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By duchos

May 1, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

By Mr Bill White

April 30, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Ask any Cop which are the busiest precincts with the most violent crime… Dayton has a BLACK Crime problem AND this is an epidemic around the country

75% of black births are to single moms now, thats a crisis

Far as Im concerned, the Black community needs More gun stores & more Liquor stores.
Operation Neighborhood Cleanup. Let them kill on another.

Dont blame the media, or the schools, or the government, or Bush or the alien space invaders. Blame the Parents, & parenting or lackof

By duchos

April 24, 2008 3:58 AM | Link to this

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April 17, 2008 3:29 AM | Link to this

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By la mara salva rider x13

April 12, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

ms-13 is on the rise in dayton we are taking a foothold in the drug-trade as well as weapons trafficking concerned citizens nor the f**king doughnut munching mothaf**kin cops is gonna stop us it’s hilarious how you guy think you can stop gangs in dayton mara slavatrucha will stop them and we will take over dayton hilarious isn’t it?

By la mara salva rider x13

April 12, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

ms-13 is on the rise in dayton we are taking a foothold in the drug-trade as well as weapons trafficking concerned citizens nor the f**king doughnut munching mothaf**kin cops is gonna stop us it’s hilarious how you guy think you can stop gangs in dayton mara slavatrucha will stop them and we will take over dayton hilarious isn’t it?

By scuko

April 12, 2008 3:27 PM | Link to this

By Lacii Baby

March 25, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Do you think society is doing enough to keep young people out of gang

By motherof4

March 11, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Billy White Now you are a total idiot for making comments like that. had it been one of your relatives that had been gunned down He or She would not have been idiots they would have been victims. Dont Disregard or Disrespect the Family of the Victim. Show a little compassion if you have it in you.

By Charla

March 10, 2008 1:27 AM | Link to this

You call a person who was shot to death in front of a house you own an idiot, and you say that Dayton has a black crime problem. I say you have a problem and its called discrimination. Dayton has a CRIME problem period, and blacks are not the only ones participating in it. And if you have such a problem with black people, why do you rent to them. Obviously they are good enough for you to collect rent from.

By weed dilla

March 5, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

all of you need to stop harpin on da d-cut just because we deal drugs doesn’t mean that we are bad people we are just kids tryin to make a quick dollar so everybody that has an opposition to us F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By weed dilla

March 5, 2008 3:04 PM | Link to this

all of you need to stop harpin on da d-cut just because we deal drugs doesn’t mean that we are bad people we are just kids tryin to make a quick dollar so everybody that has an opposition to us F**K OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Billy White

March 5, 2008 10:48 AM | Link to this

Dayton has a real Black Crime problem.

Everyone but the deaf, dumb & blind know this & see it. If you live on the West Side, You Know.. I have a rental home with a memorial placed in front where some idiot was gunned down with an AK 47. Not the easiest house to rent.

To Hell with the excuses, the Enabling parents, irresponsible parents allowing TV & thugs raise their kids. You cant fix Stupid.

February 21, 2008 11:15 AM | Link to this

Thanks Charla.. :)

February 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Link to this

Wu Banger at your age(40) how can you say you still have a connection? I hope the connection you have is a positive one, meaning motivating young black men to do better and not be a statistic. You see you can make a difference but will you in a positive way. You are a man with education and hopefully doing something with it. MAKE A DIFFERENCE, your older, wiser and know better.

By Wu Banger

February 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

I was in a gang whwn I was younger. I was/ am a CRIP. And although I am 40 years old now I still have an affiliation and connection with my set. I was a gang member in college. I went to prison and that only strengthened my gang involvement in Dayton. Dayton’s gangs are still cliques, more or less, not the classical milti generational gangs of the west. But with the infusion of better organized and better bankrolled Latino gangs, there are huge problems on the horizon.

