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Strickland supports paddling ban

Introduction of legislation to outlaw corporal punishment in schools brings issue into spotlight.

> Do you think paddling in schools should be banned?

By William Hershey

Staff Writer

Tuesday, December 11, 2007

State Rep. Brian Williams, former superintendent of Akron public schools, calls paddling an "antiquated way of changing behavior" that should be abolished in schools.

Terry Leeth, raised in Tipp City and now assistant superintendent of Western Local Schools in Pike County, said residents of that district want to preserve paddling as a "last resort" punishment.

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Williams and Leeth are on opposite sides of a debate reignited last week when Williams, D-Akron, and Rep. Jon Peterson, R-Delaware, introduced House Bill 406 to prohibit corporal punishment in schools.

Gov. Ted Strickland is supportive and would sign such legislation, said his spokesman, Keith Dailey.

A law that took effect in 1994 discourages paddling. But in a concession to local control, it permits districts to use paddling by following procedures such as establishing a community task force and studying discipline in the district.

Last year, Pike County's Western Local Schools reported the highest number of paddlings at 99.

The style of punishment was used in just 17 of Ohio's 614 school districts, none in the Dayton area. Altogether, 270 students received 453 paddlings. Ohio is one of 21 states that permit corporal punishment.

Leeth said her district tried banning it but the community wanted it back.

"The parents have to fill out a paper saying they're OK with it," she said. Only the principal does the paddling, she said.

Williams said research shows the punishment is counterproductive, does not change behavior and can cause children to become more aggressive.

> Do you think paddling in schools should be banned?

Comments

By Parent

December 17, 2007 4:12 PM | Link to this

Jenn you are correct. Children need to know life is not perfect. I have two boys that are very sheltered from life. Its all of our fault and never theirs. As a parent you can not even discipline your own child. Children realize they can get away with anything. Where do we go from here?

By Pray for the kids...

December 13, 2007 11:29 AM | Link to this

We’ll never all agree on what’s right for discipline, but I’d bet we could all agree on what’s right in terms of behavior. Responsibility and respect are formed at home and at a very early age. We seem to trivialize discipline - it’s a complex issue and depends highly on the child - what works for some doesn’t necessarily work for others. Many parents don’t understand their responsibility in bringing a child into the world. Don’t beat the kids, pray for them, then beat their parents!!!

By JJ

December 12, 2007 7:18 AM | Link to this

Kids who are hit learn to take a hit, nothing more and nothing less. If I want my child paddled, I will do the job myself.

Let’s let parents parent, educators educate, and politicians can concentrate on getting us some fair and constitutional school funding instead of what all else needs “banned.”

By joel

December 12, 2007 1:24 AM | Link to this

I guess if they get rid of “swats” in school, there should be “no paddles allowed” signs posted in the doors…right next to the “no guns allowed” signs. Ten to one some nut-bag juvie goes postal soon in a school with a pinewood plank.

Inmates running the assylum.

By Ray

December 11, 2007 7:28 PM | Link to this

Well, there’s an idiot in every crowd. It’s true of this crowd posting comments. Three out of all these postings, so far, think paddling is wrong. Everyone else, in their own way, agreed paddling has good merits. I received paddlings three times during my school years. I got punished at home also. Today, I am more resposible and thoughtful…and I walk / sit without pain. Crime rates won’t improve until personal accountability does. Wonder if Charles Manson was paddled? God help us!!

By Bruce

December 11, 2007 5:37 PM | Link to this

I agree with “Mr. Pug”. The lack of discipline is what’s causing the problems in schools today. When I was attending Parma Sr. High in the early ’60s, we actually made the paddles for the teachers in woodshop classes. Almost all male teachers had paddles - and used them. If I had come home and told my parents that I had received a swat, they wouldn’t have sued. They would have asked what I had done to deserve it - then given me another!

By Lance

December 11, 2007 4:46 PM | Link to this

I’ve seen several idiots post on this. For one, if a student is going to get paddled, they call the parents before it is done. So if you don’t want your child paddled, it doesn’t happen. Anybody claiming this or any other punishment used by schools is bad only needs to look at kids today and compare them to kids from years before. You morons out there keep taking away punishment, God in school, force them to take sex ed and evolution. At least I know who to blame things on.

By SAR

December 11, 2007 4:27 PM | Link to this

Paddle the parents!

By Mak

December 11, 2007 4:23 PM | Link to this

What do you expect from two whiny liberal Democrats like Williams and Strickland?

