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Bernard Goldberg’s “A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media (Regnery Publishing) came out this week. Here’s an early review from Karl Frisch:

By Karl Frisch

“That certainly didn’t take long. Just shy of a week after Barack Obama took the oath of office, becoming America’s 44th president, the nation’s foremost right-wing publishing house has released a new tome by Bernard Goldberg that seeks to trash the supposedly liberal “mainstream media” for being in the tank for Obama.

The three-ringed circus of liberal media bias cryptozoology is nothing new for Goldberg. He’s been part of this factually challenged freak show for years. This isn’t even his first book on the subject — he wrote 2001’s creatively titled, Bias.

Goldberg’s latest screed, A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (And Pathetic) Story of the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media (Regnery Publishing, January 2009), though with a significantly longer title, preaches the same decades-old gospel of bias, refusing at all costs to let facts get in the way — truth be damned.

Case in point.

In the first chapter of Slobbering, Goldberg writes that the media were “championing” Obama and cites as proof a June 2008 broadcast of CBS’ The Early Show, which ran a segment called “Five Things You Should Know About Barack Obama,” featuring biographical fluff on the then-Illinois senator. Goldberg goes on to contend that CBS’ Jeff Glor sounded “more like Obama’s campaign manager than a network news correspondent” during the segment. However, like so many other glossy television profile pieces during the long presidential campaign, CBS’ report was only one-half of a set. Just days later, CBS would air a segment titled “Five Things You Should Know” about Sen. John McCain, featuring such trivia as McCain’s high school nickname, television and movie cameos, and enjoyment of bird-watching and comedian Sacha Baron Cohen’s fictional character Borat. Not surprisingly, Goldberg’s book makes no mention of the McCain segment.

This is just one of many examples in which Goldberg mangles the facts to suit his own agenda; unfortunately, there are many others.

Goldberg contends the media spent too little time covering Obama’s connection to ’60s radical William Ayers. He claims the press returned to the issue in the fall only because the McCain-Palin ticket raised it on the campaign trail. Putting aside for a moment the fact that those watching cable television during the campaign often saw wall-to-wall coverage of this issue, Goldberg’s central contention — that the press returned to covering the Obama-Ayers connection only after the McCain-Palin ticket raised it on the campaign trail — is patently false. Goldberg writes, “Finally, in the last month of the campaign, the [New York] Times returned to the Obama-Ayers story, but only after McCain and (mostly) Palin began making it an issue on the campaign trail.” In reality, in what was reported as the “first time” Sarah Palin raised Obama’s connection to Ayers, the Alaska governor actually cited the October 2008 New York Times story to which Goldberg refers. This isn’t a case of “which came first, the chicken or the egg.” Palin brought the issue up on the campaign trail citing a report in the Times; it wasn’t, as Goldberg writes, the other way around.

Showing further contempt for the Google skills of his readers, Goldberg adds a spare room to the house of cards he’s constructed by publishing a deceptively doctored version of an interview with NBC News’ Tom Brokaw on PBS’ Charlie Rose. Echoing conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh, Goldberg suggests, among other things, that Brokaw expressed the view that “there’s a lot about [Obama] we don’t know,” when, in fact, Brokaw actually attributed that opinion to “conservative commentators.” Goldberg goes on to claim that comments Brokaw and Rose made about their lack of familiarity with the presidential candidates applied only to Obama when, in fact, they were also referring to McCain.

There is plenty to complain about in the media, especially when you look at coverage of the 2008 presidential campaign. Too often the press uncritically reports spin as fact when a simple fact-check is in order. They give equal weight to competing arguments for the sake of balance when both sides are obviously not on equal footing. They fail to correct their mistakes and advance false notions influencing the opinions of news consumers. The list could go on ad infinitum.

For all of their failings though, Goldberg’s case against the media just doesn’t hold up under serious scrutiny. It’s perfectly fine to have political opinions — one can even write a book about them. That book, however, should be accurate, and all too often Goldberg’s Slobbering fails readers in that regard.”

(Karl Frisch is a senior fellow at Media Matters for America (www.mediamatters.org), a progressive media watchdog, research, and information center based in Washington,D.C.)

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By Raoul

February 3, 2009 11:41 AM | Link to this

I surrender.

By vick

February 3, 2009 10:45 AM | Link to this

That bursting sound was the Downsizing of Raoul’s bubble.

By downsized

February 3, 2009 1:55 AM | Link to this

Only you can answer whether your bubble has burst. And, I believe you just did. Good luck with your philosophy, state of mind and living quarters.

By Raoul

February 2, 2009 1:21 PM | Link to this

Hey Downsized, what about our precious bodily fluids? Should I be worried? Do you think it’s the Russkies, or maybe Al Queda this time? Or, as you suggest, it’s probably the evil corporations all teaming up together to kill us all. Is my bubble about to burst?

By vick

February 2, 2009 12:52 PM | Link to this

Happy birthday, Raoul. You have a good memory. It’s true, Richard M. Nixon is my favorite president. The main reason I love him is because he was such a slimeball. Thanks, for reminding me about your Civil War piece. I have read it. I’ll respond privately…

By downsized

February 2, 2009 12:50 PM | Link to this

Raoul-YOU can’t seem to grasp that the corporate elite has nearly accomplished a takeover acquisition of our government. We’re virtually a corporate subsidiary when it comes to under market value utilizaton of public lands, lucrative tax policies and blockading less expensive pharmaceuticals from importation. Much like our bankruptcy laws, environmental policies, and the oversight and anti-trust vaccuum; what corporation want, they get. You seem bitter that some elected officials seek a modicum of fairness and level playing field. Im’ not anti-capitalist, I’m anti-corruption. Your anti-government attitude and heroes (Reagan/Bush) have brought us the largest expansions of government and the largest deficits in our history. This is classic neocon behavior, accusing the opposition of what you are actually doing. Obviously, you don’t fish downstream from the effluents of farms, hoglots, mines, or factories. Lucky you. But, the air you breathe, the food you eat and the products you use are not immune from the poisons the rest of us are regularly exposed to. The influence of your corporate buddies have seen to that. Expensive lobbying (those pesky prices of doing business caused by the guvmint) to weaken the Jusice Dept., FDA and EPA have seen to that. Your bubble or bombshelter may have some good filtration but, the light of truth doesn’t seem to be getting in. The vindictive nature you detect must be the smell of your own tired, outdated and repudiated world view. Must come from being asleep all those 40 years. Wake up and maybe start getting some news from sources other than the John Birch Society, Rush or Fox News.