By Mother4

February 20, 2008 11:06 PM | Link to this

I am tired of the race card. But we as Parents must educate our children in the right way. I am a black mother and I dare not play the race card or allow it in my home. I raise my kids with the understanding that the choices they make in life can have grave affect on their lives. I am also a mother of a self proclaimed D-Cut member. And like I have always said they are a GANG..And my son had a choice to make. Parents lay down the law and stick with it. Dont allow someone else to have their mind.

By Righteous_1

February 20, 2008 6:44 PM | Link to this

The serious change will come when the black males get invovled. You know us women may be able to seize opprotunities. Or make the best out of not so good opportunities…..I mean being accountable is completely different than blame. As a community, we have to approach and deal with this impediment our young men face. They are ameica’s most wanted. There is a wieght on their shoulders. We need the black men that have seized opportunities to stand up and support our brothers in need.

By Charla

February 20, 2008 5:46 PM | Link to this

Sissy. I e-mailed you the answer to your question.

February 20, 2008 5:37 PM | Link to this

Ok what is your secret? how do you type long messages without being cut off? I can only type so many characters.

February 20, 2008 5:35 PM | Link to this

charla don’t get me wrong there were ocassions when my mother defended me when I was right. I didn’t say adults & teachers are always right but parents can know their kid is wrong and still act a fool with adults & teachers. We all have to make a stand for ourselves as we grow up and expecially during school years. This is the time we most likely are challenged and if you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything. There’s was nothing wrong with you defending yourself.

By Charla

February 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Link to this

I guess my mother was one of those ignorant mothers than, because there were several occasions where my mother went up to the school and defended my actions. What ended up as success, started out as a tragedy in my case. Despite my mothers attempts to keep me from acting out, I was one of the biggest problems in my school. I fought often, and had altercations with teachers, but despite that, my mother believed in me, and if the teacher was in the wrong, she defended my actions. I had a teacher tell me that I would never graduate, and that I would never make anything of myself, she defended me when I argued back with her. When you have a teacher telling a child something like that, it can either tear them down or build them up. In my case, it built me up and I did what I had to do to prove them wrong. Don’t get me wrong, I didn’t fight often because I was a bully, but I was picked on often, and sometimes that’s what it takes to get people off of your back. I think it’s sad when kids like myself are forced to be a certain way because of others actions. I was forced to solve my problems with violence in order to show bullies that I was not one to be bullied, sadly it worked, and my problems went away. The teachers and principles can only do so much; they can’t suspend a kid forever, when they come back, the cycle states over. Like I said, society can have a huge affect on children.

February 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Link to this

Charla good point. We can’t focus on the racial slurs because that only makes us stop and pay attention to something that will distract us from the main purpose, “a change in the black community”. When I was growing up they had a program in the schools called “SCARED STRAIGHT” for kids they thought might be headed in the wrong direction. It worked most of the time. This was time when majority of black cared and took part in their community. Unfortunately there are not a lot of them left.

By Charla

February 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

I’m not saying there is no work to be done, but pointing fingers and throwing racial slurs around is not going to solve anything. I can honestly say that I’ve seen more of the people I grew up with turn out successfully than those who did not. But like I said, there were a lot more constructive things to do back then as well. Locking young black males up and throwing away the key is not the answer. If it is being done to try and get others to choose a different path, it is not working. Instead, people are doing whatever it takes not to get caught, including killing those that they think may lead to their demise. I said before that I think the dealers area as addicted to fast money, as the addicts are to the drug, and they need help too. Prison is a school for criminals, they learn from others, and masters their craft for when they are released. Not to mention, most gang members join gangs while in jail, so how is locking everyone up helping. The police need to use criminals to their advantage, and let them teach them how it is they do what they do so well, in order to put a stop to the problem. If you are not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

February 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Link to this

Charla the key word in your statement is “I did everything in my power to raise them right”. A lot of these kids come from parent(s)/parent that don’t do everything in their power to raise them right. If an adult or school teacher comes down on the child for being disrespecting or acting a fool, here comes the ignorant mother fighting the adult or school official. Adults use to be united in raising children. This is how is was when I was raised in Dayton. We need to get back to our roots

