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By Biffster7

May 23, 2009 9:38 AM | Link to this

Issue 5 had more flaws than a chinese condom. How many read the actual wording of the law? The ballot machine said private clubs exempt, the wording said different. The lobbyists knew what they where doing when they wrote it. Apparently they think Ohioians are too stupid to know better. As for restaurants with wood fired stoved, the law says burning of tobacco or “any other plant”, wood, candles, cotton. Fair law? NO.

By smokedbacon

May 23, 2009 1:11 AM | Link to this

Tumbleweed, Red Lobster offer food cooked over a wood fire that contains ,more carcenogeons than second hand smoke ut you anti smokers gobble it up! American cancer society says nothing to avoid showing their true color. For me I can’t smoke then guess what, you do not get my money, ask the ACS for it, they promised it, let them deliver!

By smokedbacon

May 23, 2009 1:06 AM | Link to this

Very simple here why was it the American Cancer Society DEMANDED A LEVEL PLAYING FEILD? If no smoking was such a great idea why was it necessary for the ACS to blow over $3,000,0000 to $10,000,000 to force this losing business practice upon private clubs and family owned businesses? Soon $190,000,000 might leave Ohio due to Susan Jagers a American Cancer Society Lobbyist that made the motion to send that money out of the State of Ohio into the hands of the anti smoking cartel!

By Butch

June 30, 2008 5:44 PM | Link to this

Well CROWN7 would solve everyones problems. There legal to smoke in BARS/RESTAURANTS. So there should be no harm in giving it a shot.

By Judy

March 19, 2008 4:13 PM | Link to this

Non-smokers should be so happy!!! They can go into restaurants and not worry about all that disgusting smell and smoke. Smokers, if you can’t abstain for a few hours in a restaurant, there is something wrong with you.

By trentmccl

March 19, 2008 12:27 PM | Link to this

smokers= rednecks. Why on earth would somebody want to kill themselves, other than rednecks who do not care about anybody not even themselves.

By Bill

March 19, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

Hey Linda, For 44 years everyone has been aware of the hazards to health caused by smoking. Are the people that don’t wish bad health from second hand smoke stupid? Or is it the ones sucking on the burning nacotine and tar infested tobacco the stupid ones? Maybe it also effects your ability to reason

By Tom

March 18, 2008 11:39 PM | Link to this

Who was for or against the smoking ban? Wouldn’t it be in the medical profession’s best interest to want everyone to smoke? Who benefits from smoking problems but, think of the good health of the citizens? Who benefits from smoking and benefit their wallets? I’d be for the ban again and although I might have been able to allow it places I’d never go, I now favor a ban everywhere and think enforcement needs to get better.

By linda

March 18, 2008 11:33 PM | Link to this

SMOKING DOES NOT KILL , AND YOU PEOPLE THAT THINK IT DOES ARE SIMPLY STUPID TRY THE FACTORIES , GOVERNMENT, CARS AND GENETICS.WE ARE NO LONGER A FREE COUNTRY . IS THAT WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS IS TO LOOSE OUR FREEDOM?

By Tom

March 18, 2008 11:31 PM | Link to this

I go out more than ever and most times there is a wait for our table. If you have a product that is unique, why would you have to rely on smokers to be successful? I once read smokers needed to drink more to get the same buzz as non-smokers, you wonder why bars want smoking allowed? Miller Lane has plenty of business, sometimes you get a good idea and keep adding facilities until you are in debt up to your teeth. A tip from marketing class…location, location, location.

By Cleo

March 18, 2008 11:23 PM | Link to this

I went to Wild Bills several times. It was always enjoyable. I enjoy going to small family owned establishments that have a good micro brew selection such as Chappy’s. I also enjoy not having to smell like a pack of stale cigarettes when I leave.

By Sara

March 18, 2008 11:17 PM | Link to this

Ugh,

If you are one of the several rednecks that reside in the Miami Valley area and are complaining about the “smoking ban” I really hope that your a*s was at the polls when this issue was on the ballot. You had your chance to vote on it. It’s done, it’s over with. Get over it. Light your cancer stick somewhere else. This isn’t 1959, it’s 2009. Your “right” to smoke ends with my right to breathe clean air.

By Tony

March 18, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

I blame all restaurant closings on Walmart, Hillary Clinton and Dayton Mulletheads, like the ones at Kid Rock concerts.

