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U.S. Supreme Court rules for protesters at military funerals; does not change Ohio law
By Jack Torry
Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court today ruled that protesters have the right to picket near military funerals, but the justices made clear state and local governments can limit how close picketers get to the cemetery itself.
In a controversial 8-1 ruling, the justices ruled that the Constitution’s guarantee of freedom of speech permitted members of a conservative church to gather near the funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq, singing hymns and grasping signs such as “God hates fags.’’
By doing so, the justices tossed out a $5 million in damages that a federal court had awarded to Albert Snyder, whose son Matthew, a Marine, had been killed in 2006. Matthew, who was not gay, had been buried at a Catholic church in Maryland.
“Simply put, the church members had the right to be where they were,’’ Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in the court’s opinion. “Given that (the church’s) speech was at a public place on a matter of public concern, that speech is entitled to ‘special protection’ under the First Amendment.’’
Roberts wrote that “speech is powerful. It can stir people to action, move them to tears of both joy and sorrow, and - as it did here - inflict great pain. On the facts before us, we cannot react to that pain by punishing the speaker.’’
Joining Roberts to form the majority were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Antonin Scalia, Clarence Thomas, Stephen H. Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Anthony Kennedy.
But the ruling was extremely narrow and involved only the financial damages in the case. Roberts made clear that the ruling did not impact most of the laws in 44 states - including Ohio - that restrict how close protesters can get to a funeral site.
“To the extent these laws are content neutral, they raise very different questions from the tort verdict at issue in this case,’’ Roberts wrote.
In a separate opinion, Breyer wrote that “a state can sometimes regulate picketing, even picketing on matters of public concern,’’ adding that the court’s ruling “does not hold or imply that the state is always powerless to provide private individuals with necessary protections.’’
The protesters, members of the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas, were about 1,000 feet from the burial site. Albert Snyder could only see the top of the protesters’ signs as he was driven to the funeral.
In a sole dissent, Justice Samuel Alito wrote that “our profound national commitment to free and open debate is not a license for the vicious verbal assault that occurred in this case.’’
Alito pointed out that Snyder was not a public figure and only wanted to “bury his son in peace.’’ Instead, Alito wrote that the court’s majority protected the rights of the protesters to “brutalize’’ Snyder.
“In order to have a society in which public issues can be openly and vigorously debated, it is not necessary to allow the brutalization of innocent victims,’’ Alito wrote.
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By null
March 8, 2011 8:37 AM | Link to this
Oh come on guys! Any real christian would show LOVE not bulling to a family who is hurting due to a loss in their family! Give me a break! No furneral for any reason needs to be direspected like that,if you don’t agree with the situation shut your mouth, and find other ways to make your point. Showing christlike love wouldn’t hurt. I think the court system is wrong. Let their good “uncle Joe” have a bunch of idoits act like morons and see how fast they will be escourted out of there. You don’t like war? Well fighting and bulling is not the way to fix it my friend! by the way God hates no man just the sin. Since we all have it thats a good thing. Don’t have anything thing else better to do while other people are in mourning for a loved one? Stay at home and watch cartoons, something on your level! By the way next time you see a funeral try saying a little prayer for the hurting instead of cutting them with the worst weapon on the face of the earth YOUR TONGUE!!
By Disadvantaged Democrat
March 6, 2011 11:09 PM | Link to this
Three cheers for the Supreme court. Alito must be a republican.
By suebee
March 6, 2011 8:41 PM | Link to this
These people are purely ignorant & have a lot of young folks who have more then likely been brain-washed. If I had a child, whose life was lost defending this country, which includes these idiots, & these idiots showed up at the funeral, I would consider it an infringement on my right to privacy to mourn in peace & quiet. They are uninvited a******s trying to wreak havoc & guilty of invasion of my privacy. Therefore, nothings barred, a fight for a fight, & I’d damned sure do my best to whip their butt. Apparently the Supreme Court doesn’t REALLY care about anyone’s right of anything.
By Adam
March 6, 2011 11:58 AM | Link to this
Theres been talk on these comments about manger scenes, prayer in the school and other religous things. These are all fine as long as they are done privatly. They have NO PLACE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. Why is it that these christians feel that they can shove their religion down our throats on public property. I am a tax payer and I dont want it. You want a manger scene keep it at your church or house. You want prayer do it in church or your house. Not in front of everyone.
