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By Kim D. Campbell

March 20, 2010 3:40 PM | Link to this

Wesley McCants wrote: “The equivocal term law-abiding… The Ohio General Assembly is so far out in limbo on the issue of gun reform, I would call them true reactionaries and fake philosophers.” OK, perhaps I’m just dense. …but I really have no idea what you’re saying your position is on this. Can ya’ help me out here?

By Wesley McCants

March 19, 2010 1:59 PM | Link to this

The equivocal term law-abiding, in terms of justifying the right to carry a concealed weapon by an Ohioan, is like trumpeting, it’s going to sunshine tomorrow, but instead, it snows, or even worse. Voltaire said certainty is absurd. What he meant was, if two men are on opposite ends of a teeter totter, to tip the scale in one man’s favor, you automatically lower the safety and security for the other man, regardless of his status in society. The Ohio General Assembly is so far out in limbo on the issue of gun reform, I would call them true reactionaries and fake philosophers.

By John Bates Thayer

March 17, 2010 8:37 PM | Link to this

Here in Florida we can carry concealed in establishments which derive less than 51% of there income from the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises. In other words Applebee’s is O.K., ABC Liquor is not. Works for me. Anyway, concealed means concealed. And don’t forget “Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell.”

By John Bates Thayer

March 17, 2010 8:35 PM | Link to this

Here in Florida we can carry concealed in establishments which derive less than 51% of there income from the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises. In other words Applebee’s is O.K., ABC Liquor is not. Works for me. Anyway, concealed means concealed. And don’t forget “Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell.”

By John Bates Thayer

March 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Link to this

Here in Florida we can carry concealed in establishments which derive less than 51% of there income from the sale of alcohol for consumption on the premises. In other words Applebee’s is O.K., ABC Liquor is not. Works for me. Anyway, concealed means concealed. And don’t forget “Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell.”

By Buster

March 17, 2010 7:51 PM | Link to this

mrunknown, inco, and Tookie. Gang names. No wonder these thugs are opposed to good citizens having firearms. They want easy vistims.

By Kim D. Campbell

March 17, 2010 7:22 PM | Link to this

drunken orangetree wrote: “I want to able to carry a gun into congress. When are you limpwristed gun right wimps gonna fight for that right?” To which I can only reply, “One step at a time, old sod, one step at a time” We didn’t lose our rights in one fell swoop, nor will we regain them that way. I too pine for the day I can carry my perfectly legal firearm into a building I helped pay for. Oh, and those folks that feel I’m a coward – I carry a firearm wherever I’m legally permitted to because bad things don’t just happen in bad places. If wanting to be able to go home in one piece makes me a coward, so be it.

By misterunknown

March 17, 2010 3:52 PM | Link to this

Wow!You’re just begging for a shootout at the Old Hickory Corral aren’t you?

By misterunknown

March 17, 2010 3:52 PM | Link to this

Wow!You’re just begging for a shootout at the Old Hickory Corral aren’t you?

By Deadlucky

March 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Link to this

I understand the concerns of some people, the wild west shoot outs that might happen, the waiter who might be shot for serving a bad meal, the driver with road rage randomly shooting other drivers ect… These are the same people who said the world would end in the 2000 or we will all die from the Bird Flu, West Nile Virus, Swine Flu and ever popular 2012!!! They are just fear mungorers afraid of their own shaddows. I just call them fools!!! In the six years of legal CCW there has not been wildwest shootouts, no road ragers shootouts!!! No, just law abiding citizens quietly carrying their firearms obeying the law. To those opposed to this I will make this promise ” I will not use my firearm to protect you or your family under any circumstance”!!! Does that make you feel safer???

By inco

March 17, 2010 10:22 AM | Link to this

Packer is a typical John Wayne wannabe living a lie. It is amazing you lived 65 years without being killed, huh? Any self-respecting crook would take your gun away & put it where a proctologist would need to retrieve it, anyway.

By tookie

March 17, 2010 9:22 AM | Link to this

Then there are those of us who have no use for guns and don’t live in fear that someone is going to get us. These people obsessed with guns give me the creeps.

By tookie

March 17, 2010 9:22 AM | Link to this

Then there are those of us who have no use for guns and don’t live in fear that someone is going to get us. These people obsessed with guns give me the creeps.

