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GANGS IN THE MIAMI VALLEY
Evidence of gangs shockingly clear
Miami Valley law enforcement agencies are seeing an increase in activity
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> Evidence of gangs shockingly clear
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Sunday, February 17, 2008
DAYTON — Months after 16-year-old Anthony Dyer's naked and beaten body was found along Wolf Creek in 1997, homicide investigators pieced together charges against Dayron J. Talbott, whose gang name was "Psycho."
Talbott and six others charged in Dyer's death belonged to a Dayton-based street gang called Folks.
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Levy K. Smith, 23, of Dayton briefly escaped police custody last month after his indictment on federal charges of cocaine and firearms possession.
He is a member of Diamond Cut, an organization Dayton police identify as a gang.
Reginald "Reddy Baby" Battle, 25, of Dayton is a rapper under federal indictment on drug and weapons charges.
He admits to membership in a "street team" called Dope Boy Mafia or DBM. Battle says DBM is a nationally known rap group.
For more than a decade, law enforcement and civic leaders in the Miami Valley have debated, denied, downplayed and at times acknowledged street gang activity, often sending the public a contradictory message.
Seldom has the subject come up — even after a seemingly high profile gang-related crime — without an official cautionary statement that criminal gangs in the Dayton area are somehow less threatening than in other regions of the state or country, leaving the impression that the issue locally is less urgent.
A five-month Dayton Daily News examination of area gang activity tells a different story. Gangs are well-entrenched in the Dayton area. In the last decade, local law enforcement agencies have connected assaults, drug trafficking, shootings and homicides to more than a dozen local street gangs. One, the Greenwich Village Clique or GVC, is known to operate in the neighborhood around Waymire and Bohemian avenues, where the bodies of 17-year-old Tearron "Kool-Aid" Daniel and 16-year-old DeAngelo Jackson were found shot to death on the same corner three years apart.
The message "RIP Kool-Aid, GVC, 3/17/05" is still spray-painted in green on the side of a boarded-up house near where Daniel's body was found.
"It's what you would consider an epidemic," Henry Guy Jones III said of local gang activity. Jones, who served four years in prison on gang charges, is a former member of the Disciple House Gangsters, a Dayton-based offshoot of the famed Chicago street gang Gangster Disciples.
"The gang situation in Dayton is real," Jones said. "More new gangs are created in Dayton all the time."
Signs of a gang problem in Dayton are becoming harder to ignore. The Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction identified 316 gang members from Montgomery County who are inmates in the state's prison system — about 10 percent of those committed in a recent year.
Dayton police have identified local gang members who are as young as 11 years old — the equivalent of a fifth-grader — and they suspect there are girls forming and belonging to gangs.
At MySpace.com, police recently found photographs of local teens who identify themselves as high school students and "D-CUT" or Diamond Cut girls. They are quick to flash the D-CUT hand sign — middle and index fingers held tip to tip that form the shape of a diamond — that identifies them as members of Diamond Cut.
Gangs are also becoming more media savvy, camouflaging their activities and attracting the young by using affiliated hip hop groups, chatting on Internet social networks and communicating from text messages rather than through old-school coded graffiti that police and the FBI have learned to decipher.
In other words, they're becoming harder to catch.
"They're criminal enterprises and they are expanding their territory," Eric Thomas, FBI supervisory senior resident agent in the Dayton regional office, said of the gangs operating here. "People need to be aware of the situation."
A Who's Who of gangs
Periods of gang proliferation in this country are nothing new. A 1998 report by the U.S. Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency traced youth gangs in the United States as early as the 1780s, with spikes in gang activity usually observed during shifts in population or economic climate.
"I don't think too much has changed (in gang culture). Are gangs now more violent? No. Better weapons, yes," said A. Scott Washington, a former member of the Crips in Los Angeles who now is a special assistant in the office of Judge A. J. Wagner of Montgomery County Common Pleas Court.
