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By Old Jimmy

December 19, 2007 3:52 AM | Link to this

They come around for chairities all the time and WE donate the money or goods and G.M. takes the credit for it as a ” Corperate Donation” for United Way, Jerry’s Kids, Coats for Kids, Eyeglasses for the Needy, Cellphones for Battered Women. We dont get paid to drive the G.M. cars in the Dayton Christmas Parade, We do it on OUR time for the Corparation. None of you say ANYTHING good about what we do, you just wish we would lose OUR jobs so YOU can feel better about yourselves, Thats pretty petty.

By Old Jimmy

December 19, 2007 3:45 AM | Link to this

A lot of people here have bad feelings about G.M. workers and how much they make, WE make NOTHING compared to upper management. Rick Wagoner get multi million dollar bonuses every year to cut people and costs to get the shareholders bigger cuts of the money. Last time I heard he got a 13 MILLION dollar bonus, you think him sitting on his duff in Detroit nitpicking OUR jobs into the ground is worth that kind of money? We make PEANUTS compared to those people yet you attack us. Old Jimmy

By LadiBug

December 19, 2007 1:22 AM | Link to this

Sad.

By LadiBug

December 19, 2007 1:22 AM | Link to this

Sad.

By LadiBug

December 19, 2007 1:21 AM | Link to this

Sad.

By GM Worker

December 17, 2007 11:59 AM | Link to this

And yes retired workers are a big facter in this selling cost,but if you make a deal with someone to work for you for 30 years at jobs you set up and agree to the process of pay,how to build,and what they will get for retirment,and put it down on paper,and make it a legal contract.Then don’t try to get out of that deal later when the person has done thier part.And to those saying you should have planned better,tell that to GM.They decide all the planning of the trucks.

By GM Worker

December 17, 2007 11:50 AM | Link to this

The only couches at the Moraine Plant are the two in the front Welcome Lobby and in the offices of the GM managment team,so if you seen people sleeping then, who did you really see sleeping?Can you answer that?And by the way,it costs GM 3200 dollars to make the trucks total,that covers all the costs,so why is the cost to buy one start at 32,000 dollars?Do you people think that with all the jobs,parts,and the wages going out of the country,that these trucks will do down in price?

By GM Worker

December 17, 2007 11:40 AM | Link to this

To all those out there that are saying auto-workers are lazy and do nothing,well why don’t you post on here,what you do for a living and how much you make(and I mean the truth about it).That way all us can take cheap shots at you,your work and all the bull** that you people think you know about what we do.And to all those who said they have taken a tour of are plant and said”I saw all the workers sleeping and doing nothing,just standing around,or sleeping on a couch.

By 140,000

December 17, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

P.S.(I hate ignorance) YOU NEED TO MARRY THAT GIRL BEFORE YOU HAVE TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT (AGAIN) IT’S CHEAPER TO KEEP HER!

By 140,000

December 17, 2007 9:35 AM | Link to this

To (I hate ignorance) you did’nt make out better than me because 1st you worked like a Hebrew slave for that 70,000 working overtime, 2nd I cleared over $98,000 after taxes, had a 50,000 job waiting for me August 7, 2006, plus I have a wife that makes 65,000. Like I said before it’s how you invest money that makes you money and you MUST have a plan. Congrats on your girl finishing NURSING school!

By dandy dave

December 17, 2007 2:32 AM | Link to this

Wow, after reading all the above comments I began to wonder where all the above grade school dropouts went to school. I think all the above mis-spellers should quit bitchin and go back to elementry school and start from the beginning again.! Then get a real job!

By Boon

December 17, 2007 12:40 AM | Link to this

GM Moraine fate is sealed, the plant will close, not if, but when. DDN, the plant workers, along with civic leaders, are holding onto a false hope that some sort of miracle will keep the plant open. What benefit does GM have to keep the plant open? At any rate, while I drive a Ford, and have always and probably will always drive American made,I am thrilled to see the Dayton area as a whole decline, especially since I no longer live in the miami valley, and generally don’t care about Dayton.

By Ginger Bread Man

December 16, 2007 5:43 PM | Link to this

Why don’t everyone stop buying GM products and teach those greedy SOB’s a lesson! I’m appalled at the loyalty from GM’s corporate office and the union, right, they have been screwing you line workers for eions.

By D CAMPBELL

December 16, 2007 5:04 PM | Link to this

I love you morons who are always bashing GM workers .You never say a word about too much upper management and thir million dollar salaries ,plus their even bigger bonuses for running the companies in the ground . The workers donot design the product they just build it . How many of you idiots could stand on your feet for 8 hrs a day and do their jobs .I have worked in a factory the easy jobs come after many years of seniority and many nasty jobs . good luck and god bless you .