By Illegal Detainment

March 17, 2010 8:45 AM | Link to this

@REBEL, The Chuck E. Cheese I go to on the East side of Cincinati does not sell alcohol. They posted a gunbuster sign last summer, but it was taken down. I guess the owner decided to let people be responsible for themselves.

By 2010

March 17, 2010 7:32 AM | Link to this

Toby Hoover, if you had any common sense, you wouldn’t be against it.

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March 17, 2010 6:45 AM | Link to this

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By CCW & Proud

March 17, 2010 6:31 AM | Link to this

Mort, what is it with you? Did some armed citizen foil your attempted rape of a child? Were you traumatized when the nice granny you started to mug pulled out a .45? Get over it and straighten out your life!

By Cop

March 17, 2010 12:57 AM | Link to this

Mort, do you actually believe that when you go to places that have signs sayting “gun free zone” that it actually is? Well I have some shocking news for you! Criminals do not care what signs are posted. They will do what they want regardless of what you or anyone else wants. CCW holders, on the other hand, are law abiding citizens. They have to be to even get a permit. So I’ll take my chances with CCW holders. You can go hang out with the criminals by yourself.

By Cop

March 17, 2010 12:53 AM | Link to this

Mort, do you really believe that when you walk into a “gun free zone” that it actually is? Well I have some shocking news for you. Criminals, believe it or not, do not care what the law says or what signs are posted. Those are the people you have to be on the look out for. Not the CCW holders. But I’m sure you know that, right?

By mort

March 17, 2010 12:51 AM | Link to this

Here we GO again. A GOP Rep. staying up late, planning and dreaming of GUNS. Any ideas on our schools….NOT A ONE. Any ideas on the student drop-outs OR the state budget deficit…NOPE. GOP won’t be happy until guns are in our schools, library, day-care, malls, kids playground, golf course….etc and etc

By mort

March 17, 2010 12:43 AM | Link to this

Here we GO again with the GOP…looking, PLANNING and staying up all nite trying to MAKE everything about guns. They seem to want guns in the schools, at day care, in the hospital, at bars, sporting events, the library, the playground, at the mall, at the dentist office. I mean, IT would be absolutely amazing if they came up with an idea…THAT DIDN’T INVOLVE GUNS.

By Rebel

March 16, 2010 11:24 PM | Link to this

Illegal Detainment, you might wanna watch where you carry a little closer. Last I checked Chuck E. Cheese serves alchohol. I wouldn’t try carrying there until after the bill is passed.

By Bill

March 16, 2010 10:33 PM | Link to this

Being a CCW license holder, I’m waiting to see what restaurants that presently can’t allow concealed carry will change their position and allow it to happen. Because I have the freedom of choice as to where I eat, those restaurants that won’t allow concealed carry won’t get my business anymore because I have the right to be able to protect myself and family! Nuf Said!

By jim

March 16, 2010 10:32 PM | Link to this

RE:drunken orangetree Have another cocktail, and leave the reasoning to the rest of us!

By drunken orangetree

March 16, 2010 10:22 PM | Link to this

I want to able to carry a gun into congress. When are you limpwristed gun right wimps gonna fight for that right?

By jim

March 16, 2010 10:19 PM | Link to this

It is refreshing, and not at all surprising, to see that the majority of comments support this bill. What I don’t understand is why, if the majority of our republic agree with our 2nd amendment rights, this is such a big issue. As we are still a representative republic, this bill should should be passed, and all should be applauding the passage. I can not even comment on the ridiculous “wild west/bravado Afghanistan” comments.

By illegal detainment

March 16, 2010 10:05 PM | Link to this

It sure will be nice to go to Pizza Hut instead of Chuck E Cheese while armed.

By True American? Hah!

March 16, 2010 10:00 PM | Link to this

True American? NOT LIKELY! So what book would you have us read? the little Red Book? Nice try, commie. You need to quit drooling over Steven Colbert and get your head our of your *

By Packer

March 16, 2010 9:50 PM | Link to this

I have a CCW permit, and I carry EVERYWHERE I go: restaurant, bar, the Schuster Center, bank, library, EVERYWHERE! I would rather go to jail (more likely get probation, since I have never been arrested in my 65-plus years of life) for illegal possession of a weapon than be killed by some criminal who couldn’t get a CCW permit in the first place. They’re the ones you have to worry about!

