By whome

June 29, 2011 9:57 PM | Link to this

@perspective, what I posted was NOT a “story”!It was a TRUTH that I lived through, whether you believe it or not. Unless it’s YOU, or YOUR daughter, or your best friend, you have NO IDEA what it’s like to have to make a heart-wrenching decision. Yes, we are the “few”, but who do you think you are to force your ideology on US? Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and THEN you can make your snide remarks, you “holier-than-thou” tea drinking hypocrites. “Small Government”, my a z z! Oh, while you’re at it, why don’t you go volunteer for a few hours at “Whispering Pines”, and spend the day with the poor souls who live there? Your idol, Sarah Palin should be out advocating for THEM, but she’s too busy stuffing all the cash she can into her saddlebags all the while dragging poor little Trig around like a sack of potatoes. He needs to be in an early intervention program, but she’s too ignorant to know any better. Absolutely disgusting.

By Leslie

June 29, 2011 8:38 AM | Link to this

Amy your stupid propaganda is such cr*p. “It barely has a heart beat and you want to force the mother to carry a dead baby.” Yeah that’s what the bill is all about. People aren’t stupid Amy thereby your stupid statements just don’t work. You with your it! Well how about the fact that it, has its little legs pulled off and arms pulled off in the womb so that the doctor call pull it out during the abortion. And how about the scissors in the back of the neck while still in the womb. Hey as long as your not burdening the mother with it, your okay with pulling limbs off of it. Do you pull wings off of flies too?

By Quentin0352

June 28, 2011 6:20 PM | Link to this

Amy, men are frequently at risk because they are forced to work to pay child support or be jailed. If you go to the number of hours a man works to pay child support compared to the number of hours a woman is pregnant, you will find he tends to spend a LOT more time involved. It also ignores my previous points that even males who are raped or molested are STILL required to pay support as well as serious problems like being forced to register with the state if he wants any rights to prevent adoption, the ability of a woman to just move and hide it from him yet gain child support back dated up to 14 years in Ohio or that over 40 states will still refuse DNA evidence if a court has proclaimed him the father for paying child support even if he is not really the father. If the state can enforce felony fraud on many men and even male children who are victims of abuse, then why could it not force women to have a child? You can’t have it both ways where the male is responsible no matter how she managed to get his sperm but he has no rights to the child resulting from it. Yet that is the system we have now and one you and most others see as fair and proper. SO, are women equal to men and therefore should be held equally responsibile as men or are women not responsible for their sexual encounters and as men are the responsible one, then shouldn’t the men be the ones who choose on abortion?

By Perspective

June 28, 2011 3:17 PM | Link to this

You know,the Right to Choose people often throw up child abuse statistics and stories such as whome did. Then they ask if the conservatives will adopt the unwanted children when they are born. So I want to ask all you Right to Choose people if you do anything to help the abused and unwanted kids? Do you adopt children? Do you help in anyway abused children? I’m going out on a limb but I think most of you who use these arguments do very little for these children. You’re all about killing unborn children to save them from the horrors of a bad life. Well guess what? Life isn’t always good,isn’t always easy,isn’t always fun,but in my opinion it’s a whole lot better alternative than death. I can abide by abortion under certain circumstances such as rape,incest,mothers life in danger, but it shouldn’t be used to correct someone’s bad decision making.

By whome

June 28, 2011 2:11 PM | Link to this

@shellymoe: Thanks for bringing up Trisomy-18. You could have been talking about me. No one can imagine how horrible it feels to be told that your unborn child is doomed to die. It was the most agonizing and depressing time of my life. I am so happy that my God allowed me to have a healthy son after the birth/death of my 1st son. I truly appreciate life, but I don’t think it’s right that people want to legislate whether or not I should carry my ” conditions not compatible with life”, child to term when there is no hope, only pain ahead. It IS possible to induce birth early in a hopeless situation. MVH has a wonderful, caring and respectful staff who give the family and baby the UTMOST respect… Here’s what happens to unwanted kids: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008765/Chilling-letters-Christian-Coate-boy-kept-dog-cage-parents.html We know there way too many of these sad cases…

By Perspective

June 28, 2011 1:43 PM | Link to this

@Amy Unless the woman was raped Amy nothing is forced upon her. If a woman isn’t financially or emotionally ready to raise a child then they shouldn’t be having sex,or at the least not have unprotected sex. Abortion is a symptom of our society that is “Me,Me,Me” and forget how anything affects anyone else. Maybe if women knew they could only get abortions under certain circumstances(rape,incest,mothers life at risk) they wouldn’t be so irresponsible about their sex lives. @Laura,please give some examples of “attacks” the GOP made on women and children in the budget hearings instead of making a blanket statement with no FACTUAL basis. You say things to inflame people and you give no facts to back up what you say.