By Proud of Our Military
March 6, 2011 9:56 AM | Link to this
I think when they show up at another funeral, we should with the permission of the grieving family, organize a group of people to surround the family, singing God Bless America, The National Anthem,Amazing Grace, and any other appropriate song. Start quietly, and esculate our voices as they esculate theirs. A big thanks to all of those who have served our country, I appreciate your dedicated service.
By Caroline
March 5, 2011 11:30 AM | Link to this
@ Retired Sgt and Vietnam Veteran: Thank you for serving our country! These WBC-type people are the hateful, unappreciative minority. I think the vast majority of us love and appreciate our soldiers, as we should! The word “hero” is thrown around way too lightly today, being applied to sports stars for crying out loud. You guys are the true heroes! Thank you for the risks you took and the sacrifices you made.
By Caroline
March 5, 2011 11:22 AM | Link to this
@bob: “GO W.B.C. and SCOTUS!!!!” So you support the upholding of the right to freedom of speech. I get it. That’s valid. But could you at least seem for a second to not be egging these hateful hypocrites on, and see this issue from the side of the soldiers and their loved ones? Don’t you think our nation’s heroes deserve a peaceful, loving departure from the world? And don’t you think those they leave behind deserve a peaceful climate in which to say their goodbyes? I DO!!!
By Caroline
March 5, 2011 11:13 AM | Link to this
Thank goodness this ruling does not apply to the states! This ruling pisses me off. Around a slain hero and grieving family and friends, there’s all this hypocritical hatred being spewed from supposedly “religious” mouths. How appalling! I love our soldiers and respect them, and this is not the climate in which they should have to be buried, and their loved ones should have to say goodbye… Screw freedom of speech, and consider instead how questionable these assemblies are in terms of being peaceful or not. What is defined as “peaceful”—does anyone know? Because I’d argue (with my basic Constitutional knowledge) that this is NOT peaceful, even if all they are doing is speaking, because if there’s anywhere a sense of calm and order should be maintained, it’s at a funeral! My heart goes out to those families and friends of our fallen heroes who’ve had to listen to such hypocritical contempt. Feel peace in knowing in your heart all the sterling qualities that a soldier makes. Between these people tarnishing the name of religion and that rare, special kind of person that is a soldier, the SOLDIER is the one who should meet a beautiful end. And I’m wholly confident he/she will.
By Squirrellygirl
March 4, 2011 2:58 PM | Link to this
BTW, Westboro Church needs to read the entire Books of the Bible. They obviously haven’t done that. It isn’t for them to judge, it is for God. And if they read the Bible they would know that Jesus hung out with the sinners, because they were the ones that needed Him. So this church of “believers” are suspect, and we all know it. But their freedom of speech is still protected. Now, if we could just get Obama and his AG Holder to uphold our laws instead of picking and choosing which ones they want to enforce. Huh?
By Squirrellygirl
March 4, 2011 2:47 PM | Link to this
Does the government telling people they can’t have manger scenes sound like religious freedom to you, or is it government daddy telling his children exactly how they will not be allowed to express their beliefs? I think it sounds like mean ol daddy government stomping on my freedom of speech and freedom of religion. That’s what I think. When a minority can tell the majority they can’t have a manger scene without the devil’s right next to it, that’s not religious freedom.
By Tom
March 4, 2011 2:18 PM | Link to this
ok, so went back and re-read…the case was thrown out and the school admitted that there is no rule against bringing bibles to school…now on the same link there is the story about the girl leading a prayer citing Jesus which was deemed to violate the 1st amendment which is true. Basically there is the spirit of the law and the letter of the law, you and I both know what the spirit of the law is, but the SC has to go by the letter. But if the Constitution is to remain the supreme law of the land, then the SC has to rule the way they did else there wouldn’t be a message board for us to be able to come and voice our opinions.