By Raoul

February 2, 2009 11:50 AM | Link to this

Vick, I refer to the 40 years or so when Congress was in control of the Democrats. Isn’t that where programs are launched, funded, etc.? I thought Nixon was one of your favorite Presidents? He did get us out of Viet Nam, no? Don’t get me wrong, he was a flawed man, no arguments here. But I regard the whole Watergate affair as the single most trumped up, over the top, mountain out of a molehill event in recent history. By any standard, what Sandy Berger did and pretty much got away with during the 911 Commission hearing stands head and shoulders above anything connected to Watergate. There really is no comparison. SB stole classified documents from the National Archives many, many times, at a time when our country was trying to find out why/how we could have been attacked. The botched burglary at Watergate was a 1 time event, and was a silly, political Spy vs Spy episode. Now, do you really want to make me believe that SB was just sloppy, forgetful (over 30 times, if memory serves)and that the mainstream media was on the ball by letting this story just die away? Actually Vick, my memory of events over the last 50 years (by the way, I am 52 today) is fine. I remember my whole generation suffering under the delusion that our parent’s generation was wrong about everything. Guess what? They weren’t! We began social engineering and got bitten by the laws of unintended consequences. But, still and all, I beleive we have the best government and the best way of life there is. We should be proud of that. Did you ever get a chance to look over the novel abstract I sent you? No hurry.

By vick

February 2, 2009 11:01 AM | Link to this

Raoul, I’m puzzled by your comment: ” the last time the Republicans got out of the way (1950’s) they woke up 40 years later and found that our neighborhoods had been destroyed..” Dwight Eisenhower, a REPUBLICAN, was president from 1952 until 1960. How was Ike’s tenure representative of “Republicans got out of the way (1950’s)” ?? I don’t get it? Also during that 40 year period when you allege that Republicans were slumbering while Democrats were trashing your world how does Tricky Dick Nixon (another GOPer), our president from 1968 until his disgraceful resignation in the middle of his second tern factor in to your declaration?? Methinks your memory here is a wee bit selective, Raoul…

By Raoul

February 1, 2009 11:21 PM | Link to this

Downsized, you can’t seem to grasp that the ‘high powered corporate elite’ are very much connected to and dependent upon the big government guys that will be shaping our new administration. I just wish they were as comfortable paying their own taxes as they are in making sure I pay mine. You have some nerve to lay our problems on corporate greed; there is no greedier entity than our government. Corporations must shave fat and pork out of their budgets every day; but not so government. Government programs grow exponentially each year, whether they work or not, except when conservatives can successfully trim the amount of increases, which the media portrays as cutting funding. Not to say that corporations are clean and pure. But give us a break with your passionate, but unreasonable, anti-capitalism. Our rivers and streams are very clean; I fish them all the time. I get in the water with my waders and wonder at the cleanliness. You also seem to think Pharmacuetical companies should develop new and wonderful medicines and dole them out as a benevolent gift for all seniors and sick people, despite the nearly insurmountable (and justifiably so) compliance costs and hurdles they must overcome to get them to market. When conservatives complain about the runaway legal system that rewards absurd and outlandish settlements against big corporations, they are portrayed as defending big business, when instead they are truly looking out for the average person in the hopes of driving costs down. You are coming across as just plain vindictive that a corporation had the gall to let you go. Maybe they had to because somewhere along the line the price of producing goods and services to meet the market became too much to bear because either the government or the legal system found ways to corral the money towards their favorite Senator, Congressman, or who knows who else. I have been downsized before myself; it doesn’t feel good. Ultimately, TRS is exactly right and we should all be as honest and hopeful as he (or she???… sorry, but I don’t need to bury myself any deeper…remember I defended Rush Limbaugh, or at least his entertainment value). Something else you may want to consider….almost all working people in our country have invested into our financial system with 401k’s, etc. You can complain all you want, but we all need the system to work. Now is not the time to print money for Democrats to spend on their favorite social programs. Obama has demonstrated he is willing to cut out the pork. I hope Pelosi and Reid will follow suit. Unfortunately, they probably won’t.

By downsized

February 1, 2009 9:04 PM | Link to this

The last two startling posts of TRS and Raoul have provided enough insight into their worldview to make the following observations. TRS apparently enjoys a telepathic knowledge of minds reaching from the House Speaker, Senate Majority leader, President of the United States (the guy has been President for almost two weeks already); and the opinions of everyone who has read or will read the various versions,(still a work in progress), of the economic stimulus plan, yet to be finalized, voted upon or signed into law. The bubble Raoul says he resides in lacks sufficient oxygen. And history books. Raoul, this 40 years you speak of…uh, I know a few African-American families, Viet Nam vets, public school graduates, teachers, and a heck of a lot of other Americans of both parties who might have a different viewpoint. Where were you, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and the rest of your ideological cohorts during this cultural and geo-political takeover? Must have been quite a surprise when the Republicans and you woke up and realized you’d elected Presidents and all this stuff happened while you slept. Man, I had no idea that anyone who doesn’t share the “Philosophy of Raoul” as you once referred to it, was also responsible for jihadist terrorists and the fall of western civilzation. Bummer.

