By whome

July 1, 2011 8:59 AM | Link to this

@perspective, Admittedly, I was ANGRY when I posted the first time, but I am NOT filled with hatred. I don’t “hate” Sarah Palin, but I don’t respect her. She has been a major disappointment in MY opinion. I don’t hate anyone, even the people who will stab you in the back after smiling to your face. We are ALL God’s children, and I’m tired of the current divisive and poisonous political environment. No, we can’t all agree, but we need to come together and build each other up instead of belittling and nitpicking. I am sorry that I contributed to the problem. Have a nice day, if you want to.

By Perspective

July 1, 2011 7:48 AM | Link to this

@whome Well thank you for a much more civil,on topic post.You still couldn’t resist a little name calling but it was a much more rational post. let’s face it though,your previous post was filled with anger and hatred. When you post things like “Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and THEN you can make your snide remarks, you “holier-than-thou” tea drinking hypocrites. “Small Government”, my a z z!” and “He needs to be in an early intervention program, but she’s too ignorant to know any better. Absolutely disgusting. ” it’s definitely hate filled. Anyway thank you for calming down some.

By whome

June 30, 2011 8:40 PM | Link to this

@perspective, I don’t need your “advice” about my mental state. Self-awareness is a great thing, and I am fully aware of my faults. So you think I sound guilty? NO, I am MAD that people such as yourself feel the need to assume that all lefties want to murder babies. I don’t have “hate in my heart”, for you or anyone else, but I do have plenty of exasperation for ye of the closed minds. Also, you “assume”, that I do nothing to help little abused children, and you are mistaken once again. I can post my comments here just as you can post yours, thanks to FREE SPEECH. Maybe I felt attacked by YOU, since you said, “You know,the Right to Choose people often throw up(would that mean, “vomit”?) child abuse statistics and stories such as whome did.”—- Now to me, that sounds as if you are as they say, pooh-pooh-ing my “alleged” story. Then you assume that my “guilty conscience”, made me respond in the way that I did. You must be omniscient if you claim to “know” my intentions. AS for what I said about “Sister Sarah”, I first of all thought that since she had a Downes Syndrome baby and was also a governor, that she would perhaps become an advocate for handicapped persons. I feel that most children with special needs do NOT get the proper education and opportunities as other children, from yes, again, my OWN personal experience. These kids NEED special help, and that doesn’t come cheap. I hoped after the 2008 elections that she might realize that other children with similar disabilities would not have the financial means to have the best opportunities in life. It appears that she does not. Maybe she just doesn’t care… I’m sorry that you can’t follow my thought patterns, but in my opinion, what I have said is on topic regarding special needs kids/abortion. I would never have induced labor if my unborn son had been diagnosed with Downes. Funny thing, there are more genetic conditions than just Downes, and most of them result in preterm death of the baby or soon after birth. I actually had THREE tests done before we decided what to do. I was in a state of shock over a week waiting and praying… I do not regret my decision, and I do not want to take away the rights of other women/couples who will face the ultimate decision, and THAT is what this bill does. No, I do NOT advocate the use of abortion as birth control. Therefore, I think sex education at an appropriate age and low-cost birth control would yield better results than just saying “NO”. It’s simple: pay now, or pay later.

By Perspective

June 30, 2011 8:25 PM | Link to this

Isn’t it funny how when presented with logical rational statements and questions the “Pro-Choice” people just fade away? Whome is a hater and Ally won’t answer my questions.

By Quentin0352

June 30, 2011 4:26 PM | Link to this

@Perspective, well put. I volunteer and help where I can and when I can as well as dealing with a corrupt system that has encouraged abuse of my children and activly threatened me for trying to stop it. At least Ally does something though I disagree heartily on some things but it is that, a disagreement. Personally I am on neither side of abortion but based my beliefs strictly on equality on the issue. And as I have seen the abuses getting more and more common as well as more and more outragous, anymore the only way I can see them getting anywhere on allowing men ANY actual rights in reproduction is to ban abortion and require they start to allow men equal rights for those women want. Otherwise the system will continue to state males who are as young as 10 are responsible to be a father to a child when they were drugged and raped by an older woman. OUr system going this far and all we hear are how fathers are useless, deabeats, and called nothing more than sperm donors with a responsibility to support a child, then we get situations like with the 10 year old and etc. Either men should have rights in reproduction or they should not have any responsibilities and I bet if we allwed men a right to “abort” as well as refused to force support unless they were allowed access to their children, we would see a lot of unwanted pregnancies reduced.