By Lance

March 18, 2008 10:46 PM | Link to this

Jan, By your statement, you are a communist. As many posters on here. I am also a nonsmoker, simply because it is bad for you. That being said, the surgeon general has hand selected reports he uses and the truth is one in every eight scientific reports has greatly downgraded the effects of second hand smoke. If someone came into your home and told you how to run your household, you would be ticked. No one has the right to tell someone what to do with their personal property, including a restaura

By Joy

March 18, 2008 10:26 PM | Link to this

I doubt if the smoking ban had anything to do with the closing. In fact, I know more people going to restaurants that they have not been to before because they are not going to come out smelling like smoke. The feel what the problem is the economy is so bad and people are not going out to eat as much as they had before. My family went out a lot before but with the gas prices getting close to $4, we can’t afford to do it. There were four restaurants that closed on Miller Lane this year.

By just me

March 18, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

The smoking ban has little effect on restaurants. The poorly run ones go out of business and the good ones do well. The smoking ban has a huge negative effect on the bars that serve little food. Those are the places that are hurting from the ban. All those people that voted for the ban are not going to the local watering holes (I’m not talking BW3 type places here) and having a couple of adult beverages and shooting some pool or throwing some darts.

By Larry Greenwalt

March 18, 2008 9:14 PM | Link to this

It never ceases to amaze me that a business fails and it is some mysterious outside force that closed it…in this case smoking. Its like the market owner that closes and blames the Walmart that opened 15 minutes away on its demise. Perhaps the restaurant failed because it had a product nobody wanted and service people felt was missing. Just as people abandon a local market not just on price but on variety. Personally I would like to buy my food closer to home—but some items just do not work.

By Eric

March 18, 2008 8:49 PM | Link to this

I am a former smoker. That aside, if people want to kill themsevles smoking, then by all means let them. Post “This is a smoking establishment” on the front entrance of the business in question and let them smoke; or have separate closed and ventilated rooms for their differing customers. As for the employees in the establishment, higher only smokers, if non-smoking employees object to breathing all that smoke. This country loses more freedom(s)every year. (No insurance for smoking ailments.)

By Wild Bill

March 18, 2008 8:21 PM | Link to this

PEOPLE WHO SMOKE AROUND CHILDREN ARE POTENTIAL MURDERERS OF THEIR OWN OFFSPRING.

By Linda in Lebanon

March 18, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

As a former smoker I know first hand ,just how nasty smoking really is. It makes me sick to smell it now ,and I’m glad it does. Smoking is Bad for everyone. if you need to smoke while you eat ,then by all means get your food to go !Leave your poor little children at home with a non smoking baby sitter too!It Should be against the law to Smoke Around Children. They did NOT ask to be born ,and they don’t deserve asthma and otherlung disorders because you are hooked on the chemicals they put in cig

By Linda in Lebanon

March 18, 2008 8:12 PM | Link to this

As a former smoker I know first hand ,just how nasty smoking really is. It makes me sick to smell it now ,and I’m glad it does. Smoking is Bad for everyone. if you need to smoke while you eat ,then by all means get your food to go !Leave your poor little children at home with a non smoking baby sitter too!It Should be against the law to Smoke Around Children. They did NOT ask to be born ,and they don’t deserve asthma and otherlung disorders because you are hooked on the chemicals they put in cig

By Phil Man

March 18, 2008 7:29 PM | Link to this

I’ve lived in Lebanon for 8 years. This restaurant has been sold, closed, sold, and closed numerous times. Yet, they re-open it with the same menu, slow service, disinterested servers, and a redneck clientele. You can barely even see it from the main road. It’s not like Lebanon has a thriving restaurant industry to begin with. I don’t think smoking had much to do with it. We’re a fast food town!

By Jonathan

March 18, 2008 7:22 PM | Link to this

I would imagine not too many people remember that there was another issue on the ballot about smoking that same year. It made the distinction about bars and other establishments being able to alow smoking but the sponsors of that issue wanted it to be an amendment to the Ohio constitution. That is why I did not vote for it. If they would have not done that I think many others would have supported it over the other which banned all smoking but did not want to amend the Ohio Constitution.