By downsized

February 1, 2009 5:16 PM | Link to this

TRS-You pronounce that “the founding fathers recognized our rights come from the creator”. You also recognize “the need for some checks and balances”, but direly warn of turning over our freedom to a master(s.)You imply that master is our government. I contend, The real masters are the corporate power elite. If left up to the virtues of free market capitalist “masters”, we would still have child labor sweatshops and slavery. Under your logic, the problems of our country lie in poor parenting not greedy corporations. Afterall, if we don’t like the methods of these entities we can all just stop doing business with them and they’ll cease their exploitive, bad practices. Extending your logic this, I presume, applies to environmental polluters, arms dealers and pharmaceutical companies. Don’t pay those exhorbitant prices for your prescriptions people. Stop taking them and Big Pharma will charge less. Pray for peace on Sunday and those companies will stop selling land mines. Fine those hog confinement corps $10 grand and stop eating pork and they’ll stop the fish kills and we can all swim in the streams and lakes again. Yeah, right. Big business has pretty much eliminated anti-trust laws, organized labor and financial regulations, which has certainly resulted in prosperity for all those as you said are “willing to participate”, haven’t they? You refer to government like it’s a malevolent, independent entity, bent on thwarting the natural will of prosperity provided by the markets. Who do you think funds the elections of government leaders? When the credit card companies instrumental to changing bankruptcy laws came to Washington they were not asked ANY questions. They were merely thanked for coming. The masters of government are the masters of corporate capitalism. Your suggestion to remedy this is for the people to “just say no”?! Sure worked for the war on drugs. Just where do you suggest we seek virtue and character? I suggest, since we don’t have access to their boardrooms (or parental upbringing) we seek redress from the government. Not my ideal choice, but at least it’s supposed to be of, by and for the PEOPLE. You note our only guarantees are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Who exactly guarantees them? Exxon, Haliburton, AIG, Dow Chemical, CiTi Group and all the ex-Goldman Sachs management? Sorry, if I’m not real impressed with your Ben Franklin quote. Here’s one for you: “We have now passed the worst..the income of a large part of our people has not been reduced..under the guidance of Divine Providence they will return to us a greater and more wholesome prosperity than we have ever known.”-Herbert Hoover,1931. I pose this question; where is the “cure for what ails us”? Your free market capitalist CEO’s too appear to think it’s from the government(read we the taxpayers). Think we should just say no?

By TRS

February 1, 2009 4:49 PM | Link to this

While I am sure Mr. Rich would like Limbaugh and Republicans to get out of the way so 1 Trillion or so could be thrown against the wall and we could see what sticks; but, the American public isn’t quite as sure. Currently the plan has a 42% approval from the public and 52% of independents DO NOT support it - hardly Limbaugh fans. Rich and the liberal congress are making the mistaken assumption that the public is so awash in joy that they are ready to accept whatever comes down the pike. As is the usual case, the elite crowd of the NYT believe that conservatives blindly follow Rush because we just aren’t as enlightened as say, Mr. Rich. The reality is that the great unwashed is a bit smarter than given credit for. There are aspects of the stimulus plan which has merit, some of it I don’t support but understand that we lost and they won; but, only about 1/3 of it is stimulus and the rest is social engineering or long standing liberal agenda items they are trying to get through. This bill was written by a surrogatge “President Pelosi” who is under the delusion that she is non partisan (yea, right). If Pres Obama is to lead, he needs to effective do a “line item” veto of the pork and social engineering and consider those things which actually stimulate. Should he do this, Rush’s arguments will be harder to make. If he continues to let Pelosi and Reid run the show, he’s in for trouble. The Congress was unpopular before and they are doing nothing to change that. As for Rich, he is the equilavent to the left wing version of Ann Coulter and pretty much confirms what we’ve been saying about the NYT all along - it is nothing more than a propaganda rag for the Democrats.

By Raoul

February 1, 2009 4:40 PM | Link to this

Vick , I guess this is your way of having the last word. However, the last time the Republicans got out of the way (1950’s) they woke up 40 years later and found that our neighborhoods had been destroyed, along with African-American families, our public school system was in shambles, the Viet Nam war was a bad memory, our judicial system had been hijacked by lawyers that said it’s ok to abort babies but convicted felons should be released from prison, our government programs had expanded exponentially with little or no oversight, inflation was in the double digits, new enemies had emerged in the form of jihadist terrorists, and our culture had degenerated into an anti-American, revisionist, ‘victimhood’ of societal problems laid at the feet of the greatest generation of Americans we have ever had. Right now the GOP cannot lead, should not follow, and I hope will not get out of the way. Now, let’s stop talkin about Rush Limbaugh; he doesn’t need the attention he is getting, and however you feel about him, just remember 90% of the mainstream media votes Democrat (it’s been documented), so don’t worry about the ‘propaganda’ coming from the right. We need the check and balance now more than ever.

By vick

February 1, 2009 3:20 PM | Link to this

The Republicans’ other preoccupation remains Rush Limbaugh, who is by default becoming their de facto leader. While most Americans are fearing fear itself, G.O.P. politicians are tripping over themselves in morbid terror of Rush.////////// These pratfalls commenced after Obama casually told some Republican congressmen (correctly) that they won’t “get things done” if they take their orders from Limbaugh. That’s all the stimulus the big man needed to go on a new bender of self-aggrandizement. He boasted that Obama is “more frightened” of him than he is of the Republican leaders in the House or Senate. He said of the new president, “I hope he fails.”//////// Obama no doubt finds Limbaugh’s grandiosity more amusing than frightening, but G.O.P. politicians are shaking like Jell-O. When asked by Andrea Mitchell of NBC News on Wednesday if he shared Limbaugh’s hope that Obama fails, Eric Cantor spun like a top before running off, as it happened, to appear on Limbaugh’s radio show. Mike Pence of Indiana, No. 3 in the Republican House leadership, similarly squirmed when asked if he agreed with Limbaugh. Though the Republicans’ official, poll-driven line is that they want Obama to succeed, they’d rather abandon that disingenuous nicety than cross Rush.///////// Most pathetic of all was Phil Gingrey, a right-wing Republican congressman from Georgia, who mildly criticized both Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to Politico because they “stand back and throw bricks” while lawmakers labor in the trenches. So many called Gingrey’s office to complain that the poor congressman begged Limbaugh to bring him on air to publicly recant on Wednesday. As Gingrey abjectly apologized to talk radio’s commandant for his “stupid comments” and “foot-in-mouth disease,” he sounded like the inmate in a B-prison-movie cowering before the warden after a failed jailbreak.///////// “It’s up to me to hijack the Obama honeymoon,” Limbaugh soon gloated, “and I’ve done it.” In his dreams. He has hijacked what’s left of the Republican Party; the Obama honeymoon remains intact. The nightmare is that we have so irrelevant, clownish and childish an opposition party at a moment when America is in an all-hands-on-deck emergency that’s as trying as war. To paraphrase a dictum that has been variously attributed to two of our most storied leaders in times of great challenge, Thomas Paine and George Patton, the Republicans should either lead, follow or get out of the grown-ups’ way.” (Frank Rich/NY Times/Feb. 1-2009)