By Perspective

June 30, 2011 7:27 AM | Link to this

Wow,whome sounds a little “holier than thou”. From the tone of your rant I’d say you need some counseling. Why don’t you go spew your hate speech elsewhere and try to stay on topic and not attack people. Yes,I said you posted a story.Nowhere did I say or imply that it wasn’t true. However your hate filled heart and GUILTY conscience made you respond hatefully. Why do you hate people that disagree with you? Why did you feel the need to attack Sarah Palin when she has nothing to do with this article? Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes? You have no idea how easy or hard my life has been nor I yours. What do you do to help abused children? Have you adopted any children? At least Ally does even though we don’t agree on the subject at hand. You seem to just be looking for a reason to hate. Sad indeed.

By whome

June 29, 2011 10:04 PM | Link to this

@perspective, what I posted was NOT a “story”!It was a TRUTH that I lived through, whether you believe it or not. Unless it’s YOU, or YOUR daughter, or your best friend, you have NO IDEA what it’s like to have to make a heart-wrenching decision. Yes, we are the “few”, but who do you think you are to force your ideology on US? Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and THEN you can make your snide remarks, you “holier-than-thou” tea drinking hypocrites. “Small Government”, my a z z! Oh, while you’re at it, why don’t you go volunteer for a few hours at “Whispering Pines”, and spend the day with the poor souls who live there? Your idol, Sarah Palin should be out advocating for THEM, but she’s too busy stuffing all the cash she can into her saddlebags all the while dragging poor little Trig around like a sack of potatoes. He needs to be in an early intervention program, but she’s too ignorant to know any better. Absolutely disgusting.

By Perspective

June 29, 2011 5:07 PM | Link to this

@Ally Here’s a question for you. Do you honestly feel that the children and teenagers you have worked with would have been better off DEAD? That is exactly what you are advocating. According to your beliefs those children should have been killed instead of allowed to live a “bad life”. Honestly Ally, I think you need to do some soul searching.

By Quentin0352

June 29, 2011 5:03 PM | Link to this

Ally, please work on your reading comprehension so you can address those things directed at you instead of just assuming things like you are. Also your argument about helping the abused is one that had already been stated repeatedly by those supporting abortion and Perspective was reversing their argument. As for not being involved, I do not make much but writing letters to representatives, emailing them and etc does not costs anything. Hence my examples of how society has ignored much worse abuses when they are against males and how most people don’t even know about them since the MSM won’t report on these things. Heck, I can even show plenty of cases where the MSM has supported abusive and dangerous mothers by portraying them as the victim while ignoring all evidence showing these mothers were a danger to their children. Instead these women are told to play the part of the abused with no facts to back their claims and it is taken in whole while the facts and the good fathers involved are totally ignored. Kind of like how much of the Violence Against Women Act was based on flat lies, exaggerations and selective use of parts of studies on domestic violence. People like me fight constantly on these issues and have been threatened and even physically attacked for doing so by these very same groups and people who push so hard about abortion rights and women’s rights. Being broke really has little to do with the ability to stand up to these people and groups as I have seen many men and fathers who were abused and financially destroyed by a system that looks at men=evil/women=good who could find the time to write a letter, send an email, post on a board like this or show up at a protest so why are you not able to do the same?

By Perspective

June 29, 2011 4:43 PM | Link to this

LOL Ally….sometimes the truth hurts. You see you tried to defend the position of “all the abused children” but you tried to do it selectively unrelated to the subject of abortion.(which was kind of odd seeing as that is one of your arguments for abortion) I am NOT trying to convert you to my opinion because I don’t think someone so callous could see the truth. You yourself have said you support abortion and I have said I do only under certain circumstances. BTW opinions are what this issue,or any issue for that matter,is all about.If it makes you feel better to think killing unborn babies is okay because they MIGHT be abused then that’s YOUR OPINION and a sad one at that I might add.That’s a mighty tricky road to travel,guess it’s a good thing your mother decided on LIFE huh?