February 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Link to this

Rightgeous, excellent point. I believe we can make a difference if we get involved. Starting with the corner store that sells drug messages, and promotes violence is a small move but still a move in the right direction. Having neighborhood meetings and being vigilant as a neighborHOOD would be excellent. Cleaning up our yards and parks so our kids have something decent to look at is a start. This sends a message to the state, city, community and government officials we are serious

February 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Link to this

Charla I applaud you. One of many who have been successful. All I’m saying is your triumph and success does not eliminate the on going tragedy that is in the black community of Dayton and the world. How many people in the community do you honestly think has your lifestyle and up bringing? we see them everyday and lock are doors so they don’t jack us. I’m sorry, but there is much work to be done so that people have the same opportunity and outlook as we do.

By Righteous_1

February 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Link to this

This issue of gangs most affects the community. And, we are the ones that should work on correcting it. Simply, placing blame does not provide any solutions. While families should be held responsible for they don’t do and these young men should be equally held responsible for their actions. Looking into why, they join would greatly help. Relying on the police to do it, really won’t help because they are reactive. And, most black people don’t trust them…To get things done, we must be pro-active

By Charla

February 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Link to this

I had my first child at 18 and so did my mother. Our children have not gone astray, because all young parents are not bad parents. Someone else left a comment stating that black mothers don’t raise there children, they send them off to be raised by their grandmother. My problem with these posts is the stereotyping; not all single mothers are black, my mother was one, and she’s white, and you can’t tell me that a white woman has never given custody of her children to her mother. Despite being a single mother, my mother raised her kids right, some of us went to college, others didn’t but none of us turned out to be hoodlums, and we grew up in the heart of the west side. I am a young, single parent, and I will graduate from college this June, and my children are doing just fine, but that’s not to say that they won’t decide to have a mind of their own one day, and do everything they were taught not to. Right now I keep them at arms length at all times, if they are not with me they are with family who does the same, but I will not always have this authority over them, like all parents, all I can do is hope they choose the right path, and if they don’t how can I justifiably be blamed when I did everything in my power to steer them in the right direction. We can’t always blame the parent, because sometimes society is to blame.

February 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Link to this

Charla of course the store owners don’t want they neighborhoods cleaned up but the community has the right to stop the nonsense that they sell in these corners stores that promote drugs and violence. We have a voice. I guarantee you that if a stop N Go in the burbs sold a t’shirt that said “pillsbury dope boy” the neighborhood/community would give them hell and boycott their stores which in turn would make them lose money. This sends a message that we care about our community

February 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Link to this

Charla true parents can’t be there 24/7 and some kids do go a stray. In the black community the kids you see now that are running rapid like animals, majority are the product of young parent(s), most likely parent, who were children themselves trying to raise a child. All I’m saying is WE’VE got to do better in our parenting, neighborhoods and community. No one will give a hoot if you don’t. Police only do what their job requires if the community and race of a people don’t care.

By Charla

February 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Link to this

The store owners are not the answer, they don’t want the neighborhood cleaned up because then they loose business. When I lived on the west side as a child, there were community centers to go to and activities to keep you out of the streets, if that was your choice. The public school system is a major downfall for the youth. They have cut out all of the activities that kept us busy as a child, yet they have money to build new schools. I would rather my child attend a school that is not in the best shape appearance wise, then to have sports, band, and teachers cut due to “lack of funding”. If there is no money for books, and extracurricular activities, then there should be none for remodeling and rebuilding projects. That should be the least of their concerns, considering most of the public schools and charter schools are under either academic emergency or academic watch.

By Charla

February 20, 2008 3:59 PM | Link to this

Of course disciplining a child starts at home, but we cannot always blame the parents. Many a child that came from a good home, went to private school, and had parents that did everything they could to lead their child down the right path, end up doing just the opposite of what they were taught. If the presidents daughter can get caught in a bar drinking under age, while under constant surveillance, anyone’s child can end up doing things that their parents don’t approve off, you can not stay with a child 24/7. Yes, you can TRY to keep up with who they hang out with, and what they are doing, but the friend you think is so innocent; can be the one that leads them down the path that ends them up in a gang. Kids show you the side of them they want you to see, not the side that they know will land them in trouble. And CT_wolf sounds racist because he is. If he was fed up with crime and “hoodlums” them he would not have played the race card. I’m sick of crime in the city too, but black people are not the only criminals, and they are definitely not the only hoodlums.