By Raoul

January 31, 2009 8:17 PM | Link to this

Downsized, I appreciate you chiming in. I have kept up with your ongoing discussion with TRS. You both contribute greatly to the debate. I have listened to both Air America and Rush Limbaugh. I admit to a bias against Air America. So there it is. However, I stand by my assertion that of the two, listeners to Rush are more prone to hope and tend to be inspired, and Air America listeners tend to be pissed off and vindictive. To be honest, I don’t even know if Air America is still on the air. I will also say that your varied history in our great republic obviously gives you a keen insight to our country and how it functions. But all in all, TRS provides convincing testament to our society as a work in progress. I expect Wall Street to thrive on greed, and my 401K will sink or swim based on the survival instincts of the institutions that hold my money. But please, beware of those that think government is the answer to our problems. There are so many beaurocrats feeding at the tax-payer trough that contribute nothing to our society that it boils the blood. The notion that greed only exists on Wall Street is pathetically moronic; our government is the largest glutton of money and power there is, and it appears on the verge of being totally out of our control to stop it or reign it in. Downsized, you seem bitter and I can’t blame you, but I will simply suggest that you count your blessings. I have to remind myself everyday to do that, and it isn’t easy. We have all had a few curveballs thrown our way, but we need to keep getting the bat out of the rack and swing away. And now, I am going to sign off, get back in the bubble, and look up the word “toadyism”. I hope it proves to be complimentary, but I can live with the alternative.

By TRS

January 31, 2009 5:02 PM | Link to this

downsized - perhaps perspective was not the correct choice of words because what you are talking about is core values and with those I agree. Integrity, honesty and fair dealing should be a component in all aspects of life; yet, we live in a culture that does not hold such thing in high regard. I do not think what you have outlined in your comments represents the vast number of corporations and small businesses in America. Certainly I could list all the negative things I believe government perpetrates and its list would be equal to yours. In a perfect world the things you mention would not occur; but, this is not a perfect world nor is it a perfect free market and the same holds true that government is not perfect. One element not discussed is personal responsibility. To use your example, if a kid is taught well and gets a credit card app in the mail, they will throw it away. If enough parents object and threaten to cease doing business with such a company, it will cease what it is doing. Cities and governments are free to bid or not in tax abatement issues and such. There is no guarantee of success; but, the risk seems worth the reward and thats why it is done. If a corporation leaves the country, is it the fault of the corporation or the policy which may be forcing it out? All the things you outlined seem to reflect that the other party had no choice in the matter when in fact they do. All systems have warts and neither the system nor life is perfect. We are guaranteed nothing other than life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The capitalist system we have has provided well for the people across time. It has provided a great standard of living for most who participate and is far better than any other alternative. Certainly it needs checks and oversight and it gets out of kilter because of greed; but, government is equally succeptible to the allure of power and obviously neither is good. The founding fathers recognized that our rights came from the creator. When we start believing the government is the giver of rights and the cure for what ails us, then we cede to it freedoms which are rightfully ours. Benjamin Franklin once said “ony a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” To me, the question is do we want to return to seeking virtue and good character or do we want to turn it over to a master?

By downsized

January 31, 2009 12:17 PM | Link to this

Raoul- sorry to interrupt your engaging discussion with Mark. But, you saying, “with Rush you don’t get hate, you get inspiration and hope”, left me somewhere between garbled apoplexy and astonished admiration. By golly, you make him sound like Billy Graham! After skewering Air America listeners as being full of hatred and accusing Democrats of pandering and intolerance you cheerfully, and in good humor, sign off and retreat to your beloved “bubble”. Stay “cozy”. Your toadyism doesn’t fool all of us. Nor does your supposed “conversion” from doe-eyed liberal to clear thinking, thoughtful conservative.

By Raoul

January 31, 2009 10:29 AM | Link to this

Mark, I linked to the Media Matters website and it was interesting to say the least. I guess I would expect some distortions of things from someone who talks live 3 hours a day, but remember, Rush is an entertainer. Regarding your concerns about ‘unknown parties’ contributing to the discussion, let me remind you that these ‘unknown parties’ are called ‘people’, and they are mostly ‘Americans’ who are like you and me trying to find meaning to all around us. There are many listeners who call in to tell Rush that he was instrumental in changing their lives around. This might not matter much to “Media Matters”, but it makes for good entertainment, as long as you appreciate the human interest element. Contrast that to the average Air America caller, where the common thread is hatred for conservatives. With Rush, you don’t get hate, you get inspiration, and hope. He points out the hypocracy and the vote pandering and socialist agenda of the Democrats. Democrats and leftists mistakenly call that ‘hate speech’. I call that intolerance. And thanks for sharing your comments; I appreciate the debate!.

By downsized

January 30, 2009 7:27 PM | Link to this

TRS-your question vexes me because of your use of “perspective” as elated to honesty. To me honesty should not be nuanced. It’s honest or not. No shades of grey. Honesty is typically defined as: fairness and straightforwardness of conduct. My “perspective” is that honestly practiced free market capitalism does not include bailing out companies whose management rewards themselves for losing billions of investor’s dollars, pilfers pension funds, reneges on negotiated benefits, re-locates their headquarters in off shore shell companies to avoid paying their taxes, throws money and even sex and drugs to elected officials and bureaucrats to knowingly extort or “buy” contracts/despoil the environment or gain unfair advantages through no bid contracting, using lobbyists and “contributions” or spying on private lives to persuade officials to disregard factual evidence for favored treatment. Wealthy companies extorting whole communities to provide taxpayer funded infrastructure with promises of good jobs, then delivering neither. Banks being given large sums to prime the pump of lending, then hoarding it in reserves, with loans not made. Credit card companies mass mailing enticing applications to minors and charging exhorbitant interest rates, even with the cost of money at historic lows. Oil companies spiking gas prices to seek ever higher price points, while neglecting or even closing refineries, then blaiming costs on shortages of refined oil. I could continue but, the breadth and depth of dishonesty and greed has so corrupted these allegedly free markets that they have become unrecognizable. I’ve personally witnessed corporate political action committees doaling out dollars to both parties to buy access and most importantly, “influence”. As I stated previously, the free market system is decidedly NOT free. Nor is it in many, many instances and practices, remotely honest. Your statement about no system being perfect is accurate but, what we’re seeing is less than imperfection. We are experiencing the robbery of entire generations’ legacy, culture and future.