By Fedup1

December 16, 2007 4:37 PM | Link to this

The smart laid off gmer will put any buy-out money in the bank for the rainy days that is sure to come and start hitting the payment for a job. Some people have been spending like they have became millionaires and not using any COMMON SENSE!These days were coming for a long, long time and everyone knew it and not making any preparation for it.If everyone is financially responsible they won’t end up on welware!I need a fuel efficient

By karon

December 16, 2007 3:58 PM | Link to this

The city of Dayton must be restored. Job creations come from a thriving city NOT suburbs. Support passenger rails that would connect the city of Dayton with the suburbs!

By BillieD

December 16, 2007 3:52 PM | Link to this

The accountants have ruined GM’s product, and the union has ruined GM’s workforce. GM has to start making quality vehicles and the union has to get real about wages and benefits, or your done. It’s a different world now. Keep up or get left behind.

By Paul

December 16, 2007 3:28 PM | Link to this

GM workers are the Eastern Airline people of auto assembly. The pro and con I read on these posts show the conflict all of you are creating and refuse to correct. None of you know, nor will accept, that your “career” at GM in Moraine is coming to an end. Somehow, you have to prove to GM that you’ll work for Toyota/Honda/Nissan/Hyaundai-Kia wages and benefits. Reality. GM is salivating at having costs like their Asian competitors. You build a quality product,take back the auto market. Survive.

By ?

December 15, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

I still haven’t seen a message from any GM employee complaining about the situation. The only bitching and complaining are from the others.

By The Real Old Jimmy

December 15, 2007 1:23 PM | Link to this

To the people pretending to be me, Dont you worry, I will be at work monday to make sure my taxes are paid so you get your food stamps and welfare checks on time. I would not want you to have to go get a job and mess up your lives so you cant sit around making things up about people with REAL lives. God forbid you people soil your hands in the REAL world by working when you can be sooo big and bad in YOUR cyber world. I try to explain to 1 idiot how it really is and people act like this.

By Old Jimmy

December 15, 2007 10:25 AM | Link to this

Sorry fellas, I got arrested with a male prostitute yesterday afternoon and it took my mom a while to go to all the cash advance places to bail me out. At least they didnt get my weed though, I gotta go to the high school monday and sell a bunch to pay momma back. Well I guess I will go smoke 5 or 6 bowls and head over to the plant to build some trucks! Old Jimmy

By Been to many GM plants

December 15, 2007 1:47 AM | Link to this

I have been to you plant. I have watched you work. I have watched 3rd shift employees come to work tired and go to the nurse to sleep. Work for 50 seconds out of a minute? Maybe some do, but most don’t. I watched the person sitting in the chair doing a crossword puzzle waiting on the next truck. I was shocked at the waste of time and money through out the plant. You should thank IUE,lazy workers, poor quality work as well as your poor planning for your problems.Sorry you will make real wages now

By Why Not

December 14, 2007 8:45 PM | Link to this

try getting an education vs. crying about free handouts. Must be nice to get a buyout. If they were smart they would have given you a pink slip and a swift kick in the a$% instead. Get over it. Put the bong down you looser and go to school. Oh wait you didnt listen to Mommy and daddy when you were in elementry school you idiots. Hey Mike can we have a tour of the Union offices also, or the cubby holes in the overpaid not so “skilled” trades areas also? 99% of the country could care less!

By Why Not

December 14, 2007 8:44 PM | Link to this

try getting an education vs. crying about free handouts. Must be nice to get a buyout. If they were smart they would have given you a pink slip and a swift kick in the a$% instead. Get over it. Put the bong down you losser and go to school. Oh wait you dodnt listen to Mommy and daddy when you were in elementry school you idiots. Hey Mike can we have a tour of the Union offices also, or the cubby holes in the overpaid not so “skilled” trades areas also? 99% of the country could care less!

By I Hate Ignorance

December 14, 2007 8:30 PM | Link to this

Go to your local er for say a broken limb or even the flu and see how long that $40,000 last. Multiply that by your limbs and your childrens limbs and make a decision. My girlfriend took the buyout and thank god I didn’t. She passed her final for her nursing program the same day as the layoff was announced. Talk about timing. Her money been ran out. I was her pillar of support and now she will become mine. No harm no foul. Buyout wasn’t the best thing going.

By I Hate Ignorance

December 14, 2007 8:27 PM | Link to this

Go to your local er for say a broken limb or even the flu and see how long that $40,000 last. Multiply that by the your limbs and your childrens limbs and make a decision. My girlfriend took the buyout and thank god I didn’t. She passed her final for her nursing program the same day as the layoff was announced. Talk about timing. Now she can take over the household while I go to school. No harm no foul. But really I know plenty of college educated people that don’t make what you make at GM.

By I Hate Ignorance

December 14, 2007 8:19 PM | Link to this

Hey 140,000 you know most of the people who took that buyout fell on their faces. I said MOST. That is the honest to God truth. That was a risk I wasn’t willing to take. I get $40,000 after taxes and have to worry about me and my children’s health. Not to mention if you take the buyout, to child support you quit your job. Now you have an inflated order with no income. They will not adjust it. I made over $70,000 in the same year you took that buyout. I still make out better than you.