February 20, 2008 3:53 PM | Link to this

It is true that gangs come in all colors but I’m telling you Dayton is notorious for the black gangs and hoodlums running wild. If we don’t acknowledge the truth then we can’t do anything about it. We have to be an advocate in our communities. Make small stores and other public service place that get rich off the negative, stand and be accounted for their role in the community. Don’t stand for it anymore. Voice your concerns to these store owners and to your neighbor. Be united.

By Charla

February 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

There is a possibility that all this article has done is glorified gangs. Despite the negativity that was spoken of, and the sentences that have been handed down for these crimes; what stands out the most to a young reader, is the large picture of a young black male, nicely dressed, wearing expensive jewelry, with a hit single. Although he says that D-Cut is not a gang, if the youth don’t believe him, and they want to live his lifestyle, this article has showed them that it is one worth living. Not to mention, other gangs may want to be the next ones in the limelight; therefore, they will do whatever it takes to get the next three page spread.

February 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Link to this

I know CT sounds racist but I think he is feedup like most people. I’m black and I’m sick of too. These hoodlums that run rapid and cause havoc are out of hand. Who is to blame? THE PARENTS and most like Parent (singular). Take control of our community and be a vital part of rebuilding what once beautiful. If it starts at home the outcome is better. The police only care as much as you care and if you don’t care the police only do their job. Dayton needs zoning for residential areas/business

By TN

February 20, 2008 3:36 PM | Link to this

The real problem begins with poor (or no) parenting, lack of a mentoring educational system, poor city goverment (no consistent approach to governing), poor (or no) law enforcement and the lack of involved citizens (everyone close to problems turn their heads the other way). And above all else, everyone wants more for less and it’s always someone else’s problem/fault!

By Charla

February 20, 2008 3:35 PM | Link to this

CT_wolf. Does this master plan you concocted include white gang members? What if a white gang member kills a black person, do you think that they should be given a fast trial and execution? People can’t be as blind and ignorant as they appear in these comments they are leaving. You have to be a complete idiot to think that there are no white gangs, or maybe you are a member of one yourself, skin head sound familiar to you?. Wake up people!! Do you really think that the black race will eventually kill itself out of existence? I guess as a racist, you would love to see that happen; well it’s not going to. I bet all of you racist hiding behind these false names smile in the faces of black people everyday; some of you probably work for someone black and have to kiss their a** daily, if you don’t, I hope you do one day.

February 20, 2008 3:30 PM | Link to this

The police can only do so much and don’t blam the media they report the story as it is. It’s your neighborhoods and your community. When I visited Dayton I went to a Stop N Go and I couldn’t believe my eyes, they had t’shirts in there and I started to buy on to take back home to my husband. It had a picture of the pillsbury dough boy, but the most startling thing was it said “The Pillsbury Dope Boy” and I thought how ignorant. Why wouldn’t people in this community be outraged.

By TN

February 20, 2008 3:23 PM | Link to this

Most of it is race related. That’s why the majority (not all) happens on the west side! The police are scared of these gangs and that’s why they’ve denied their existence. Beyond that if when they do address it the Black leaders start to claim bigotry. Plus, everyone that’s a bystander (witness) refuse to talk to the police. How can the city be “cleaned up”, if there’s no witnesses? And you morons that are bashing Bush and Nafta, etc. You are as much the problem as gangs them selves. …

By Alicia

February 20, 2008 3:18 PM | Link to this

The real problem here is the media who constantly promotes racism, hysteria, and ignorance in an attempt to get people’s attention. Why did the Dayton Daily News even do this story in the first place? And even more, why use a picture of an African-American man? Wouldn’t it be better to promote the positive actions the communities are doing rather than all this hype that will undoubtedly do more harm than good? This article will not stop gang activity, only make people more fearful and racist.