By Dave

January 30, 2009 6:08 PM | Link to this

I think it is important to remember that Rush is an entertainer, not a “serious” journalist. This clip of his helps explain where he comes from: http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=4166300

By Mark from St Paul

January 30, 2009 5:31 PM | Link to this

Raoul, you are more than fair. I’ll try to listen to some Rush but that was a bigger sacrifice than I let on because it’s not Rush per se — I hate ALL talk radio. I’m very leery of formats that allow unknown parties to contribute to the conversation. Unlike blog comments, there’s no follow up. At least here people can disagree or offer a link. This is an old link, but Media Matters has done yeoman’s work in documenting Rush’s lies. Which is probably why Rush and Brent Bozell and other are completely intolerant of Media Matters (while oddly NEVER arguing with them). http://mediamatters.org/items/200502180006

By TRS

January 30, 2009 4:53 PM | Link to this

Downsized - we’ll have to agree to disagree on Iraq - I am more hopeful than you. Sadly, no economic system is perfect but I am curious - what is your perspective of “honestly practiced?

By Raoul

January 30, 2009 2:35 PM | Link to this

Mark, you have provided a hint that you do not listen to Rush,so it’s curious to hear you say he lies every day. You may be right, for all I know. Al Franken wrote a book about it, which I did read. It was very funny at times, and there were some bits of insight as to Rush’s ‘lies’. But I finished the book thinking any proof of Limbaugh’s lies were very pedantic and miniscule, and very unconvincing. I’m afraid you will have to do better to convince me. I am not here to defend Rush Limbaugh, he doesn’t need my help. His show is on every day, so all the people who don’t like him can listen anytime and wikipedia themselves into a frenzy if they want to prove he is lying. I don’t really care. I’m also not going to deny that conservativism doesn’t have it’s share of problems. You probably should not listen to Rush because you may be so intent on catching him lying you won’t be entertained. I will look for the books you have referred to next time I am browsing a book store.

By downsized

January 30, 2009 1:48 PM | Link to this

TRS-In fairness, I want to fully address your comments. You opined that “clearly you are not fond of the free market”..Although I have been a reigistered securities representative series 7 broker, an independent business owner/operator, a product manager for a Fortune 50 insurance entity, have held positions with the likes of CITI, ING, American Express and General Electric; you assume I do not believe in free market capitalism. I fully understand the theory, I’ve just never seen it honestly practiced. When did this occur and in what country?

By Mark from St Paul

January 30, 2009 11:32 AM | Link to this

Raoul, I drifted back here last night to check for new comments and almost posted an apology. That comment was much rougher than it needed to be and I regret that. Almost as much as I regret the fact that Rush has won. Millions of Americans would rather believe the lie than hear the truth. No matter how successful this administration is, there will always be a hard core of bitter enders who choose to believe that liberals hate capitalism and that the real racists are those who are oppressed. There is no way around this: Rush lies. Daily. But if it affords me an opportunity to save a soul for true conservatism, here’s what I propose. I’ll listen to Rush’s show for a week (you can quiz me to make sure I do) IF you read either David Brock’s “Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative,” or David Cay Johnston’s “Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich—and Cheat Everybody Else.” I’ll broaden my horizons if you read just one of those two books. Whaddya say?

By Raoul

January 30, 2009 10:14 AM | Link to this

Mark, calling people liars and then not providing details about the lie is pretty much the kind of thing of which slogans are built. I do live in a bubble. I hear and see just enough to satisfy my curiosity, then let loose with my own talking points. I don’t have enough interest to out-google everyone else,and therefore, my commentary is general and, well, the mindless musings of the ‘Philosophy of Rauol’. I hope I am not wasting everyone’s time. And Vick, I think Rush is a pill that many people seem to like. Defending free market capitalism is out of style these days…and so, it seems, am I. But, it’s warm and safe in my bubble, so here I will stay.

By downsized

January 30, 2009 10:05 AM | Link to this

TRS-I am not nor ever was a fan of Saddam (unlike Rumsfeld and others). However, even under his despotic, horrific rule Sunni, Shiites, Christians and others lived side by side in relative peace (Kurds and others brutally notwithstanding). But, Iraq was a secular stopgap between the Islamic radicalism of Syria and Iran. And no, the fact votes are being cast does not persuade me that democracy is alive and well there (or by the now postponed Presidential election in Afghanistan either). I do agree that corruption in our government crosses party lines and both share culpability in the shoddy oversight and looting that has taken place. My contention is the “free market” you note, is not so free. Apparently, it’s socialist bail outs for Wall street investment firms, banks, automakers and insurers when their greed or stupidity gets them in trouble; but free market bankruptcy, unemployment, homelessness and suffering for the rest of us. Bail out dollars come from those who themselves need a bail out. The common people squeezed by high healthcare costs, spiraling energy and education prices, low wages, job losses and so on. As long as profiteering is going well (see Exxon-Mobil and Wall Street bonuses) the free market economists expound their virtue. When things tank, they plead for taxpayer/government socialism to save them and their profligate lifestyles. Socialism for the well connected and free market capitalism for the rest of us, is NOT a free market economy. Bankruptcy laws were made stiffer in recent years, primarily at the urging of credit card companies. These same entities are now recieving welfare to save themselves from bankruptcy. How do you call this a “free market”?! Less ideology and a bit more intellectual honesty, please.