By Time & 1/2 to sleep

December 14, 2007 7:35 PM | Link to this

Hey Mike Hall were you on overtime when you made that post. I’m sure it was not your own time. I love all the extra overtime offers the Union reps get over the person on the line. Why don’t you try reducing reps and giving up your free rocking chair money first. That may save your plant. But, you are probally sitting in a luxury hotel in Troy, Michigan negotiating your next compnay paid Union trip to Vegas. I hope your steak at Ruth Chris tastes good on your members dime.see unionfacts.com

By f

December 14, 2007 7:29 PM | Link to this

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By Just my Opinion

December 14, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

It’s unbelievable some of the post on here. Think about it, if GM closes, then someone in your family may lose their job too. Just like I stated yesterday, it’s a domino effect. I could never wish for someone’s household to suffer at the hands of a corporations decision. For thos who wish the plant closes, you need to pray that your pink slip is not next.

By Old Jimmy

December 14, 2007 2:14 PM | Link to this

Insurance and retirement KeithV, I didnt have 10 years in at the time of the buyout so I stayed, If I do get laid off I will run my company full time.I was not going to give up my job for a lump sum that was less than my unemployment and sub pay and insurance would have been if I had been laid off. I think they said it was around 40k after taxes so my benifits were worth more than that.Old Jimmy

By KiethV

December 14, 2007 1:44 PM | Link to this

Sorry Jimmy, that was freaking funny rite there, I don’t care who you are, thats funny! You can tell people off all you want pal, It ain’t gonna keep them doors open. Our days are numbered, thats why I got out bud. If you got your own company making more than GM why in the world would put up with the crap instead of taking the buyout and running.

By GM worker

December 14, 2007 12:19 PM | Link to this

If you are single,divorced and no deductions, 1/3 of your pay goes straight to taxes. Add additional ins., charity, help to other family members who have lost jobs (NAFTA) or just make minimum wages and you lose a chunk of your wages each week. We make money on paper, but don’t kid yourselves, there is a lot we never see and never will. If the middle class (that’s us) goes away, where do you think the tax base will be next? Gov. can’t run on 0 taxes.

By Old Jimmy

December 14, 2007 12:10 PM | Link to this

Is that the best you can do Marty, live out your fantasy under my name? You are so sad it’s not even funny. At least be a MAN and tell your secrets under your own name.Brad Paisley just brought out a new song about people like you, hiding in Mommas basement on their Mac living large on the internet.Old Jimmy

By KiethV

December 14, 2007 12:05 PM | Link to this

I went to rets for the HVAC school after I took the buyout and it was great. You guys can get as mad as you want at the people who talk crap about us but you know they are mostly right. It was a shock for me because GM was all I knew, but I do my work and get good money now without the union crap. I got 3 raises since i been here based on my ability and how good I do. My buddy that went to school with me held onto the union mentality and he quit after 2 months. 140 is right.

By GM worker

December 14, 2007 12:00 PM | Link to this

FYI, there are quite a few people working inside Moraine with college degrees. Some job markets are tight and they have come where they can make a decent living. Most jobs break your body down in 1 or more ways. In the past, there probably were ‘easy’ jobs. With lean manufacturing, those days are long gone. I counted the things I do on my job last night. It requires 20 or more steps and you can be sure it isn’t just 1 bolt or nut. Autos don’t assemble themselves.

By Robsloan

December 14, 2007 11:57 AM | Link to this

Geez Jimmy, a little too much honesty there brother. Were not all like that folks. Most of us like the ladies. Looks like its back to school for me soon. anybody been to rets tech?

By Old Jimmy

December 14, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

As a gay man i will miss the touch of my cowerkers hands that i get now during stolen moments in the bathroom stalls. I just love sneaking out to the lot for a little afternoon delite with a big hairy guy from the line. If i go a day with out balls on my chin i get cranky. im so glad us gay gm guys have this site to reveel are true sleves. The people on the dayton dailey news site are really mean. i hope I dont post this there by mistake. i would be ruwined. ill be at waffle house at 2:00.

By 140,000

December 14, 2007 11:24 AM | Link to this

THOSE at gm thought THOSE that took the buyout were crazy. And they made STUPID remarks toward us. Not all people at gm planned on 30yrs and out. If you have a plan and make money for yourself and not just for the company you could’ve left like I did. EXCUSE #1 I’m the only one who has insurance. EXCUSE #2 I can’t make this kinda $ anywhere else. EXCUSE #3 MY lazy wife does’nt work. EXCUSE #4 I have child support, too many CARS “with rims”, a boat,vacation house ,a camper, etc, well to bad now.

