the speaker will gladly reconsider the request from Rep. Adams if appropriate discretion is used in a way that does not contradict a long history in the Ohio House of not having these presentations become a forum for advocacy.”
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By Philman
February 10, 2010 8:03 PM | Link to this
I’m sorry but I forgot one word, just before morality, insert the word Religion,, OOOOh hiss hiss, our evil founders…
By Philman
February 10, 2010 7:59 PM | Link to this
PEOPLE PEOPLE PEOPLE, ALL LAWS ARE BASED ON SOMEONES MORALITY, OK..article 3 of the Northwest Ordinance july 13 1787, all states had to agree to this to be accepted into the union, and all states have some form of this in their state Constitutions. it reads - Morality,and Knowledge being necessary to good Government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall be forever encouraged…OK look up tho state of Ohio Constittion its there..
By jacob
February 10, 2010 6:05 PM | Link to this
SQG - I agree 10000% with your last post addressed to me. I am in full agreement that gov’t should not legislate morality. My point is that YOU got on here earlier and stated that the progressives are trying to intrude into everyone’s lives and are too controlling. To an extent, that is correct. However, there is equal blame in that dept on BOTH sides of the aisle. That’s why I quit voting solely repub or Dem in ‘08.
By cdmertz
February 10, 2010 4:32 PM | Link to this
You dam well what I SAID!
By Squirrellygirl
February 10, 2010 3:36 PM | Link to this
to cdmertz—I have no idea what you said. Your comments don’t make sense.
By Squirrellygirl
February 10, 2010 3:34 PM | Link to this
Our gov’t officials are very political and make their decisions based on which companies they want to help and which ones they want to go out of business. Gov’t shouldn’t be involved with any part of this. Gov’t is supposed to be of the people, not oppress the people it serves.
By Squirrellygirl
February 10, 2010 3:27 PM | Link to this
Jacob, I believe in God, and God gave us the freedom of choice. We can serve him, or we can go the other direction. I don’t believe it should be up to our gov’t to legislate morality. As I told you all before, I have my OWN opinions which don’t always match up completely with the Conservative view. If a preacher wants to marry a gay couple, that’s up to him. If the gay couple can’t find a preacher to marry them, then go to the court house. But that doesn’t mean I agree with being gay. I have gay friends who I love, but I don’t want them to go to hell neither. It’s not my decision to make, and it’s not for our gov’t to decide. Deregulation is my tool of choice. Let capitalism work. Rich people make money by hiring people to work for them. If there are no jobs, we can’t pay taxes. Smaller less intrusive gov’t wouldn’t be involved in any of these matters. There should be no votes on this. It’s not for other people to decide what other people do as long as it doesn’t effect them. This is my opinion, but it’s a good one.
By cdmertz
February 10, 2010 3:14 PM | Link to this
I think the NEXT TIME the PRO-CHOICE group want to promote there cause they SHOULD BRING A “NEW DEAD BABY”right after the ABORATION so they also can get the FREE SPEECH THEY WANT SO BAD!
By jacob
February 10, 2010 2:27 PM | Link to this
FP - OK, if the ACLU did actually sue to remove crosses from military graveyards, then please provide a link to back that up. The problem with your argument is that for some reason, no one can find a shred of evidence to support it.
By Leslie
February 10, 2010 2:25 PM | Link to this
manphil in case you missed the story it is a democrat that is denying and being intolerant. And you might want to take a look in the mirror and ask why the hate? Why do you hate those that are different than you? Why are you intolerant to those that disagree with you? Why do you spread lies?
By anonymous
February 10, 2010 2:23 PM | Link to this
Ms. Trisler should be honored on the floor, if this is the tradition. However, she should not be allowed to use it as a platform to express her political views.
By jacob
February 10, 2010 2:11 PM | Link to this
Well, Squirellygirl, I suppose then that we agree that gay marriage shouldn’t be banned by the federal gov’t, as doing so is an intrusion into people’s lives. It’s rare to see Squirelly girl calling out conservatives like that!
By JD
February 10, 2010 2:03 PM | Link to this
abbI am sick to death of hearing the gays wanting an ammendment and then when they don’t get it they scream like little girls. Your behavior is not a protected act. You don’t deserve the have the constitution changed for your little bunch of gays.