The Ohio Revised Code defines a gang as group of three or more persons who have a common name, one or more common identifying signs, symbols or colors and "the person in the organization, association or group individually or collectively engage in or have engaged in a pattern or criminal gang activity." The code also says that participating in a criminal gang is a second-degree felony.
Harris Tay says the conditions that attract young people to gangs elsewhere are visible here.
"Really it comes down to a breakdown in community. (These kids) want structure and discipline so they'll find community somewhere," said Tay, who tutors mostly preteens at the Western Manor recreation center, 1718 N. James H. McGee Blvd. "If your father ain't there, you always got that brotherhood" that gangs seem to provide.
Dayton doesn't have the same kinds of gang problems that plague cities like Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles or even Columbus. In fact, some community activists blame most local gang-related crime on kids imitating gang life.
"A lot of this (gang) stuff is overblown," said the Rev. Tommie Stewart, who heads Northwest Weed and Seed. "Most of these kids are just wannabe gang members."
Still, the Dayton-based gangs identified by state prison investigators represent a Who's Who of street gangs that make headlines in big cities across the country: Aryan Brotherhood, Crips, Bloods, Folks and People Nation. They also identified 18 independent gangs from Dayton and Montgomery County.
Since most inmates eventually come home, prison gang ties can become neighborhood gang ties. Between Jan. 1 and Aug. 14 of last year, state prisons released 142 gang members back to the county.
FBI agent Tim Ferguson said some of the local gangs that operate here originate in places like Chicago and Los Angeles
"We do have (individuals) that are claiming to be Bloods who come from (Chicago)," he said.
Tracking gang activity
As recently as October 2004, Dayton police continued to publicly deny organized gangs were a problem. When media reports at that time suggested people were being mugged downtown as part of gang initiations, retired Dayton Police Director Julian Davis, then Deputy Director Wanda Smith and others downplayed the information.
"There is no evidence that gang activity exists downtown," Lt. Matt Carper, who commands the Central Business District, told the Daily News at the time. "If you think there is, show me the evidence."
Two years later, law enforcement agencies began working behind the scenes to deal with street gangs.
In the summer of 2006, Dayton police received a $98,533 Anti-Gang Initiative grant from the Justice Department, part of a $30 million pool to support new or expanded anti-gang efforts nationwide.
The grant application the department submitted revealed a level of gang activity that hadn't been discussed publicly.
"In recent years, the city of Dayton has seen a resurgence in activity of national and local motorcycle gangs including: The Outlaws, Black Pistons, and Renegades," the 2006-08 Anti-Gang Initiative application stated. "Also, we have identified members of MS-13 in the city of Dayton with the growth of our Hispanic and South American population."
MS-13 is a notorious — and ultraviolent — Los Angeles-based street gang.
"All these gangs deal in narcotics, vandalism and violence including murder," the application stated.
Thanks to the grant, police can better track gang activity. Dayton Police Detective Chad Knight, who heads the Dayton program, said police are photographing gang graffiti, cataloging distinctive tattoos on suspected gang members, collecting biographical information and regularly monitoring chat rooms and Internet traffic.
"We have started doing special assignments in areas where gang activity has been reported by using gang grant funding," said Knight's supervisor, Maj. Mitch Davis.
Police say gang-related violence here tends to erupt over drug turf, rivalries or, in some cases, false information about someone's involvement in another incident. By focusing on patterns of activity, police can identify which gangs congregate in a particular part of town.
For example, Dayton police say members of Dope Boy Mafia hang out in the Fifth Police District, an area bounded by North Main Street, Salem Avenue, James H. McGee Boulevard, Riverview, Gettysburg and Siebenthaler avenues. Police have connected numerous incidents at Third and Main streets downtown to members of the so-called Gangster Disciples. The GVC seems to operate in an area west of North Gettysburg Avenue in the city's northwest quadrant.
Over time, they hope to use the information to make a dent in gang-related street crime.
Gang activity hasn't only been identified in the city. Last May, the FBI started the Miami Valley Gang Initiative, which helps Miami Valley-area police agencies better coordinate efforts to suppress gang activity.