By LR

June 28, 2011 1:34 PM | Link to this

Yeah, imagine how stable Medicare and Social Security would be with 40 million extra people poofed into existence who can’t find jobs.

By sigh

June 28, 2011 12:56 PM | Link to this

Imagine how more stable Medicare and Social Security would be if the 40 million people murdered by their mothers since the 1970s had been working and contributing to the system.

By Amy

June 28, 2011 12:37 PM | Link to this

@Quentin the difference here is that women have to sacrifice their bodies to grow a baby for nine months and push it out after which they will never fully recover physically. @Leslie “Killing babies” It barely has a heartbeat, yet you want to prolong the suffering so that when it IS fully formed enough for doctors to see that the child isn’t going to live, the mother will have to carry a dead baby to term anyway. How kind of you. This isn’t so that abortion can be nonchalantly used as birth control. This affects people with actual emergencies, real problems, whose birth control failed or who were raped and are now facing a huge financial and emotional journey for which they are unprepared.

By Me

June 28, 2011 12:26 PM | Link to this

Lawyers are probably already working on the stay order. If Ohio is dumb enough to pass this. It will get overturned by the fed. So its like everything else the GOP does here in Ohio. A total waiste of time. By the way, if you are 39 or younger your mother had a choice. You might want to thank her.

By Amy

June 28, 2011 11:33 AM | Link to this

It saddens me that a barely functioning fetus is more important to these people than the fully formed woman who has to go through pregnancy and childbirth, and then raise a child. It’s a tall undertaking and not one that should be forced on women who are not financially or emotionally ready for it.

By Laura

June 28, 2011 11:31 AM | Link to this

Quentin, You assume base on my statements that I don’t care about men. If you read my comments I said the GOP as a whole is attacking women’s health and rights. I would like the state and federal government to stay out of my personal life and stop telling me what I can and can not do with my body.

By Quentin0352

June 28, 2011 10:46 AM | Link to this

@Carrie, you already make the choices for the men so of course you do not care how it effects them. You just don’t want to have the same level of choices/responsibilities as you feel is OK for men to have. ……………………..@Laura, the democrats have been at war with males for decades now, did you sit by the sidelines cheering that or did you actually stand up like you do for anything effecting women? Democrats have used tons of lies to do things like create hundreds Departments of Women’s Health with zero for men’s health. Democrats flat lied on the floor and all over the place in passing the Violence Against Women Act that prohibited services for males over 13. Democrats also tried to claim women needed help with employment more than males though males were 85% of those who lost jobs in the recession. Also let us not forget Ried stated men losign their jobs will be beating up women for no real reason. I gave give plenty of examples of democrats war on males. Maybe if they saw males as actual people and humans who deserve equal treatment to women and equal help instead of as an underclass like you seem to feel, then they wold have more respect from me. In the mean time using a ton of lies to spew hate for males so they can get votes from women is something that both sides need to fix. If you can’t use actual facts and reason, then spewing hate for men is no more acceptable than spewing it about blacks, hispanics or etc I would hope.

By Quentin0352

June 28, 2011 10:28 AM | Link to this

@shellymoe I have seen it ordered several times witout a test. Usually it was with a married couple and it involves a divorce but he still had to pay while waiting for a DNA test while he was in doubt. You may want to look up the history of why Ohio was the first state to allow DNA. It has been less than a decade since the laws were changed and the man who managed to get it done spent a lot of time in jail and still had to pay support though it was shown through DNA tests that 4 of the 5 children his wife had during their marriage were actually from a long term affair she was having that he found out about and divorced her over. Tens of thousands of dollars of his money was stolen from him through fraud with the state enforcing it. Also a non-married couple the father has no rights to prevent adoption or anything unless he registers with the state. Imagine if women had to register with the state to have any rights to their children and the outrage we would see but we have that for males and the agency is almost unheard of with the state preferring that so men don’t register.

By Carrie E Peston

June 28, 2011 10:13 AM | Link to this

I don’t care how this effects men. That is irrelevant, It is about women having the right to choose. It is our bodies. I had the right to choose and I decided not to have an abortion. That was my choice. I don’t make your choices you won’t make mine.

By Squirrellygirl

June 28, 2011 10:01 AM | Link to this

As a tax payer, I feel attacked by the Democratic party in their pushing their funding for special interest programs, most of which I don’t agree with and shouldn’t be funding as a tax payer. As I believe abortion is murder of a human baby, I’m against tax payer funded abortions. How are we ever going to cut the deficit when we are funding stuff like that? Wonder where the media is when gas was $4/gal and Obama’s reg czar is sitting on drilling permits, but are opening our reserves. Sounds like Obama wants to drive gas prices down artificially so he can get reelected. We need a new president who will look out for our country instead of what the country can do for him. I think Obama is selfish and narcisstic.