By Squirrellygirl
March 4, 2011 12:43 PM | Link to this
Tom, this was back in 2000, and you can go to the link I provided to read the whole article. I’m not sure what the results were, but I know that this stuff goes on all the time. We have schools that are afraid to have Christmas programs with the kids because they are afraid they will offend someone. They don’t call it Christmas anymore, stuff like that. I know this might sound petty, but we are “protected” by our government so much that we forget daddy government may not be right sometimes, may not be within the Constitutional law sometimes. There are some people that are making decisions for our students’ textbooks that are rewriting our history to remove information about belief in God by our forefathers, and also some of the socialism and communism that went on under a couple of our presidents last century. Some people who were, for example, Italian weren’t allowed the same rights as other citizens. NY students have Van Jones to thank for some of their curriculum, and he’s a self acclaimed Communist. We must stop the subversives from taking over our Republic from within and from using our easily manipulated and immature children by indoctrinating them at an early age when they aren’t able to make adult decisions. This accounts for a lot of misspent money in the Department of Education. And there is a lot of duplication which needs to be eliminated for cost sake.
By Tom
March 4, 2011 12:21 PM | Link to this
okay, so a teacher made a decision in class and the district is being sued…my guess is that the school is going to lose this one…i didn’t see court decision listed on your post, did i miss it or is it over? Also, I get what you are saying about government overstepping bounds in some instances but no matter what party (and frankly I’m Independent) or administration, there will always be wasteful spending and useless laws. I personally feel that the cell phone laws are not necessary as laws against distracted driving already exist. Politicians think they have to put their name on something so people will re-elect them.
By Squirrellygirl
March 4, 2011 12:06 PM | Link to this
There are extremes on both ends, like Westboro Church and Shariah Law (where they cut your head off if you leave their religion). We must tolerate freedom of speech, and freedom of religion. However, with Shariah Law other religions are not tolerated. That is what we are facing in this country and around the world with the uprisings, the Kalifate. There have been interpretations of our laws that restrict the rights of American citizens to worship the religion of their choice. This interpretation says it is limiting the citizens’ freedom of religion in order to protect them from a universal government religion; however, the law was meant to protect religious freedom from government interference. This is the same thinking that socialism is forced on its citizens because they are ignorant, don’t make good decisions, and are incapable of taking care of themselves and making good decisions, so the government will tell them what they are and aren’t allowed to do. For example, the latest government craze to limit how much salt you are allowed to put on your food, or which radio stations you are allowed to listen to, or which news stations are allowed to broadcast without having to pay a 100% tax—this is one of the progressives sneaky ways of manipulating our freedom of speech. Do you see the difference? I do, and this is a huge issue for a lot of Americans, and a good reason to get this current administration out of the WhiteHouse.
By Squirrellygirl
March 4, 2011 11:57 AM | Link to this
Sorry about the double post. I only hit the “submit” button one time. Here is the link to the article: http://www.adherents.com/misc/school_houston.html
By Squirrellygirl
March 4, 2011 11:45 AM | Link to this
“WILLIS — School officials were silent Tuesday about a federal lawsuit filed on behalf of three pupils, accusing the Willis school district of refusing to allow children to carry or read the Bible. The lawsuit, filed in Houston, alleges that a teacher at Lynn Lucas Middle School pulled two sisters from class after discovering that they were carrying Bibles and threatened to have them picked up by child-welfare authorities. Another teacher told a pupil he was not allowed to read the Bible during free reading time and forced him to put it away, the lawsuit alleges. The boy also was required to remove a Ten Commandments book cover from another book, the lawsuit states. School district officials did not respond to requests for comment. Mathew Staver, a lawyer whose Liberty Counsel legal defense organization filed the lawsuit Friday on behalf of the three pupils and their parents, said the district was served with the lawsuit Monday. Liberty Counsel is based in Orlando, Fla. The lawsuit accuses the district of four violations of the U.S. Constitution, three violations of the Texas