By Ally

June 29, 2011 3:35 PM | Link to this

Perspective says “@Ally I commend and respect your work/volunteerism but I find it telling you left out the next part of my statement which was “You’re all about killing unborn children to save them from the horrors of a bad life. Well guess what? Life isn’t always good,isn’t always easy,isn’t always fun,but in my opinion it’s a whole lot better alternative than death.” Oh I’m sorry, please point me to the rule on this comment page where if I respond to anything in a person’s post that I have to respond to everything. Please point me to it. “You’re all about killing unborn children to save them from the horrors of a bad life. Well guess what? Life isn’t always good,isn’t always easy,isn’t always fun,but in my opinion it’s a whole lot better alternative than death.” The comment that you have posted is your opinion and is based on your individual Moral code. I DO NOT agree and DO NOT have to agree with your opinion. Stop trying to convert to be Pro-Life. You aren’t going to convert me and I’m not going to convert you. I merely answered a question that you asked which was if I was doing anything to help the born, I did not have to respond to your personal opinion.

By Squirrellygirl

June 29, 2011 3:15 PM | Link to this

A lot of churches are already helping those people. Some pro lifers go to church, and some that go to church volunteer to help out in many ways. Irregardless, none of this provides for citizens to kill unborn babies. And I agree with Perspective regarding the separation of church and government which isn’t in the Constitution. It wasn’t intended by our forefathers to restrain freedom of worship of American citizens, only to protect us from the government forcing one church/religion on everybody. Some people will argue just mentioning “God” is forcing a religion, but “God” is not a religion. I stand with my original opinion that abortion should never be a form of birth control and that the unborn baby who cannot speak for themself should be afforded the right to life without being threatened while still in the womb of the mom who should be protecting the child. I want to add that if anyone had an abortion, all you have to do is ask God for forgiveness (if you want it).

By Perspective

June 29, 2011 3:13 PM | Link to this

@Ally I commend and respect your work/volunteerism but I find it telling you left out the next part of my statement which was “You’re all about killing unborn children to save them from the horrors of a bad life. Well guess what? Life isn’t always good,isn’t always easy,isn’t always fun,but in my opinion it’s a whole lot better alternative than death.”

By Ally

June 29, 2011 1:59 PM | Link to this

Perspective says “So I want to ask all you Right to Choose people if you do anything to help the abused and unwanted kids? Do you adopt children? Do you help in anyway abused children? I’m going out on a limb but I think most of you who use these arguments do very little for these children.” I will acknowledge that you said most Pro-Choice people do nothing to help the children already here. However, it can be flipped to Right to Life and Respect Life people too. I am Pro-Right to have an abortion or take contraception, there are people that want contraception outlawed too, at least I fight against that too. Let’s see what do I do to help the already born children. I and my husband donate what we can on our combined income of of 20-25K a year. I also tutor kids in my city school district that do have family problems. I have volunteered at a homeless shelter. I volunteer at a teen behavioral recreation home. While I’m not “MOST” and I acknowledge that you said most, you also posted the question to All Right to Choose people. You know it’s funny, I know the Right to Life people in my county and I don’t see them volunteering for the homeless shelter, I don’t see them going and helping teens that have behavioral issues. Only 20 in the very Pro-Life church I used to go to volunteered to help in a church program that tutored inner city schools. So it does go both ways.

By Perspective

June 29, 2011 1:42 PM | Link to this

You know,the Right to Choose people often throw up child abuse statistics and stories such as whome did. Then they ask if the conservatives will adopt the unwanted children when they are born. So I want to ask all you Right to Choose people if you do anything to help the abused and unwanted kids? Do you adopt children? Do you help in anyway abused children? I’m going out on a limb but I think most of you who use these arguments do very little for these children. You’re all about killing unborn children to save them from the horrors of a bad life. Well guess what? Life isn’t always good,isn’t always easy,isn’t always fun,but in my opinion it’s a whole lot better alternative than death. I can abide by abortion under certain circumstances such as rape,incest,mothers life in danger, but it shouldn’t be used to correct someone’s bad decision making. @Jeanie,I challenge you to show me in the constitution it says there is supposed to be a separation of church and state. You can’t do it because IT ISN’T IN THE CONSTITUTION. The 1st Amendment reads- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. So you see the intention was to keep the govt. from mandating a “state religion”,not creating a seperation of the two.