By Leslie

June 28, 2011 9:23 AM | Link to this

It amazes me those that are claiming the GOP wants to push its morals and views and tell us how to live. When you have the democrat party that is telling you what you can and cannot eat, the democrat party is forcing your children to learn about sex at the age of 5, the democrat party is forcing you to buy health insurance, the democrat party chooses to take away your choice to choose on just about anything except your choice to kill your unborn baby. Then the scream oh no women’s health care is being violate cause if you cannot kill your baby then you are not getting health care. And of course all the stupid but the GOP won’t take care of the baby after it is born, yeah idiots let us keep pushing irresponsibility and no morals, no ethics, it is just a free fall all do whatever thing you want democrat love fest.

By Laura

June 28, 2011 8:17 AM | Link to this

Leslie, If you followed the budget talks on the US House floor like I did, the GOP attacked women, children along with cutting funding to WIC and other programs. I don’t know where the Democratic party stands on abortion.

By shellymoe

June 28, 2011 4:08 AM | Link to this

House Bill 78 would also be very bad. While I would agree that the mother should have made a decision prior to week 20, there are some circumstances in which this isn’t possible. One example is Trisomy 18. It is a gene abnormality that is often detected in the middle of the 2nd trimester. Most babies with this are born still. Of the ones who are born alive, about half survive the 1st month & only about 10% survive the 1st year. It would be immoral to tell a woman she had to continue with a pregnancy, feeling that baby grow & move in her body, knowing that she probably won’t bring that baby home. An internet buddy did deliver a baby girl with Trisomy 18, but she only lived a few hours. If a woman chooses to forego that type of heartache, then that option should not be taken away from them.

By shellymoe

June 28, 2011 3:48 AM | Link to this

I’ve known a few men that have had to undergo paternity testing & NONE of them were ever ordered to pay support prior to the positive results based solely on the mother’s claims. For me, abortion is not an option, but I don’t feel that decision should be taken away from women. What happens to the woman who has irregular cycles & doesn’t find out she’s pregnant until after the fetal heartbeat is established? My 1st pregnancy was detected until I was 7 weeks & by then, our daughter did have cardiac activity. I seriously doubt this bill passes & as stated by another poster, if it does it will be overturned.

By LR

June 27, 2011 10:31 PM | Link to this

I personally think men should have the right to relinquish their parental rights within the time frame of legal abortion, assuming they are aware of the pregnancy. However, in this case it’s irrelevant. This bill puts the “rights” of a non-viable fetus above both men and women. If this becomes law, men will be forced to be fathers, no matter what, and women are demoted to incubators.

By LR

June 27, 2011 10:30 PM | Link to this

I personally think men should have the right to relinquish their parental rights within the time frame of legal abortion, assuming they are aware of the pregnancy. However, in this case it’s irrelevant. This bill puts the “rights” of a non-viable fetus above both men and women. If this becomes law, men will be forced to be fathers, no matter what, and women are demoted to incubators.

By J.B.

June 27, 2011 10:04 PM | Link to this

It is easy to stand on the sidelines and scream “murderer” to women who undergo abortions. But look at all the kids on social services roles and even those who suffered and/or died by the hands of their parents and ask where is the logic in these two bills? I think it is missing.

By DMK

June 27, 2011 9:45 PM | Link to this

I bet Janet Folger Porter or for that matter any other right to lifer are not standing in line to adopt a number of these children who would be born. On the otherhand, they feel that it is their right to impose their views and morals on others. I respect their view but I have serious issues when they want to push those views on others who dont want them sticking their nose into their personal business. Time to STOP legislating moral issues. And time for politicians to STOP PANDERING to the religious right. Let the citizens of this state and country make their own decisions and deal with the consequences on their own.

By Quentin0352

June 27, 2011 9:43 PM | Link to this

LR and etc, the argument should be simple, males have no legal right to abort and also no right to privacy, which is what Roe VS Wade was ruled on, once a woman names them as the father of a child. Males also are not excused from the responsibility of child support when the male is a victim of a sex crime like rape incest or molestation. Add in that even when a man is NOT really the father, he is not able to recoup any child support he paid while being decieved, but in most states DNA is not submissable for him to be relieved of paying support when he finds out he really isn’t the father. So, are women equal to men adn should be held to an equal standard or do we say women are NOT equal but granted rights over men and should also not have equal rights to males in other areas in return? To say women should have equal rights to men in all areas but then declare they should have special rights in reproduction with men still being responsible or that women should have special rights to medical care over men would be the same as arguing we can discriminate based on race, religion or sexual preference. Claiming I am a conservative, republican or etc is not only inaccurate but also shows those wo tend to be liberal and feminists who support the argument are not willing to address a very serious flaw in their own reasoning and standards of equality. And if you wonder, I am actually libertarian so have things on both sides I agree with and disagree with but my experience shows that the conservatives and republicans tend to be much more receptive to men having either reproductive rights or the ability to remove responsibility though something like a legal abortion than the liberals and feminists.