"They start out as wannabes and then over time, they grow," Trotwood Sgt. Erik Wilson said of local youth joining gangs. "With the initiative, we're going to stop them from growing to being where we have a major gang problem out here. When I say here, I'm talking Miami Valley."
Color codes and T-shirts
Just before 2 p.m. on Sept. 14, a fight broke out on the first floor of Dunbar High School. As police could best tell, four young men trespassed onto school property and attacked a 17-year-old boy. There were reports of guns.
Nobody was hurt and no guns were found, but the incident was a reminder that gang activities don't happen only on streets and in neighborhoods. They also happen in schools.
Staff and school security told police the fight was gang-related. When the school at 2222 Richley Ave. let out for the day, students lingering in the parking lot became disorderly. There were hard looks and stares as vehicles loaded with non-students pulled into the lot, according to police.
When the situation became more heated, police hastily left the scene with the suspects in custody "to help defuse the situation," police said.
Harry Frisby, security chief for Dayton Public Schools, said Dunbar banned red and black T-shirts because they started seeing large groups of students coming to school wearing those colors. The color of a T-shirt can be viewed as a gang membership card.
"The principal felt it was a safety issue," said Frisby, who spent 20 years as a Cincinnati police officer and detective before a 10-year stint as security chief for Cincinnati Public Schools.
Police say even local gangs have their own colors: black and white for Dope Boy Mafia, black for GVC and red for Diamond Cut. Frisby said some students layer themselves with multiple colored T-shirts, peeling one off when in a certain part of town.
Officials aren't concerned only about gang activities involving high school students. Police reports indicate that many members of the GVC attend Fairview Middle School, 2408 Philadelphia Ave., which has grades six through eight.
Because of gang problems in schools, Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann last year developed the Ohio Criminal Gang Prevention Curriculum for high schools, with a separate curriculum for elementary schools. The guide provides information on gangs and suggestions for helping students choose a different path.
Recent studies indicate gang members outnumber police nationwide 2.3 to 1 (10,000 police for every 23,000 gang members), according to the attorney general's report. It estimated that 780,000 gang members were on U.S. streets in 2000, and another 700,000 in jails and prisons.
"Young people really miss the point of how dangerous gangs are," Frisby said.
But, "We have a handle on what's going on. Our students should not have to learn in fear. We will prevail over this whole situation."
'It's like a movement'
Gang programs have come and gone through the years. Montgomery County Prosecutor Mathias Heck Jr. began a regional gang effort in the late 1990s, but he said it ended in 2002 as a separate state gang initiative began and no local reports of gang activity came to his office.
Dayton's gangs, Heck said, are more loose-knit than some of those in bigger cities. Although his office has prosecuted few gang cases, when police present them, he said, "We'd be glad to cooperate."
Federal investigators have intensified their gang efforts in recent years, in part because of grants from the Justice Department.
Thomas said the FBI has five to 10 sealed indictments locally in conjunction with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms that allege charges stemming from drug trafficking to federal firearms violations involving 20 to 30 individuals who belong to multiple gangs.
Ten federal indictments in two separate cases last year alleged drug dealing among members of two suspected local gangs: Dope Boy Mafia and Diamond Cut.
In the Diamond Cut case, Dayton police busted a drug house in the 2700 block of North Main Street.
A grand jury indicted six people, each sporting a gang tattoo featuring "D-Cut" written in script on their left wrist.
In the second case, four suspected Dope Boy Mafia members were indicted on charges related to maintaining residences in Dayton and elsewhere to distribute crack cocaine. Police seized nine firearms.
Diamond Cut's founder, Clarence "Chaos" Winn, vehemently denies his group is a gang. "It's like a movement," he said.
Dope Boy Mafia members — some of them musicians — also deny their group is a street gang. Police believe DBM and others use the music industry to camouflage illegal activity.