By Wow

June 29, 2011 1:04 PM | Link to this

I never said anything about being “poor”, there are poor parents all over the world that are great parents. It’s about being wanted, cared for,nurtured and LOVED! A mother that loves her child and wanted to be a great mom doesn’t put it in the microwave in the first place. I never said I was God and frankly in these conversations you are the one that comes across more judging and all knowing than I. Again with the God conversation, I don’t think that I need to point out that a couple posts below you nixed the God the factor because of separation of church and state. And you are correct in saying that we have no way of knowing what a child’s life will be like, but I think that if women are made to have children they don’t want the rates of child abuse/neglect will go up substantially. Doesn’t that make sense? And if they give up for adoption all the “unwanted” kids who takes care of them? You, me and all the other taxpayers and I know you Squirrelly, you don’t want that! I think that birthcontrol should be as readily available and as cheap as possible for EVERYONE! Sex education should be as graphic and true as it can be. If you think that morality has gone down the tubes wait until a generation of kids that grew up unwanted, uncared for, lost in the system and abused by foster families get older! That should be interesting! Abortion is not pretty, it doesn’t make people feel warm and fuzzy, but when there are drug addicts, rapists, pedophiles and uneducated unprotected kids it is sometimes the lesser of two evils. You are right I am not God and neither are you. Maybe there is a God and maybe there isn’t the good thing for you is that if you haven’t had an abortion you don’t have to worry about it.

By Ally

June 29, 2011 12:38 PM | Link to this

Squirrellygirl: The only exceptions in the heartbeat bill are if the mother is about to die, then it’s self-defense, sorry. Or if there is an anomoly in the fetus or mother that could cause Major bodily damage to the mother if the pregnancy is continued. There is no rape or incest exception and in the fiscal analysis on the ohio general assembly website, the committee members say this will save ohio taxpayers money, because they will no longer have to fund rape or incest abortions.

By Ally

June 29, 2011 12:22 PM | Link to this

Quentin0352: I understand that there is an inequality I get it okay. I get it that there are cases that are unfair to men. If I didn’t make a comment about something, don’t put my name in your comment. You said “Ally” first, then you said etc. I didn’t say anything about that the father should be forced to pay child support even if he was molested and drugged. I was outraged by that, but you have to understand that I get just above minimum wage, I’m a customer service peon. I have zero clout. I’m not influential. If there was a bill about child support and lessening the man’s obligation for it or a bill introducing a male birth control pill, I’d vote for it. I’d call my representative and senator and ask them to vote for it. I’d vote at the polls if it was brought down to the voters. In the last 9 years that I’ve been able to vote, I don’t remember any specific bills for that or voting on that. You wouldn’t know if I “Ally” had done anything about that, because I’m not influential. So because I’m not influential and my name and stance isn’t everywhere, I support men not only being jailed for not paying child support, but even in the cases of the man being drugged and molested??????????? Are you serious, I don’t get how A=B there. Just because you haven’t heard my name and stance on this everywhere, doesn’t mean that I’m not on your side. In short, you still are generalizing about me and slandering me saying that I wasn’t outraged by those cases that you mentioned and your initial response to me of slandering me and saying I support men being forced to pay child support, I DON’T. I would never say anything about you.

By Squirrellygirl

June 29, 2011 11:55 AM | Link to this

Wow, I’m truly sorry you were abused as a baby/child. I think that’s horrible. But we (you and I) aren’t God. God gives and takes life away. If someone has done something worthy of death, they go to court and get the death sentence. But a baby can’t defend themself, and a baby hasn’t done anything worthy of death. I tend to agree that abortion should be on the table for incest/rape (although again the baby has done nothing worthy of death), and wonder if it is in this bill (I don’t know for sure whether that subject is covered in this bill). But abortion should never be used as a method of birth control. We have no way of knowing what kind of future the baby has, or whether the baby will be “microwaved”. To me, it sounds like our society has lost all of its morality. Under that type of thinking, you could eliminate whole nationalities just because they are “poor”. Do you think all Haitians should be put to death? What future could they possibly have? How about putting all Japanese people down since they are having it so bad over there? I’m being facetious here…but I think I’ve proven you can’t use that argument.

