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Some memories from Sweet Lou

Was walking down a side street off Michigan Avenue shortly after noon Tuesday, about to turn into my hotel, when somebody yelled, “Hal, Hal!”

Looked up and strolling down the sidewalk was Chicago Cubs manager Lou Piniella. Amazingly, nobody recognized him, nobody stopped him for a chat or an autograph and nobody interrupted us as we stood on the sidewalk for five minutes talking baseball.

Sweet Lou. Love the guy. My all-time favorite out of the ga-zillion (actually 16) managers I’ve covered in Cincinnati in my 36 years.

Piniella, of course, was the last (1990) to take the team to a World Series championship.

And I know there are a lot of Cub-haters out there, but with the Reds wallowing in their own mediocrity, I’m rooting hard for the Cubs, just because of Lou.

I mean, the guy is so comfortable with himself he wasn’t afraid to ask a writer, me, when he took over the Reds, “Hal, what does this team need the most?”

I told him, “A leadoff hitter.”

Halfway through the season he came up to me and said, “You were absolutely right. That was our biggest need.” That’s when Piniella made Barry Larkin his leadoff hitter.

Piniella stories are legend - many of them well-known, including his base-tossing tirade in Cincinnati and his clubhouse wrestling match with Rob Dibble.

I was witness to them all, many of which I’ve already related in this space.

I’ve never known a man who hates to lose more than Piniella. Nobody likes to lose, but Lou takes every loss personally and it is as if there is a big ‘L’ emblazoned on his face after it happens.

In San Diego, the clubhouse guy used to have a large bucket big enough to ice down four or five bottles of beer for a manager’s post-game consumption, if he so wished.

One night after a tough loss, as the writers walked into his office, Lou was behind his desk with a sheepish grin and said, “Watch the ice, guys.”

He had kicked the bucket, so to speak, splattering ice all over his office floor, so much that it looked as if a hockey game was about to start.

Another time, for some reason somebody had put a huge plastic bubble (as big as a beach ball) full of gum balls in his office. He never took a single gum ball out of the container, just let it squat in his office.

Another tough loss. Another sly Piniella grin after the game, “Watch the gum balls, guys,” he said. The floor was covered with literally hundreds of gum balls, with a shattered plastic container strewn among the multi-colored gum balls.

I’ve told this one, but it is my favorite.

Dibble was his closer and there was a situation for him to close. Dibble didn’t close and when I asked Dibble why he said, “Go ask the manager.”

So I did. And Lou said, “He told me before the game his arm was a bit sore and he wasn’t available.”

So I returned to Dibble and told him what Piniella said and Dibble screamed, “The manager is a liar.”

So I trudged back into Lou’s office and said, “Your closer just called you a liar.”

Piniella flattened me against his office door and he sprinted to the clubhouse, jumped on Dibble and the fight was on. Pitcher Tim Belcher broke it up but he wasn’t gung-ho about it - either afraid to get hurt or happy that Piniella had the upper hand over Dibble.

Ah, sweet memories from Sweet Lou. If and when I do my book, there are a couple of X-rated stories I’ll include, one involving an interview with a guy from a Christian radio station in Cincinnati. It’s classic.

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By Pratt

December 21, 2008 11:14 AM | Link to this

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By ラフティング

September 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Link to this

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By Stuttgart Tim

August 22, 2008 7:26 PM | Link to this

NO Michael. YOU are wrong. Pete was a great player. He was a terrible manager. He built nothing.

By michael

August 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Link to this

timb, you have the wrong guy. I don’t criticise Dusty Baker. I, like many others who understand the game, only question some of his decisions. I am actually optimistic about DB as manager. I do often criticise Dick Pole and Brook Jacoby, because I see fundamentally sound players losing it when they come here from the minors. I just hope they don’t mess with Dickerson now.