By Old Jimmy

December 14, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Marty, I was wondering how long it would take for you to play the RACE card.Yout true colors are out now and anything you say from here on is useless as are you.I put the bait out there and you jumped on it like a hungry dog so now your credibility is shot. You must spend LOTS of time in bathrooms to worry about them sooo much. Maybe you are a lurker because it sounds to me like you are the one avoiding WORK hiding out doing who knows what in the stalls.Old Jimmy

By 140,000

December 14, 2007 11:13 AM | Link to this

Hey MIKE HALL how much did you get paid for that response? 3:24 should’nt you be representing someone? TO MARTY, your right about the 140,000. I no longer have 140,000, I NOW HAVE ABOUT 165,000 INVESTED WITH AMERIPRISE + A CAREER WITH PERKS + I DON”T COME HOME SMELLING LIKE GM + MY HOUSE IS’NT ABOUT TO GO INTO FORCLOSURE + NO CAR NOTE + WEEKEND OR WEEKDAY VACATIONS WHEN “I” WANT TO TAKE THEM! + HOW MANY PEOPLE at GM thought “just watch, they all took the buyout and they will be broke in a year.”

By Marty L. King

December 14, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

Old Jimmy, selling weed to your co-workers and teenagers doesn’t count as your “own business” The truth is really disturbing all of you uneducated white trash hicks. I will ALWAYS have a great job because I got an EDUCATION. I have options that you retards don’t. I am not affected when another factory full of lazy, booger picking union workers closes in the U.S. because then I get sent to whatever country the work was sent to do my job. Delta Platinum Medallion every year baby! Priceless!

By cohobill

December 14, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Katmandu. Everyone starts out with the same chances in life. People choose how much to learn,whether to obey laws,their work ethics, taking responsibility,having kids,lifestyles, and most of all they determine how to live their lives. Corporations, politicians, governments, do not make people poor. What did they do in life? What are they doing now to stop being poor? Are they waiting on handouts and taxes from other people? They blame everyone but themselves and believe they deserve everything.

By Ms. M.

December 14, 2007 8:07 AM | Link to this

No lump sum pension for retired GM employees? You can bet that those white collar executives will receive theirs. In other words a lump of coal to retires.

By Rick

December 14, 2007 7:57 AM | Link to this

One of my best friends growing up got tired of working for his Fathers business and thought he would get a job that was less stressful. He put in an application at the Moraine Assy. plant and was hired. He lasted less than a week on the line. He couldn’t beleive how hard it was and how much his body hurt every night when he got home. He told me the breaks were so short that by the time he left his job sprinted to the bathroom and sprinted back, the line was starting again, not enough time to sit

By hario

December 14, 2007 7:55 AM | Link to this

to gm moraine. its times like this when you find out who your real friends are and what your neighbors really think of you.

By Xworker

December 14, 2007 7:38 AM | Link to this

I worked at GM during the summer when I was younger and going to college. I remember how LAXED the workers were. Many of them would leave for lunch go to the local bar get drunk and never come back to work. I was amazed that they still had a job but, nothing was ever said. They new it to.

By Brenda

December 14, 2007 7:31 AM | Link to this

I wonder….when all of the UAW/IUE plants are gone….will the prices on GM’s car’s come down??? I think not. Who’s going to get the blame then?

By daniel

December 14, 2007 7:21 AM | Link to this

the city does not live because of gm!!! get a grip the city will go on with or without gm!!!more money ,more money has driven the price of cars so high and the quality down so low no wonder they are in trouble!!!!most unions are for the workers who are lazy and wont work the guy that works hard and does his job doesnt need a union !! most of you dopers would be fired and the union would get there job back!! who wants to buy something built by a dope head!!

By Chuck

December 14, 2007 6:42 AM | Link to this

Paul, who do you think the money guys are behind the “foreign” companies you named? Re-think, OK.

By Tom

December 14, 2007 6:20 AM | Link to this

I am amazed at the amount of hatred and disdain exhibited in some of these statements about GM employees. Its a shame for anyone to lose their job; these people have families to support. As for unions they are a double edged sword. They have contributed to workplace problems; yet they also helped to establish a higher standard of living for the American worker. You don’t have to buy GM or Ford, but why take enjoyment in the lost of another person’s job.

By X GMER

December 14, 2007 5:54 AM | Link to this

You ex gmers have a terrific oppurtunity to reinvent yourselves. Don’t look back, move forward. I glad I did, I am now a professional that is glad I left the factory scene. See you in the skies!!!!

By Old Jimmy

December 14, 2007 4:16 AM | Link to this

Hey Katmandu,call security at 455-5000 and they should be able to tell you.Old Jimmy

By Katmandu

December 14, 2007 4:02 AM | Link to this

I want to take a Tour of the Moraine assembly plant and see for myself.

Can someone please post information on how/where to do this ?