February 20, 2008 3:17 PM | Link to this

I’m a African American women originally from Dayton butI moved when I was 18.I am now 44 and when I visit it’s digusting the way these thugs run things.I remember the beauty of Dayton when I was coming up but it looks like a hell whole now and no one is to blame but the deadbeat young fathers and the crackhead young mothers.If some of the people in Dayton took one sentence from Bill Cosby rant about the black community you might be able raise men/women instead of hoodlums & Future welfare/recipi

By Retired Dummy

February 20, 2008 12:51 PM | Link to this

As a retired member of a “gang” from Dayton, I can understand or remember now why I joined in the first place. The hatred and discuss from the everyday “intelligent citizen” is mind blowing. While you try to impress one another with your IQ’s you are loosing your childern and your streets to the gangs. It is not a race issue by any means. As a dumb (non-MESA member) gang member I was smart enough to leave Dayton.

By CT_Wolf

February 20, 2008 2:05 AM | Link to this

Why waste time and money trying to rehab these monsters? or to lock them up? It would be better for all just to let then kill each other off. The problem would correct itself rather quickly. Should a White person get killed by one of these gangs, they should be hunted down, caught, given a fast trial and even faster execution. I’m so sick and tired of liberals trying to help these two legged bags of sub human garbage.

By debi

February 20, 2008 12:33 AM | Link to this

Getting mentoring programs for kids would help the problem. When a child realizes they can get nurturing from a more positive source, there’s one less potential criminal and one more potential lawabiding citizen. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%28black+or+african-american%29+and+%28mentor+or+mentoring%29 Getting funding for the program would take someone who has the ability to attract wealthy people for donations. It would be nice if the city government would consider this.

By Chuck

February 20, 2008 12:23 AM | Link to this

Every person that runs for an office position always say they’re going to bring more jobs or create jobs here in the city DON’T. It is a constitutional right to express yourself. Also the world we live in is BLACK AND WHITE ALWAYS HAS AND PROBABLY ALWAYS WILL and if you ask me working with affirmative action and different racial things it sound like RACIAL PROFILING to me!!! Get yall s**t together take care of some real crimes like sex offenders LIVING NEXT DOOR to SCHOOLS and school bus stops!

By Chuck

February 20, 2008 12:11 AM | Link to this

I personally think that the FBI,Dayton Police and are government is full of Bullshit. The first thing that always comes out of their mouth go to be somthing retaining to race. instead of getting thousands of dollars in grants for trying to put young black americans in prison, they should be useing it for education, healthcare, housing programs for the homless,or better yet JOBS cause aint s**t in dayton nomore and job are still leaveing the area and they are not doing nothing about it. CONT. PT1

By Charla

February 19, 2008 6:32 PM | Link to this

Anjala. I agree with you; I couldn’t believe all of the racial comments that I read in this blog. I watch gangland all of the time, as well as the documentaries that take you inside of the prisons. Most of the gangs, especially the most violent and deadly ones, are actually Mexican or White. Lately on the news, I have actually seen less crime on the west side than in other places. Crime is everywhere, so people need to stop trying to limit it to west Dayton. After reading these blogs I think the next story that the paper should cover is racism in Dayton, because obviously it is a big problem.

By darlene myers

February 19, 2008 4:29 PM | Link to this

THE MONTGOMERY POLICE DEPT HAS KNOWN FOR OVER THIRTY YEARS ; THAT GANGS WOULD BE HERE FROM OTHER AREAS AND CHOSE TO DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. NOW THE FOCUS IS PRIMARLY IN THE BLACK AREAS ,WITH LITTLE BEING DONE TO ADDRESS OTHER THAN TO PICK UP THE BODIES.SO SINCE THEIR IS LITTLE DONE OF COURSE THE PROBLEM EXCELS. AND THE PUBLIC BLAMES THE BLACK RACE ONLY.GO FIGURE.