By timb

August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Link to this

All he produced as manager of the Reds was nada. Oh, and the next time you criticize Dusty, who is NOT a great manager, but at least has appeared in two more NLCS’s and one more World Series than Pete, just remember the low bar you set for managerial results. Oh, and try to forget the decade of lying Pete committed, starting in 1989, regarding his gambling. PS Lastly, Michael, just so you know, I think Pete was a good player, who deserves to be in HOF. Like many excellent players, he was a often a classless jerk (DiMaggio, Cobb, even Ruth come to mind). I lived through his management tenure and he was a disaster as a manager. Doesn’t take the shine off his playing career. I love Ted Williams as a ballplayer, but he wasn’t exactly an excellent manager for the Senators. For what it’s worth, I’m sure the Hit King would appreciate your love and provide that autograph to you (for 50 bucks or so).

By michael

August 21, 2008 11:23 AM | Link to this

don’t care what he did with his undershirts! He produced as a player and manager. Pete played and managed the right way, and as a result the Reds won a lot of games while Pete was a Cincinnati Red. What’s with the hatred timb, did he not sign a ball for you when you were a kid?

By timb

August 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Link to this

I mentioned “sad sack manager.” Why don’t you google “John Franco, three inning save attempt” and check who the manager was. While LaRussa was busy working on the one inning save with the White Sox and revolutionizing bullpen use, Pete was managing like Leo Duroscher. Anyway, I’m glad you think a lot of that guy. I sure regarded him more highly when I learned he wore a different shirt for each inning of his quest for 4192, so he could sell them on QVC. He was a class act (player manager making bets on his team and “maximizing his earning potential”! That DID require hustle

By michael

August 20, 2008 1:47 PM | Link to this

timb wrote: Be glad you missed it and can still worship Pete Rose, cheater, adulterer, sad sack manager, snake oil salesman, tax evader and gambler. Must be nice. timb, you forgot to mention baseball player and manager! Thats what I care about, and he did go from last in 84 when he took over for Vern Rapp, to 2nd in 85. Not too shabby. Don’t take it personal. Theres no crying in baseball, timb. By the way, the Cubs could use another fan from Indy.

By timb

August 20, 2008 1:35 PM | Link to this

From indy, so I could give a crap about the Bengals. Noted Pete fan Tracy Jones has said on many occasions that Pete’s managerial style was to thrown the bats and balls on the field and say “have at it, boys”. Lastly: Rose managed 6 seasons (1984-1989) Number of division titles = 0, number of world series = 0. Lou managed them for two years and won where Pete couldn’t. Poor Michael, never had to experience the joy of watching a Pete Rose team drop every four game series on the West Coast for four straight year (the 1987 collapse was awesome). Be glad you missed it and can still worship Pete Rose, cheater, adulterer, sad sack manager, snake oil salesman, tax evader and gambler. Must be nice.

By michael

August 20, 2008 12:50 PM | Link to this

once again timb, you are wrong and you don’t understand the game. Pete Rose made the decisions on that club, and do you really think he would manage a team that he didn’t control? He did not have the best talent in baseball when he took the job did he? 2nd place? Not too bad if you ask me. I can see that you don’t care for Pete, but you probably are a Chris Henry fan, huh?

By timb

August 20, 2008 11:39 AM | Link to this

bigdoc, Jim Bowden was the driving force behind trading O’Neill. Hal, I’m pretty sure Lou would be dead by now, if he managed this team. So many fans think managers do something important, when their sole job is to put the right player in the right situation (h/t Tony LaRussa). Lou’s team would suck here just as badly as this one does. Speaking of sucking, the Red continue to play Patterson in center, because he’s the only pure center fielder on the roster. Corey can’t hit and on a good team he wouldn’t play, but he can play defense. He covers a lot of ground and has a nice arm. If he plays very much in 2009, well, that’s terrible, but right now, Dusty has an obligation to win every game he can and the best way to win with this roster is to play a CF with range. I cannot — and I defy anyone to — explain Bako.