By Old Jimmy

December 14, 2007 3:50 AM | Link to this

I think Marty L. King is on wefare because HE is too sorry to get a job,has never had a woman so no kids thank God and still drives his momma’s Yugo. He hates Too much to really work for a living , so his REAL living is made off of MY UNION TAXES. I can care less what little tidbits of UNION info he thinks he has about the real world and I bet I do more work in 2 hours than he has done in 6 months. I WORK at G.M. plus I OWN my own business that makes me more than I make at G.M. Old Jimmy

By I Hate Ignorance

December 14, 2007 3:49 AM | Link to this

Hey Marty!!! Way to google search Nafta, however you should of kept reading. In 2005 congress voted to extend the Nafta to five more Central American countries creating Cafta. Even as we speak the Bush administration are trying to add Peru and Columbia. Most members of congress signed off on the deal without even reading it. Labor, environmental,consumer and religious groups were against it for obvious reasons. Guess who promoted it? Large corporations ie GM. Marty you are losing credibility!!!!

By Katmandu

December 14, 2007 3:07 AM | Link to this

By Cohobill

You Sir, need to educate yourself on the challenges poor people face every day! The large majority of less fortunate people do NOT make a conscious choice to live POOR!

By Cowboy

December 14, 2007 1:12 AM | Link to this

Most of the factory trash GM workers come from generations of union factory trash.The mentality still seems to be to graduate high school,apply and use an insider to get into GM or Delphi,work the bars,marry a trashy over weight Dayton or Moraine woman,buy a 80k house,start a family,develop a drinking & substance abuse problem, work for 30-40 years under the union,beleiving the union will take care of you,slack off at work and eventually retire and collect pension and b***h til death. Repeat.

By Conny

December 14, 2007 12:35 AM | Link to this

No you shouldn’t be happy that anyone is going to loose their job, but to have an ex husband who has the money to get a lawyer to fight so that he doesn’t have to pay childsupport because he just bought a camper and is taking trips and spends about 200$ each on his other 2 children for x-mas and gets himself a W11,well that makes it hard not to feel happy if he looses his 30$hr job, where he himself said he has watched DVDs while at work.Please people get educations and realy earn your pay.

By JO JO IS RIGHT

December 13, 2007 8:14 PM | Link to this

Hey Marty where did you go? Did you have to change out of your McDonalds uniform? That isn’t Adam Smith’s invisible hand on your shoulder, it is Juan Martinez the illegal immigrant bumping you off the fry line for a dollar an hour less than you make!

By Moraine worker

December 13, 2007 8:07 PM | Link to this

You are correct. It is not “back breaking” work. It is tendon wearing and tearing. It is cartilage and bone wearing. Our predecessors practically invented carpal tunnel syndrome. It gets your hands, elbows, shoulders, hips, etc. You name the joint and I’ll find you a job that makes it hurt. By the way, if you read all these posts the bitter folks are the ones slamming us. I don’t see any bitter employee posts here. I work dads, moms, bros., sisters of the community that appreciate GM.

By JO JO IS RIGHT

December 13, 2007 8:01 PM | Link to this

And another thing losers, quit whining about lazy autoworkers while you sit at your work computer commenting about a newspaper article. Slackers! Although I am sure some of you are in your moms basement watching Oprah and Jerry while Mom is making your lunch.

By jimmybuilder

December 13, 2007 7:57 PM | Link to this

Marty couldn’t do this work. He will attack everyone here who says he can’t. You haven’t done this work, no one on the line puts on one bolt and that’s it. Maybe one bolt, open up the wire harness, and put the tail light into place and place a part in the rear hatch area. Not just one bolt, moron. You have no idea, you are looking from your eyes, not ours. If we go, so does your job eventually.

By JO JO IS RIGHT

December 13, 2007 7:56 PM | Link to this

All of you morons making comments, do you need help dressing yourself? The Employees work hard. The Unions have asked for too much and corporate takes too much in salary & bonus. The real problem is legacy costs. If you were smart like me you would realize that GM’s cost is going down in the future while Toyota, Honda etc are just starting theirs. The field is going to level out and that is what the Top Dogs at GM are waiting for. Sorry to hear about the layoffs.

By Marty L. King

December 13, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

You are going to tell me putting nut “a” on bolt “l” for 8 hours is working your butt off? I will admit you are busier than most of your union counterparts, but it is far from “back breaking” work. I would go insane doing such a boring, mind-numbing and tedious job. I guess I would be bitter too if thats what I had to look forward to every day.

By jimmybuilder

December 13, 2007 7:51 PM | Link to this

a subcontractor before gm. that was 12 years ago. I worked there for 3 years, and you say GM workers are lazy, now these guys were lazy. Taking 30 min. breaks to smoke, over one hour lunches, going home early, and this was a nonunion shop. The company is no longer around, wonder why? There are lazy people everywhere, even you might be lazy at work. Mayber you take an extra cigarette break, we can’t do that. We are told when we take a break, even have to get permission to go to the bathroom

By jimmybuilder

December 13, 2007 7:46 PM | Link to this

John, you said the gm worker gets his/her 1.5 hours of break time, you are wrong. we have 50 secs. or so to do our job, and then we are preparing for the next truck to enter our job station. This may include re-stocking our material or get parts together to assemble to the truck. Everyone who says we are lazy , has not done, has not seen or has no idea how we work to assemble a vehicle. The people who dog gm workers probably couldn’t pass the drug test to work here. I worked for a subcontracto

By Marty L. King

December 13, 2007 7:40 PM | Link to this

Dear Deb, These people are losing their jobs because they have priced themselves out of a job. It sounds like what you want is a SOCIALIST country. What we have is a DEMOCRATIC country where you seek your own fortune based on your skills, education and motivation. Read a book on it and you will see what I mean, take Tylenol for any headaches. By the way, I love this country, My wife and I served in Desert Storm and my son is in Mosul, Iraq as we speak.