By Lamar

February 19, 2008 3:58 PM | Link to this

i dont think that gangs are real i think that the people on the street that put up d-cut are just members of the group

By anjala

February 19, 2008 1:17 PM | Link to this

All the racism in this blog is ridiculous gangs are everywhere and they come in all colors and nationalities. I just wonder where a lot of people get off with “all of the crime is in West Dayton” last month in Miami Twp. there were carjacking’s as well as in Springboro. Someone already said it but I am going to say it again Gangland comes on the History Channel watch it then see if you think all gangs are black.

By Charla

February 19, 2008 12:12 PM | Link to this

Painfultruth. Don’t insult my intelligence. Do you know what Mensa is? If you do, and you are a member, you know that the only qualification is an IQ in the top 2% of the population. You may have the IQ, but you appear to lack commonsense; furthermore, the same people that you belittle in this blog may well be members themselves, not all members have good jobs or lives for that matter, many are on welfare, and for all we know some could be in prison as we speak considering that would not disqualify them for membership. Ever think of that? Do you know how many inmates; including drug dealers and murderers have a high IQ? Obviously you don’t. Please do not continue to mention Mensa in a sad attempt to get people to think that you are above them. I’m sure other members would be embarrassed to be members of an organization that allows imbeciles like you to join. By the way, as a member, aren’t you suppose to use this intelligence you say you have for the benefit of humanity, as a Mensa member that is? If so, you are failing to do so.. Now, as far as my comment about crime being distributed evenly amongst all races, do you think that if a person does not get caught for a crime, that it does not count. If other races were targeted daily by the police, i’m sure they would have a higher percentage of crime amongst that race, don’t you think. Or do you think that white collar crime is not comparable. Crime is crime, whether you get caught or not and whether you beat the charge and avoid prison time or not. So like I said, all races commit crime, some get away with it easier than others. Ms. Mensa. Please refrain from communicating with me from now on, you are not worth my time or energy. That comes from emotion, my other comments did not

By Ann

February 19, 2008 10:50 AM | Link to this

Get a grant to fight the ms 13 gangs and then hold a two day forum in Dayton on how to give the illegals everything from jobs to medical to defending the criminal illegal. What is up with jobs and family services speaking on this forum about employment? According to the FBI over half the gang members in this coutry are here illegally.

By an old friend of Anthony's

February 19, 2008 2:12 AM | Link to this

He had such a pretty smile and he always used to giggle when he would hug me. I would always enjoy seeing him, made me laugh. I too was on a bad path then, at the time of his death I was in Daybreak Runaway Shelter. I read about it in the paper. I cried myself to sleep that night. I was pregnant and 16 myself at the time. I can honestly say I was friends with all parties included in the incident. I stopped hanging around them shortly before it all happened.

By debi

February 18, 2008 11:09 PM | Link to this

painfultruth: So who are the “smart people” you speak of? And just what stereotypical groups do you assign the term “blockheads”?

Asking someone, if something is “beyond their grasp” is emotional exasperation and not objective. Objectivity is something that is always present when approaching a subject sincerely.

An emotional response is also unproductive because it usually causes emotion in the person receiving your message. The intended individual will more than likely feel the emotion and not process the rest of your message. This reduces your chances of actually exchanging ideas with a person, which is what “communication” is.

Explain what you mean by: “Society is crumbling, and unfortunately the part of society that is going down fast doesn’t feel it has done anything wrong!”

It’s very easy to infer what you mean, but why be shy? Why not just spout your hateful little rhetoric and be woman enough to stand behind it? Yep I know you are a woman. It’s obvious like everything else about you.

If one makes a mess, one should clean it up. Hmmm…. You just can’t stop from throwing them jabs at black folks, can you?

By debi

February 18, 2008 10:52 PM | Link to this

painfultruth: Please, please, please, for the love of God - PLEASE! Stop making a fool of yourself. I can’t help enjoy picking on you. It’s just so easy.