By Callie

March 18, 2008 7:17 PM | Link to this

I am a non smoker and sick to death of smokers blowing their smoke in my face. I am sick of them littering our highways by throwing their butts out the windows of their cars. I am sick of seeing people dumping out their ash trays at red lights. I am really upset with people smoking in their cars and seeing small children and babies in there helplessly breathing the toxin. Why are smokers so dirty and disrespectful? Stay at home and smoke in your own filthy air.

By Callie

March 18, 2008 7:14 PM | Link to this

I am a non smoker and sick to death of smokers blowing their smoke in my face. I am sick of them littering our highways by throwing their butts out the windows of their cars. I am sick of seeing people dumping out their ash trays at red lights. I am really upset with people smoking in their cars and seeing small children and babies in there helplessly b Why are so many smokers dirty smokers?

If you want to fill your lungs with that vile do it at home in your own personal air and space.

By HERES A TISSUE!!

March 18, 2008 6:18 PM | Link to this

BW 3s, Red Lobster, Logans, Olive Garden, Red Robin, Friches, Ruby Tuesday, and on and on and on, are still open. All had smoking in their establishments, now they don’t. Some are recording record profits in these crappy times. Maybe your food sucked, maybe not. But to blame it on smokers not coming back only shows the limited cranial capacity of a smoker or your customers, or both. (ie; yoots not be a smarter than yurts brotha Bubba Jo Jim Bob cause a you not eat road kills momma kooked).

By Barry

March 18, 2008 6:09 PM | Link to this

truth of the matter is that the smoking ban has hurt business for bars and resteraunts. go to any establishment that isn’t fast food and ask the waiter, the waitress or the owner. maybe the downturn in the economy is the second punch in a one-two combo, but before the smoking ban how many non-fast food places were non-smoking only? not many, why? because uninviting customers is bad for business. an ill considered law that is bad for business

the government that governs least governs best

By smoker

March 18, 2008 5:58 PM | Link to this

If people want to “destroy” themselves it is their own business. I am a smoker and I think the smoking ban is somewhat ridiculous, especially in bars. I will say that I do agree with the smoking ban in restaurants but bars??? come on people. In every bar that I have ever been in, there are always more smokers than non-smokers. That’s what you find in bars: smokers and alcohol. If you don’t like the smoke then go somewhere else.

By adam

March 18, 2008 5:36 PM | Link to this

My wife and I eat out seversl times a week. We have visited almost all of the restaurants that have closed. Long before the smoking ban we believed these, and others, had several common traits: bad service, average food, high prices and lousy attitudes among the wait staff. And, the Stockyards Inn is the next to go, good riddance.

By Karie

March 18, 2008 5:31 PM | Link to this

I seriously doubt this whole thing is chalked up to the smoking ban. With everthing else that is going on with the economy and rising pricess of fuel and minimum wage. You mean to tell me the smokers who come in the resturant stay for hours order one meal suck down countless free refills and sit and smoke the rest of the time they are in there was really good for business?? Please!

By bob from lebanon

March 18, 2008 5:24 PM | Link to this

i tried wild bills a couple of times after they re-opened. the service was slow and awful. the food was expensive for what was served. smoking or not did not keep me away. the lack of VALUE for my money did……wild bills management hurt themselves by forgetting the basics. good food and service.

By adam

March 18, 2008 5:04 PM | Link to this

It is amazing to me that people will continue this horrible habit knowing there is absolute proof that at least one out of three smokers will die from a disease related to smoking. Look at the outcry about bad meat and lead in toys. And only a handful of people have been affected. Yet, tens of thousands of people still protest their right to destroy themselves and take others along with them just to preserve their “right” to smoke. Thats really sick.

By Mike

March 18, 2008 4:54 PM | Link to this

With so many factors it is kind of a jump in logic to say it’s because of the smoking ban. There many factors that can come into play. A saturated restaurant market, high taxes rates for businesses, high gas prices, a slumping economy and a dwindling job market can all combine to drive a restaurant out of business. However, I do think bars should allow smoking.

By rickr

March 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Link to this

the smoking ban did not cause this….restaurants go out of business because they are not good restaurants…plain and simple

By Bob

March 18, 2008 4:32 PM | Link to this

Seriously folks - the smoking ban was NOT a government mandate. It was proposed legislation that was brought to the citizens for a vote. Don’t cry foul and blame the government just because the ban passed and you’re upset about it. This is not a case of the government trying to rule our lives and if you keep thinking it is, you’re sorely mistaken. If you’re this unhappy, contact your local legislators and ask about getting the ban repealed instead of whining about it until the end of time.