By timb

August 20, 2008 11:29 AM | Link to this

Michael, do you have to ruin everything? Pete Rose was neither the General Manager of that ball club nor “its manager”. he showed up to games, wrote out a line up, and waited for adoring fan to worship him, while the team with the best talent in division finished second THREE times. He sucked as a manager. I remember 1989 as a great season, because it enabled the Reds to be free of a lodestone who Marge wouldn’t fire and brain-dead fans wouldn’t run out of town. At the time of his departure, I was a college kid, living and breathing baseball and I remember Sports Illustrated ranked him as the worst manager in the National League and either Whitey Herzog or Lasorda referred to his presence in the dugout as a gift to the opposing team. He was a great player, but he did not “build” the 1990 Reds, nor did he manage the team he was given very well. From Wiki “In 1987, General Manager Bergesch was replaced by Murray Cook, who initiated a series of deals that would finally bring the Reds back to the championship, starting with acquisitions of Danny Jackson and Jose Rijo, finally letting go of Bergesch favorites Stillwell and Parker. In 1989, Cook was succeeded by Bob Quinn, who put the final pieces of the championship puzzle together, with acquisitions such as Hal Morris, Billy Hatcher, and Randy Myers.” Cook and Quinn built that team.

By Mr. Redlegs (Original)

August 20, 2008 11:06 AM | Link to this

Hal, Lou is my favorite manager to work with. Period. Just love the guy. Thing is, he’s got this awful temper and he realizes it. But he can’t help himself. Then, almost immediately after an eruption, he’s all sheepish and many times apologetic. Not very far down he’s a big softy and, really, just a sensational guy. I’m rootin’ for Lou, too. Another title perhaps gets him into the Hall as a manager.

By Cait

August 20, 2008 11:00 AM | Link to this

Back in 1990, I was a small town newspaper sportswriter & went to a Reds caravan stop in Columbus. I was the only “girl” in a room full of sportsguys. A group gathered around Lou and fired questions which Lou answered dilligently. I tossed in a question about Joe Oliver coming up due to injury in 89 and his potential to really help the Reds as the full-time catcher. Lou agreed that Oliver was a find and elaborated on what he expected from him. Having drawn attention to myself (and therefore, my gender), the very next question was a (male) writer asking Lou his opinion of women in the lockerroom. What a jerk, I thought, knowing he only asked the question because I had spoken up. Sweet Lou - from that point forward my favorite manager - had my back. His answer? “Well, I find that women sports writers often ask better questions.” I hate the Cubbies, but like Hal, I’m rooting for Lou.

By michael

August 20, 2008 9:48 AM | Link to this

Hal, I liked Lou Pinella. He led the Reds from wire to wire, but Pete Rose built that 1990 Championship team. Pete gets a lot of credit in my book.

By Tony T

August 20, 2008 8:28 AM | Link to this

Hal: Love your column. I’m a church pastor, and I want to hear the x-rated story now!

By Ty

August 20, 2008 12:15 AM | Link to this

Hal, PLEASE write a book!!! It is the closest thing all of your fans can get to sitting down and talking with you all day!!!

By Diamond Dave

August 19, 2008 11:13 PM | Link to this

Hey Hal, remember that day I asked Lou for a comment about Randy Myers after all the radio guys left, and he started going on and on about Myers trade request through the media and getting angrier and angrier, and stormed out of his office looking for Randy? Classic Lou. I was sorely disappointed they didn’t bring him back when he was available. FWIW, I’m rooting for him, too. Great guy.

By todcon1

August 19, 2008 8:57 PM | Link to this

Hal, if you don’t write that book, I for one will be very disappointed.

By post office Dean

August 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Link to this

Marge, “you go girl”, that was right on.

By rob in stl

August 19, 2008 7:54 PM | Link to this

Can’t get enough of all the clubhouse stories and anecdotes! I hadn’t heard the ice and gum ball stories,but trust me, I was on the floor. I love Piniella too, but that Wrigley atmosphere along with Edmonds’ antics and Soriano’s constant posturing make me ill. I’m rooting for a Northside meltdown.

