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Editorial: Ignore the propaganda; No on Issue 2
2009 ELECTIONS
Often when voters are confronted with a proposed constitutional amendment whose purpose isn’t obvious, they’re skeptical. They suspect something is up. That reflex is the right one when it comes to Issue 2 on your Nov. 3 ballot.
The proposal would create a Livestock Care Standards Board and give that group total authority over standards relating to the care of farm animals.
Why? Why do it at all, and why do it through a constitutional amendment?
Because agricultural interests in Ohio are scared to death
(NOTE: A misspelling in the headline of this post was corrected.)
that the Humane Society of the United States is going to come to Ohio voters next year and with a proposal to restrict the use of cages, specifically to prohibit farmers from keeping egg-laying hens, veal calves and pigs in tiny crates and pens.
If this year’s amendment passes, it would trump any future law on livestock care and complicate the Humane Society’s job.
Agri-business then would argue: Let the experts decide what are good farming practices. Voters just approved creating a panel to make these decisions. Let them do their job.
A couple of big points:
But agri-business shouldn’t get this sort of constitutional protection. Chances are good that the board would be dominated by farming interests and could become a rubber stamp for corporate farms especially.
The democratically elected legislature and the agriculture department shouldn’t be shut out.
Also, the way this amendment proposal was put forward smells. The idea of putting it on the ballot was rammed through the legislature in a matter of days. If the Ohio Farm Bureau and poultry and livestock associations are as dedicated to transparency and public accountability as they say they are, there was no need for the secrecy or the rush.
The Ohio Farm Bureau’s Jack Fisher wants to make this a campaign about extremists trying to impose their vegan ways on others. Speaking of the Humane Society, he has written, “They want no pet ownership, no circus acts, no biomedical research. And no meat, milk or eggs.”
Jeff Wuebker, the co-owner of a farm in Versailles, says he worries that if the Humane Society’s views on confining farm animals prevail, his sows will be hurt and even killed, because cages protect powerfully aggressive animals from each other.
He also complains that his cost of doing business will increase significantly. He says farmers can be trusted to do the right thing. They have every reason to want what’s best for their animals and their customers.
The other side — the Humane Society’s Paul Shapiro, specifically — says research shows that certain farming practices are not just inhumane for the animals, but dangerous to the food supply.
With arguments like this, you can picture the television commercials that will be coming your way as the election nears.
Turn off the propaganda — from both sides.
The issue voters have to decide is not whether livestock cages are good or bad, not whether farmers or the Humane Society are better Americans, not whether your bacon and eggs are going to cost more or make you sick.
The question is much less complicated:
Should Ohio have a board, set in the constitution, to decide agriculture policy, thereby insulating some decisions from the give-and-take that is required on other big and small public policy issues?
Sometimes the creation of a board is necessary, but this one’s power would be too sweeping. Moreover, no need for change has been demonstrated. After all these years without a special board, it’s a good bet the state can continue without one.
Vote no on Issue 2.
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Comments
By Jim
October 1, 2009 9:13 AM | Link to this
If you look at the Humane Society’s website, they pretend that animals are just furry/feathered people, which they A’INT. Wackos, just like PETA.
By Harvey
October 1, 2009 10:05 AM | Link to this
Just shows what a worthless fishwrap this paper is when the editorial board can’t spell “propaganda” correctly!
By kitty
October 1, 2009 10:17 AM | Link to this
Harvey, you can spell! If only you could care about animals. They really do deserve care and respect.
By Jim
October 1, 2009 10:33 AM | Link to this
I trust a farmer over a vegan any day. Do remember that the 20th century’s most prominent vegetarian was Adolph Hitler.
By Alice
October 1, 2009 11:21 AM | Link to this
What is with people’s obsession with bringing up Hitler every time they don’t agree with something??? Thanks for the info. I picked up a pamphlet about this at a recent festival and wanted more info about it. I support responsible farming, but I am always skeptical about the motivations of special interest groups and I hate that most people have only a pamphlet and a virus email to use as a source of information.
By Ben
October 1, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this
I think I’ll just go with my instincts on this one - we don’t need any additional governmental interference with our day to day business operations - especially as a constitutional ammendment.
By Jeff
October 1, 2009 1:23 PM | Link to this
Why do these groups keep trying to change our constitution? Smoking, gambling, now cows? These are not things that should be written into our state’s highest governing document. I also don’t agree that animal rights wacko groups should be able to tell farmers how to raise their livestock, but there has to be a better way than amending the constitution.
By Rob
October 1, 2009 2:55 PM | Link to this
Ah, Vegetarian, the old Cherokee word for “Poor Hunter”
By Mandy
October 1, 2009 3:40 PM | Link to this
This is not a big agri-business run Issue. It is farmers of all sizes working together because of the concered of the multi-million dollar agenda of the Humane Society of the United States.Who’s real goal is a vegetarian diet for all Ohioan.Support your local farmer VOTE YES ON ISSUE 2
By alt
October 1, 2009 4:12 PM | Link to this
I am voting Yes to State Issue 2. Do we go to the doctor and tell him we know more about medicine than they do? No! Then why let outside interests groups decide the fate of agriculture in the state of Ohio. Do people realize that this issue is more than just about the care of animals? It is about the effects on the economy, your right to choose,and the number one concern is about the care of animals. Having a livestock care board is a proactive approach to the situation not a reactive step. HUSUS wanted reform, so all of the commodity and livestock groups came together and decided to create this board for Ohio by Ohio. HUSUS still wasn’t happy. Ask California, they passed proposition 2 out there and asked Husus to come to the table to decide how to confine animals and the HUSUS response was that there is no good way to confine animals. Should they all just run free ?I will leave my trust with our local farmers and professionals in the field. Agriculture as a whole generates over 90 billion dollars into the states economy, producing over 900,000 jobs or one in every seven jobs for this state. The Constitution is the right place for the animal care standards board allowing Ohioans the right to protect animals from a professional stand point,a science based approach and to also protect the economy of our state. Kudos to State Issue 2
By Jim
October 1, 2009 4:15 PM | Link to this
As with the smoking issue, I have a real problem with the government telling any business owner how to run his business. Plus the PETA wackos make me cringe.