By Quentin0352

June 27, 2011 9:25 PM | Link to this

So more insults and dodging JohnF? It is simple, read again and last I checked, telling a 12-year old boy who was molested he shoudl “Man up” and pay child support to his teacher that molested him isn’t exactly being responsible or much of a parent. Then again, notice your argument that males should “man up” no matter how she got pregnant but women should be allowed to opt out at their own desires instead of “woman up” and accepting responsibility for having unprotected sex. If nothing else your posts show exactly what I was talking about in your being against equality like most abortion supporters. You will demand women have the rights but men should have no rights, just responsibilities.

By LR

June 27, 2011 9:25 PM | Link to this

I hope these anti-choice politicians are prepared to foot the bill for prenatal care, delivery, WIC, housing assistance, food stamps, and Medicaid for all the unwanted babies resulting from their ridiculous legislation. Oh, wait….they don’t give a cr@p about babies once they’re born.

By Eddy James

June 27, 2011 9:21 PM | Link to this

How about we allow abortions to the age of 21 if they can’t spell their name in English,or age of 30 if more than two felony convictions.

By JohnF

June 27, 2011 9:16 PM | Link to this

To Quentin, where to start… Besides the irrational argument of “paying their teacher if they are molested”… Can you clarify your statementmor should we just mark it down to stupidity? As for the point of sending my son to jail for non-payment of child support- ABSOLUTELY, and I have sent my stepson to jail many, many times. Why? Because if you can’t MAN UP and take care of your responsibilities such as children, then you belong in jail. That’s the difference between you and me. Dems and Repubs own up to their responsibilties, if they are men. Sounds like you are still stuck in being a kid, so you blame others.

By BT

June 27, 2011 8:57 PM | Link to this

What a waste of time. Even if it passes, it will be struck down as unconstitutional. Abortion is legal in this country folks.Probably always will be.

By Quentin0352

June 27, 2011 8:50 PM | Link to this

Wow JohnF, that is the best you can come up with? Amazing that when someone says we SHOULD be equal like liberals and feminists state, suddenly it is a bad things and the insults come out. Should we put you down as someone wanting special rights for women instead equality then? Also if you have any sons, are you willing to pay child support to their teacher if they are molested or would you send your son to jail for non-payment of child support? Just want to get the record strait on how you feel about it all.

By KevinBob

June 27, 2011 8:43 PM | Link to this

Obama said it clearly on Sept. 1, 2008 “I Don’t Want My Daughters “Punished With A Baby.” That is what a child is to some Democrats, a burden. Go out and have some sex but don’t take the responsibility resulting from your actions. To some Democrats if it satisfies, do it, if it don’t get rid of it somehow, that is what a child is to some of them.

By JohnF

June 27, 2011 8:39 PM | Link to this

To Quentin- you are an example why everyone knows Republicans hate women. I mean, you guys try to pick up guys in airport restrooms, hit on male interns, take trips to the Dominican Republic with male assistants, etc., etc.

By Quentin0352

June 27, 2011 8:22 PM | Link to this

Same points I always make and see how those supporting abortion run. It is simple, since men have no right to “choose” after conception, then why should women? Heck, for males it isn’t even enough if they were the victim of rape, incest or molesting by a woman but liberals and women’s rights groups have never said word one about it. As for saving money to feed the mouths, good idea! I say we close the hundreds of government agencies and, stop funding the many private agencies, that are out there to only help women. You know, things like various Departments of Women’s Health, numerous DV shelters and groups that refuse males who are victims and etc. After all, women want EQUAL treatment and not special treatment, correct?

By JohnF

June 27, 2011 8:14 PM | Link to this

Republicans love unborn babies, they just hate them after they are born By the way republican whyte trash, where are the jobs Herr Kasich promised?

By Dave

June 27, 2011 8:13 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness they are not working on a jobs bill! After all, when they ran for office talking about jobs, we all knew that was code for conservative social issues!.

By Bodene

June 27, 2011 8:03 PM | Link to this

Brilliant! Just what the planet needs are more unwanted, unemployable mouths to feed. We need to be saved from the anti- reason of religious mythology.

By Leslie

June 27, 2011 7:58 PM | Link to this

Gee Laura how horrible that GOP does not want women to kill their babies. Why do democrats want women to kill their babies?

By jcf

June 27, 2011 7:39 PM | Link to this

I’m all for this bill as long as they decide to raise taxes to help pay for the support some of these new mothers will need. Too often the religious right is more worried about what happens before birth and not what happens to the kid after.

By Laura

June 27, 2011 6:08 PM | Link to this

The Ohio Legislature is doing the same thing that the GOP in Congress is doing. The GOP is attacking women’s health and the right to choose.