By TRS

January 29, 2009 8:48 PM | Link to this

Downsized - the Iraqis are voting now and this weekend. 250,000 returned home in ‘08 and its estimated 500,000 will do so in ‘09. Surely you cannot think they were better off under Saddam. As for your characterizations, John Conyers might agree with you but I don’t. I don’t think liberal is a dirty word - I just think in many cases you are wrong. Obviously you are not fond of the free market; but, the reality is that we will survive and prosper based on the free market and not on government. An honest examination of why we are where we are finds many culperts, both politicians an business, Democrat and Republican. The discussion now is what will solve the problem. Apparently you want government to dispurse the table scraps so I guess the socialism “usual suspect” is not to far off.

By Blowfly

January 29, 2009 4:35 PM | Link to this

Wow, 26 posts on the great liberal media bias myth, and only one on the death of John Updike - one of finest writers this country has ever produced.

By ohio ex patriate

January 29, 2009 4:14 PM | Link to this

Who cares?! Seriously. WHO the @#$%! CARES?! Right! Left! They’re all a bunch of morons talking to whatever moron (read:us) who bothers to listen. Obama won.McCain lost.Sarah is back stalking caribou. Limbaugh and the rest are still around. BFD! Why bother with wasting perfectly good energy getting upset? Don’t worry about it. Take time and read a GOOD book. There’s so much stuff out there to immerse oneself in beside all the political flavor-of-the-day drivel.I currently have Jim Harrison’s “Saving Daylight” on my night stand.Give it a whirl. Vick: There you go again, making people crazy! By the way, 82 in Key West today. Hope all is well. Best.

By Mark from St Paul

January 29, 2009 2:49 PM | Link to this

Raoul, you must not read any progressive blogs. Maureen Dowd is despised by the left for having joined the Clinton lynch mob in the ’90s. Her cricitisms of the left are as unhinged and faulty as her criticisms of the right. You also must live in a bubble because the world is full of former conservatives who switched sides. John Cole at the Balloon Juice blog is an excellent example: principled conservative who couldn’t make Bush add up and who — painfully — came to realize that John Kerry was objectively more conservative than Bush (Kerry obviously is not a conservative, the point being that neither is/was Bush). I view conservative thought as extremely legitimate. I and others rip on Limbaugh etc because they are not legitimate, their shows are scripted by talking points not driven by news, and they lie. A lot. If you want to put a bet on it, I’m CERTAIN I can provide you with three documented lies from Rush for every “questionable” fact you can find in Bill Moyers’ writings and broadcasts. Your cause is not strengthened when you build your beliefs on a platform of lies, disinformation and propaganda. These are things that cannot be tolerated. Welfare moms don’t drive Cadillacs, Planned Parenthood prevents far more abortions than they recommend, corporations and suburbanites are the ultimate tax dodgers, and war is the ultimate budget buster. And no, you shouldn’t get your news from Al Franken OR Rush Limbaugh because they’re both liars who support Israel uber alles.

By vick

January 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Link to this

tsk, tsk, Raoul. There you go being reasonable again. Do they have such a thing as REASONABLE PILLS? Maybe we could slip some to Rush? We can pretend that it’s Oxycontin?

By Raoul

January 29, 2009 1:53 PM | Link to this

Vick, many of us would like to know why it is that Rush Limbaugh is hateful, despicable, yadda yadda yadda, but Al Franken and Maureen Dowd are not? Why are Limbaugh ‘ditto heads’ brainless morons incapable of coming up with clear thoughts, but viewers of, let’s say, Bill Moyers are simply well informed, smart, clear thinking, reasonable people? I know you haven’t exactly put forth those comments, but it sure seems like that is the accepted point of view of those that simply cannot tolerate conservatives. A good many conservatives, like myself, started off as liberals, mostly because we were guided that way through propaganda. Many of us began to embrace conservativism not because we did not weigh out the arguments, but precisely because we did consider all sides and chose what we think is the better position. However, not many conservatives have ever gone liberal (except maybe Mark from St. Paul). It seems a little creepy that Rush Limbaugh and Fox News get liberals all riled up. What is tolerance if not to accept the validity of the other side and learn to live with it?

By downsized

January 29, 2009 12:51 PM | Link to this

“round up the usual suspects”, eh, TRS. Socialism, for the rich, flourished under the corporate welfare policies of Bush and his appointees. From a pointless unprovoked war, no-bid contracts to tax windfalls, to exploiting public land use, gutting environmental protections, trade agreements expediting the loss of manufacturing and the destruction of unions, abandoning our borders, condoning the use of torture, your “heroes” have put us in a freefall. Now, you want to pin the tail on the donkey? I also must ask what exactly was won in Iraq? Do you really believe the blood and treasure expended for this catastrophe resulted in anything remotely good for their country or ours? What success do you allude to? Is Iraq safe? Are they a real democracy? Have our soldiers stopped being maimed and killed? Is Iran less of a threat? Did we kill Saddam Hussein? Are the Taliban and Al-Quaida vanquished? Are we revered as liberators in Iraq?Unless you have a piece of Halliburton or Blackwater who gained? And if, as you allege, no one is reading or listening to what you refer to as MSM, and they are irrelevant, what are you so upset about? As your cultural heroes, like Rush and Coulter, incite you to hate the President and the “MSM” they’re signing mega-contracts, taking advantage of your ditto-headed, lemming like enthusiasm, laughing all the way to the bank. You speak of liberalism like it’s a dirty word. Well, after 8 years of so-called compassionate conservatism, putting us in two wars, destroying the economy, allowing corporate entities to rape the land, pilfer the treasury and divide us into a plantation society of the aristocratic wealthy minority and the starving, struggling no-hope majority, I’ll take liberal any day. We have socialized, guaranteed healthcare and pensions for elected officials, “to-big-to let-them-fail” corporate fatcats with million dollar salaries and the rest of us are left to your free market table scraps. This approach has been the undoing of many societies throughout history. With the treasure gone what do you expect the President to do? If we don’t spend borrowed money or raise taxes what do think will happen? Conservatives aren’t conservative anymore. They mostly resemble Stalinists. Real conservatives, I believe, are ashamed of Rush, Coulter, Savage and the rest of the hate-mongerers.