By Y-City Jim

August 19, 2008 7:46 PM | Link to this

Mark in Sun Valley, so much for the idea. Both Bako and Patterson are starting tonight.

By Marge

August 19, 2008 7:44 PM | Link to this

When Dusty was hired I wasn’t exactly thrilled but I figured I would give him a chance since he had some nice achievements (Wins, MOY). Now looking back at the Reds, especially the offense of 2007, you had B. Phillips(.288/30/94),Edwin(.289/17HR/76), Dunn(40/100/100), Griffey(30/93),Keppinger(.332),Valentin/Ross(good offensive duo). Under Dusty all these positive aspect of the O have done considerably worse than last year. The other parts of the lineup Dusty inserted has failed. Phillips/EE/Griffey all try to pull everything. CP/Bako are the worst since Jason LaRue. Report Card on Dusty’s handling of the offense D-. Defense C-. Pitching B (tell the pitchers to throw inside). Baserunning D. Motivation F.

By Brarhopper

August 19, 2008 7:38 PM | Link to this

I’m not Hal, but I’ll take a stab at an answer, Beard. The 2009 Reds need an enema and you can start by inserting the tube in the dugout.

By Petey in LA

August 19, 2008 7:32 PM | Link to this

Hal’s stories are the best part of his writing! NOT writing this book would be a crime.

By Steve Cy

August 19, 2008 7:21 PM | Link to this

Mark in Sun Valley — thanks for that link. I was an advertising copywriter during my professional career and was called upon to write a lot of press releases and other corporate communications and PR pieces for the bigwigs. I can tell you, this letter is a fluff piece and a shallow and hollow load of crap that says or contains very little substance. It’s a “stop the bleeding” attempt. Pure BS IMO.

By Beard

August 19, 2008 7:20 PM | Link to this

Hal if someone were to ask you ‘what the 2009 Reds need most?’ what would you reply?

By HuberTucky

August 19, 2008 7:11 PM | Link to this

Aw, c’mon Hal, can’t you tell the christian radio station story and just use asterisks or euphamisms?

By Mark in Sun Valley

August 19, 2008 6:22 PM | Link to this

Put me down for a first edition of your book Hal. I am curious about the open letter to the fans management sent out today. The timing seems odd to me. I just hope the last sentence was delivered to Dusty and we do see the young talent for evaluation instead of more Corey and Bako. For those that did not get it, here’s a link. http://link.mlblists.com/r/5BE8IX/Q343W/IYK82/V7V9/CA60J/1G/t?a=partnerId=ed-1575272-55434385%26source=ed-1575272-55434385

By Rob

August 19, 2008 6:20 PM | Link to this

Hal, you simply are the best. Your down to earth nature is as obvious in your writing as your gift for poetically crafting sentences and jokes. Keep up the good work. P.S. I want to read about the X-rated comments from Lou to the Christian guy.

By Mark

August 19, 2008 5:57 PM | Link to this

Hal: Is there a story behind why Marty used to refer to Piniella as “Pot Roast Lou”?

By Y-City Jim

August 19, 2008 5:42 PM | Link to this

Lou is more of your favorite than Sparky?

By John

August 19, 2008 5:33 PM | Link to this

Should have sacked Narron and hired back sweet Lou when we had the chance.

By Red Faced

August 19, 2008 4:53 PM | Link to this

Being a Reds fan would be so much more entertaining if: Hal’s book was available. Lou Piniella was our manager I was so excited when Lou was rumored to be in Cincinnati talking to Castellini before he was named the Cubs manager.

By bigdoc

August 19, 2008 4:45 PM | Link to this

Now, this is the same guy that insisted the Reds trade Paul O’Neill, right? Think ‘Big’ could have helped the mid-90s Reds?
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