By andy

March 18, 2008 4:27 PM | Link to this

I’m sad to see any restaurant close, but wonder if it is indeed the smoking ban. Other possibilities: (a) There is a recession starting up. My first reaction to my reduced cash flow was to reduce the amount of money I spend on luxuries. (b) The cost of gas has gone up…causing more cash flow problems and making it more pricey to drive significant distances. (c) The Greene is redirecting a lot of the eating out money away from the small Mom & Pops.

By jeez...

March 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Link to this

I rarely eat out anymore.This is because I work too hard to not be able to enjoy spending the money I work hard for.I miss the pleasure of a cigarette after a meal.Several establishments had no smoking prior to the ban,and I didnt go there before for the same reasons.As for voting for this,I recall the bill I voted against included something about private clubs being an exception to the rule.That part of the vote didn’t seem to matter much to anyone when it was ignored.

By Imamelfan

March 18, 2008 4:24 PM | Link to this

An estimated 20.8% of all adults (45.3 million people) smoke cigarettes in the United States. That means that nearly 80% of people are non-smokers. I used to smoke. Even when I did, I NEVER lit up in a restaurant. I voted for the ban. Beyond the rights of people to smoke or not is the simple realization that you can and most probably will die from a smoking related disease. It was hard for me to quit smoking, so I don’t think I should have to continue to take those risks when in a restaurant.

By Jim

March 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Link to this

The owner of that restaurant should have practiced Civil Disobedience. I did at my bar and business is good again. God Bless The Ohio People!

By nurse

March 18, 2008 4:20 PM | Link to this

As a non-smoker, it is so nice not to have to smell the stench that smokers leave behind - not to mention the carcinogens in the second-hand smoke. Smoking is THE NUMBER ONE reason that people go to hospitals. Thank God our legislators finally saw the light and had the stones to stand up to the tobacco industry. To the restaurant owner, to quote Bill Clinton in his campaign “It’s the economy - stupid”.

By DaJuan Hayes

March 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

I really don’t care if they ban smoking in restaurants, but bars are a different matter. No one goes to a bar to be HEALTHY. People go to bars to relax, have fun, and tie one on if the occasion warrants. People don’t want to have the health police looking over their shoulders when they’re at their favorite bars. If I want to go someplace to be HEALTHY, I’ll go to a yoga studio, thank you very much.

By DaJuan Hayes

March 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Link to this

I really don’t care if they ban smoking in restaurants, but bars are a different matter. No one goes to a bar to be HEALTHY. People go to bars to relax, have fun, and tie one on if the occasion warrants. People don’t want to have the health police looking over their shoulders when they’re at their favorite bars. If I want to go someplace to be HEALTHY, I’ll go to a yoga studio, thank you very much.

By Me

March 18, 2008 4:15 PM | Link to this

I’m a smoker but I never smoked at restaurants. I felt it was rude. At a bar, I feel totally different about that. Bars are places where people smoke. You know that before you choose to go to a bar. You have the right not to go.

By Non Smoker

March 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

Smokers—Hop I-70, Richmond is 30 minutes down the road.

By Chris

March 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Link to this

Blame rapidly rising gas prices instead of the smoking ban.

By Chris

March 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Link to this

Blame rising gas prices instead of the smoking ban.

By Earl

March 18, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

Crappy location, food, service and poor management closes restaurants. To blame this on the smoking ban is a losers argument. To validate that smoking ban closed my resturant argument is to say that no restaurants closed BEFORE the smoking ban? I think not.

By Dee

March 18, 2008 4:04 PM | Link to this

I am a smoker but I don’t like smoking in restaurants. Why can’t establishments that allow those 21 and older in decide if that is what they want, it’s their business!

By Kel

March 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Wow! I’m confused, have children started posting on this? With all the name-calling and derogatory statements (not to mention a lot of people who can’t spell), I couldn’t tell if these were adults or children. I am a non-smoker, but I think it should be up to the business owner. If you don’t want to smell like smoke, don’t go to that establishment. Simple as that. I don’t like fish, so I’m not going to go to a seafood restaurant and complain if they only have fish. Get the point?