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I remember this story and I still have a tape by Akil the rapper that told the story about this young brother. I grew up in the city when the black kid’s had Skateland downtown that kept me and a lot of us out of trouble. As soon as Skateland was closed and the old WDAO FM was taken off the air. This is when all dope came pouring into the black community of the city. Conscious Hip Hop was censored,which has a played a role in this problem.So now all you hear is all this distorted madness
By Maddog
May 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Link to this
How did Michael Ford get hired by the U.S. Government at the VA if he is a felon?
By Young Bread Getter
May 19, 2008 10:53 AM | Link to this
D-CUT NO GANG ITS PLAIN WE ALL RAPPERS!!! ITS A MUSICAL MOVEMENT AND WE SHOULD BE TREATED AS SO.YES SOME WHO ARE IN THE RAP GROUP D-CUT HAVE CHOSE TO GO DOWN THE WRONG ROAD BUT PEOPLE DO EVERYDAY…DOES THAT MAKE THEM GANG MEMBERS??? YOU PEOPLE ARE PUTTING A TAG ON US LIKE WE ARE SOME TYPE OF ANIMAL.WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING IN MUSIC WITCH WE LOVE!!I AM A ARTIST NOT A GANG MEMBER!! FAM FIRST ENT. IS OUR RECORD LABEL..DIAMOND CUT IS NO GANG!! DZZZZZ UP!!
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D-CUT NO GANG ITS PLAIN WE ALL RAPPERS!!! ITS A MUSICAL MOVEMENT AND WE SHOULD BE TREATED AS SO.YES SOME WHO ARE IN THE RAP GROUP D-CUT HAVE CHOSE TO GO DOWN THE WRONG ROAD BUT PEOPLE DO EVERYDAY…DOES THAT MAKE THEM GANG MEMBERS??? YOU PEOPLE ARE PUTTING A TAG ON US LIKE WE ARE SOME TYPE OF ANIMAL.WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING IN MUSIC WITCH WE LOVE!!I AM A ARTIST NOT A GANG MEMBER!! FAM FIRST ENT. IS OUR RECORD LABEL..DIAMOND CUT IS NO GANG!! DZZZZZ UP!!
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D-CUT NO GANG ITS PLAIN WE ALL RAPPERS!!! ITS A MUSICAL MOVEMENT AND WE SHOULD BE TREATED AS SO.YES SOME WHO ARE IN THE RAP GROUP D-CUT HAVE CHOSE TO GO DOWN THE WRONG ROAD BUT PEOPLE DO EVERYDAY…DOES THAT MAKE THEM GANG MEMBERS??? YOU PEOPLE ARE PUTTING A TAG ON US LIKE WE ARE SOME TYPE OF ANIMAL.WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING IN MUSIC WITCH WE LOVE!!I AM A ARTIST NOT A GANG MEMBER!! FAM FIRST ENT. IS OUR RECORD LABEL..DIAMOND CUT IS NO GANG!! DZZZZZ UP!!
By gj
May 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
i am from dayton grad of dunbar high school i now live in san diego,ca and i must say dayton dose not have gangs. the so called gangs in dayton are fake wana be’s. i bet all of you that none of the so called gangs would not last a day in L.A. YOUR GANGS IN DAYTON ARE FAKE AND NOT AT ALL REAL. STOP LETTING THEM THINK THEY ARE SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON’T NO WHAT IT’S LIKE TO WAKE UP AND HAVE TO DRESS DEPENDING WHAT SIDE OF THE CITY YOUR ON THAT DAY. IF YOU WANT TO SEE REAL GANGS COME TO CALI
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May 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Link to this
i am from dayton grad of dunbar high school i now live in san diego,ca and i must say dayton dose not have gangs. the so called gangs in dayton are fake wana be’s. i bet all of you that none of the so called gangs would not last a day in L.A. YOUR GANGS IN DAYTON ARE FAKE AND NOT AT ALL REAL. STOP LETTING THEM THINK THEY ARE SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON’T NO WHAT IT’S LIKE TO WAKE UP AND HAVE TO DRESS DEPENDING WHAT SIDE OF THE CITY YOUR ON THAT DAY. IF YOU WANT TO SEE REAL GANGS COME TO CALI
By DJ Biz E Bee
May 6, 2008 11:10 AM | Link to this
If the local government would take action as opposed to turning the other cheek, this wouldn’t be going on like it is. I don’t mean the po-po’z but the elected city officials. Everytime I come home I ride up 3rd St and see all the empty lots and condemned buildings. It’s a total heartbreaker for me. Take all the convicts, put them on a prison plane, drop them in Baghdad and if they survive then they get probation when they return. Go get your turf war on and sell your dope there!