By wow

June 29, 2011 10:14 AM | Link to this

Squirrelly… as usual you skirted around what I was asking with your Conservative propaganda… you can call me Hitler all day but no I don’t think that a fourteen year old should have a child with her Uncle who raped her! And yeah I would rather a fetus be aborted than go through the pain of withdrawl from crack, or microwaved to death, or beaten daily because I don’t remember being born, I don’t remember if it was painful, I don’t remember being an infant… but I do remember the bruises, the first belt, the first bite, the punches, slaps, kicks, and all the hateful words as I got older. Call me Hitler all day, you feel one way and I feel another the difference is no one is going to make you get an abortion but you don’t have the right to judge me if I do. On the day of your judgement you don’t have that burden to bear, I do… so I’ll deal with it.

By Squirrellygirl

June 29, 2011 10:01 AM | Link to this

How do you get through to someone who justifies killing an unborn because it might get microwaved? Is this the new low for Americans? Doesn’t this say something about how low we have allowed our morals to get in this nation? Believing in God is a personal choice and should never be forced on anyone. But we are showing the world as well as ourselves what kind of nation we are by the way we treat those who can’t defend themselves, the unborn babies and the seniors. These are the very two groups of people that are attacked by the Democratic politics. Look at the health care bill that Obama pushed on us, and see that it PROVIDES for taxpayer funded abortions, and steals $500 BILLION from Medicare. What does that tell you about this current administration, the progressives, the communists? China and Japan killed their babies like they are dogs. Is that what we want for America?

By Squirrellygirl

June 29, 2011 9:30 AM | Link to this

Try this one on. How about you kill the mother of the unborn after the baby is born? That way, you can still kill somebody, you blood thirsty morons. Seriously, you can’t justify killing an unborn baby. You can call it by another name, like abortion, or pro-choice (to kill), but it is still the same dirty ugly act of murder. You want to talk about how little the baby will enjoy life? Huh. How about talking about the pain the baby endures while it is being killed/murdered inside the mom who is supposed to be protecting the infant! Call the baby a fetus if that makes you feel better and helps your conscience. You are in denial and you are like Hitler if you kill babies. You aren’t any better than Hitler. And don’t try to turn it around and make it other people’s fault for your situation, you can’t blame conservatives for what you did. You had sex and you got pregnant. It’s too late, you already made your CHOICE. So if you want to kill somebody, kill the daddy who impregnated the mom, or kill the mom. The baby didn’t do anything wrong. If you decide nobody did anything wrong, then don’t kill anybody. Use your head. NO, THE OTHER HEAD!

By Wow

June 29, 2011 9:23 AM | Link to this

Who said anything about taxpayers paying for abortions? I don’t think tax money should pay for them, BUT I do think that if abortions become illegal there will be many more stories of unimaginable child abuse… more than there already are! I an sorry but I’d rather hear about abortions being legal than more microwaved babies! If all the unwanted/unhealthy pregnancies that end in abortion didn’t, imagine the amount of taxpayer money it’s going to cost to care for all of those children…

By Squirrellygirl

June 29, 2011 9:09 AM | Link to this

You say you want separation of church and state, and then in the same breath you want to make tax payers responsible for paying for abortions. That’s not separation, no. Call it what it is. Abortion is murder. It’s taking away the life of an unborn baby. Now that baby hasn’t done anything wrong to get the death sentence except for having wreckless parents. Who has the right to kill someone else, except for in self defense? You can’t even defend your position of making tax payers pay for abortions. And no, the children shouldn’t be taken from their parents if they are poor. Is this still America?

By Leslie

June 29, 2011 8:26 AM | Link to this

“I trust women, I trust women more than I trust the government to make decisions about their medical care,” said Rep. Connie Pillich, D-Montgomery. Typical Dem, supports Obamacare which the government WILL make decisions about all the peasants medical care. Democrats are working hard to protect foreskin and kill unborn children all in the name of freedom to chose to kill your unborn baby but no freedom to chose to loose your foreskin. No freedom to choose medical care of any kind except to kill your baby. Barney Frank, “I don’t care if people gamble on line, but be responsible for their own finances, NO.”