Constitution and two violations of state laws. It asks that a judge order the district to allow the carrying of Bibles in school and the use of book covers printed with the Ten Commandments or other religious content. “My daughters called me, were hysterical, and said, ‘Mama, they took our Bibles and called them garbage and threw them in the garbage and then threatened to call Child Protective Services,’ ” Deborah Bedenbender, 37, a Willis homemaker, said Tuesday. Her daughters by a previous marriage, Angela Harbison, 15, and Amber Harbison, 13, are plaintiffs in the lawsuit. She and her husband, Jody, 50, a contractor, are joining the case, as well. The trouble occurred during a Saturday class the two sisters were required to attend to make up for time missed while they were ill, the lawsuit states. Bedenbender said she took the girls to class March 11 and each carried a Bible, as they had in previous Saturday sessions. “We arrived at school and she was checking on us,” Angela said of teacher Sara Flottman, who is named in the lawsuit. “She waved (Angela’s) Bible in Amber’s face and said, ‘Do you have one of these?’ ” Angela said. She said Flottman took her and Amber to the school office, threw their Bibles in a wastebasket and said, “We don’t tolerate this garbage in school.” Angela said another teacher was in charge when she and her sister brought Bibles to previous Saturday classes. March 11 was the first day Flottman had handled the class when the girls were present, Angela said. Bedenbender said the girls called her from school and that she calmed them and asked to speak with the teacher. An angry exchange occurred and Bedenbender alleges that Flottman threatened to have the children removed by Child Protective Services if she failed to pick them up within 30 minutes. Bedenbender said she retrieved the Bibles from the wastebasket and left with her daughters. A week later she withdrew them from the district and began home-schooling them. Three others of her nine children are still attending school in the district, she said. The lawsuit also alleges that a teacher required Jeremy Pasket, 13, to remove a Ten Commandments book cover from a book. A teacher, identified in the lawsuit only as “Mrs. Billingsley,” also told Jeremy to put his Bible away and that he could not have it at school, the lawsuit alleges. The boy and his father, Robert Pasket, a welder from Willis, joined the Bedenbenders in the lawsuit. The Paskets could not be reached for comment Tuesday. Named as defendants are the school district, the school board, Superintendent Kay Karr, Lynn Lucas Middle School principal Rayford McIlhaney, vice principals Keith Wienecke and Rhonda Hill, and Flottman. None of them could be reached for comment. Staver said the district had 20 days in which to respond. He said he hopes to reach an agreement that would allow the two sisters to return to school. “We would like the school’s cooperation to make sure this wouldn’t happen again,” he said. “If they can’t give us some assurances, we’re going to ask the court.” The lawsuit accuses the school district of violating the pupils’ constitutional right to free speech and violating the Constitution’s establishment clause, which prohibits excessive government entanglement with religion. The district also is accused of violating the children’s right to free exercise of religion and denying them equal protection under the Constitution. Staver said federal courts may also hear cases alleging violations of state laws if they are accompanied by federal violations. Therefore, the suit also alleges violation of freedom of speech, free exercise of religion and the right to equal protection under the Texas Constitution. The district violated state laws on parental rights and exercise of religion, the lawsuit alleges. Bibles, book covers cause school grief Date: 1 June 2000 Source: Associated Press (URL: http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000601/12/religion-briefs) CONROE, Texas (AP) - A legal watchdog group has filed a lawsuit against the Willis Independent School District, claiming it violated the federal and state constitutions by denying several students freedom of religion and speech. In one case, the group charged, Sara Flotman, a middle school teacher, tossed the Bibles of two students into a trash can, saying, “This is trash.” The plaintiffs are Angela Harbison, 15, and her sister, Amber, 13. The lawsuit also claims the school district told three students to remove book covers with the Ten Commandments printed on them. One of those students, Jeremy Pasket, and his parents, also are plaintiffs. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Houston by the Florida-based Liberty Counsel. Willis school district officials declined comment, saying they had yet to see it. Mat Staver, the plaintiffs’ attorney, said the lawsuit “seeks to educate the educators. Despite their misguided beliefs, the Constitution is still the law of the land.”