By Gary Steele
October 1, 2009 7:00 PM | Link to this
I am fed up with the constitution of the state being used as a tool of any special interest group. Citizens vote on an amendment they don’t understand, having no idea what consequences may arise, based on language meant to elicit a vote one way or another. I watched a citizen diligently reading the language of one such amendment recently. After 20 minutes they still hadn’t decided because only Harvard lawyer had a chance at making any sense of the language. That is what the people that place legislation on the ballot count on. The naivite of the citizenry. Should the voting population take it upon themselves to be informed? Of course, but we do not. We are not alone. It happens in every state. Are we better off because we now have term limited legislators? It may have been the boy’s club in years gone by, but now it is take the money and run. Enough.
By Ben
October 1, 2009 7:35 PM | Link to this
I have a standing rule: If I can’t understand it, can’t support.
By rmb
October 1, 2009 9:24 PM | Link to this
Does the current Dayton Daily News/Cox News Service ever support Agriculture? A Butler County Farmer, Ohio Govenor James M. Cox, once owned and edited the Dayton Daily News. You would never know that today by the one-sided views that this news service now provides to us. Someday people are going to wake up and wonder where their next meal is coming from! Support Issue 2 and the farmers in Ohio.
By Mike
October 1, 2009 10:12 PM | Link to this
As an Ohio Farmer that owns 30 cows I support of Issue 2. Currently theres no statewide regulations for animal welfare standards, currently farmers in different counties across Ohio must conform to the current standards that are required in the county that they operate. What this board will do is allow all voices to be heard and create new statewide welfare standards, it has been proposed by farmers and farm groups because Ohio citizens are concerned about how their food is raised. I am a strong supporter of my local humane society, wich is not affiliated with HSUS, they do a good job making sure animal welfare standards are upheld. They are also in support of Issue 2, as it will give them better guidlines 2 follow in animal cruelty cases Issue 2 not only effects me as a livestock owner. Most of the crops I grow are also fed to Ohio’s livestock and without livestock I have no market for my crops. just like everybody else I have to buy food, Issue 2 will provide a method to make sure that our food is raised in an affordable and humane way. Vote Yes On 2 for Ohios economy, food, and farmers!
By Susan
October 1, 2009 10:59 PM | Link to this
Agriculture is an important part of Ohio’s economy and Issue 2 will help keep it strong. Failure to pass Issue 2 will have significant impact on an already fragile economy. As someone who is allergic to most of the common antibiotics, I can’t risk a food-borne illness. Issue 2 will establish guidelines to keep our food safe. Vote Yes on Issue 2 for safe food and a sound economy
By Philman
October 2, 2009 6:28 AM | Link to this
Go to the humane society and try to adopt a long haired dog and tell them it will live outside, they would rather put it back in a little cage or kill it, because the say living outside has been bred out of them, even st. bernards, they refused me a dog, even though I have a walk out basement with a doggie door.they are CRAZY.
By Jon
October 2, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this
It’s sbout time people wake up!! Our Food don’t come from Wal-mart or a Krogers.It comes from a local farm. It’s pretty obvious that this Dayton Daily news editior doesn’t know where there food comes from! Ohio farmers raise some of the best food in the whole nation right here at home. As Americans we want to preserve our food supply & know were it comes from. That’s the reason why we have a chance to vote on issue 2. To continue to recieve the best food in America I URGE you to VOTE YES ON ISSUE 2!!! Farmers are professionals at what they do, I’m sure they know whats right !! We need issue 2 in the State Of OHIO. IF YOU ENJOYED A GOOD MEAL TODAY THEN THANK A FARMER!!!! VOTE YES ON ISSUE 2!!!!!
By davidss2
October 2, 2009 10:04 AM | Link to this
I vote for Issue 2. I’ve watched too many of the liberal PETA types come in with their pet projects and disrupt a perfectly good working system.
By Jill
October 2, 2009 10:59 AM | Link to this
Agriculture is feeding our country, and Issue 2 will help continue this. Farmers are working hard to create a safe, affordable and abundant food supply for all and a failure to pass Issue 2 will endanger this ability. Do we want other countries to supply our food, who do not have the same health standards? I think not, VOTE YES ON ISSUE 2!
By MnM
October 2, 2009 12:37 PM | Link to this
This is good. The DDN Ed. are suddenly concerned about “transparency”, “public accountability”, too much “secrecy” and an a powerful government board … when it pertains to ANIMALS. They have no concerns for PEOPLE when it comes to Obama’s and the leftwing’s actions to ram very bad health care reform down our throats. Where are the same complaints about transparency, secrecy, and powerful boards? Oh yeah, DDN Ed. too busy kissing Obama’s a$$ and only come up for air for a PC-version of outrage.
By Jen
October 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Link to this
Many argue that Issue 2 has no place in the Constitution. As an Ohio Citizen who eats food every day, several times a day, I believe it is an important issue that affects every Ohioan and we deserve to have control over how our food is produced. Why would we want out of state animal rights extremists dictating how our food is made? I support Ohio Farmers and I support Issue 2.
By Jen
October 2, 2009 1:25 PM | Link to this
Many argue that Issue 2 has no place in the Constitution. As an Ohio Citizen who eats food every day, several times a day, I believe it is an important issue that affects every Ohioan and we deserve to have control over how our food is produced. Why would we want out of state animal rights extremists dictating how our food is made? I support Ohio Farmers and I support Issue 2.
By Jen
October 2, 2009 1:26 PM | Link to this
Many argue that Issue 2 has no place in the Constitution. As an Ohio Citizen who eats food every day, several times a day, I believe it is an important issue that affects every Ohioan and we deserve to have control over how our food is produced. Why would we want out of state animal rights extremists dictating how our food is made? I support Ohio Farmers and I support Issue 2.