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May 6, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this
I thought Iraq was bad, but Dayton’s off the chain now. Never had a problem at home… in any area within Daytons city limits. Growing up in Westwood, we used to go all directions and have fun where ever we stopped. Young peeps doing ya thang… I DJ now in Houston and will play a dedicated song to the craziness at home now… Every party will start with “DRS”-Gansta Lean. If your old school you should know the song. Just to set the record straight, yes I still do come home. C Ya soon!!!
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By motherof4
March 11, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
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By Charla
March 10, 2008 1:27 AM | Link to this
You call a person who was shot to death in front of a house you own an idiot, and you say that Dayton has a black crime problem. I say you have a problem and its called discrimination. Dayton has a CRIME problem period, and blacks are not the only ones participating in it. And if you have such a problem with black people, why do you rent to them. Obviously they are good enough for you to collect rent from.
By weed dilla
March 5, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
all of you need to stop harpin on da d-cut just because we deal drugs doesn’t mean that we are bad people we are just kids tryin to make a quick dollar so everybody that has an opposition to us F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By weed dilla
March 5, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this
all of you need to stop harpin on da d-cut just because we deal drugs doesn’t mean that we are bad people we are just kids tryin to make a quick dollar so everybody that has an opposition to us F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Billy White
March 5, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this
Dayton has a real Black Crime problem.
Everyone but the deaf, dumb & blind know this & see it. If you live on the West Side, You Know.. I have a rental home with a memorial placed in front where some idiot was gunned down with an AK 47. Not the easiest house to rent.
To Hell with the excuses, the Enabling parents, irresponsible parents allowing TV & thugs raise their kids. You cant fix Stupid.
By sissy2004
February 21, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this
Thanks Charla.. :)
By sissy2004
February 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this
Wu Banger at your age(40) how can you say you still have a connection? I hope the connection you have is a positive one, meaning motivating young black men to do better and not be a statistic. You see you can make a difference but will you in a positive way. You are a man with education and hopefully doing something with it. MAKE A DIFFERENCE, your older, wiser and know better.
By Wu Banger
February 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this
I was in a gang whwn I was younger. I was/ am a CRIP. And although I am 40 years old now I still have an affiliation and connection with my set. I was a gang member in college. I went to prison and that only strengthened my gang involvement in Dayton. Dayton’s gangs are still cliques, more or less, not the classical milti generational gangs of the west. But with the infusion of better organized and better bankrolled Latino gangs, there are huge problems on the horizon.
By Mother4
February 20, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this
I am tired of the race card. But we as Parents must educate our children in the right way. I am a black mother and I dare not play the race card or allow it in my home. I raise my kids with the understanding that the choices they make in life can have grave affect on their lives. I am also a mother of a self proclaimed D-Cut member. And like I have always said they are a GANG..And my son had a choice to make. Parents lay down the law and stick with it. Dont allow someone else to have their mind.
By Righteous_1
February 20, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this
The serious change will come when the black males get invovled. You know us women may be able to seize opprotunities. Or make the best out of not so good opportunities…..I mean being accountable is completely different than blame. As a community, we have to approach and deal with this impediment our young men face. They are ameica’s most wanted. There is a wieght on their shoulders. We need the black men that have seized opportunities to stand up and support our brothers in need.