By porkbelly

March 18, 2008 4:01 PM | Link to this

Smokers or non-smokers, do you like the government telling you how to run your business or how to run your life? I think we are adult enough to make our own decisions. If I choose to eat out at a place that has smoking, that should be my decision. If we leave things alone and have less government intrusion, things will work out on there own. The bad restaurants will eventually close because they have lousy food or lousy service. Good restaurants will remain open because they are doing well.

By A smoker

March 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Link to this

So, where are you NON-smokers? YOU wanted this passed and look what’s happening! There are 2 bars in our area closing because of the smoking ban. One lost over $10,000 since the ban. No joke. So WHERE ARE YOU NON-SMOKERS? YOU WANTED THIS BAN!! You said you would support the local businesses! And WE, the smokers, are the bad guys? You should be ASHAMED. People are losing their livelihood because of your BAN. Bring back smoking in ADULT areas, such as bars, 21 and older. BOO HISS on you & your ban

By Richard

March 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

I’m a smoker and not bothered by the ban. I can stand an hour or so without a cigarette, just like going to the movies or to church. As long as all restaurants are non-smoking, what’s the deal? Restaurants come and go. It is the nature of the business. By the way, DDN, monitor this site a little closer. Too many slow learners keep pressing the send button, apparently.

By Richard

March 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

I’m a smoker and not bothered by the ban. I can stand an hour or so without a cigarette, just like going to the movies or to church. As long as all restaurants are non-smoking, what’s the deal? Restaurants come and go. It is the nature of the business. By the way, DDN, monitor this site a little closer. Too many slow learners keep pressing the send button, apparently.

By Jen

March 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Link to this

I’m sad to hear that Wild Bill’s has closed it’s doors as that was one of mine and my husband’s favorite restaurants - very good food and good service. Best onion rings I’ve ever had!

I will say however, that I did not enjoy walking past the smokers at Wild Bill’s (or any restaurant for that matter) to get to the non-smoking section. Chris, you’re right. We did vote on the smoking issue and the majority rules.

By karis

March 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Link to this

Jerry: the laws are made by the people. We are the people. Unfortunately you are the peon. So I openly scoff at you. If you don’t like it then it is too bad. More of us like it then don’t. We might have our heads up our butt, but your vote was insignifigant. You are just another little speedbump. Chump.

By karis

March 18, 2008 3:54 PM | Link to this

Jerry: the laws are made by the people. We are the people. Unfortunately you are the peon. So I openly scoff at you. If you don’t like it then it is too bad. More of us like it then don’t. We might have our heads up our butt, but your vote was insignifigant. You are just another little speedbumb. Chump.

By jerry

March 18, 2008 3:51 PM | Link to this

So how is it that a business can’t make decisions for themselves without the State saying what they have to pay and who can and can’t smoke in their place. Where was the State to help finance the operations when it got started (No where to be found) I don’t smoke but if all the non-smokers don’t think that it’s caused a loss of business they have their heads in their behind. Besides if the State is going to SELL smokes and TAX them then they should let the business decide if people can smoke.

By billy

March 18, 2008 3:47 PM | Link to this

Andrew you should post legislation to try to get that passed. In the meantime enjoy smoking out by the dumpster. It is funny that you say we should not come in to the resturant, when you were voted out because you stink and spread sickness. Why don’t you eat at home and you won’t have to hear us whiney babies. You have no mind.

By kathy

March 18, 2008 3:19 PM | Link to this

I know why business declined when smokers left is because they can’t taste the food. All the people who could actually taste the food left long ago, due to the nastiness. Smokers are a leach on society.

By Thankyou smoking ban

March 18, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Smokers force their habits on everyone else. This ban is long overdue. Smokers, how would you like it if I walked by your table and spit tobacco juice in your mouth while you were eating. Get the point?????

By Andrew

March 18, 2008 3:15 PM | Link to this

Why can’t a business choose whether or not it’s establishment is smoking? Then, the whiney complainers on here about smoking can choose not to visit it. Then, we’ll never have to hear from you again.

But since that’s not the case, please keep your whiney children out of restaurants. They interupt my dinner and take away from the enjoyment of a romantic evening. Plus they increase our risk of becoming hard of hearing… God forbid I were to get lung cancer AND become deaf.