By Karen Michael
October 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Link to this
Thanks to the Dayton Daily News and Ellen Belcher for opposing Issue 2. As a volunteer I was actively involved in the 2006 Arizona grassroots ballot initiative that banned the cruel confinement of pregnant pigs and calves raised for veal. Large agri-business lobbyists ran a disingenuous campaign which voters rejected by a landslide margin. As illustrated in the Ohio campaign, the industrial agriculture lobby continues its tired rhetoric even as states throughout the country pass laws that improve care of farm animals. Large agri-business refuses to acknowledge that the public cares about how farm animals are treated. Despite all the arguments from agriculture lobbyists, Ohio citizens will no doubt vote with their conscience and reject Issue 2.
By mutt
October 2, 2009 4:13 PM | Link to this
through out the years I have learned that if the DDN is for something it is no good and vice-versa. I am voting yes
By Tim
October 2, 2009 5:02 PM | Link to this
Question to the editor(s)of the issue 2 opinion. If a group promise to get a proposal on the Ohio Ballot that would greatly change the way you are allow to write opinions and articules for your newspaper,under the pretense of giving the readers a better newspaper.What reaction would we hear and see from the DDN? Could you give us a better solution to the issue of livestock care?
By ILikeMeat
October 2, 2009 5:55 PM | Link to this
What most people in OH don’t understand is that HSUS is busy creating their OWN legislation in other states. Pushing through anti-farming legislation and causing farms to cease completely. Colorado, California, Michigan… all have become ANTI-farm ANTI-agricultural states. What is wrong with people understanding that we NEED to maintain our own food supply. Once it’s all gone (from the U.S.) we’re dependent on all other countries to supply our food. HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Phil
October 2, 2009 7:02 PM | Link to this
People who care about ethical treatment of animals are wackos? And what does that make you? The other wackos.
By Phil
October 2, 2009 7:03 PM | Link to this
People who care about ethical treatment of animals are wackos? And what does that make you? - The other wackos. I’m voting YES.
By Phil
October 2, 2009 7:04 PM | Link to this
People who care about ethical treatment of animals are wackos? And what does that make you? - The other wackos. There is no debate when it comes to being humane. Vote YES.
By A Farmer's Daughter
October 2, 2009 7:27 PM | Link to this
I bet the writer of this editorial has never been on a farm in his life (probably couldn’t find his way out of the Dayton area); otherwise he would realize how smart farmers are! My father and brother work their finger’s to the bone just to make sure the animals are well cared for. Don’t fall prey to this horrible editorial protect Ohio’s largest asset…Agriculture..Vote Yes on ISSUE 2!!!!
By Brad Headtel
October 2, 2009 11:23 PM | Link to this
Ohio could become the first state to have corporate agribusiness acting as judge, jury and executioner for all animal agriculture rules and regulations. Who do you think their rules will favor? Safe, local, sustainable agriculture, or the more than 200 factory farms already in the state? We’re hoping not to find out. That’s why Food & Water Watch is working on behalf of our 5,000 Ohio supporters to Oppose Issue 2. Can you help us defeat Issue 2 in Ohio? In the most ambitious power grab we’ve ever seen, corporate agribusiness proponents are trying to write themselves into the Ohio constitution. Technically the product of the Ohio General Assembly, the ballot issue is heavily backed by groups representing major agribusiness interests, including the Ohio Farm Bureau, the Ohio Pork Producers Council, and the Ohio Cattlemen’s Association. While masquerading as an attempt to improve food safety and animal welfare, Issue 2 would give a board of political appointees unchecked power to decide any and all regulations related to animal agriculture. The board could make decisions that would radically shift policy in any direction and would not require any public input process. This could include decisions on issues like the use of antibiotics and growth hormones, genetically engineered animals, cloned animals, animal ID and traceability, and factory farm zoning reguations. The proponents of Issue 2 literally will be the foxes guarding the henhouse if Issue 2 passes, and they’re running a multi-million dollar campaign to make sure this happens. Worse yet, their slick campaign tries to trick voters into thinking that Issue 2 will support safe, local food from small farmers. We need you to help us get the truth out about Issue 2 and stop this greedy power grab in the Ohio Constitution. Help us spread the word about Issue 2 and Vote NO on November 3rd! Thanks for taking action, Sarah Alexander, Senior Organizer Food & Water Watch goodfood(at)fwwatch.org
By alt
October 3, 2009 6:07 AM | Link to this
I hope readers actually take the time to find out who fooodwatch.org (another outside interest group)is and refer back to my prevoius article on what issue two is really about. Their webpage (fwwatch.org) says it all and I think they loose all credability when their homepage still claims that hogs caused the H1N1 virus.I urge all voters to visit www.livestockcare.com to find the true answers to the vote yes on issue 2 campaign and look at the whole list of supporters all from Ohio. Again this issue is not about large farms verses small farms, its about food safety,a locally grown food supply, bringing in experts to make decisions on animal care and food production and to reinforce consumer confidence in Ohio raised food. We need to maintain the viability of Ohio agriculture as the number one economic driver in this state and sustain Ohio’s family farms for generation to come.
By Tim
October 3, 2009 8:25 AM | Link to this
I work as a consultant advising farmers the best mangement practice for crop production.Many of my clients also care for livestock.I would offer any of “Brad Headtel’s”of the world to come visit a livestock operation and see first hand how livestock care actual happens. Most of the corparate farms you negatively refer to are family own farms.They are 2 and 3 generations of owners working together to continue the hertige of the “Family Farm”
By truthdoctor
October 3, 2009 8:27 AM | Link to this
We all can agree it is right to properly care for our animals. However, not in the Ohio Constitution. This is not a Government issue. This is a regulatory issue and our elected representatives should just do their jobs and that is by statute or regulations not altering the constitution. That way the democratic process of getting public input, debate and changing the laws later if needed. I can’t imagine any farmer agreeing to more government regulation. Our representatives are ducking their responsibility!
By truthdoctor
October 3, 2009 8:34 AM | Link to this
We all can agree animals should be properly cared for just not in our Ohio Constitution! This is not a government issue. It is a regulatory issue and our representatives should just do their jobs through statutes or regulations. I can’t imagine any farmer wanting more government regulations. Our state representatives are ducking their responsibility!