By manphil
February 10, 2010 1:57 PM | Link to this
The right-wing Republicans hate all non-Christian religions and the application of freedoms for everyone, not just them and their intolerant ways. At least the ACLU is consistent. And, um, they’re actually supporting the girl who’s getting snubbed here. Not the opposite.
By Finally
February 10, 2010 1:53 PM | Link to this
Pragmatic - Yes, really. Feel free to reply with other examples of government imposed religious states. Iran is obviously an extreme.
By common sense
February 10, 2010 1:52 PM | Link to this
So the message the Speaker leaves our young Ohioan is: the people’s House is not big enough for us all. Young Miss Trisler, view this experience as a reflection on the character and sportsmanship of those who made this decision, not yours.
By Leslie
February 10, 2010 1:51 PM | Link to this
Nobody ever said she was going to give a speech. She was to be honored. One would imagine that maybe when you are honored you say thank you to the people honoring you and to the people that helped you achieve the honor. One would imagine that Budish was probably worried she might thank her Mom for not aborting her. After the Tebow ad controvery one might assume that the left just does not want anyone to talk about the value of life. One might assume that Budish would have gladly honored the woman that had 15 abortions in 16 years, that is Budish’s kind of woman.
By stormin
February 10, 2010 1:22 PM | Link to this
The story could have been written and edited better. Just what did the young woman want to speak to on the house floor? Any one remember the 5 W’s. DDN please get to the point in the first graph!
By Pragmatic
February 10, 2010 1:11 PM | Link to this
Finally, you wrote: “Look to Iran as an example if you want to see a nonsecular government in action”. REALLY? is that REALLY what you typed?? for all of us to read??? REALLY???????
By FP
February 10, 2010 12:36 PM | Link to this
Jacob- factcheck.org is a partisan liberal website disuising itself throught UPenn. Everyone that works there is a Democrat. The ACLU hates religion and is doing everything they can do destroy it.
By Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too?
February 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Link to this
If only all crosses could be removed from all City Seals… “At this season of the Winter Solstice may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.”
By Squirrellygirl
February 10, 2010 12:16 PM | Link to this
Regulation means our gov’t officials are making laws that effect people’s businesses, and we all know gov’t officials play favorites, so it’s not fair. Deregulate everything as much as possible. If a preacher wants to marry someone or not marry someone, it’s up to him. Then the gays can get “married” at the court house.
By and the emmy goes to
February 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Link to this
emmy katz - I think you have the winning point!
By Mary
February 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Link to this
Progressives understand that a woman is not really complete until she has had an abortion.
By Philman
February 10, 2010 12:06 PM | Link to this
OOPS Sorry, it was to remove the cross from a city Seal.shame on them…
By emmy katz
February 10, 2010 11:56 AM | Link to this
Both sides are hypocrites. Conservatives try to silence anyone with “a gay agenda” (their words) and those who opposed the war un GW - now liberals are doing the same thing.
By jacob
February 10, 2010 11:54 AM | Link to this
Philman, can you provide a link or any proof to your idiotic statement?
By Philman
February 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Link to this
Nope I stand behind it, it’s the Truth & i’d stake your life on it…
By theshawn
February 10, 2010 11:51 AM | Link to this
Dear Agree, I can call myself tolerant because I think if gays want a civil union that is fine by me. Just don’t call it a marriage because it’s not. Whether one finds it disgusting is irrelevant. It’s not normal by any definition of normal. And society has every right to define marriage as male/female, just like you want to define it as anyone/anyone. Your definition of right/wrong is no better than mine.
By jacob
February 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Link to this
Philman, apparently that rumor has already been debunked. http://www.factcheck.org/2009/07/aclu-and-cemetary-crosses/
By Joanie
February 10, 2010 11:15 AM | Link to this
The article does not state specifically that honorees typically make a speech, so it is not certain that this Ms. Trisler would be singled out. I do not know what the normal procedure is, but “Ohioans often receive proclamations on the floor, they are not given the opportunity to advocate for issues” implies that honorees do not normally make speeches. If that is the case, she would not be singled out, she would be given special treatment if she is allowed to give her speech. I still say honor her on the floor without her speech. Why must there always be a lack of civility from both sides in this type of forum?
By Philman
February 10, 2010 11:00 AM | Link to this
Dear Null & void, go to traditional values website & see the list of things the aclu have tried to do, they even tried to get all the crosses taken down at the military cemetaries.