By Wynona

March 16, 2010 9:43 PM | Link to this

Hey Buttcrack, why do you want guns and alcohol mixed around your children? Are you stupid? It will rust the guns!

By ButCrackKills

March 16, 2010 9:37 PM | Link to this

Guns and alcohol, two things I want mixed around my children. Why is this even necessary? I’m all for gun rights but seriously there are just places guns don’t belong liked packed bars and restaurants. But if it does pass can you tip in ammunition or do they hand it out like mints as you leave? All jokes aside when our state is having more economic problems. We waste money on unnecessary gun legislation when we would be better off allocating resources toward schools and attracting new business.

By Rebel

March 16, 2010 9:07 PM | Link to this

I am not going to respond to each of your comments individually as there are just too many. This bill WILL NOT ALLOW CCW HOLDERS TO DRINK WHILE ARMED. Having said that, many have questioned why such legislation is necessary then. If any of you have the time you should google Luby’s Massacre. Let me give you the highlights. A man by the name of George Jo Hennard drove his truck through the front window and started shooting people. He killed 23 injuring another 20. A woman by the name of Suzanna Hupp (a law abiding ARMED citizen) had left her firearm in her car as state law required at the time. Both of her parents were among the 23 murdered that day. Perhaps she could have stopped the killer before so many lives were lost. Every mass murder has occurred in a “Gun Free Zone”. If a mad man is bent on murder, what makes you think a no guns sign is going to stop him? Armed law abiding citizens stop criminals every day. We are not criminals for carrying guns. We shouldn’t be treated as such.

By Libertarian

March 16, 2010 9:06 PM | Link to this

I have my CHL, but I open carry (OC) 99% of the time. OC is the way to go - it’s MUCH more comfortable and educates people at the same time. The only reason I got my CHL is so I can legally open carry in my vehicle.

By A True American

March 16, 2010 8:58 PM | Link to this

I read these post all the time. It always comes down to right wing garbage and left wing garbage. People on here blame the left for “taking” our rights away and say liberals make decisions for the rest of us. That sounds like the republican party to me. Pro-life.. no choice.. unwarranted wire taps and search warrants.. “see patriot act”.. I thought that was a constitutional right.. guess less goverment means less rights. We just have more to worry about at this moment than CCW law changes. Im for CCW and I beleave you should carry them anywhere. (The “bad” guys do). Everybody needs to quit blaming the Dems for everything that doesn’t go the right way. It like a little girl throwing a fit because she didn’t get her way. If you are opposed to a left idea, offer an alternative instead of saying no to everything and crying about it. Turn off the Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck and pick up book. Read what your talking about. If someone else has to make your mind up for you, you have no right to say your free.

By Hey, Seen A Lot

March 16, 2010 8:58 PM | Link to this

Count much?

By Scaredy Liberal

March 16, 2010 8:54 PM | Link to this

Oh, I am just so afraid of people with guns. We should get rid of all guns. Guns are bad. The world would be so much safer. To make it even safer, we should all start using more water. When the arctic ice melts, we’ll need the extra space. If we drink it now, there will be room for it and nobody will get flooded. Also, if you wear hemp clothes, the voices only whisper to you. To make them stop, you need to sit quietly on a busy street with a yellow flower in your hair. To keep them away, eat lots of raisins - about 2 boxes a day has helped me. Try it. Did you know that singing stops venereal warts? My neighbor’s cat told me so.

By Seen A Lot

March 16, 2010 8:38 PM | Link to this

Those who oppose the right to bear arms fall into two categories: 1. Trojan Horses working for silent enemeies of our nation. 2. Criminals who have had their work interrupted by an armed citizen. 3. Those suffering from personality disorders and other mental illnesses. Pat Henry, Mort, the Dog, Slightly (not) Right, Bill, and, of course, Little Di…er, Big Rick each fall into one of these categories. Just for fun, read their posts again and decide into which category they each belong.