By Jon
October 3, 2009 8:53 AM | Link to this
Dear Brad Headtel, , I am a small family farmer from Darke County, I've read your e-mail about issue 2. There is a reason why there are farming practices being done the way they are. For inistance, a Chicken in a cage. The chicken is in a cage to keep our egg clean so there are no food diseases. HSUS wants farmers to let the chickens roam free where a chicken would lay their egg in chicken manure. So, would you rather eat a egg that is laying in poop or an egg in a clean cage. Also you talked about pregnant sows. Farmers use farrowing crates to keep the sows from laying on their young or killing them. There are many reasons why these practices are being used to protect the food we eats, as well as, providing for the animals well-being. I would be glad to explain anything else dealing with agriculture. Just remember don't take the food you eat for granted because there was a farmer that worked very hard to make our food safe & healthy. Also you need to reconsider your decision on issue 2. Farmers are professionals at what they do and they want to manitain excellent care for Ohio livestock and poultry while making sure you get safe locally grown food at a reasonable price. Issue 2 will protect our Ohio's #1 economic contributor, agriculture, which provides $93 billion and 924,000 jobs to the state of Ohio. I urge you to vote yes on issue 2!!!
By John
October 3, 2009 8:55 AM | Link to this
Dear Brad Headtel, , I am a small family farmer from Darke County, I've read your e-mail about issue 2. There is a reason why there are farming practices being done the way they are. For inistance, a Chicken in a cage. The chicken is in a cage to keep our egg clean so there are no food diseases. HSUS wants farmers to let the chickens roam free where a chicken would lay their egg in chicken manure. So, would you rather eat a egg that is laying in poop or an egg in a clean cage. Also you talked about pregnant sows. Farmers use farrowing crates to keep the sows from laying on their young or killing them. There are many reasons why these practices are being used to protect the food we eats, as well as, providing for the animals well-being. I would be glad to explain anything else dealing with agriculture. Just remember don't take the food you eat for granted because there was a farmer that worked very hard to make our food safe & healthy. Also you need to reconsider your decision on issue 2. Farmers are professionals at what they do and they want to manitain excellent care for Ohio livestock and poultry while making sure you get safe locally grown food at a reasonable price. Issue 2 will protect our Ohio's #1 economic contributor, agriculture, which provides $93 billion and 924,000 jobs to the state of Ohio. I urge you to vote yes on issue 2!!!
By Todd
October 3, 2009 9:51 AM | Link to this
We enjoy the best and cheapest food in the world. If we would like to keep it that way, we not interfere with the people who produce this. Thanks Farmers! Vote yes issue 2!
By Michael
October 3, 2009 11:36 AM | Link to this
I get a magazine every month from the Ohio Farm bureau called “Our Ohio” I encourage everyone to look it up online and see who it is that Ohio Farm Bureau actually represents, its not only large farmers but all farmers. They put a large part of their resources into efforts like Our Ohio to encourage buying local, farmers markets, and sustainability. dont bee fooled by DC interests like the food and water special interest group, get the facts!
By Proverbs 12:10
October 3, 2009 11:38 AM | Link to this
As a Christian animal welfare activist I don’t believe He made His animals to have to live their lives in boxes. He gave them legs and wings for a reason. In Proverbs 12:10 God tells us that a righteous man CARES for the LIFE of his animal. That doesn’t mean we cannot kill them, but it DOES mean we are not to cause them to suffer during their time on earth. I, for one, will forever honor God’s request. I hope you all will do the same.
By dont play that card
October 3, 2009 12:08 PM | Link to this
I go to church with several god fearing farmers who raise livestock. I agree that some changes need to be made in how we raise livestock, there is currently no system in place to do that, thats what this board will provide. Genesis 1:27 So God created man ain His own image; in the image of God He created him; bmale and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, c“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and dsubdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that 8moves on the earth.”
By Rita
October 3, 2009 1:27 PM | Link to this
If you lived by a FACTORY FARM you would understand. I have great respect for the FAMILY FARM but the factory farms are putting the family farms out of business. You can call me a wacko, a terrorist or what ever you called these other people but that cheap meat that comes from a factory farm is not a good thing to eat. Do your antibiotics work when you get sick or does your children go through puberty at the age of 9 or 10? That’s because the cheap stuff you eat is full of antibiotics and hormones. Educate yourselves people. You don’t have to be a vegan or vegetarian and no one is going to take your meat away from you. Family farms would probably be a better quality of food. It’s your health not mine. Do some research and don’t use the Farm Bureau as your Bible. They paint all of these pictures of cows and pigs out in the fields grazing and the chickens pecking at the ground but they are dead wrong. They are the ones who cram all of those animals in the small places and never see the light of day. The Farm Bureau has more money and power than HSUS or PETA could ever have. I know i’m only touching on points here but you have to have some knowledge about everything when it comes to issue 2 and I am voting NO on ISSUE 2 and you might if you research some of the things I have written. I live in Darke County and can’t say i’m to proud of some of the people here!
By Renie
October 3, 2009 2:23 PM | Link to this
First of all, the editor of this article should get out of the city and head to the country to get some of their facts, that is MY OPINION! No one should have the right to tell farmers how to do their business. As for HSUS and Peta, and other groups, for once stop being such fanatical lunatics!! Leave the farmers to do what they do, work their butts off so that we can put food on our tables. Thank you farmers!! I am voting YES!!!
By Renie
October 3, 2009 2:24 PM | Link to this
First of all, the editor of this article should get out of the city and head to the country to get some of their facts, that is MY OPINION! No one should have the right to tell farmers how to do their business. As for HSUS and Peta, and other groups, for once stop being such fanatical lunatics!! Leave the farmers to do what they do, work their butts off so that we can put food on our tables. Thank you farmers!! I am voting YES!!!
By john deere girl
October 3, 2009 10:36 PM | Link to this
The HSUS IS NOT a real “humane society”. They are nothing like your local humane agency or animal shelter. They do not operate rescues. They are a sick group of so-called animal rights activists, much like PETA, only with more money and more influential. Your family eats because of what Ohio Farmers put in our stores and on our plates. The Ohio Farm Bureau helps both small and large family farms alike. I know, because I own and operate a family farm. HSUS not only wants to police how farmers keep cattle, chicken and pigs - they also set out to keep farmers from getting routine and veterinary care for their animals, such as floating horse’s teeth and shoeing,which they consider “inhumane”. Please, help keep local, safe food on our tables and our choices our own - VOTE YES FOR ISSUE 2!