By Quentin0352

June 29, 2011 7:44 AM | Link to this

Ally, notice I had “etc” after your name? That was to point out others so if you made no comment about it, the I was addressing others in the debate on your end of things so no need to try and say I was putting words in your mouth. Also we already pay a lot in taxes just for gender based items for women with no equivilent for men. Look at things like the numerous Departments of Women’s Health at the federal and state level and Violence Against Women Act which ignore males in need of help. So how much in our taxes should go to just helping women and ignoring the other 48% of the population? You say you are for the various things too and I commend you if you are but have you ever stood up for those things? Heck, a good example of the difference in how our society treats men was about 2 years ago when Ohio ruled a 14-year old boy had to pay child support to his molestor. It was only in the Cleveland Plain Dealer though it was a state wide ruling on males who are victims of sex crimes and the implications of it. No outrage on the decision, the mother who is a convicted and admitted sex predator and lives with a male relative also convicted and admitting to sex crimes was also allowed to keep full custody though the boy’s parents wanted custody. No outrage on that, all these groups that claim to be for stopping sex predators were quiet on it and not a single group that would have been all over the news in outrage if the genders were reversed said a peep. Things like this are more common than people would believe or think and the courts have even ruled when a woman has drugged a boy or gotten him drunk, he is responsible. Kind of like how if a couple both go out, get equally intoxicated and have consentual sex, the next day for her it can be called rape because she was intoxicated and not able to provide legal consent but for him, well alcohol is no excuse. So for me the issue is very simple on abortion, since males have zero rights, then it should be the same for females, to include rape, incest and etc. After years of trying to get men any rights in the matter, it has become obvious to me that the only way we would ever see a change is if we hold women to an equal standard with equal RESPONSIBILITY as we hold males. Holding young boys more responsible for being molested and raped than holding women in their 30s for being sex predators is much more outragous than this bill being passed because we are saying women can not control their sexual urges and can not be held responsible for them.

By Daytonmike

June 29, 2011 7:13 AM | Link to this

…we need to build orphanages…create jobs…it will result in better educated kids that will have better lives…and ultimately put an end to welfare…if you are on public assistance and get pregnant, then that child must be given to an orphanage unless you get a job or off public assistance before it is born. If my taxes are going to pay for these kids, then I want to raise ‘my’ kids the way I see best for them. End the cycle once and for all!

By Jeanie

June 29, 2011 7:13 AM | Link to this

Another sad day in the state of Ohio. You’ve already taken away the rights of teachers, police officers etc etc to remove their collective bargaining rights, Kasich calls a police officer and idiot for doing his job…and now you take rights away from women to make decisions about their own bodies. Where is this separation of church and state that we are supposed to have? Why are the religious right being allowed to shove their beliefs down our throats? This state threw us back into the stone ages or before when they banned marriage rights for all…now this? goodlord….

By Daytonmike

June 29, 2011 7:13 AM | Link to this

…we need to build orphanages…create jobs…it will result in better educated kids that will have better lives…and ultimately put an end to welfare…if you are on public assistance and get pregnant, then that child must be given to an orphanage unless you get a job or off public assistance before it is born. If my taxes are going to pay for these kids, then I want to raise ‘my’ kids the way I see best for them. End the cycle once and for all!

By Jeanie

June 29, 2011 7:13 AM | Link to this

Another sad day in the state of Ohio. You’ve already taken away the rights of teachers, police officers etc etc to remove their collective bargaining rights, Kasich calls a police officer and idiot for doing his job…and now you take rights away from women to make decisions about their own bodies. Where is this separation of church and state that we are supposed to have? Why are the religious right being allowed to shove their beliefs down our throats? This state threw us back into the stone ages or before when they banned marriage rights for all…now this? goodlord….

By Daytonmike

June 29, 2011 7:13 AM | Link to this

…we need to build orphanages…create jobs…it will result in better educated kids that will have better lives…and ultimately put an end to welfare…if you are on public assistance and get pregnant, then that child must be given to an orphanage unless you get a job or off public assistance before it is born. If my taxes are going to pay for these kids, then I want to raise ‘my’ kids the way I see best for them. End the cycle once and for all!