By Lebanon is a joke

March 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Link to this

Lebanon is one of, if not the worse, mismanaged cities in the state of Ohio. The health department is lazy, so the food is nasty. The city is lazy, so there are potholes everywhere. The town is run rampid with fat old people so there is no entertainment. Housing is expensive, because they tax all new homes. And the school management is stupid, so all residents are under a massive tax levy. Wow, where do I sign up. Manage your city correctly and the businesses will follow. Morons.

By Joy

March 18, 2008 3:12 PM | Link to this

Ohh and for those of you who think this is some form of communism—apparently have no idea what that really means. If Ohio were a state of communism—-you would not be able to write your comments here….among many other things. Confucious say: “Better to stay silent and give illusion of stupidity than open mouth and remove all doubt.”

By Stephen Bickford

March 18, 2008 3:06 PM | Link to this

You can’t close a business for a while and then reopen it and expect your customers to be there. Word gets around quickly that you have closed and then when you re-open, people don’t know if you are open or closed and so they go someplace else.

I love the smoking ban. Why do people who go out to eat have to deal with other people’s nicotine addiction? It’s long past time we stopped putting up with people spreading carcinogins.

By NANCE

March 18, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

We eat out more often BECAUSE of the smoking ban. I am always SO happy to walk into a place and not come out smelling like an ashtray. I can take my grandchildren out to places now that I would never go to before the smoking ban. I say HOORAY!!! to smoke free establishments!!

By BillyBob

March 18, 2008 3:03 PM | Link to this

Where oh where did my smokers go? Where oh where can they be? In the hospital with terminal cancer, At least now they don’t bother me.

Call the wambulance. Some other poor manager blaming the smoking ban on his failure!

By Kay

March 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Link to this

I don’t have to breathe in smoky air at restaurants anymore—great.

I wonder if they’ll see the real problem at restaurants and make “no crying babies or annoying little kids running around” sections?

By Keith

March 18, 2008 2:58 PM | Link to this

I am amused at how condescending you non-smokers are. Why don’t we start a bill to be voted on to remove children from restaurants because I hate spending money to eat at an establishment and being forced to listen to kids whine and make a scene and ruin my evening. Secondly since when is it OK for you to tell residents STATEWIDE how to run their business? Today it is cigarettes, tomorrow it’s something else.

By fredw

March 18, 2008 2:57 PM | Link to this

To blame the smoking ban on your restaurant failing is foolish. The restaurant is closed because of poor food, poor service, poor managment. It is easy to lay blame on something you cannot control. Bottom Line: You failed as a restaurnateer.

By Joy

March 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Link to this

I totally believe that if you want to destroy your health by smoking that you should have the right to do so. But that DOES NOT give you the right to destroy my air, or my childs air. I have every right to not breath second hand smoke when I go to eat or enjoy a night out. It isnt ok for smokers to force it down our throats. Smoke if you want but dont take me down with you!! Not ok!!!

By Sean

March 18, 2008 2:54 PM | Link to this

To Hope: Do you even know what communism means? It means more government intervention. AS you have stated”Government could have vetoed the bill” Which is it Hope? More or less government. Seansito

By Fed Up

March 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Link to this

I think the problem with these resteraunts and bars is not the smoking. It’s the food. People wh used to smoke in these places are finally being able to “taste” what they have been eating without the tobacco lavored filled taste buds and thy say “it sucks”. I have never been to this eatery before but I had been at the Thirsty Dawg and others who have shut down ad blame the “Smoking Ban” I don’t smoke and there food was awful!

By Bob

March 18, 2008 2:51 PM | Link to this

Using the smoking ban as a scapegoat is lame. If you were serving good food in the first place, it shouldn’t matter in the slightest if people can or can’t smoke. Why? Because no one goes to a restaurant to smoke. They go to eat. The food should be able to stand on its own.

By JD

March 18, 2008 2:47 PM | Link to this

My fiance and I go out to eat a lot more with the smoking ban. We stay out longer, enjoy our selves more. Same thing when we go to a bar. Economy is the key word, the owner even said it in the article.