By Moraine worker

December 13, 2007 7:38 PM | Link to this

John, I made no assumptions. I never said I was better than anyone. I’ve been insulted as lazy repeatedly on these DDN forums by people offering their opinion. The Gallup info I cited was just some statistical info for those who throw stones. As for the 10 seconds between trucks, I use them to walk to the the next truck. I have 13 years seniority at GM and I’ve called in sick twice. Who exactly is making assumptions?

By Marty L. King

December 13, 2007 7:26 PM | Link to this

I had the pleasure of being called to the GM SPO warehouse in Charlotte, NC soon after it opened. They couldn’t figure out why a PC that controlled certain machinery would fail every night. I flew down, check it out and all seemed normal. On a hunch, I went back that evening unannounced and found that the UNION RETARDS had taken the back off the locked cabinet that it was in and stopped the program from running so they could play solitaire on the computer. Thats something a CHILD does.

By Deb

December 13, 2007 7:21 PM | Link to this

I can NOT believe any AMERICAN can be happy that another US Citizen Born American is loosing their job! This is what’s wrong with OUR COUNTRY today. WE DO NOT stick together and stand up for each other! That’s why so many jobs are not in OUR COUNTRY! WHERE DID the AMERICA I grew up in, GO? I say shame on GM & others for moving jobs out to other countries. I am in Florida but grew up in Dayton & I still have the common sense to know this will hurt ALL of Dayton & even Florida due to tourism!

By Marty L. King

December 13, 2007 7:07 PM | Link to this

Dear I Hate Ignorance, You must REALLY despise yourself. I made $126K last year and will do around 135K this year with my bonus. It doesnt affect me when a plant closes because then I get to go to Chihuahua, Mexico or Mirabel, Canada for my job plus get the frequent flier miles. Don’t hate me because I got an education and you probably failed the GED. You are the guy who does the boogers and earplugs I asked about. Actually the GOP controlled congress gave us NAFTA. Do some research morons.

By spectator

December 13, 2007 6:20 PM | Link to this

As a production supervisor for an auto parts supplier I’ve had the privilege of working with several individuals that took buyouts from GM. Thanks to those I’ve known I have had to drastically redefine “lazy”. Current employees seem to be irresponsible with their excessive income and despite ample opportunity to establish security with an uncertain job future, they continue their wreckless path. They are primarily too self-centered to help anyone despite their resources so who should feel bad?

By John

December 13, 2007 5:41 PM | Link to this

To Moraine Worker and your 50 sec of every min. that you earn your pay over other workers. If you take the time that you do not work, add in your 2 10 min breaks and your 24 min lunch, and you are over the average of 1.5 hours in an 8 hour work day.

Look at the math before you start making assumptions about how much better you are than the average worker. Also, the average worker would be “fired” for good with all the days that you miss.

By HH Wife of GM Employee

December 13, 2007 5:09 PM | Link to this

My husband is a hard working, caring loving person. He is not LAZY, STUPID!!!!!!! It is a shame that when people are going through hard times,other people have to be so mean and heartless. What makes you think you are better than the next guy? My husband like other GM emlpoyees would not laugh in your face or wish bad things to happen to any of you!!!! Shame on you for not supporting your neibors and friends. You never know when you may need their help. God Bless GM Assembly!!!!!!!!!

By Just my Opinion

December 13, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Some of you may be happy about GM closing, but if it does, the surrounding businesses will be affected as well. This could mean your family, a family member etc could possibly be losing their jobs as well in the near future. You people slay me, Look at the whole picture, it’s a domino effect.

By Just my Opinion

December 13, 2007 4:39 PM | Link to this

Some of you may be happy about GM closing, but if it does, the surrounding businesses will be affected as well. This could mean your family, a family member etc could possibly be losing their jobs as well in the near future. You people slay me, Look at the whole picture, it’s a domino effect.

By Moraine worker

December 13, 2007 4:29 PM | Link to this

Thanks, Mike. Gallup.com from 9-6-07 reports average time wasted by American worker is about 1.5 hrs a DAY. Monday after Thanksgiving, March madness, fantasy football, etc. are all well documented as annual periods of low productivity for American business. My coworkers and I work hard 50 seconds of every minute building those trucks. Lean manufacturing leaves very little spare time. We EARN it!

By Sally

December 13, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

I cant belive people are happy anout the GM news Moraine will be a ghost town this layoff will effect others in this area too. Why dont people open their eyes and look at the big picture use your brain for a min…union workers lazy I think not thats just all the non-union jelious people talking!!!! Not my fault you dont have a union job that offers good benefits. So shut up, grow up and look at the big picture here what happens at the GM plant will also effect the other companies in the area!!