By Mr. Pug

December 11, 2007 2:46 PM | Link to this

It is not against the law in any of the 50 states for parents to paddle their children. This is bad information. Some states like California have occasionally proposed legislation to make parental discipline illegal, but fortunately these ludicrous efforts have not yet been successful. It doesn’t take much work to confirm this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanking#Legal_situation

By Mr. Pug

December 11, 2007 2:19 PM | Link to this

Let’s see. 40 years ago corporal punishment was much more strict and consistently enforced, and problems in school were talking and chewing gum. Today, corporal punishment is rare and rarely enforced - and problems in school include illegal drugs, teen pregnancy, STDs, rampant cheating, failing academic standards, and homicide. The level of respect and discipline the AVERAGE student has today is deplorable compared with even a generation ago. Could part of that be the absence of a good swat?

By Mont Mom

December 11, 2007 2:01 PM | Link to this

If parents would punish their kids at home and teach them respect this wouldnt be a issue.. I am 34 and was brought up if i disrespected my parents or a adult there were Consequences. I now have a teenager and pre teen.. and i beleive in the same.. my 15 year old knows if she talks back its a tap in the mouth.. do i beat my kids NOOO although some of these “new age” parents who beleive in the only way to punish is time out.. get real.. it is your kids who are disrupting class.and need a wack!

By preacher,franklin,ohio

December 11, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

its,bible,to,do,it,leave,it,begeter,done,for,jesus,not,goverment,godbless,you,all.

By preacher,franklin,ohio

December 11, 2007 1:49 PM | Link to this

god,help,us,all,leaveit,along,geter,donefor,jesusgodbless,you,all.

By Eric

December 11, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

You must be joking me when you ask if this is right or wrong!!! You can’t honestly tell me that by allowing a “teacher” to paddle/spank (BEAT) my children that will teach them respect. As it sits I truely wonder if the schools are teaching anything let alone respect. If a teacher ever were to “paddle” my child I can say my childs behavior will be the least of that teachers worries.

By Nancy

December 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Link to this

Actually I thought it wasn’t allowed any more, because I never see it. It should NOT be outlawed. That is one of the things that has helped keep order. It CAN be done in a proper fashion and it SHOULD be done when needed.

By the way, it most CERTAINLY shoud never be outlawed at home. There is a difference between abuse and true discipline.

By Skywalker

December 11, 2007 1:18 PM | Link to this

I am 51 years old and when I was growing up and did something stupid in the classroom or at home I expected a spanking/paddling. My dad used a belt and the instructors used wood paddles with holes drilled thru them and they hurt! Now I don’t condone that, but the kids today are out of control, they’ll call 911 in a heartbeat and report a parent (who goes to jail) which is dead wrong. We, as a society are going down the wrong path and it will come back to haunt us.

By Rush10

December 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Link to this

Our kids need to learn that they need to be responsible for their actions. Unfortunately the libs want to ban everything they disagree with like God and my right to parent as well. I agree with paddling and I am glad that there are people who care enough about our kids that they would man up and do what is necessary to disipline those who may be on the wrong path. A spoiled kid is okay but a spoiled adult is worse.

By steve

December 11, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Its time to set some youngsters backside on fire….not give these out of control brats another leg up on not being punished for their actions..As for this idiot governor he needs to quit backing lame liberal touchy feely laws and be a man and stand for strong punishment…time to get rid of these idiots in the state house…

By By Nadine

December 11, 2007 12:34 PM | Link to this

Corporal punishment in schools should be banned. It can easily lead to injuries of children and lawsuits against educators. If parents left bruises on their children like paddles leave, they would be in court. We can’t hit our employees, our spouses, our neighbors or even our neighbor’s dog, why should we allow hitting of children with boards in school?

By Jenn

December 11, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

We can thank the courts and Dr. Spock for all of this. We have become a society that cannot allow our children to be disappointed in any way shape or form. We now give trophies to everyone in childrens sports whether they won or lost. They are all winners! Our children do not understand disappointment, and they are not prepared for the real world which is full of disappiontments. I see it everyday, kids pitching a fit because something did not happen the way the were expecting.

By what have we created?

December 11, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

Today people are afraid to step outside the little box the government has given us. Being politically correct has sent us spiraling downward to a place I can’t happily call the American way of life. The kids are pansies…we are afraid of hurting their little feelings…we coddle them until they expect”praise” for doing the simplest of things. Now days they are rewarded for just DOING their homework….when instead they should be EXPECTED to do their homework and get good grades on it too.

By BusDriver

December 11, 2007 11:34 AM | Link to this

I am a bus driver. When the new kindergarteners first start school…they are told that if they don’t follow the rules and behave, they will be sent to the prinicpal’s office. They then ask “what happens there?”…and the older kids respond by saying, “nothing really, he just talks to you or they call your parents”. That sends chills down my spine. A visit to the principal’s office use to mean a severe punishment, now the kids just shrug their shoulders.