By Ally

June 29, 2011 12:45 AM | Link to this

Quentin0352 : Please do not generalize and put words in my mouth, for your information, I DO NOT AGREE WITH CHILD SUPPORT. I believe that the father should be able to sign away his rights including financial support. I approve the invention of a male birth control pill. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. By saying people like Ally, you don’t know anything about me. And also, I did not say anything about Pro-Lifers must adopt children. I do believe that if you are pro-life and say all life should be respected, it should be ALL not just a fetus inside the uterus completely 100% dependent on the mother to live before 23-25 weeks. And yes, you should support your taxes being raised to cover maternity care and maternity leave since you insist that the woman carry to term.

By Quentin0352

June 28, 2011 11:50 PM | Link to this

I love seeing the arguments by those like Ally and etc. Notice they all talk about a woman’s rights, how unless the child is going to be adopted by those supporting the bill or that people are willing to pay the higher taxes, then it is obviously bad? Of course they neglect that many fathers are being jailed though they cvan’t find work while trying, ignore that men do not get even half as much in healthcare support as women and much more. But those are the same people who will scream about “equality” for women with men while yelling fathers are not important and men should not have a choice except what SHE wants and jail if he disagrees. Let he hypocrisy shine as it is being demonstrated constantly yet again by those who are casting that stone at others.

By Ally

June 28, 2011 10:50 PM | Link to this

Pro-Life proponents, congratulations, you got what you wanted if you’re in Ohio. Too bad that MY TAXDOLLARS will go to defend this horrible piece of legislation. You people should be taxed higher and receive the bill for the legal fees. 2nd of all, Start walking your talk. Call your representatives and senators and tell them that you’re not pleased that people don’t have a good quality of life once BORN due to lack of healthcare, lack of education, lack of food. I found it poignant that the Ohio Reps voted to “Respect Life in all it’s forms” and then when I got in the car with 2 of my friends to head back to my city, a woman came up asking for a sandwich. What’s the matter Pro-Lifers does that middle-aged woman’s life not matter? Should she have to be going hungry. Oh and the kicker of the day, after the abortion bills had passed, your “Pro-Life” reps, disrespected the life of the fetus and the woman by tabling an amendment that would gaurantee maternity care, which not all and certainly not most health insurance plans cover basically. If you people are really “Pro-Life” stop talking about not wanting your tax dollars to go to programs that go to the people you insist be born. Don’t call a women spending 40 hours a week searching for a job lazy, do something about it. If not, then just admit that you are Pro-Forced Birth.

By Ally

June 28, 2011 10:44 PM | Link to this

Pro-Life proponents, congratulations, you got what you wanted if you’re in Ohio. Too bad that MY TAXDOLLARS will go to defend this horrible piece of legislation. You people should be taxed higher and receive the bill for the legal fees. 2nd of all, Start walking your talk. Call your representatives and senators and tell them that you’re not pleased that people don’t have a good quality of life once BORN due to lack of healthcare, lack of education, lack of food. I found it poignant that the Ohio Reps voted to “Respect Life in all it’s forms” and then when I got in the car with 2 of my friends to head back to my city, a woman came up asking for a sandwich. What’s the matter Pro-Lifers does that middle-aged woman’s life not matter? Should she have to be going hungry. Oh and the kicker of the day, after the abortion bills had passed, your “Pro-Life” reps, disrespected the life of the fetus and the woman by tabling an amendment that would gaurantee maternity care, which not all and certainly not most health insurance plans cover basically. If you people are really “Pro-Life” stop talking about not wanting your tax dollars to go to programs that go to the people you insist be born. Don’t call a women spending 40 hours a week searching for a job lazy, do something about it. If not, then just admit that you are Pro-Forced Birth.

By Church Nuts for Jebus

June 28, 2011 9:26 PM | Link to this

Can’t wait to see the fake christians all line up to adopt the unwanted children. Those white conservatards just LOVE them black and hispanic babies! That’s why there are NO children waiting to be adopted today! Oh, wait! There are thousands of children waiting to be adopted RIGHT NOW! Where are the Jebus freaks for THESE KIDS??