By Steph
October 4, 2009 4:20 AM | Link to this
What constitutes a “factory farm”? In your mind? 98% of farms in Ohio are FAMILY OWNED and OPERATED! That means that some of these so called “factory farms” are really large FAMILY FARMS. Vote YES on Issue 2! We need change in how we deal with Animal Welfare issues!
By mv72
October 4, 2009 9:00 AM | Link to this
To all you farmers out there who are supposedly running small family farms-why is OEFFA (ohio ecological food and farm association) against Issue 2?? They sure aren’t “wackos” who want you to stop eating meat.
By Suzanne
October 4, 2009 10:13 AM | Link to this
It is important to understand core beliefs and motives behind these two groups. Farmers are interested in providing you with safe meat, eggs and dairy products on your table at a fair price. Next, read from the HSUS website policy, Statement on Farm Animals & Eating with Conscious: “… promotes eating with conscience and embracing the Three Rs—reducing the consumption of meat and other animal-based foods; refining the diet by eating products only from animals who have been raised, transported, and slaughtered in a system of humane, sustainable agriculture that does not abuse the animals; and replacing meat and other animal-based foods in the diet with plant-based foods.” Clearly an interest in taking meat and animal products off your table and turning you into a vegan. The statement on animal treatment tucked in the middle is just a means to an end. I view the HSUS as a wolf in sheeps clothing. How does it make sense to entrust this food supply to those that would like it to extinguish it? Doesn’t it make sense to entrust it to those who are there to provide you this choice? This issue is for that purpose and an alternate choice to the Humane Society forcing there extreme agenda on you. I encourage you to Vote Yes on Issue 2. I grew up on a swine production farm where the practice was to farrow in the field. It was not without its challenges. This method resulted in many, many pigs being squashed to death as the sow laid on them. This is the natural way and crates prevent this cruel but natural event. Everything the farmer does is for a reason and cruelty is not one of them.
By mv72
October 4, 2009 1:32 PM | Link to this
To Jim I would like to say: Mentioning Hitler was a vegetarian is like saying Jeffrey Daumer was a meat eater. It is completely idiotic. Albert Einstein was a vegetarian and so was Gandhi. I myself am not a vegetarian however, I only buy my meat from local Ohio farmers who raise their animals on pasture and not some confined unnatural method. If you think HSUS is going to tell you what to do, would you rather have the big foods like ConAgra and Cargill tell you so? Once again, to all those people who are pro issue 2, can someone please read what OEFFA.org has to say and tell me how these farmers are wrong? I really want to know. I also want to know why the farmers I talked to at the North Market farmer’s market were opposed to Issue 2. Perhaps someone can shed some light on this for me. Thanks!
By jb
October 4, 2009 1:59 PM | Link to this
Dear mv72, I would rather have cargill tell me how to raise my livestock than some outside interest group that don’t know a thing about agriculture. Cargill would support issue 2!They understand why farmers use the practices that they use.All you have to do is go to HSUS’s web site and that will tell you what they want to happen to the state of Ohio livestock. There answer is remove livestock completely!In other words take the food off your plate!!!There’s to many people take there food for granted. I would be honered to give you a tour of my Family Farming Operation any day of the week!You could bring as many people as you want.You also mentioned oeffa.org. I’ve never heard of this organization. They evidently must be a very small organization that don’t understand were there safe a abundant food supply comes from. I urge you to vote yes on issue 2. I be glad to talk to you!!
By Mike
October 4, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this
mv72, I am not sure excactly why OEFFA is opposed to issue 2, I do know that their core belief is that agriculture should not come at an expense to the environment. Problem with this is everything we do impacts the environment, starting with the simple act of plowing.What some groups fail to realize is that their are several ways to farm sustainable, but not all the ways include a plan to feed almost 7 billion people on this earth. Any good farmer, small or large is concerned about their impact on the environment! If we harm out soil or livestock we put ourselves out of business. I am currently the 5th of 6 generations on my families farm, and I will not operate in a way that will keep my grandchildren or their grandchildren from farming this ground some day. That is why I am voting for issue 2, for our future!
By FFON
October 5, 2009 6:55 AM | Link to this
I am a member of Farm Bureau and would like to Thank Rita for her comments. OFBF does have 234,000 members throughout the state of Ohio but their operating budget comes no where close to HSUS/PETA. If you could please provide me with the proof of both organizations operating budgets, I would love to see that. Farm Bureau serves members of all types. I am a small goat farmers and I appreciate someone fighting (like OFBF) for my rights to have my small family farm. I believe it is best to address factual information when blaming. Maybe you should follow your own advise to do the research. ISSUE 2 is supported by many farm organizations and even the Ohio Second Harvest FOOD bank who realizes the importance of the large community farms in OHIO!
By daveb
October 5, 2009 9:25 AM | Link to this
I am from a small farm and if other small farmers think That the Ohio Farm Bureau is on their side, they should think again. Some of their positions on the issues.. unlimited illegal imimgration and no minimum wage for farm laborers… elimation of the estate tax which only affects large estates, yet they favor regressive property tax increases. They are on the side of corporate interests.
By yesfor2
October 5, 2009 12:01 PM | Link to this
I grew up on a dairy farm and married into a swine farm. The dairy farm, at that time, was larger than most because it supported two families plus my grandmother. The swine farm that I live on now is differenent than it was when my husband was a child. The income from it only needed to support one family. As family members choose to stay and be farmers as their occupation, the farm needed to grow in order to support all of the family members. Some may classify our farm as a ‘factory farm’ due to its size. Our family farm now is the income for 7 families. Some may ask why we do not raise the pigs from birth to market on our farm. Like many other businesses that have smaller factories to produce all of the parts it needs, we have found that by limiting what we do, enables us to become better at what we do. We work jointly with other family farms to produce the best product possible. I am urging each of you to vote yes on Issue 2 to ensure that our family farms can keep operating and not adding to the unemployment problem that our state is facing.