By Howard

December 13, 2007 4:15 PM | Link to this

I remember being in the GM Forrer Blve plant before DELPHI took over, one of the guys I was suppose to talk with, was not at his job, the foreman knew right where to find him, hung over, and asleep in the mens room. The foreman told me at that time they had tried numerious times to fire him but the union always saved his butt. We can also blame Clinton with NAFTA, what do you think Hillary will do for us ? Of course Bush being drunk and running the country is a comforting thought also !!

By surprised? really?

December 13, 2007 3:43 PM | Link to this

How many years have GM employees known that their jobs were in danger and how many resources in those years were made available to them to get degreed or learn an actual trade so they could avoid these predicaments in the future and ensure their job security? I feel bad for anyone that loses their job unfairly, and obviously I understand that it makes the economy suffer, but there is no way that I would’ve stayed in that situation to let someone else dictate my future.

By Mike Hall ( Shop Chairman IUE-CWA local 798)

December 13, 2007 3:24 PM | Link to this

I am amazed by the number of people writing to this post who appear happy that General Motors may be considering closing the Moraine Assembly plant. I disagree with those of you who claim Union employees are lazy, don’t come to work or that we are overpaid. I understand some of the perceptions of Unions, we have in the past protected employees who did not come to work, or who did not always do the best job, or who may have even been somewhat lazy, That was the Unions of the past, today’s Unions understand that if we are going to survive we must have people who do the best possible quality job. The employees of Moraine Assembly and the Union are very dedicated to building the best possible vehicle. In 1992 we became the first General motors plant to reach a two tier pay scale. The employees of this plant starting pay is 55 percent of the traditional UAW automotive plant. It takes ten years to reach full wages. We have schedules that allow us to work on Saturdays for straight time, we do not build a few vehicles and then lie around and do nothing the rest of the day. We work 8 hours a day or longer, build almost 500 vehicles a shift and only get 46 minutes of break per day (including our 24 minutes for lunch). I would bet that many of you reading this probably get a longer lunch than we have in total breaks and lunch. The members of this Union have done everything we could to make sure that General Motors made money on the products we made. We have been criticized by other Unions for the agreements we have made, but we understood that if we wanted to survive General Motors had to make money. If you are happy that we are being threatened about our jobs you really should think about the outcome if we do close. If you work at the bank or the mall or the doctor’s office in and around Moraine it will affect you if we close. We are only 2300 people but for every one of us there are approximately 4 people who also have a job because of us. Are you one of those four people who might also lose your job? You just might not know you are one of those people until it’s too late. Stop hating the employees of Moraine Assembly, we are not the enemy. We need your support. The Moraine Assembly Plant is open for public tours, if you still believe we are lazy or overpaid for what we do come take a tour. I promise after you take the tour you will see how hard we work

By aharddaysnight

December 13, 2007 2:57 PM | Link to this

Trade? Please! Carpentry is a trade,plumbing is a trade. Making cars is a job. What makes me so mad is UAW members have negotiated themselves right out of their jobs and they make REAL trade unions look bad in the process. There is no such thing as a free lunch in this country people and no such thing as a guaranteed job. Blame NAFTA, blame Clinton,blame big bad corporate GM, blame anyone elese except yourselves.

By I Hate Ignorance

December 13, 2007 2:47 PM | Link to this

Marty Marty!!! Boy you are a piece of work. boo whoo!!! I’m a subcontractor and I don’t make nearly as much as them union guys. Do yourself and all of us a favor. KILL YOURSELF. You appear to be upset because somebody took your skill job and dumbed it down so that an uneducated flunky could perform it and get paid more than you. You have the audacity to call someone stupid who figured out how to do your job and get paid fair market rate for it. Subcontractor = Scabs. It is what it is.

By I hate Ignorance

December 13, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Me being laid off impacts the guy who cut my grass, the lil mom and pop restraunts that served my lunch, the independant roofer who was going to repair my roof, the girl scouts will have to kiss my a** this year as well as the United Way, Raise the school levy? NOT. Salvation Army don’t even ring your bell my way. I don’t need a babysitter anymore. No thanks I have time to shovel my own snow now. Jesus is just go have to wait for my %10. No tips to the pizza man or anybody for that matter.

By I Hate Ignorance

December 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

To all of us who are being laid off, don’t worry. It’s just a new chapter in your life and you can move past this. Look at it as a blessing. Do you really want to raise your children in the Miami Valley. Now if anybody is seeing the writing on the wall you should see this town is drying up. Think about your kids. School levies are failing left and right. Standard of life has went way down for EVERYBODY not just GM employess.

By me

December 13, 2007 1:54 PM | Link to this

I was involved with a union family and I watched as they were laid off and their benefits were gone, but you can bet they still had to pay their monthly dues! All while the union officials enjoyed trips to some of the nicest places on earth! I could never for the life of me understand why someone would want someone else to have control over their benefit options instead of taking care of themselves like most white collar workers do.