By Charlton Heston

March 16, 2010 8:35 PM | Link to this

Slightly Right - you are correct, granny’s bank does not serve alcohol. Of course that fact has nothing to do with anything (why am I thinking your name is really ‘Way to the Left’? Her bank also does not offer her any protection as she comes and goes with her deposit. BTW - neither do the police. Their job is not to protect you - that is your job. If you are too ignorant or lazy to do it, I’m fine with that. But you should not criticize those of us that take responsibility for ourselves. Go Granny!

By Wayne

March 16, 2010 8:29 PM | Link to this

We should be doing background checks on everyone who opposes law-abiding citizens carrying a firearm.

By Wayne

March 16, 2010 8:28 PM | Link to this

We should be doing background checks on everyone who opposes law-abiding citizens carrying a firearm.

By glock

March 16, 2010 8:25 PM | Link to this

As an ohio concealed handgun license holder at 54 i have no felonys, (lifetime) have never been convicted of drugs have passed a criminal history background check, the ones carrying without the license are the ones u need to worry about…

By Shaking head

March 16, 2010 8:21 PM | Link to this

Mort, the reason they focus on gun laws is so that those of us with jobs can protect ourselves when you and the democrats come to take our money and freedoms.

By Slightly Right

March 16, 2010 8:12 PM | Link to this

Thats fine Granny. My bank doesn’t serve alcohol and I doubt if yours does either.

By Granny

March 16, 2010 8:01 PM | Link to this

The CCW class I took was educational and I was under no pressure after graduation to obtain my license. Some people do not. The responsibility of carrying a gun is a great responsibility. When this granny has to take her place of business’s deposits to the bank daily, she will be “carrying” in this economic climate.

By Fast Ray

March 16, 2010 7:53 PM | Link to this

Joe, I guess some people think the best defense against an attacker is their sharp tongue and whiney attitude. Well, good luck with that one, folks!

By It is to laugh

March 16, 2010 7:53 PM | Link to this

Joe - I have asked myself the same question. The answer is - it is not about guns, it is about control. Left leaning weenies like Little Rick think they know what is best for everyone. If they are afraid to be in a restaurant because someone may be CCWing, they better stay home, they are around lots of people everyday that CCW, they just don’t know it. With all the background checks we go through to carry they shouldn’t worry about us, the police don’t - even the liberal Dayton police force will tell you they think those that CCW legally are the good guys. Cowards? What a laugh.

By Joe

March 16, 2010 7:44 PM | Link to this

Why is it that the ignorant and uneducated oppose self-defense with firearms? I understand why our enemies want to disarm our population but, why do the stupid people want to do it?

By Bob

March 16, 2010 7:39 PM | Link to this

Tyrants always have, and always will, disarm their intended victims. From the dawn of time, that is the only reason for arms control of any kind.

By pat henry

March 16, 2010 7:33 PM | Link to this

This is great. Let’s remember, guns don’t kill people, people who have guns concealed on their person kill people. Maybe Shannon Jones, R-Springboro, should worry more about the abysmal school funding in this state (including the bankrupt school system she represents), and worry less about allowing Bubba to bring his concealed handgun into Hooter’s.

By IMpackin

March 16, 2010 7:26 PM | Link to this

Contrary to rumors around the “i need a gun when i go to bars” club, a gun does not make your Panis look bigger.

By mort

March 16, 2010 7:26 PM | Link to this

Why is it the ONLY LAW the GOP can come up with these days are gun laws? Their focus DOESN’T seem to be on anything else. All the unemployed Americans, folks without health coverage…folks losing their homes all seem to be invisible to them. Everytime they awake or have an idea…it always seems to include GUNS.

By mort

March 16, 2010 7:25 PM | Link to this

Why is it the ONLY LAW the GOP can come up with these days are gun laws? Their focus DOESN’T seem to be on anything else. All the unemployed Americans, folks without health coverage…folks losing their homes all seem to be invisible to them. Everytime they awake or have an idea…it always seems to include GUNS.

By Bobo

March 16, 2010 7:25 PM | Link to this

Are you scared of the customers in a restaurant that have steak knives?