By Ben
October 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Link to this
truthdoctor has it correct. If the industry needs regulation it should come from our state legislators - lobby them to do their jobs!! A constitutional ammendment for this type of activity is way out of line in my opinion. I’m opposed to this issue because it’s an unneccessary constitutional ammendment, not because of it’s content.
By mv72
October 5, 2009 12:17 PM | Link to this
After reading and researching this subject and listening to everyone’s comments, I am voting NO on issue 2. The last thing we need is a board who will eventually be swayed by lobbyists and special interest groups and frankly, I don’t see how this is securing our future.
By barbara
October 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Link to this
if the future of ohio livestock owners depends on whether or not this board is created, as one would think based on most of these comments, then we’re in big trouble. A vote for is for farmers, a vote against is for vegans? please. i’m not a farmer, i’m not an HSUS wacko, and i’m not in favor of Issue 2. with all the lessons learned from other industries lately, I can’t support special interests overseeing their own special interests as being good for anyone, including these they are theoretically ‘taking care of’… to you farmers, I think we ohioans - your customers - should have an opportunity to hear all sides and have some input into how our food is produced. And if HSUS is the only voice out there, well, i’m just sayin.. no matter what gets legislated, if the market is leaning toward cage-free hens and such, i suggest you see what’s coming and adapt or educate folks differently, or get left behind…
By Mary
October 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Link to this
I grew up on a farm - we wanted the best for our animals. If the farmers want this, trust them - they supply your food, and now are asking for your help!
By Cindy
October 5, 2009 1:57 PM | Link to this
I am voting yes to issue 2! As a veterinary technician for over 20 years I have seen many trends come and go in the livestock industry. Having a state board which would oversee the well being of the animals to help provide not only humane confinement but standards of care it would improve the quality of life for all livestock in the state of Ohio. HSUS would love for all animals to run free and not be confined and unless we want the price of meat, eggs and milk to double, triple or more, livestock has to be confined. So on November 3, vote yes on issue 2.
By Cindy
October 5, 2009 2:12 PM | Link to this
I am voting yes to issue 2! As a veterinary technician for over 20 years I have seen many trends come and go in the livestock industry. Having a state board which would oversee the well being of the animals to help provide not only humane confinement but standards of care it would improve the quality of life for all livestock in the state of Ohio. HSUS would love for all animals to run free and not be confined and unless we want the price of meat, eggs and milk to double, triple or more, livestock has to be confined. So on November 3, vote yes on issue 2.
By Lynette
October 5, 2009 5:36 PM | Link to this
Issue 2 was created for damage control. If the Issue is not passed, it will enable groups like PETA and Washington based HSUS to have easier access in changing how Ohio eats along with putting farmers out of business. I have seen hogs in a group fight to the death especially if one hog is lame. I have also seen a sow that is unpinned, eat her young and crush the remaining litter by laying on them. That is why they are called animals and we are called humans. This equates to less meat available for consumers. Do the math. Less meat vs. increased population = unaffordable pork roasts, chops, etc. That goes for all meats. This would please PETA as their ultimate goal is to turn everyone into vegetarians. We all know there are some farmers whose livestock care is below acceptable. By voting YES on Issue 2, two things will be accomplished. The farmers who do indeed abuse livestock will either have to change or quit. But the rest of us farmers who practice good livestock care will be able to continue providing the public the cost effective, healthy meats. Second,it will assist in keeping outside radical groups from dictating how Americans should eat. Farming is not just a way of life for us, it is a life of choice. Please don’t cut off the hand that feeds you, vote YES on Issue 2.
By Rita
October 5, 2009 7:30 PM | Link to this
You know what? I am voting NO because if you YES people who are up the Farm Bureau’s A$$ can go ahead and be the uneducated idiots who don’t take the time to know that what you call “special interest groups” aren’t going to turn you into anything you don’t already want to be!!!! Get a life people. I’m sick of your stupidity and not having enough of a brain to open it up a little.
By Yesfor2
October 5, 2009 8:18 PM | Link to this
Did you know? The Board created by Issue 2 will bring a wide range of the best Ohio expertise available to establish rules for care of livestock and poultry. These will include experts in animal care, food safety, farm management, veterinary care, academia, humane society operations and consumer interest. The Board will be required to consider food safety, animal health and mortality, biosecurity (control diseases), consumer concerns and good farm practices in setting animal care rules.
By AnotherYesfor2
October 5, 2009 8:32 PM | Link to this
The Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) should not be confused with local animal shelters that take in puppies and kittens and place animals for adoption. In fact, HSUS operates no pet shelters or adoption facilities anywhere in the US and contributes less than four percent of its substantial budget to organizations that operate dog and cate shelters. The not-for-profit HSUS is the largest and richest animal rights lobbying organiztion in the world. Headquartered not in a farm area, but in Watshington DC, it had an operating budget of $91.5 million in 2007 and net assets exceeding $200 million. The HSUS factory farming home page directly advocates for veganism, underscoring that the organization’s true agenda in its legistlative efforts is to end all meat consumption and all all consumption of eggs, milk, cheese and other animal products. Paul Shapiro, manager of HSUS’ factory farming campaign, told a 2004 National Student Animal Rights Conference that ‘nothing is more important than promoting veganism.’ While HSUS will not be able to convince me, nor my family, to be vegans, I am able to make my own educated decision that I do not want HSUS writing laws for Ohio like they did in other states such as California.
By changedmyvotetoYES
October 5, 2009 9:02 PM | Link to this
After doing some research, I have switched my vote to YES for Issue 2. This Issue is supported by both sides of the Ohio General Assembly. 924,000 jobs are results of Ohio being a top agricultural state, which is 1 out of every 7 jobs in the state. In comparison to other states, Ohio is 1st in Swiss chees produetion, 2nd in table egg production, 7th in winter wheat, 7th in soybeans, 8th in corn for grain, 9th in swine production, 10th in sheep and lamb production, 10th in turkey production, and 11th in milk production. Ohio is a great state in the field of agriculture. Why not support the agriculture industry? Vote YES on Issue 2.