I could spend time itemizing every flaw in your communiqués but what’s the point? I have better things to do with my time, like reading the news, watching cartoons, and keeping my eye out for your comments on this board. See, my whole point is, if you give someone a hard time, I am going to give you a hard time. And you are out matched.

I can tell you have a high school education. Probably a C+ student (about a 90 IQ) , which isn’t bad. The reason I said 90 is because that is just about where you are at. But 90 is way too low to get into Mensa.

188 IQ? You are out of your flipping mind!!!! I have met many people with a higher IQ than myself and you ain’t one of ‘em! I have met people more intelligent than myself in certain ways with a much lower than my 150. But that’s not you either.

As for my writing style, I enjoy ending a sentence with a prepositional phrase. So What? I may drop a typo here and there. So What? I may have had too much of a love for e.e.cummings - So WHAT?

If you had even one point above 90 going for you, you would realize the IQ number is absolutely meaningless in the REAL world. I rarely speak of my IQ and stopped going to meetings because the IQ number has no legitimate authority. And you seem to think that saying a high number will make people’s jaw drop in awe and amazement at the brilliant YOU. Nope. Not gonna happen.

Here’s what you need to realize; If you are intelligent, people will realize it once they communicate with you. One does not have to stamp it on their forehead in order to gain respect for a nimble brain.

So… tell me I am stupid, idiotic, subhuman… take your pick! Add your own adjectives. Don’t hurt me one bit, because I see right through you. Your smoke screen is ineffective.

Give it another go, and offer me a real challenge.

February 18, 2008 10:50 PM | Link to this

Zoom needs to read all the prior posts before attempting to make unjustifiable statements. Smart people tend to make far better life decisions than blockheads, or is that concept beyond your grasp? Society is crumbling, and unfortunately the part of society that is going down fast doesn’t feel it has done anything wrong! That IS the problem. If one makes a mess, one should clean it up themself. Too bad the people making the mess don’t even realize (or care) what is happening. Amazing!

By Zoom

February 18, 2008 10:24 PM | Link to this

I was a Dayton resident for many, many years before moving to Columbus. I find this situation distressing, and am of the mind that gangs have been in Dayton for a long time as they probably are here in Columbus. A very unfortunate part of this problem is the level to which people will stoop to prove their “correct” position. Who the h#ll cares what your IQ is? Does arguing that point contribute to a thoughtful discussion? Egos are a basic problem with gangs folks…our children do learn from us.

February 18, 2008 10:10 PM | Link to this

Debi, a Mensa member would use correct grammar. By the way, an IQ of 90 is just a bit above average. Any time you would like to engage me in a one-on-one conversation via e-mail, I’m open. My 188 IQ should be quite entertaining for you. A fine example of your depth of knowledge is your incorrct sentence structure and improper use of words. Give it your best shot sweetie; I’ve gone one-on-one easily with Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz and several senators and congressmen. You’re minor league…

By debi

February 18, 2008 9:48 PM | Link to this

Charla, you raise a good point. I watched a special on the justice system on MSNBC (they do a lot crime related documentaries) and it pointed out that there were harsher sentences for small-time crack offenders than cocaine offenders. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cocaine+crack+%22jail+sentences%22 And they actually admitted it was because crack offenders were more likely to be black, and cocaine offenders to be non-black. Seems like the tide is turning on that.

By debi

February 18, 2008 9:37 PM | Link to this

Before anyone points out I typed “Your right, but not acccurate”. I meant “You’re right, but not accurate”. I was still laughing at painful truth being a Mensa member.

By debi

February 18, 2008 9:35 PM | Link to this

painfultruth: I’ve gotta let you know, that you need an IQ above 90 to be a Mensa member. I’m a Mensa member. Anyway, you are correct. FBI stats clearly nail down young black men as the highest percentage of criminals but they are repeat offenders. Meaning that it is not one black male per crime, it’s one black male for many crimes. Wrap your super-intelligent brain around that. The percentage of white crime would go up if they kept stats on white collared crime. Your right, but not acccurate.