By Guess What

March 18, 2008 2:42 PM | Link to this

I really don’t care. Don’t care about amokers or non-smokers. Dont care about bars that stay open or the ones that close. I didn’t vote because i don’t care. I spend what I WANT with MY money at places i feel like. if they close so what. The fattning of Ohio is starting to bother me some because I want to move quick in the Wal-Mart and lard lady is taking her time because she’s fat but all in all. I really don’t care. Close them all including GM/Delco/Delfi/unions/smoking places/laundry mats..wh

By Jonbuoy186

March 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Link to this

I think I have a solution to the smokeing problem.Since smokers can kill us with their filthy stinking habit,Why can’t we do the same? We non smokers should be able to carry .45 autos in a shoulder holster. Then when the smokers light up and kill us with their nasty habit all we have to do is pull out our wepons and shoot them.I mean fair is fair,right?

By Darrell

March 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Link to this

What don’t you people understand I am a non smoker and yes it is nice to be able to go out and not come back smelling. The thing is we dont own these buisnesses we dont pay their employees we dont pay their taxes and we dont pay their rent/mortgage. Who are we to tell them what they can and can do in what they own. If you dont like the smoking vote with your wallet dont use the power of goverment to make others give up their right to do what they want with their property.

By Just Me

March 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Link to this

I’m a smoker. I think that a restaurant using the smoking ban as an excuse for why they closed is just wrong. People go to restaurants to EAT, not to smoke. Any smoker who can’t wait an hour before they light up has a serious problem.

By Alice M. Martin

March 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Link to this

I get so sick of hearing poor me, I’m closing, the people in the State of Ohio voted over whelming to ban smoking everywhere. Thanks!!!! We winter in Florida and hated to come home to smoky Ohio. California, Florida, New York City all have gone non-smoking. For those of you who want to smoke and kill yourselves, your spouses, your kids, it’s now possible for you to do that in your own homes, cars, etc. We don’t have to join you. Thanks Ohio voters, it wasn’t government!!!!!!!

By Hope

March 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Link to this

I’m a social smoker, but I don’t smoke in resturants, I do smoke outside, I get nasty looks, but that’s my business and no one elses. The government could have vetoed the bill, but they didn’t. I don’t agree with the ban. Like I’ve said before, it’s borderline communism. Next we won’t be able to in our homes and cars that WE work hard for everyday not the government or anyone else.

By richard

March 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

couldn’t have said it any better myself Chris

By Judy

March 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Link to this

Well, well, well…could it be the restaurant just didn’t have good food?? Quit blaming smoking. All GOOD restaurants have stayed open. It’s nice to go into a restaurant and not smell that horrible smoke.

By Chris

March 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Link to this

I don’t remember the government placing a ban on smoking because they think it’s the best thing for us… I’m pretty sure there was a vote, which means WE chose the best things for us.

By Dave

March 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Link to this

Karen, take a look in the parking lots —- they’re full. Maybe you don’t eat out as often, but apparently somebody is taking up the slack.

It’s sad to see any business go under. But people seem to overlook the fact that we’re in (or going into) a recession. You can’t blame that on smoking laws.

By Charles

March 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

DDN should do a poll of restaurants and bars in the Dayton area to see how the smoking ban has affected these businesses. I for one would like to see some hard data about the smoking ban instead of endless speculation. I am a smoker and I have cut back my dining out drastically, but I think smokers are a minority. A restaurant owner friend who claims his business is down, told me if banning smoking would increase business he would have done it along time ago.

By anon

March 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Link to this

I see business signs saying they are closing the doors because of the smoking ban and I have to laugh. It affects every establishment…so all businesses should be on an even playing field. Seems the crappy hole in the walls that nobody went to in the first place except the same 50 drunks spendin their familys paychecks each week are the ones closing down. Feels good to be able to go out and not reek of smoke now.

By Judy

March 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Link to this

I don’t care how many smokers stay home and don’t eat out. At least I don’t have to smell their stinking smoke anymore. It is “bull” to blame a restaurant closure on the smoking ban. That is just nonsense.

By Karen

March 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Link to this

They say the smoking ban has nothing to do with the closing of all the restaurants lately. Yea right. My husband and I use to eat out 4 or 5 times a week because we both work. Now we eat out maybe 2 or 3 times a month. And eat and leave as soon as possible. Maybe once enough business’s close Ohio will grow a brain and reverse this stupid law. If for no other reason than it should be up to the business OWNER what goes on in their establishment!