By Squirrellygirl
March 4, 2011 11:45 AM | Link to this
“WILLIS — School officials were silent Tuesday about a federal lawsuit filed on behalf of three pupils, accusing the Willis school district of refusing to allow children to carry or read the Bible. The lawsuit, filed in Houston, alleges that a teacher at Lynn Lucas Middle School pulled two sisters from class after discovering that they were carrying Bibles and threatened to have them picked up by child-welfare authorities. Another teacher told a pupil he was not allowed to read the Bible during free reading time and forced him to put it away, the lawsuit alleges. The boy also was required to remove a Ten Commandments book cover from another book, the lawsuit states. School district officials did not respond to requests for comment. Mathew Staver, a lawyer whose Liberty Counsel legal defense organization filed the lawsuit Friday on behalf of the three pupils and their parents, said the district was served with the lawsuit Monday. Liberty Counsel is based in Orlando, Fla. The lawsuit accuses the district of four violations of the U.S. Constitution, three violations of the Texas Constitution and two violations of state laws. It asks that a judge order the district to allow the carrying of Bibles in school and the use of book covers printed with the Ten Commandments or other religious content. “My daughters called me, were hysterical, and said, ‘Mama, they took our Bibles and called them garbage and threw them in the garbage and then threatened to call Child Protective Services,’ ” Deborah Bedenbender, 37, a Willis homemaker, said Tuesday. Her daughters by a previous marriage, Angela Harbison, 15, and Amber Harbison, 13, are plaintiffs in the lawsuit. She and her husband, Jody, 50, a contractor, are joining the case, as well. The trouble occurred during a Saturday class the two sisters were required to attend to make up for time missed while they were ill, the lawsuit states. Bedenbender said she took the girls to class March 11 and each carried a Bible, as they had in previous Saturday sessions. “We arrived at school and she was checking on us,” Angela said of teacher Sara Flottman, who is named in the lawsuit. “She waved (Angela’s) Bible in Amber’s face and said, ‘Do you have one of these?’ ” Angela said. She said Flottman took her and Amber to the school office, threw their Bibles in a wastebasket and said, “We don’t tolerate this garbage in school.” Angela said another teacher was in charge when she and her sister brought Bibles to previous Saturday classes. March 11 was the first day Flottman had handled the class when the girls were present, Angela said. Bedenbender said the girls called her from school and that she calmed them and asked to speak with the teacher. An angry exchange occurred and Bedenbender alleges that Flottman threatened to have the children removed by Child Protective Services if she failed to pick them up within 30 minutes. Bedenbender said she retrieved the Bibles from the wastebasket and left with her daughters. A week later she withdrew them from the district and began home-schooling them. Three others of her nine children are still attending school in the district, she said. The lawsuit also alleges that a teacher required Jeremy Pasket, 13, to remove a Ten Commandments book cover from a book. A teacher, identified in the lawsuit only as “Mrs. Billingsley,” also told Jeremy to put his Bible away and that he could not have it at school, the lawsuit alleges. The boy and his father, Robert Pasket, a welder from Willis, joined the Bedenbenders in the lawsuit. The Paskets could not be reached for comment Tuesday. Named as defendants are the school district, the school board, Superintendent Kay Karr, Lynn Lucas Middle School principal Rayford McIlhaney, vice principals Keith Wienecke and Rhonda Hill, and Flottman. None of them could be reached for comment. Staver said the district had 20 days in which to respond. He said he hopes to reach an agreement that would allow the two sisters to return to school. “We would like the school’s cooperation to make sure this wouldn’t happen again,” he said. “If they can’t give us some assurances, we’re going to ask the court.” The lawsuit accuses the school district of violating the pupils’ constitutional right to free speech and violating the Constitution’s establishment clause, which prohibits excessive government entanglement with religion. The district also is accused of violating the children’s right to free exercise of religion and denying them equal protection under the Constitution. Staver said federal courts may also hear cases alleging violations of state laws if they are accompanied by federal violations. Therefore, the suit also alleges violation of freedom of speech, free exercise of religion and the right to equal protection under the Texas Constitution. The district violated state laws on parental rights and exercise of religion, the lawsuit alleges. Bibles, book covers cause school grief Date: 1 June 2000 Source: Associated Press (URL: http://news.excite.com/news/ap/000601/12/religion-briefs) CONROE, Texas (AP) - A legal watchdog group has filed a lawsuit against the Willis Independent School District, claiming it violated the federal and state constitutions by denying several students freedom of religion and speech. In one case, the group charged, Sara Flotman, a middle school teacher, tossed the Bibles of two students into a trash can, saying, “This is trash.” The plaintiffs are Angela Harbison, 15, and her sister, Amber, 13. The lawsuit also claims the school district told three students to remove book covers with the Ten Commandments printed on them. One of those students, Jeremy Pasket, and his parents, also are plaintiffs. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Houston by the Florida-based Liberty Counsel. Willis school district officials declined comment, saying they had yet to see it. Mat Staver, the plaintiffs’ attorney, said the lawsuit “seeks to educate the educators. Despite their misguided beliefs, the Constitution is still the law of the land.”