By Stacy
October 6, 2009 2:28 PM | Link to this
As both a grain and livestock farmer in Miami County, I feel very strongly about VOTING YES ON ISSUE 2!! Those in opposition to issue 2 should really think twice about their feelings… the Ohio farmer works hard year round to provide Ohioans with SAFE and AFFORDABLE, locally grown food. Opposers are quick to bring up these terrible cages animals are kept in….how about all of the dogs that are sent to the kennel when people go on vacation? Or what about those who leave their pets in a small crate in the house while they go to work all day? There are good reasons why farm animals are kept the way they are, for instance, gestation crates for pigs are simply designed to keep mother pigs from laying on their babies. I 100% support Issue 2 and encourage you to VOTE YES on November 3rd!
By Hillary
October 6, 2009 2:46 PM | Link to this
The HSUS supports modest reforms in the way that farm animals are housed. Specifically, we believe farm animals should have the ability to stand up, turn around, and stretch their limbs. Issue 2 favors large factory farms and calls for a board that would wield a huge amount of power with very little accountability. Vote NO on Issue 2.
By skeets
October 6, 2009 3:02 PM | Link to this
At the core of this whole argument is the decision over who gets “to decide”. Voting No on Issue 2 supports democracy and allows the people to debate issues either directly by ballot initiative or through their state legislature; or, vote yes and turn over your government “of, by and for the people” to an unelected appointed board. This whole issue is about control…either control by the citizenry of Ohio or control by an unelected board. It doesn’t take much of an imagination to realize how easily an appointed board could be manipulated by special interests. The one thing that factory farm advocates accomplished in moving control to the ODA was taking away what little local control existed over ag in rural communities (ORC903.25;Nov, 2003). Rural communities get to provide hundreds of thousands of dollars to repair damaged infrastructure in their counties from factory farms and put up with the loss of quality of life…no one at the state level seems to want to address these issues for us…not even the Ohio Dept. of Ag CAFF Advisory Board (another appointed board!). Guess we just don’t have enough $$. If Issue 2 passes and the NPDES permitting authority is given to the ODA, Ohio will be a magnet for factory farms across the nation. The citizens of Ohio will only have themselves to thank for being afraid to make decisions for themselves!Maybe we should let the appointed “experts” on govt boards do all of our thinking and decision-making for us since a govt of, by and for the people is too risky.
By Martin
October 6, 2009 3:03 PM | Link to this
“The democratically elected legislature and the agriculture department shouldn’t be shut out.” Guess what, they won’t be shut out. The ohio Legislature overwhelmingly approved this going to the ballot, as did the governor, and the state agriculture director will be part of the regulatory board to be formed. Issue 2 ain’t a special interest power grab, it’s farmers protecting their own industry “from” special interest power grabs.
By YESfor2
October 7, 2009 10:16 AM | Link to this
One definition I saw for a large farm was one that sold over $50,000 per year. Small farms were ones that sold less. Did any of you ever take a look at how much equipment costs to run a farm? That is anything from utilities to grain bins to tractors. 50K minus expenses and then in turn feed a family of 6. The family of 6 would qualify for free lunches in public schools and is considered in the poverty range. Who wants to live like that? Farms had to get larger in order to keep up with the cost of things. If we could provide for our families on a small income, then our farms would have stayed small. Unfortunately large farms are now called factory farms which is a negative connotation. You wouldn’t ask an TV producing company to only produce less than 50K in sales and still provide a decent income to all of the families it supports. Those companies have also gotten larger to not only meet the needs of employees, but also the consumer. If there were only small farms around our country, our food supply would be limited. Just as if there were only small TV companies, our households wouldn’t have more than one TV. If HSUS passes a proposal like they did in California and in some other states, it would cost my family run farm over $500,000 to convert our facilities. Due to potential death loss, we would need more animals to produce the same amount, which would also cost us more in labor and other expenses. Have you ever taken time and visited a larger family run farm to see what is all done behind the scenes? Probably not. You are probably too concerned about the smell in the barns Until we toilet train our cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, sheep, and goats, there will always be a smell. Imagine what it would be like if humans weren’t toilet trained. Being able to reason is what separates humans from animals. We care for our animals the best way we can. Our animals are fed a diet that is specific to their needs. They receive regular veternary care. They receive the vacinations they need in order to be healthy. (Didn’t you receive vacinations as well as your children?) We do not abuse our animals. (How many of our children around the country can say they have never been abused? Check out how many children are in foster care.) Is there room for improvement - absolutely. Any business is always looking for ways to improve. That is what the Animal Care Board would help us do, find ways to improve. Issue 2 is supported by our legislatures and our governor as well as many other groups of people. The agriculture industry needs your support. Vote YES on Issue 2.
By David
October 7, 2009 10:29 AM | Link to this
I also am a Miami County farmer and I do not support Issue 2. A yes vote on issue 2 is most certainly a vote for the ag INDUSTRY not the farmer. I read about people that say the farmer knows best vote yes and let the farmer decide. The problem with that is that the farmer is not the one deciding. Most of the people on that board are a bunch of suits and ties and wouldn’t know what was best for my farm anyway. People, we must stand up and take control of our govt. We have the right to choose, but if we let suits and ties decide, because, “they know best” how much choice is there? There is no place in this country for an issue like this. We shouldn’t even have to cast a ballot to decide this whole issue of animal welfare. The dollar speaks louder than anything I can think of. Next time you go to the grocery, vote with your wallet. If you don’t like industrial ag and confinement agriculture then don’t give them you dollars. Put them out of business because they will no longer have a market for their product, if that’s what you want. But please don’t legislate me as a farmer into caring for my animals the way a bunch of bureaucrats see fit, they don’t know what’s best for me.
By dairyfromtuscarawascounty
October 7, 2009 11:54 AM | Link to this
As a dairy farmer from an agriculutre county, I urge you to vote YES on Issue 2. The board will be made up by people who are out here doing the work. 3 family farmers will be on the board voicing their concerns not only for the farmer, but also for the animals. Please do not let someone from out-of-state tell Ohio farmers what is best for their animals, but let Ohioans tell us what is best for Ohio animals. All animals across the nation can not be treated the same due to geographical locations. Keep the deceisons left up to people in the state. Vote YES for State Issue 2!!