By Charla
February 20, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this
Sissy. I e-mailed you the answer to your question.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this
Ok what is your secret? how do you type long messages without being cut off? I can only type so many characters.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this
charla don’t get me wrong there were ocassions when my mother defended me when I was right. I didn’t say adults & teachers are always right but parents can know their kid is wrong and still act a fool with adults & teachers. We all have to make a stand for ourselves as we grow up and expecially during school years. This is the time we most likely are challenged and if you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything. There’s was nothing wrong with you defending yourself.
By Charla
February 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this
I guess my mother was one of those ignorant mothers than, because there were several occasions where my mother went up to the school and defended my actions. What ended up as success, started out as a tragedy in my case. Despite my mothers attempts to keep me from acting out, I was one of the biggest problems in my school. I fought often, and had altercations with teachers, but despite that, my mother believed in me, and if the teacher was in the wrong, she defended my actions. I had a teacher tell me that I would never graduate, and that I would never make anything of myself, she defended me when I argued back with her. When you have a teacher telling a child something like that, it can either tear them down or build them up. In my case, it built me up and I did what I had to do to prove them wrong. Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t fight often because I was a bully, but I was picked on often, and sometimes that’s what it takes to get people off of your back. I think it’s sad when kids like myself are forced to be a certain way because of others actions. I was forced to solve my problems with violence in order to show bullies that I was not one to be bullied, sadly it worked, and my problems went away. The teachers and principles can only do so much; they can’t suspend a kid forever, when they come back, the cycle states over. Like I said, society can have a huge affect on children.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this
Charla good point. We can’t focus on the racial slurs because that only makes us stop and pay attention to something that will distract us from the main purpose, “a change in the black community”. When I was growing up they had a program in the schools called “SCARED STRAIGHT” for kids they thought might be headed in the wrong direction. It worked most of the time. This was time when majority of black cared and took part in their community. Unfortunately there are not a lot of them left.
By Charla
February 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
I’m not saying there is no work to be done, but pointing fingers and throwing racial slurs around is not going to solve anything. I can honestly say that I’ve seen more of the people I grew up with turn out successfully than those who did not. But like I said, there were a lot more constructive things to do back then as well. Locking young black males up and throwing away the key is not the answer. If it is being done to try and get others to choose a different path, it is not working. Instead, people are doing whatever it takes not to get caught, including killing those that they think may lead to their demise. I said before that I think the dealers area as addicted to fast money, as the addicts are to the drug, and they need help too. Prison is a school for criminals, they learn from others, and masters their craft for when they are released. Not to mention, most gang members join gangs while in jail, so how is locking everyone up helping. The police need to use criminals to their advantage, and let them teach them how it is they do what they do so well, in order to put a stop to the problem. If you are not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this
Charla the key word in your statement is “I did everything in my power to raise them right”. A lot of these kids come from parent(s)/parent that don’t do everything in their power to raise them right. If an adult or school teacher comes down on the child for being disrespecting or acting a fool, here comes the ignorant mother fighting the adult or school official. Adults use to be united in raising children. This is how is was when I was raised in Dayton. We need to get back to our roots
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this
Rightgeous, excellent point. I believe we can make a difference if we get involved. Starting with the corner store that sells drug messages, and promotes violence is a small move but still a move in the right direction. Having neighborhood meetings and being vigilant as a neighborHOOD would be excellent. Cleaning up our yards and parks so our kids have something decent to look at is a start. This sends a message to the state, city, community and government officials we are serious
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this
Charla I applaud you. One of many who have been successful. All I’m saying is your triumph and success does not eliminate the on going tragedy that is in the black community of Dayton and the world. How many people in the community do you honestly think has your lifestyle and up bringing? we see them everyday and lock are doors so they don’t jack us. I’m sorry, but there is much work to be done so that people have the same opportunity and outlook as we do.