By Livin' in Lebanon

March 18, 2008 1:52 PM | Link to this

I enjoy not sitting in the “non-smoking section” that is only separated from the “smoking section” by a 5’ wall. I enjoy going to the bowling alley, and not having to take a shower when I get home, to wash off the smoke. BUT, I don’t think that smoking should’ve been outlawed in bars. This is another step in government deciding “what is best for us”. BTW, I live outside of Lebanon, and never heard of Wild Bills. Maybe some advertising could’ve helped them. Of course, its not theirrrr faul

By LebanonCitizen

March 18, 2008 1:46 PM | Link to this

Tbill- Hmm, who cares??? People who live there who enjoy supporting locally owned and operated businesses instead of the overwhelming selection of Buffalo Wild Wings, Frichs, and Bob Evans which are the only full service eateries in town. Also to Donnie- enjoy the tax revenue do you? Well then, lets wait until they start taxing you on how many grams of fat is in your Cheesburger.

By leaving for cig

March 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Link to this

Yeah, I still eat out.. sometimes. And yes, we leave faster so we can go get a cigarette. So, how is that bad for business… well we used to eat out 3 times a week, now.. maybe 3 times a month… so you tell me how that is bad for business

I biggest joy I look forward to, is for more restaurants to close.. the ones the non smokers love the most… what goes around, comes around

By court

March 18, 2008 1:41 PM | Link to this

it’s frustrating. yes i am a smoker i do not stay as long b/c i want to be able to smoke after my meal. I have a friend who’s is a waiter and he’s even complained tips are smaller b/c people leave directly after a meal to smoke. i mean seriously you cant even smoke in a bar? why dont we just ban everything i mean really? what is the world comming to? Atleast allow smoking in places where they serve alcohol? then you wouldnt be offending familes b/c children shouldnt be there anyway.

By kurt

March 18, 2008 1:40 PM | Link to this

The “savings” on health issues banning smoking should have been given to non-smokers to go out and spend at these establishments.Instead nanny-government retains the taxes from smokers while trying to enforce an unfunded mandate.Government,at EVERY level is a joke. PS:I’m a smoker

By tbill

March 18, 2008 1:28 PM | Link to this

Who cares about a restaurant in Lebanon? And are we ever going to see the end of this same, tird, old question about how the smokers were the only ones keeping restaurants from closing? Get a life people, and Mark Fisher should pick a new topic, for crissakes! Stop beating this long-dead horse, will ya?! You voted this law in, so live with it.

By Erik

March 18, 2008 1:25 PM | Link to this

The obese non-smokers will be crying badly when our nanny government decides it is now acceptable to regulate their eating habits. “You can’t eat here sir,” says the maitre’d, “You are 75 lbs. over the weight limit to dine at this restaurant.” OR “Maam, based on your fat index, I am only allowed to serve you the bean sprouts and carrot sticks.” It’s not about cigarette smoke, sheeple, it’s about the freedom of association.

By Learn how to spell!

March 18, 2008 1:22 PM | Link to this

My god man! Before you try to call someone else out on education learn how to spell for yourself first please. Tell your bf trent to get a clue!

By Karpis

March 18, 2008 1:14 PM | Link to this

I am happy to be able to eat and not have to smell cigarette smoke. If a few places have to close, so be it. There are too many restaurants in this area anyway. WE won’t miss a few.

By trentmccl

March 18, 2008 1:11 PM | Link to this

It had nothing to do with the lack of smokers, it had everything to do with bad fiscal management!

By Donnie

March 18, 2008 1:09 PM | Link to this

Dave hit the nail on the head. Also, businesses aren’t running lean like they should in such harsh economic times. Smoking only HELPS us but it has no place in public. It should be used at home only. But the tax helps us all so I don’t want them outlawed all together. Dave is so correct on the wait time, very good.

By Ex Smoker

March 18, 2008 1:06 PM | Link to this

I have quit smoking but only because I had health issues not related to it. I do not go to establishments anymore because I am not allowed to smoke. I also can not have trans-fat. Basically I can not spend my money on much of anything that I enjoy. I miss going bowling with my brother and smelling the inviting smell that was unique to such places. I’m sorry to see so many non-smokers (like me) NOT PICK UP THE SLACK and spend more at bars and eateries. GO OUT AND SPEND you non-smokers before it’s