By Mike
March 4, 2011 10:51 AM | Link to this
I believe these Idiots have had more than their 15 minutes. Yes you have the right to freedom of speech no matter how offensive or hurtful it may be.That being said, the heroes past and present who helped insure our freedoms should be remembered and honored. I have now wasted more time on these hate spreading self promoting ignorant fools.We should all ignore these morons and hope they don’t have any children. If no one gives them an audience maybe they will just go away.
By Mike
March 4, 2011 10:51 AM | Link to this
I believe these Idiots have had more than their 15 minutes. Yes you have the right to freedom of speech no matter how offensive or hurtful it may be.That being said, the heroes past and present who helped insure our freedoms should be remembered and honored. I have now wasted more time on these hate spreading self promoting ignorant fools.We should all ignore these morons and hope they don’t have any children. If no one gives them an audience maybe they will just go away.
By Mad max
March 3, 2011 12:55 PM | Link to this
I cannot believe that anyone is okay with a protest for any reason at the funeral of a soldier that gave his life to protect our WAY OF LIFE! I can tell you one thing for certain I have family in the military and if they showed up to the funeral of one of my loved ones it would not be a pretty site.
By Anon
March 3, 2011 11:04 AM | Link to this
Unfortunately, they have this right under the 1st Amendment. However, just because it is a right under the law does not mean it is right to do for basic human decency. It’s groups like these lunatics at this church that give Christians a bad name. It’s not very Christian what they are doing. Didnt Christ preach love thy neighbor and judgment will come from God?
By Tom
March 3, 2011 10:53 AM | Link to this
@Squirrellygirl: Tell me where there is a LAW that says a child cannot bring a bible to school, pray, or read in public. Those are all totally fine. Now, that same person cannot lead the school in a prayer nor can the school read the bible over the PA system to all students. The 1st amendment is the fundamentals on which this country was founded. This exists because our Founding Fathers did not want the King to force his religion on them in England. The SC has to let this people stand 1000 feet away from funerals with their signs, no matter how distorted you or I think their views are, just as the SC would have to let anyone else stand 1000 feet away from Westboro Church with a sign stating that God hates Westboro Church if someone so desired.
By chuckles
March 3, 2011 9:13 AM | Link to this
please come to one of my loved ones funeral and try to hide behind your so called rights.
By rjsjr
March 3, 2011 9:04 AM | Link to this
I think justice (the supreme court type) would be well served if hundreds of thousands would attend all of the SCOTUS relatives funeral and protest / disturb the peace at their family funerals. They might see it in a different light if it were personally affecting their own families. I fully believe in free speech, just like I have the right to stand on any street corner and swing my fists - until it contacts your face! There my freedom ends.
By Squirrellygirl
March 3, 2011 9:00 AM | Link to this
I agree with IRATE: “Then citizens who want to pray in public or salute a flag or say the Pledge should be allowed.” Christians’ rights have been assaulted. It should apply always to all. When kids can’t bring a Bible to school, or read it in public, or pray before eating, it all seems like it is just for show. We all know that God is not smiling on this Westboro church. God loves all people and wants all people to be saved, but gays won’t be drawn to a hate filled church. Hate doesn’t save anybody. We all know them for what they are. But Christians should not be silenced, and we are. We have to walk on egg shells to make sure the minority isn’t offended. All of this politically correct crap is just that. Time for real liberty. Time for a smaller government that doesn’t have time to get into our personal lives. Time for real freedom.
By Tom
March 3, 2011 8:55 AM | Link to this
@irate: You can be on public property and salute the flag, pray, and say the pledge…just like anyone can go picket their church as long as it is on public property (not land owned by the church) and follows any applicable laws in the locale. If the court ruled against these morons, then it would set such a precedent that the fundamentals on which this country were built would be negated.