By Mark from St Paul

January 29, 2009 11:37 AM | Link to this

A little late for a correction, but Obama’s Inauguration did NOT cost more than Bush’s. Wingnuts added up all the costs including security to manufacture this meme, but Bush’s inauguration costs didn’t include security which, quite obviously, was more costly in 2004 than in 2008 as Bush called up the military which I don’t believe was necessary this time around. Just one of many LIES THE HARD RIGHT IS INSERTING INTO THE NEWS NARRATIVE. There is also ZERO proof that 61 former Gitmo inmates are now fighting for al Qaeda. If you get your news from talk radio or Fox News, you’re filling your head with propaganda. Don’t you folks owe it to yourselves to demand truth from your news sources?

By vick

January 29, 2009 11:06 AM | Link to this

Dear Lovers of Limbaugh, before you get your knickers in such a twist in your Rush to defend and interpret your hero’s ill considered, spittle flecked verbiage, consider this: while I’m sure that not one single certifiable nut job tunes in to his show out of the millions who listen we do need to remember that there are some individuals in this country who don’t possess the depth of thought and consideration that you, my beloved commenters possess. These less thoughtful people could believe that Sweet Rush is speaking in coded language. I know, it sounds absurd since we live in a country where nobody would ever consider wreaking violence after hearing special messages from the ether, just ask Sirhan Sirhan, John Hinckley, or Squeaky Fromme what they were thinking when they vaulted from well-deserved anonymity to a prison cell. Rush wasn’t going after one measly point of contention, like a war. Rush was squashing the whole enchilada with his words, regardless of what you might claim he was really trying to say. We live in a sound bite world. Those taking the bites need to chew very carefully. A toothless Rush Limbaugh is quite inconceivable. Even so, this ponderous pundit needs to chill out on occasion. You don’t put out fires with gasoline. The mess that Barack Obama is trying to untangle is the legacy of George W. Bush. It behooves us to draw together in this time of deep crisis. The Republican Congress acts like Bush is still in office and that the Republicans are in the majority. Read your history. You might wish to start in 1929 with a clueless guy named Herbert Hoover. Rush Limbaugh is the Father Coughlin of our age.

By Me

January 29, 2009 10:48 AM | Link to this

All the talk about Rush’s comment is just another example of liberal media bias. If anyone took the time to actually listen to what Rush said, they would realize that the liberal media is spinning it for its own purposes. To paraphrase, Rush said that if Obama’s goals bring us more liberalism and closer to socialism, then he hopes he fails. And I agree.

By prose

January 29, 2009 10:41 AM | Link to this

I think Irishguy is laying down a smokescreen tactic. He’s simply trying to divert attention from the way our country can regain respect and our place of leadership as the leader of the free world. We need to prosecute Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and probably Ashcroft, Rice, Bremer and others for war crimes, fraud, perjury, theft, influence peddling and a host of other crimes. The Republicans have become the weak on crime, open borders, spend us into poverty party. Maybe Irishguy is a secret agent for Putin and the communists trying to weaken our government by unpatriotically undermining our President? What gives Irishguy? Why aren’t you shouting about the real bad guys. Are you for open borders, huge deficits, putting our soldiers in harm’s way for corporate profiteering?

By Rick

January 29, 2009 10:23 AM | Link to this

There is nothing hateful is disagreeing with the new president on policy matters and hoping that he does not succeed in getting them implemented. The Democrats were that way with President Bush and you never called that hateful.

By Raoul

January 29, 2009 10:10 AM | Link to this

Wow, just when I thought there was a global warming of partisanship, KER-BOOM!, it keeps pulling us all back in. I am no great fan of Bernie Goldberg. I think he shot his wad with “Bias”. The question I have for Vick and others is: Why should Limbaugh want Obama’s vision of big government, nanny-state, cure-all expansion of government to succeed? He has been railing against it for well over 20 years! It isn’t personal. It’s about politics and capitalism. If Obama succeeds, than all of Rush Limbaugh’s warnings about socialism and the destruction of private enterprise as we know it will be proven wrong. Of course he wants Obama to fail, for all the right reasons. Sheesh! It’s dissapointing that sound bites set off such a firestorm. We are at a crossroads right now, and the choice is to become like the worn out, stagnant European countries like Germany, UK, and France, or continue to be better, more robust, and dynamic like we have been. I hope Obama is the best President we ever had, but he ain’t gonna get there with this absurd stimulus package and turning his back on private enterprise.

By downsized

January 29, 2009 9:46 AM | Link to this

So, let me get this straight IG, the worst economic, environmental, diplomatic and healthcare crises in our lifetimes are relegated to your “other concerns” category, while your major problem is that our President of 9 days isn’t getting enough criticism?! Your tunnel vision ideology allows you to ignore genocide, famine, war, disease, economic cratering, the looting of treasury to support former “free market capitalists, the biggest generation in history starting to retire with their savings gone, homes being lost and our healthcare system on life support; but your problem is insufficient editorial criticism of President Obama? You mock some in the media for shedding a few tears at the inaugural while watching a man of color becoming the leader of the free world? Many of these journalists remember lynchings, firehoses, church bombings and blockaded schools. I do. Even Congressional Republican leaders have already commended the President for his efforts in meeting with them to discuss and hear their views on issues ranging from economic planning to foreign policy. This country is trying to come together to solve real problems. You may want to stop your quiddling and start pitching in to help.

By TRS

January 29, 2009 9:43 AM | Link to this

One other thought…using your logic, you have to say that those who wanted to pull out of Iraq in ‘05-‘06 wanted the United States to lose so the policy would not be successful. I guess they were hateful too…

By TRS

January 29, 2009 9:33 AM | Link to this

Reid did worse than that…he said the Iraq war was lost and said it from the Senate floor. So did that outrage you Vick? 1st, everyone wants the country to succeed; but, Rush’s comments are based on the fact that the Democrats and Pres Obama want to institutionalize liberalism and in some cases socialism into the permanent fabric of this country. From healthcare to the auto industry, the Democrats want heavy government involvement and even continued ownership in banks and major corporations. He doesn’t wish this because of “hate” as you like to put it - he advocates this because he believes its bad for the country. Did you actually listen to the interview?