By me

December 13, 2007 1:50 PM | Link to this

Thank goodness someone had the forethought to mention NAFTA! It seems that the unions don’t understand that thanks to President Clinton who signed NAFTA, we are now a global economy. Yes unions were good for us back in the day, but that does not work in today’s world. Again, thanks to President Clinton and NAFTA, the unions really are not helping their people, but the members really don’t see it that way.

By Rio

December 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

Response to Marty L. King:

I know what you mean. The inside door of a stall of my former employer was a mess! We all called it “The Booger Board”. It looked like it had been shot with a shotgun! The only thing I can come up with is some people are very ignorant and they don’t care. It is very unsanitary and if someone is caught doing this it should be grounds for dismissal!

Rio

By Not a GM fan

December 13, 2007 1:08 PM | Link to this

Don’t blame the union on this one—blame that on GM. The Moraine plant is the highest quality of GM plants, and the IUE is highly cooperative in doing the things to keep the plant alive. When gas was going through the roof—GM came out with a bigger Escalade. While every Japanese car company was designing smaller cars, GM ignored the signs and pumped out more SUVs—then fights the government on gas requirements with prices around 3.00. Nope. Not a union problem—its lousy market research.

By GM worker

December 13, 2007 1:06 PM | Link to this

The bell rings, the line starts and you’d better be on your job. That is life inside Moraine. The line doesn’t stop without a good reason. Over the years, each ‘eliminated’(meaning workers) job requires the remaining people to assimilate those jobs onto their own jobs…it doesn’t just disappear. Stand around, not work! Some of you have no idea what your’e talking about. Every company has deadbeats, but most of the people in the plant, come to work and give it their best every day.

By Kate

December 13, 2007 12:32 PM | Link to this

Good Luck to all those that will lose their jobs. My prayers are with you and your families.

By Old Jimmy

December 13, 2007 11:16 AM | Link to this

Do you remember the reporter from DDN that worked 1 day at G.M. and said we DESERVE every penny we make? He was on one of the easiest jobs on the line and he could not do it. If you people who cry about how much we make dont like it then why dont you go out and find a better job instead with the city, county,state or federal or start a business instead of flipping burgers and playing video games.

By Marty L. King

December 13, 2007 11:04 AM | Link to this

What I really want to know is why are there always boogers and snot smeared on the walls above the urinals and in the stalls in union plants restrooms? Even union job sites port-o-crappers have them. (probably non union too) This has always disgusted and amazed me. There are towels and t-paper within easy reach. Are you really that lazy? Also, if the sign says don’t put earplugs in urinals, why are there always some floating in there? Can you read? It’s like kindergarten in there. Priceless!

By Marty L. King

December 13, 2007 10:52 AM | Link to this

Many union companies send their “Journeymen” to my company for training and it would amaze me that 20 year people wouldn’t know the basics of their trade like Ohms law or basic fluid power principles or air handling characteristics. Anyone who has entered the workforce in the last 30 years and refused to prepare for life after the union is just dumb. If you were short sighted enough to depend on the union teat when the writing was on the wall don’t complain that the milk is drying up.

By ThanksUnions

December 13, 2007 10:36 AM | Link to this

Thanks to the Unions GM is shutting down here….. Just like Youngstown and Warren and the steel industry, these lazy guys who make 70 dollars an hour putting a steering wheel in a car has to go work where the cost of his labor is actual value, around 10 dollars an hour, and you guys have the Union to thank. Didn’t they know in October this was happening?

By Marty L.King

December 13, 2007 10:31 AM | Link to this

Me work at GM? I have had a company car for 21 years, I don’t stand around like a zombie all day like union tards do, I get a raise EVERY year, sometimes more than one, a bonus based on MY work, good insurance and I PUT MONEY AWAY FOR RETIREMENT, all without a corrupt union stealing my money. You are right, me and my company make HUGE MONEY off union companies. Because of you union tards, we are always busy fixing your mistakes! Welcome to OUCHVILLE, population YOU bro!

By daniel

December 13, 2007 10:24 AM | Link to this

every gm car ive had was nothing but problems!!!! and when you see alot of the workers come out of the factory then you say now i know why!!!!!

By Marty L. King

December 13, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

HA HA you said FARTY! How much of that 140 is left. I hope you get a GED with it. I would have to go in (very often) when GM “tradesmen” would screw up something because they had no clue what they were doing and the union kept retards in their jobs. There would be 5 or 6 union retards picking their noses while I fixed the problem because “union rules” said so. Total cost: GM Paid the union tard to do it wrong, paid me to come in and fix it and paid 5 or 6 more union tards to watch. Priceless!

By 140,000

December 13, 2007 10:06 AM | Link to this

Hey Marty “FARTY” don’t be mad because they had you contracting instead of working at GM. Doing contract work there put money in your pocket did’nt it? SHUT UP!