By Righteous_1
February 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this
This issue of gangs most affects the community. And, we are the ones that should work on correcting it. Simply, placing blame does not provide any solutions. While families should be held responsible for they don’t do and these young men should be equally held responsible for their actions. Looking into why, they join would greatly help. Relying on the police to do it, really won’t help because they are reactive. And, most black people don’t trust them…To get things done, we must be pro-active
By Charla
February 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this
I had my first child at 18 and so did my mother. Our children have not gone astray, because all young parents are not bad parents. Someone else left a comment stating that black mothers don’t raise there children, they send them off to be raised by their grandmother. My problem with these posts is the stereotyping; not all single mothers are black, my mother was one, and she’s white, and you can’t tell me that a white woman has never given custody of her children to her mother. Despite being a single mother, my mother raised her kids right, some of us went to college, others didn’t but none of us turned out to be hoodlums, and we grew up in the heart of the west side. I am a young, single parent, and I will graduate from college this June, and my children are doing just fine, but that’s not to say that they won’t decide to have a mind of their own one day, and do everything they were taught not to. Right now I keep them at arms length at all times, if they are not with me they are with family who does the same, but I will not always have this authority over them, like all parents, all I can do is hope they choose the right path, and if they don’t how can I justifiably be blamed when I did everything in my power to steer them in the right direction. We can’t always blame the parent, because sometimes society is to blame.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this
Charla of course the store owners don’t want they neighborhoods cleaned up but the community has the right to stop the nonsense that they sell in these corners stores that promote drugs and violence. We have a voice. I guarantee you that if a stop N Go in the burbs sold a t’shirt that said “pillsbury dope boy” the neighborhood/community would give them hell and boycott their stores which in turn would make them lose money. This sends a message that we care about our community
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this
Charla true parents can’t be there 24/7 and some kids do go a stray. In the black community the kids you see now that are running rapid like animals, majority are the product of young parent(s), most likely parent, who were children themselves trying to raise a child. All I’m saying is WE’VE got to do better in our parenting, neighborhoods and community. No one will give a hoot if you don’t. Police only do what their job requires if the community and race of a people don’t care.
By Charla
February 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this
The store owners are not the answer, they don’t want the neighborhood cleaned up because then they loose business. When I lived on the west side as a child, there were community centers to go to and activities to keep you out of the streets, if that was your choice. The public school system is a major downfall for the youth. They have cut out all of the activities that kept us busy as a child, yet they have money to build new schools. I would rather my child attend a school that is not in the best shape appearance wise, then to have sports, band, and teachers cut due to “lack of funding”. If there is no money for books, and extracurricular activities, then there should be none for remodeling and rebuilding projects. That should be the least of their concerns, considering most of the public schools and charter schools are under either academic emergency or academic watch.
By Charla
February 20, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this
Of course disciplining a child starts at home, but we cannot always blame the parents. Many a child that came from a good home, went to private school, and had parents that did everything they could to lead their child down the right path, end up doing just the opposite of what they were taught. If the presidents daughter can get caught in a bar drinking under age, while under constant surveillance, anyone’s child can end up doing things that their parents don’t approve off, you can not stay with a child 24/7. Yes, you can TRY to keep up with who they hang out with, and what they are doing, but the friend you think is so innocent; can be the one that leads them down the path that ends them up in a gang. Kids show you the side of them they want you to see, not the side that they know will land them in trouble. And CT_wolf sounds racist because he is. If he was fed up with crime and “hoodlums” them he would not have played the race card. I’m sick of crime in the city too, but black people are not the only criminals, and they are definitely not the only hoodlums.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this
It is true that gangs come in all colors but I’m telling you Dayton is notorious for the black gangs and hoodlums running wild. If we don’t acknowledge the truth then we can’t do anything about it. We have to be an advocate in our communities. Make small stores and other public service place that get rich off the negative, stand and be accounted for their role in the community. Don’t stand for it anymore. Voice your concerns to these store owners and to your neighbor. Be united.