By KateofOhio
March 3, 2011 7:36 AM | Link to this
Perhaps we should cut our military forces down to 5%. Let’s see how long it takes the countless lunatic self-appointed dictators in the world to commit genocide. Once their own countries are wiped out,they can move on and on. I’d LOVE TO SEE those hate mongrels in this country for a day or two having at it w/ our “freedom of hate speech/burning of our flag” people. They’d be squealing like little piggies all the way home. Oh, better have your guns ready until the Supremes find a non-sensical reason to take those away or try to, at least. BTW, the Westboro “church” has it wrong. At least, I think so. The last I heard, God doesn’t hate.
By Retired Sgt
March 3, 2011 7:23 AM | Link to this
Speech must be protected, no matter how bad it is. Westboro Church members are truly ignorant hatemongers, but they do have the right to freedom of speech. Now, I would say, why not picket THEIR church? Another note of interest in the ruling is that the SCOTUS did allow “barrier zones” (Kinda like what we did with the KKK in Downtown Dayton 15 years ago). There is nothing wrong with putting them 1000 feet away, in an area where they cant be seen by the funeral goers. That would appear to be legal…
By Vietnam Veteran
March 3, 2011 7:23 AM | Link to this
I wonder if the Westboro Baptist Church congregation realize that the dead soldiers they are protesting are the very reason they are permitted their freedom of speech.
By bob
March 3, 2011 1:17 AM | Link to this
YES! I agree 110% with the Supreme Court and the Westboro Church. They both are absolutely right and their cause is just. (BTW, your “freedom of speech” was null and void when HATE CRIME laws were passed.) Freedom for one means freedom for all, like it or not. GO W.B.C. and SCOTUS!!!!
By irate
March 2, 2011 9:27 PM | Link to this
Freedom of speech they say..crap! Then citizens who want to pray in public or salute a flag or say the Pledge should be allowed. Judges are jekyl and hyde!
By earl
March 2, 2011 6:59 PM | Link to this
Do these people really believe they are serving God? Where is the Baptist church community? And why hasn’t someone kicked the snot out of these people(sic)claiming they were exercising their first amendment rights?
By steve
March 2, 2011 6:01 PM | Link to this
Yeah null unless their Mom and Dad or family member is in a union then you’d probably being out there with them calling them parasites you hypocritcal POS.
By Sigh
March 2, 2011 4:47 PM | Link to this
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court had to rule this way to avoid setting a legal precedent for 1st amendment rights…the same as when the KKK wants to have a march…@null, yes you could picket that mosque as long as you were obeying any posted signs or police ordinances regarding your actions (i.e - saty 100 feet away, etc…)…I do not agree with Westboro in any way, shape, or form, but we have to protect the 1st amendment…best thing to do is ignore groups like this…they go away if there is no media attention b/c then no one knows about it which defeats their own purpose…fighting them is what they want b/c they become more visible that way.
By Janet
March 2, 2011 4:43 PM | Link to this
These people need to get their own life. People who are trying to say goodbye to a loved one doesn’t need people talking their crap. I think that I would be getting in their face. This is not showing any respect to someone who has died to protect these dumb people. We should send them to fight and die for all of us,Get a life people.
By null
March 2, 2011 3:43 PM | Link to this
Is there nothing sacred anymore? does this mean that I wont be arrested for standing on the sidewalk infront of where they want to build a mosque in New York at the sight where thousands of Americans were killed? I know I would be arrested for that but yet Westboro Church can picket a military funeral for someone who gave their life for the very freedom they are expressing. A sad state of affairs in my eyes. and by the way Westboro Church members God does NOT HATE any living thing, what religion has taught you that??? If you want to go to the Bible how many of your members have piercings or tattoos? the Bible DOES say you should not purposely pierce or permantely mark your body. God doesnt hate anyone, thats your sick interpretation of what your pastor reads you. Let the members of the families of these fallen commrads have peace for their loved one, have a little decency for once.
By nephewofwwIIheros
March 2, 2011 3:03 PM | Link to this
any soldier that dies in defense of their country should be given the respect of all people - to turn the hero’s day into a politico event is wrong on all levels these events are protected by moral levels tell me where the funeral go’s and I will stand in front of these bible beaters as the hero stood for me to take a bullet
By Westboro Gay Pride
March 2, 2011 3:00 PM | Link to this
I want to picket, protest, defile, and degrate any and all Westoboro Baptist who die or are dying. Telling them to make haste to death and visit your supreme being who resides in hell. The supreme court says I can.