By Stuck
October 7, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this
I’m going to start off with one question… What have Ohio farmers ever asked from the voters? As long as I have been voting, not much, but we continue to put food on your table, be it plant, or animal. And don’t ask for much in return. With Ohio’s Biggest employer being agriculture, a no vote on this issue put myself and my husband out of a job. He is a full time farmer. I am work in the poultry business, so both of our jobs eventually depend on this issue passing. As for the comment in the article, about Mr. Wuebker “complaining” sorry there is a difference in “complaining” and stating the facts. Farmers are the last honest people out there. They are the ones that care for the world that God created for us to take care of, and the animals that He put on it. This board will regulate all areas of animal care. I believe we need that, and they are not some suits, tI forget the exact ratio, but there will be small and large farmers, on this board. They will know what is best for the animals, just like a farmer on his farm will. People don’t realize the impact that these HSUS and PETA types make when they break into farms, there is a farm owned by a company that I work for that years ago some PETA activist broke into and wanted to let the chickens out… guess what the idiot left the door open and they froze to death… What a help they are. All I have to say is VOTE YES ON 2!!!!!!!
By FFON
October 7, 2009 3:48 PM | Link to this
Voting Yes for Change. I believe we have the opportunity to create history as we all vote “YES” on Issue 2, Ohioans for Livestock Care. I would agree that Constitutional Admendents should not be taken lightly however sitting down to eat three healthy, safe meals a day is just as important. Our Forefathers of the Constitution had the vision of the future, giving us a process to add admendments. In 2009, we will add the most important admendment ever added to Preserve OHIO’s #1 Industry, Agriculture. Back in the day, it was not necessary to include policy about agriculture because many of them farmed their own land. Today, people are more removed from the farm. It has became our role, as farmers to educate the consumer as well as producing their food. Thank your local farmers as you enjoy what ever food you wish to eat. Voting Yes to Protect my freedom to choose what I eat!
By mv72
October 8, 2009 11:05 AM | Link to this
From OEFFA-Farmers by the way: OEFFA Asks You to VOTE NO ON ISSUE 2 on November 3! By, now you’ve heard about Issue 2. You’ve seen the yard signs, gotten the robo calls, and heard the radio ads, all telling you that Issue 2 is about “safe, local food.” And, on the surface, Issue 2 sounds great—creating a Livestock Care Standards Board that will oversee and livestock care in Ohio and protect local foods. However, Issue 2 will have the opposite effect. Here are the real facts about Issue 2: — Issue 2 would create a Livestock Care Standards Board, stacked with Big Ag and factory farm supporters, which would have sweeping authority to make decisions related to farms and food in Ohio that would have the force of law. The Board would have largely unchecked power to override any act by the Ohio Department of Agriculture and the Ohio Assembly. — Issue 2 will create a Livestock Care Standards Board with no accountability to voters. Their decisions will be final. There is no further review or evaluation of the standard, no established forum for public comment, and no ability to appeal their decisions. — Issue 2 serves the economic interests of factory farms, opening the door for the proliferation of Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs) in Ohio. — Issue 2 emphasizes the need of the livestock industry to provide “affordable food,” yet ignores its hidden costs, including environmental contamination, human health impacts, and the loss of rural communities. The Ohio Ecological Food and Farm Association has been Ohio’s voice for sustainable agriculture and local, organic foods for more than 30 years. We represent farmers, ranchers, gardeners, and conscientious eaters who value the importance of livestock in sustainable agricultural production systems and in providing prosperity for Ohio’s farm families. And hey, if this means meat will be more expensive so be it. Better to have a healthier product we enjoy once a day or a few times a week rather than these cheap $4 for a whole chicken nastiness our people are eating 3 times a day. Americans are suffering from all kinds of disease and obesity so how healthy and safe is our food really?
By alt
October 8, 2009 7:00 PM | Link to this
Dear MV, I am sorry that you and OEFFA feel the way you do. If you the readers would take the time to look at who the supporters are of State Issue 2, which has a list that is over 500 endorsments strong, you would realize that these many organizations and community leaders are from all over Ohio and support or represent all farmers(regardless of size) ,consumers and also the best interest of the livestock that we farmers nurture and produce for human consumption. I am not exactly sure where MV72 go this information from on how this board would run if state issue 2 passes , but I think readers should take the time and talk to someone who has the correct information, please visit www.ohiolivestockcare.com. State issue 2 is size neutral, and would not take any authority away from the department of agriculture. The department already has oversight on CAFOS (large animal operations). And don’t the readers think if we all returned to pasture operations that the environment would see greater impacts with the amount of animals we need to raise for consumers, running freely across the landsape? What about those kind of impacts on human health and food safety? That is why some farmers choose to go to animal housing units. All Ohio meat is inspected before it hits the grocery stores and don’t you think that the obesity problem has more to do with the consumers choice in preparing food and amount we consume? State issue 2 is about consumer choice, locally grown food,humane treatment of animals and protecting the ecomony of Ohio. Vote yes for STATE ISSUE 2.
By aharddaysnight
October 9, 2009 3:51 PM | Link to this [an error occurred while processing this directive]
I don’t see why everyone is freaking about this. We already have a dental board,medical board, state board of education and so on. I would rather have an ag board than allow an activist group like the HSUS come in and tell Ohio farmers what they should and shouldn’t do. Don’t forget they lied about the Vick dogs as well as Katrina relief. What makes you think they won’t lie about Ohio farmers? And just for the record there is a HUGE difference between animal welfare and animal rights. The HSUS is FOR TOTAL ANIMAL LIBERATION!! Read and learn… http://www.animalscam.com/
By I'm voting no
October 10, 2009 8:26 AM | Link to this
Why do people assume voting no on Issue 2 is a vote in support for HSUS? The farmers I buy my pork, chicken, eggs and beef from (veggies too) all are against Issue 2. I’m supporting THEM!