By agree
February 10, 2010 10:50 AM | Link to this
Agree that gay marriage is disgusting, but then don’t call yourself tolerant if you won’t let other folks live as they please. And DEFINITELY don’t say your are for ‘limited government’ if you want to pass new laws banning it and change our country’s constitution to reflect YOUR opinions.
By theshawn
February 10, 2010 10:35 AM | Link to this
Conservatives vote againts gay “marriage” because gay marriage isn’t real marriage, it’s a civil union. It cannot procreate within it’s “born with” sexuality, it isn’t normal by any definition of normal, and it goes against normal anatomical plumbing. :)
By jacob
February 10, 2010 10:06 AM | Link to this
Ahh, Squirrellygirl back again. Ready to lose more arguments today? If Conservatives are so tolerant, can you explain why they insist in Consitutional amendments banning gay marriage, and why they protest anyone who dares use the word “holiday” instead of “Christmas?” I agree with you 1000% that progressives are intolerant folks, but Conservatives are just as bad.
By jacob
February 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Link to this
The ACLU has consistently defended the rights of 1st amendment speech for all citizens, not just left wing causes. Many of you idiots don’t remember that they stood up for the KKK once. http://www.channel3000.com/news/381962/detail.html Also, congratulations Elizabeth Trisler!!
By null
February 10, 2010 9:27 AM | Link to this
Abort House Speaker Armond Budish.
By Squirrellygirl
February 10, 2010 8:54 AM | Link to this
This is typical. Conservatives are always required to be tolerant, but how about the liberals? Why can’t they even bear to listen to an opposing view? It’s the progressives who aren’t tolerant. What ever happened to religious freedom in this country? We need new blood and their time is short.
By Squirrellygirl
February 10, 2010 8:46 AM | Link to this
How come she’s singled out and can’t read her speech? That’s the real question here. These progressives make sure that our rights are violated when our views are opposite of what they believe. Time to rehaul and get fresh blood. It’s coming. Can’t wait.
By Joanie
February 10, 2010 8:34 AM | Link to this
Can’t the House honor Ms. Trisler on the floor without allowing her to read her speech? It is their venue, they can make the rules. If she chooses not to come if she can’t read her speech, that’s her decision. This is silly.
By Squirrellygirl
February 10, 2010 8:27 AM | Link to this
ACLU agrees with Right to Life? For once, huh? Congrats to Ms. Trisler. I would like to see all of the progressives lose their seats. They don’t deserve to be there since they are unresponsive to the citizens. What’s wrong with fighting for life? She should be able to read it on the floor. She won, and if they don’t let her read it, they are denying her rights and being totally unfair. I bet there wouldn’t even be a debate if it were the other way around and her speech was about the right to have an abortion! Seems like under these progressives you only have rights if you are on their side.
By c'mon man
February 10, 2010 8:12 AM | Link to this
I agree that the ACLU is a Despicable group. They are also pro terrorist rights.
By Cuz
February 10, 2010 7:45 AM | Link to this
Congratulations to Ms Trisler on her accomplishment.
By null
February 10, 2010 7:18 AM | Link to this
Philman will be found later today trying to sell various bridges and swampland to people.
By Finally
February 10, 2010 6:42 AM | Link to this
Thank goodness for House Speaker Armond Budish! The last thing we need in Ohio is another Palin wannabe lecturing from a lectern. Separation of church and state is not anti-christian. Rather, true separation more enables you to enjoy religious freedom. Look to Iran as an example if you want to see a nonsecular government in action. Nor does separation revoke a citizen’s 1st amendment rights. Trisler can still give her speech across the street. If the situation were slightly reversed to where Trisler won an award for a speech on the lack of equality for gay marriage, then Budish would still deny her and the ACLU would still support her.
By Philman
February 10, 2010 4:31 AM | Link to this
Too bad the DDN did’nt print the speach, or at least put a link up to it .The ACLU is a Despicable group that most people dont know their history, they were founded to turn America to Communisim, they are ANTI Christian, they have defended man-boy love , child porn, gay mariage.
By Amazed
February 9, 2010 4:29 PM | Link to this
The ACLU actually took a reasonable stand this time! Amazing! House speaker Budish, on the other hand, took the typical leftist position of denial of the young lady’s First Amendment right of free speech. I think Mr. Budish would be more comfortable living in Cuba or Venezuela than in Ohio. I will buy him a one-way ticket to either if he promises not to come back to Ohio.