By Libertarian Voter

June 28, 2011 9:15 PM | Link to this

Once again, the “get the gov’t out of my life” crowd shows they want to control our bodies, bedrooms and moral choices. Make birth-control cheaper and easily available and abortions would be even rarer. But the real story is it’s about SEX and religious MORALS. Freedom only if you want to be a so-called “christian” or any of the other invisible, ancient and zero proof “beliefs.” They are all the same, total BS.

By J

June 28, 2011 8:29 PM | Link to this

This will not stop a woman from having an abortion if she wants to have one.

By sherrylou

June 28, 2011 7:39 PM | Link to this

To hmm… Your post is hysterical! Unfortunately, it may not be that funny. I wouldn’t put it past our government in Ohio to actually try to make it illegal to be gay or to masturbate. Next, I will be forced to go to the church of their choice every Sunday.

By Donald

June 28, 2011 7:38 PM | Link to this

Its very comical to see the democrats, ACLU, NAACP and all other groups jump up and down and cry that the death penalty is unfair and racially and morally wrong BUT its ok to have an abortion. Whats the difference in one and not the other. MURDER IS STILL MURDER no matter how you label it…left wing fruit loops in my book..

By Quentin0352

June 28, 2011 6:36 PM | Link to this

@TKidding72, the idea of banning drug addicts was tried and the ACLU won saying it was against their rights to reproduce. They have now been trying to jail addicts until after they have the baby and also charging them after the birth and even during pregnancy with child abuse but so far that hasn’t been very effective since groups like the ACLU keep fighting those cases on the same grounds as a fetus being property and a woman’s right to choose on her own body. Same basic arguments used to support abortion are being used with great success in preventing anything close to what you proposed. In short, you can’t get involved in any way with a woman’s right to reproduce in any manner. I have even seen feminists and pro-abortion groups use the argument against male forms of the pill that were being tested as they were worried a male would lie to his partner and prevent her from becoming pregnant when she wanted to and that would be violating her right to reproduce. Of course the rights of fathers are totally null and void with them stating that for all intents and purposes that men should be sperm donors on demand who will provide financial support and only be allowed any contact with a child at the type, time and desires of the woman when you look at how these groups argue.

By Quentin0352

June 28, 2011 6:13 PM | Link to this

It is simple, since males have no rights to abort or even stop adoption in most cases, then women shouldn’t either. Either grant men a right to “abort” or women don’t get one either. And since Roe VS Wade was based on privacy rights, it shouldn’t fly since it has been repeatedly ruled males have no right to prevent invasion on their privacy in gathering DNA if a woman states he is the father so she shouldn’t have privacy either. Of course the very idea of men having reproductive rights instead of just responsibilities tends to get a lot of insults but I have yet to see someone argue with any logic and reason why we should continue the present system instead.

By REdditor

June 28, 2011 5:54 PM | Link to this

As annoying/terrifying/disgusting this bill is, it’s facially contrary to Roe v. Wade and its progeny. So we have little to worry about it actually being carried out.

By TKidding72

June 28, 2011 5:42 PM | Link to this

Why force women to have unwanted babies? Why not make it illegal for crackheads to have babies instead. I think that would do wonders for the health of our population.

By Wondering

June 28, 2011 5:33 PM | Link to this

Do all the “pro-life” people who oppose abortion also support universal health care?

By Aaron Engle

June 28, 2011 5:04 PM | Link to this

This is all great and wonderful and probably won’t fly for very long, but where are the jobs these idiots promised?

By Dave

June 28, 2011 4:52 PM | Link to this

I’m so glad they solved the jobs shortage before branching off into conservative social issues. After all, that was their platform, running for office….

By hmm

June 28, 2011 4:34 PM | Link to this

Soon, there will be a bill banning male masturbation - the killing of millions of innocent sperm. Government, particularly our right-wing, lobbyist driven, Ohio government should stay out of these matters. Soon it will be illegal to be gay, to fart in public, or to pick your nose while driving.

By #squirrellygirl

June 28, 2011 4:18 PM | Link to this

Squirrely, you would.

By Squirrellygirl

June 28, 2011 3:33 PM | Link to this

I hope it passes the Senate.