By Donald Gill

February 18, 2008 9:23 PM | Link to this

My name is Donald Gill,i lived at 2504 Lakeview Av,i gradurated from Roosevelt High in 1960,i left Dayton,and never returned,i join the Navy,i never really stayed in touch with my family,i found out the my father is still living in Dayton,and he is 107 years old,his name was Nathan Gill,he had a sucessful cement company there,i have tried to find him,but without sucess,please help find my father

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%28black+or+african-american%29+and+%28mentor+or+mentoring%29

February 18, 2008 9:19 PM | Link to this

Charla, you amaze me. The one statement you just made in that “crime is distributed evenly among the races” is a baseless lie. FACTS and FIGURES go completely against your statement. Idiot me? Hardly; I’m a Mensa member, and if you don’t know what that means, look it up. I agree about cops spending time on the internet versus on patrol, but there are many facets of crime. True facts and figures support my view. I think with my head while you think with your emotions.

By Charla

February 18, 2008 9:00 PM | Link to this

Painfultruth. You are the idiot. I never said that murder and a child being flashed was comparable. I did say that we need to stop giving drug dealers more time then we do rapist and murderers, and that the police should not spend time in front of a computer on MySpace when they could be out patrolling the streets and catching perverts. Now, with that said, commonsense would tell you that I don’t want murderers roaming free nor do I want any other criminals to go without punishment. I simply said that the proper sentence needs to be handed down according to the crime. My point was that blacks are not the only ones out committing crimes, and that all of the racial comments are unnecessary. Crime is distributed evenly amongst all races, so lets not make it appear that black people are criminals, and everyone else falls victim to their crime. How often do we see a black person go out and shoot up a school full of innocent people? Most often it is a white person committing these senseless crimes, so let’s not make it appear as if whites are so innocent. And no I would not want my child to be flashed or killed, and they are not comparable until the pervert that goes around flashing people decides that-that is no longer enough and he takes one of these children, and rapes and kills them. For the record, I am not black, but because I am not racist, all of these negative comments about blacks get to me. We all have our faults, we all have done wrong at some point in our lives, we all must learn from our mistakes and hope God forgives us. These ignorant comments that you all are directing towards me do not hurt me like i’m sure you want them to, for only God can judge me, and his opinion of me is the only one that counts. So I will pray for you as I will the others who left rude or racist comments for me.

By Haley

February 18, 2008 8:52 PM | Link to this

The problem with the gangs in Dayton is there is nothing else for them to do. The city cut funding for the parks and recs. Jobs are going out of the city. Our schools are a joke, no money for sports or any other afterschool activity. It’s not black or white, there are white gangs on the eastside too! The News reporters don’t talk about the problems on that side of town. I don’t feel safe on the eastside either!

By Craig

February 18, 2008 7:45 PM | Link to this

Being away from Dayton for 12 years serving in the military, one would think that some things would’ve changed. For some reason I was home sick and wanted to be closer to family so I requested to be stationed at Wright Patt. It sure does make you feel good to know that being deployed to the desert 3 times is really making a difference bringing people closer. I’ve been all over the world and I always have the best stories about a town being split over something as simple as color.

By debi

February 18, 2008 7:40 PM | Link to this

Notice the number of programs, organizations and literature on the subject. To the best of my knowledge, these are black funded not-for-profit organizations.

By debi

February 18, 2008 7:31 PM | Link to this

My last comment.. I offered a plan for black children (because everyone seems to blame blacks for the gang problem), but I am sure everyone… EVERYONE realizes that there are at least one latino and one white gang member somewhere here in Dayton. How do we save them? Is it possible that we have programs to help all races and not just blacks? Is that fair?

By debi

February 18, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

O.K. Maybe this will make the white people that are pissed off at blacks feel better. Yes, it was the crimes of your fathers and the children should not be punished. If no one will apologize to you, I Will. I am sorry your nose gets rubbed into the human stain of slavery. And I am sorry I get my nose rubbed about remembering my families past. Now is it possible you to offer constructive ideas that can possibly alleviate the bad situation that we all share with gangs & faux gangs?