By The Dog

March 16, 2010 7:13 PM | Link to this

Here’s the scenario: A dog walks into a restaurant/bar that allows concealed weapons. Everyone in the house is “packing”. He sits down at the bar and orders a beer. The bartender looks at him and says: “We don’t serve dogs here!”…pulls out his weapon and shoots the dog in the foot! The dog yelps/howls, bolts away from the bar and makes it out of the front door. He seeks medical assistance. While getting his foot looked at by the vet, he gets angrier and angrier. The vet bandages his foot, and, being angry, the dog decides to go back to the bar/restaurant. He walks through the door, goes up to the bar, again orders a beer, and not seeing the person who shot him in the foot says as loudly as he can: I”M A LOOKIN’ FOR THE GUY THAT SHOT MY PAW!!!!!! Now…Ohioans…do we want this same scenario going on with humans?

By FFLocal

March 16, 2010 7:03 PM | Link to this

You anti-Gunners make me laugh. The examples you post are criminal actions and will be prosecuted as such. Learn CCW law and responsibilities before trashing it. You come across more CCW holders and gun carriers than you think and yet you are still alive……

By Joe

March 16, 2010 6:57 PM | Link to this

I’d rather have it every day of my life and never need it than find I need it and not have it. It is not about bravado or looking for trouble, having a CCW doesnt add inches to your d!ck, its simply a choice to have the opportunity to defend yourself there is no responsibility to react by shooting on your part should a robbery occur in the first place.

By Slightly Right

March 16, 2010 6:50 PM | Link to this

What an idiot! What is next a bill permitting smoking while pumping gas. I can’t remember the last time I had to shoot my way out of the Texas Road House. If you want some bravado,go to Afganistan. I had all I wanted in Nam.

By Joe

March 16, 2010 6:39 PM | Link to this

I’m making an argument for free choice, I dont think having a pint at a bar/restaurant makes you any more or less lethal with a gun than it does with a car. to the opposite I think you are just as dangerous plastered drunk if you are in posession of a car as you are with a gun. I disagree with statements like “Cowards” for CCW citizens, your trying to elicite an emotional response from me because you feel very emotional about this issue/bill which tells me one thing specifically, your not very familiar with the material that you are arguing about. for example, in Utah the state has made it illegal for college campuses to prohibit legal CCW students from carrying in classrooms? also DO you realize in the state of Florida that if while bending down to get cheerios in the grocery my shirt comes untucked and my CCW weapon exposed it consitutes a 5th degree felony? as well as my previous post regarding bars in KY one thing is clear, the states are allowed to set regulatory parameters as they see it fit to their constituency, I just feel that the current parameters in OH are a preemtive regulation that discriminates against the most law obiding members of society

By FFLocal

March 16, 2010 6:35 PM | Link to this

@ Bill and Null 2 years of owning a handgun and CCW, never used, or drawn on a human being. Never accidentally discharged. Never injured someone or myself (save a slide catching my finger). I wish I had it on me ONCE. Had a kid trying to enter my girlfriends car while leaving a movie theatre. Guess what? Theater was a no carry zone. Guess what? I was following the law and didnt carry. Luckily for me the gentleman made and honest mistake, however i had to repeatedly inform him it was not his car…….if he was being honest or not is up to debate. Do I feel safer while carrying? Not really for a few reasons. Do I consider the civilians around me? All the time. CCW owners aren’t dangerous. We’re aware.

By Thinkaboutit

March 16, 2010 6:32 PM | Link to this

To big Rick, you use the word cowards pretty loose. You know it has been cowards in other states that have saved lives when some nut case has opened fire in a restaurant. How many more lives would have been taken if not for the law abiding ccw holder. Not to mention why would a state keep law enforcement officers from carrying off duty in a restaurant that serves beer and or liquor. Yes even off duty police officers are not allowed to carry in a liquor permit establishment. Its not about drinking while carrying because there is a separate statute in the ORC that would prevent that. I say if your not drinking then what is the issue!!!!!