By Charla
February 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
There is a possibility that all this article has done is glorified gangs. Despite the negativity that was spoken of, and the sentences that have been handed down for these crimes; what stands out the most to a young reader, is the large picture of a young black male, nicely dressed, wearing expensive jewelry, with a hit single. Although he says that D-Cut is not a gang, if the youth don’t believe him, and they want to live his lifestyle, this article has showed them that it is one worth living. Not to mention, other gangs may want to be the next ones in the limelight; therefore, they will do whatever it takes to get the next three page spread.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this
I know CT sounds racist but I think he is feedup like most people. I’m black and I’m sick of too. These hoodlums that run rapid and cause havoc are out of hand. Who is to blame? THE PARENTS and most like Parent (singular). Take control of our community and be a vital part of rebuilding what once beautiful. If it starts at home the outcome is better. The police only care as much as you care and if you don’t care the police only do their job. Dayton needs zoning for residential areas/business
By TN
February 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this
The real problem begins with poor (or no) parenting, lack of a mentoring educational system, poor city goverment (no consistent approach to governing), poor (or no) law enforcement and the lack of involved citizens (everyone close to problems turn their heads the other way). And above all else, everyone wants more for less and it’s always someone else’s problem/fault!
By Charla
February 20, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this
CT_wolf. Does this master plan you concocted include white gang members? What if a white gang member kills a black person, do you think that they should be given a fast trial and execution? People can’t be as blind and ignorant as they appear in these comments they are leaving. You have to be a complete idiot to think that there are no white gangs, or maybe you are a member of one yourself, skin head sound familiar to you?. Wake up people!! Do you really think that the black race will eventually kill itself out of existence? I guess as a racist, you would love to see that happen; well it’s not going to. I bet all of you racist hiding behind these false names smile in the faces of black people everyday; some of you probably work for someone black and have to kiss their a** daily, if you don’t, I hope you do one day.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this
The police can only do so much and don’t blam the media they report the story as it is. It’s your neighborhoods and your community. When I visited Dayton I went to a Stop N Go and I couldn’t believe my eyes, they had t’shirts in there and I started to buy on to take back home to my husband. It had a picture of the pillsbury dough boy, but the most startling thing was it said “The Pillsbury Dope Boy” and I thought how ignorant. Why wouldn’t people in this community be outraged.
By TN
February 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this
Most of it is race related. That’s why the majority (not all) happens on the west side! The police are scared of these gangs and that’s why they’ve denied their existence. Beyond that if when they do address it the Black leaders start to claim bigotry. Plus, everyone that’s a bystander (witness) refuse to talk to the police. How can the city be “cleaned up”, if there’s no witnesses? And you morons that are bashing Bush and Nafta, etc. You are as much the problem as gangs them selves. …
By Alicia
February 20, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this
The real problem here is the media who constantly promotes racism, hysteria, and ignorance in an attempt to get people’s attention. Why did the Dayton Daily News even do this story in the first place? And even more, why use a picture of an African-American man? Wouldn’t it be better to promote the positive actions the communities are doing rather than all this hype that will undoubtedly do more harm than good? This article will not stop gang activity, only make people more fearful and racist.
By sissy2004
February 20, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this
I’m a African American women originally from Dayton butI moved when I was 18.I am now 44 and when I visit it’s digusting the way these thugs run things.I remember the beauty of Dayton when I was coming up but it looks like a hell whole now and no one is to blame but the deadbeat young fathers and the crackhead young mothers.If some of the people in Dayton took one sentence from Bill Cosby rant about the black community you might be able raise men/women instead of hoodlums & Future welfare/recipi
By Retired Dummy
February 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this
As a retired member of a “gang” from Dayton, I can understand or remember now why I joined in the first place. The hatred and discuss from the everyday “intelligent citizen” is mind blowing. While you try to impress one another with your IQ’s you are loosing your childern and your streets to the gangs. It is not a race issue by any means. As a dumb (non-MESA member) gang member I was smart enough to leave Dayton.
By CT_Wolf
February 20, 2008 2:05 AM | Link to this
Why waste time and money trying to rehab these monsters? or to lock them up? It would be better for all just to let then kill each other off. The problem would correct itself rather quickly. Should a White person get killed by one of these gangs, they should be hunted down, caught, given a fast trial and even faster execution. I’m so sick and tired of liberals trying to help these two legged bags of sub human garbage.