By TRS

January 29, 2009 12:23 AM | Link to this

Well - how about Brian Williams saying that all the Presidents before Obama were “evil” choices? Or the Washington Post reporter describing Obama “The sun glinted off chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weight-lifting sessions each week and a body toned by regular treadmill runs and basketball games.” Or the reporter on a major network who commented that “the nation was better for it” (referring to Obama’s election). Goldberg’s point is simple. The media crossed the line. It is expected that they are bias but they went from witnessing history with an expected bias to shaping and promoting it. They became activists. Many jumped on the Obama bandwagon and aren’t the least bit ashamed. And now you expect people to believe that they will be a watchdog? One poll reflects that only 19% of people trust the legacy media. 24% believe little or nothing they have to say. Almost half those polled have little or no trust in the media. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that liberals and Democrats give the legacy media higher creditability than others as some of the comments we see here reflect. One only need look at the MSM print media like the NYT who is about bankrupt, others around the country going out of business and the people are showing their distrust via their wallets. What is amazing is that anyone even attempts to argue the point.

By vick

January 28, 2009 11:47 PM | Link to this

Reid and Pelosi said that Bush would fail? Rush Limbaugh hopes for Barack Obama to fail. If in fact Reid and Pelosi made statements like that then they sound like observations, not fervent hopes. Rush Limbaugh claims to be a patriot yet he desires that our President should fail. All I can say to Rush is: America, love it or leave it. This is our president now. When Rush Limbaugh stirs up his audience with vicious, hateful words he is not being a good American or a patriot. Perhaps he should move to Gaza? Then we won’t need to listen to him spew more of his unpatriotic sewage.

By irishguy

January 28, 2009 10:08 PM | Link to this

DS, no doubt, Mr Obama has been handed a bad economy and a slew of other concerns, but I haven’t heard a critical word from the MSM (main stream media, for the Vick’s in the audience). All the critic’s I’ve seen are from the righties. Mr Bush was scolded about spending 40 mil for his inaugural festivities, While Mr Obama’s was around 3 times as much. The media is still fawning over him. “even the birds are in awe” reporters crying, etc. etc. Vick, why is it when Reid & Pelosi were saying Bush would fail, that was called “patriotic dissent” but when Rush does it, it’s “hateful”?

By downsized

January 28, 2009 4:28 PM | Link to this

C’mon IG, President Obama has been strongly criticized for his expensive inaugural, his choices for cabinet nominees and chief-of-staff, closing Gitmo, redecorating and even his bail out proposal. He was handed two wars, an illegal correctional facility, flagging U.S. respect even by our allies, a sea of budgetary red ink, an economic depression and a bankrupt treasury. Pretty short “honeymoon” for ANY incoming President by any measure a rational person would use.

By vick

January 28, 2009 4:21 PM | Link to this

MSM? BHO? Are those cable networks??

By irishguy

January 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Link to this

Vick, then just compare the first 8 days. The MSM is fawning over BHO. You’d think they all have a “man crush”

By Dave

January 28, 2009 3:22 PM | Link to this

Goldberg is off the mark pretty badly. Obama WAS clearly getting favorable media coverage early on. But while BHO fought it out with Hillary, every possible bit of dirt was unearthed and discussed in detail. Right wing pundits like Goldberg slept through that while they argued whether or not McCain was conservative enough to deserve their support. Later, when they finally turned their attention to the opposition, they got upset because the “liberal” mainstream media wasn’t jumping on Ayres and similar stuff that had already been beat to death.

By Mark from St Paul

January 28, 2009 3:21 PM | Link to this

1) Media Matters was founded by David Brock, a rightwing attack hack who got sick of being paid to lie about Hillary Clinton. He’s written a book about this and frankly it’s dishonest to call him liberal when he’s simply disgusted by the hard right. 2) The Brokaw example cited by Vick doesn’t really convey the extraordinary dishonesty of what Goldberg did. He literally took a question from one part of the interview, and then used part of an answer to a different question for the reply. This is profoundly dishonest in a way that cannot be excused. Goldberg is a professional liar who exploits his media contacts to flog lie-ridden books. He doesn’t deserve your respect anymore than former Colorado prof Ward Churchill deserves mine. (Churchill, btw, lost his job while Bernie’s getting rich despite being a far bigger liar.)

By vick

January 28, 2009 2:42 PM | Link to this

Irish, after 8 days of President Obama how does one compare his media coverage with 8 years of President Bush? Remind me in 8 years when their terms have been equal to do that comparison…in the meantime let’s ignore your buddy Rush and his hateful desire that President Obama fails. We all know how bad that will be. That pompous windbag Limbaugh is another major source of poisonous carbon emissions…

By irishguy

January 28, 2009 2:31 PM | Link to this

DS, from my cold dead hands! LOL! I believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as well. The 2nd amendment being a personal favorite. Vick, I should be specific, certainly the planet warms and cools, it’s just not “man made”. Are you telling me the media coverage of BHO hasn’t been more favorable than that of W?

By downsized

January 28, 2009 2:13 PM | Link to this

I’m really sorry the big, bad liberal media didn’t save us from two terms of the worst President in U.S. history. Face it IG you’re a member of the flat earth society and the people of this country have finally woken up. That’s right, we believe in the U.S. Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, diplomacy, global warming, clean air and water, a progressive income tax, stopping corporate welfare, that waterboarding is torture and next we’re coming to get your assault rifles! Beware! Be afraid, the Liberals are coming!

By vick

January 28, 2009 1:30 PM | Link to this

Exactly, Irish. Thanks, for validating the points that the “liberal” reviewer tried to make by accusing me of “liberal media bias,” too. And speaking of “global warming.” It does exist. If you don’t believe me try standing next to your pal Bernie some time. There’s enough hot air coming out of that guy to alter the carbon footprint of the entire planet!

By irishguy

January 28, 2009 1:15 PM | Link to this

I’m shocked, shocked, that a guy from the far left Media Matters disagrees with Bernie Goldberg! Why don’t you show a review from a conservative source, like the Media Research Center? I like the lede “Right wing pundit foams at mouth” and how you put liberal media bias in quotations as if it were “global warming” or some such myth. I wonder how many times you’ve written “left wing pundit foams at the mouth”? A smart guy like you, even when you agree with the media, HAS to see how favorable Mr Obama’s coverage has been.
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