By a cop

March 16, 2010 6:31 PM | Link to this

It would still be illegal to consume alcohol when you have a gun with you. This bill would only allow people to defend themselves if they go out to dinner at these restaurants. The restaurant would still be allowed to ban firearms if they chose. And for big rick, you already do go to places where people are carrying guns. Criminals have them all the time, and cops have them sometimes (off duty). As for the coward comment, I doubt you would feel the same way if you get mugged and shot, I haven’t seen a bullet proof human yet, just some who thought they were! Self defense is necessary

By Thinkaboutit

March 16, 2010 6:31 PM | Link to this

To big Rick, you use the word cowards pretty loose. You know it has been cowards in other states that have saved lives when some nut case has opened fire in a restaurant. How many more lives would have been taken if not for the law abiding ccw holder. Not to mention why would a state keep law enforcement officers from carrying off duty in a restaurant that serves beer and or liquor. Yes even off duty police officers are not allowed to carry in a liquor permit establishment. Its not about drinking while carrying because there is a separate statute in the ORC that would prevent that. I say if your not drinking then what is the issue!!!!!

By Really?

March 16, 2010 6:30 PM | Link to this

big rick, “cowards”…that is pretty judgemental…you should start reading the news and noticing that most parking lot robberies occur between your vehicle and the place you are walking into. What good would the CCW do you in your vehicle. I don’t think responsible persons are going to be boozing it up just becuase they are out to eat. The ones that are going to do so are already doing it. WAKE UP

By Mike

March 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Link to this

Have you ever heard of a person with a CCW permit getting drunk and shooting up his home or neighborhood? NO! what makes you think it will happen in a bar or restraunt then? People with a CCW permit follow the law criminals do not. Do you think a criminal will pay attention to a sign that says “no guns”?

By FFLocal

March 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Link to this

Also, current ohio weapon law prohibits carrying with a CCW while under the influence. I do not believe this provision will be removed. (if this is the same bill thats been around)

By Bill

March 16, 2010 6:28 PM | Link to this

All these gun freaks are more frightening than the criminals. And where are all these thugs that you think are just around the corner? I must not be traveling in your rundown neighborhood.

By FFLocal

March 16, 2010 6:25 PM | Link to this

Im glad this is happening. But to refute some comments: @Joe and KC: Common sense and Common gun safety practice states that you should not handle, use or carry firearms while under the influence of drugs and or alcohol. Firing ranges do not permit it and you should not be handling/carrying while under the influence. @Big Rick: Legal CCW holders aren’t inherently dangerous people. Having a gun does not make you dangerous. We simply use them for protection. Car thieves target restaurants due to the large amount of vehicles. Walk up on a burglary with your family and tell me you still don’t feel the same way when you are looking at a business end of a knife or gun. You’re at the disadvantage. You’re also the coward for not wanting to protect your family.

By Joe

March 16, 2010 6:24 PM | Link to this

I think its more important that we trust CCW citizens until given a reason not to. I understand your concern, but if the issuse is between your comfort level at applebee’s and my ability to defend myself, I don’t think my actions should be hindered UNTIL irresponsibility is demonstrated

By Mike

March 16, 2010 6:23 PM | Link to this

Big Rick, people who carry guns are cowards? Nice try you bleeding heart liberal. Most of the people killed by guns are gang related or done so illegally. To have your CCW you must be a law abiding citizen. When you outlaw guns only outlaws will have them.

By null

March 16, 2010 6:21 PM | Link to this

Another reason to enjoy home cooking. I don’t want to be a resaurant when two drunks start shooting at each other. I know; Guns don’t kill peolpe. People kill people. Given that, Drunken people with guns is a leathal combimation for everyone in the restaurant.

By big rick

March 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Link to this

Joe, guns claim around 30,000 lives per year. Vehicles take about 43000 per year. that is not 10 to one. I would not go into a bar or restaurant with my children if people were allowed to carry guns. People who need a gun to go out to dinner are flat out cowards. No other way to describe them. Cowards.

By KC

March 16, 2010 5:56 PM | Link to this

While I do agree that drunk drivers do claim more lives than guns. I do not think that is an accurate analogy. Mixing alcohol and guns is never a good idea…even at family reunions!!!

By Joe

March 16, 2010 5:42 PM | Link to this

this bill is a sensible idea, given that in KY for example I can not only CCW in a bar serving alcohol but be drinking as long as im not over the legal limit for driving. vehicles claim ten times the number of lives as guns do, its some how a bigger deal when guns do what they were built to.