By Randy

December 11, 2007 11:32 AM | Link to this

Is this what they call “Executive Clemency?”

By Terry

December 11, 2007 11:31 AM | Link to this

Corporal punishment in schools occured when I was there in the 60’s.We had a Dean of Boys/Girls and they along with the paddling, deterred bad behavior.Since the schools removed corporal punishment, behavior is out of control Some students abuse the teachers/admin. and laugh at the pathetic system that is in place now. It is a joke and the kids know it. Funny how the military( which is also getting soft since I was in)can take a group of people and motivate by fear to render conformance to rules

By Adam

December 11, 2007 10:59 AM | Link to this

Being a teacher, I have some experience with students and behavior problems. I have seen numerous times when something like a paddling would have worked wonders. I have also seen the other side where a paddling would have made the situation worse for the student and te educator. Schools aren’t aloud to use any real punishment anymore, but are then blamed when the behavior in the school is not adequate. Parents should be allowed to decide if they want the school to punish or not. Not the state.

By judy

December 11, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

i remember being in school,being paddled,hip hurting all day.when my children went to school,one had gas,was threatened of a paddleling and suspension.i promised to take that paddle and contact the school board.it was’nt happening.

By Teacher

December 11, 2007 10:40 AM | Link to this

No way it should be banned. There is such a lack of discipline in schools these days its crazy. Kids do whatever they want with no fear of punishment (sorry, I don’t consider sitting in “time out” as punishment). Principles should be allowed to beat the p**s out of unruly kids. Maybe that would stop all the school shootings we’ve been seeing lately. I would even support using tazers on kids instead if it would be less damaging on their prescious little “feelings.”

By Benny D

December 11, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

My wife, a former teacher, reminds me that when they were allowed to punish, including paddling, students, they rarely had to do it. Students knew it was a possibility and therefore didn’t challenge the teacher. Today, the student can do pretty much whatever they want knowing they will not be severely punished by the teacher, the principal, and probabably even, their parents.

By BillieD

December 11, 2007 10:38 AM | Link to this

Don’t they have more pressing issues to confront at the State House? What a joke!

By Jim 5

December 11, 2007 10:35 AM | Link to this

I do not support paddling in school. However, the State of Ohio seizing more authority over local school districts is the wrong answer. Ohio’s poor school performance started because the Supreme Court became outraged at “rich” school districts spending too much on education, and put an end to local control (and the means for troubled communities to improve themselves). Has this improved education standards for anyone? Now, the Nanny State wants more control via Big Brother Ted.

By controlled punishment

December 11, 2007 10:34 AM | Link to this

If more parents would spank their children for doing wrong, then there would be less delinquent children out there today. Ask any corrections officer in the juvenile system if most of the cases he sees in one day would have never happened if the parents would have just busted his hind-end once in a while when he really needed it. He would say YES. Ask any cop that has shown up on a domestic dispute call where the teenager is unruly and out of control if he thinks that child should be spanked.

By Paul

December 11, 2007 10:30 AM | Link to this

What “research shows the punishment is counterproductive, does not change behavior”? When I was in school paddling occurred as needed - and was a BIG factor in my behavioral choices. Now we waste the kids’ and faculty’s time with “in-school suspensions”, which only get kids out oc class. In my view MORE paddling would lead to less bevior problems - and more time spent LEARNING.

By A Parent

December 11, 2007 10:26 AM | Link to this

If the law would let us paddle once in a while at home, then it would not be needed at school!

By Daphne

December 11, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

I for one refuse to allow a school employee to paddle my child. If my child deserves a paddling as punishment, I will go to the school and let them watch “me” the parent administer the paddling. If I can’t paddle my child without fear of jail time, do you really think I am going to allow a someone who “does not” love my child hit them…I think not!!!

By Harvey

December 11, 2007 10:09 AM | Link to this

By golly, back in my day, we got paddled on general principles every day … and WE LIKED IT! Kids today are nothing more than pampered bullies who have no regard for human life. Glad I got rid of mine when I did.

By Sailor

December 11, 2007 10:05 AM | Link to this

Being over 60 now loss of memory is setting in I will never forget being paddled in school and receiving my undeserved punishment from a stranger. I for one Do Not agree with paddling in schools. Under the Law a parent is forbidden to punish there own child at home with a paddling and can be put in jail. How can a under payed over worked teacher be mentally stable enough to paddle a child and be legally excempt while the parent must face court or jail.

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