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By shacker8

September 21, 2007 8:28 AM | Link to this

STEVE - In your opinion, then, what is the purpose of press conferences?

By Steve

September 20, 2007 4:01 PM | Link to this

Shacker, sorry still don’t buy it, a politician is accountable to us because we put them in place, a coach is accountable to the team owner because he hires/fires him. If it were as you say then Marvin would have been fired this week. The coach’s concern with fans is to keep them on his side, so yes Marvin’s demeanor at press conference’s is snide, and hurts his cause. He needs to realize that fans do watch and think he is talking to them.

By shacker8

September 20, 2007 11:10 AM | Link to this

STEVE (LAST ONE) - Why are the reporters there? To gather info for publicly circulated newspapers and magazines that are bought by (big gasp) FANS. Therefore, by proxy, press conferences are in place to provide info to the fans. Your Wendy’s analogy was way off but here’s breakdown for ya! M Brown(owner):revenue acquired by ticket sales(fans), merchandise(fans), and refreshments(fans).This revenue allows him to hire Lewis(coach)and pay him. All I ask is that we as fans stop accepting mediocrity

By shacker8

September 20, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

STEVE - As for press conferences you’re right. Fans aren’t there but reporters are there to ask the questions that the fans don’t get a chance to. If you think for a minute that Chick was on a rogue mission you are way off. He asked the questions that the MAJORITY of the fans wanted answers to. I don’t think that Marvin owes us unprecedented insight into the inner workings of an NFL franchise but he does owe us the respect of not degrading our emotions for this team. again, out of room….

By shacker8

September 20, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

STEVE - As for press conferences you’re right. Fans aren’t there but reporters are there to ask the questions that the fans don’t get a chance to. If you think for a minute that Chick was on a rogue mission you are way off. He asked the questions that the MAJORITY of the fans wanted answers to. I don’t think that Marvin owes us unprecedented insight into the inner workings of an NFL franchise but he does owe us the respect of not degrading our emotions for this team. again, out of room….

By shacker8

September 20, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

STEVE - As for press conferences you’re right. Fans aren’t there but reporters are there to ask the questions that the fans don’t get a chance to. If you think for a minute that Chick was on a rogue mission you are way off. He asked the questions that the MAJORITY of the fans wanted answers to. I don’t think that Marvin owes us unprecedented insight into the inner workings of an NFL franchise but he does owe us the respect of not degrading our emotions for this team. again, out of room….

By shacker8

September 20, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

STEVE - I live in Cincinnati and have followed the Bengals for 15+ years. I am well aware of Mike Brown’s demeanor and apparent intent towards the structure of this team. HOWEVER, it does not relate when you are talking about the person charged with making sure that the gameplan is in place to be most effective on Sunday. Can you honestly tell me that you feel that a good gameplan was in place? Whose fault, Mike or Marvin? I’ve run out of room so I will post another….

By Steve

September 20, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

There is a saying that people rise to a job the are no longer capable of doing, so is Marvin out of his league now? I don’t think so, remember his first year many people thought he should have been coach of the year, then he wins the north and the next year loses 2 of his starting LB’s, but give him some time, if you heard Dave L. today he was talking about how relieved the Browns Assistants were when Brooks went out. That guy is a beast so he’s the guy to build around.

By Mrholt1

September 19, 2007 11:04 PM | Link to this

I don’t think fans are upset of loosing this game the Browns always play the Bengals tough. It’s the way the team lost is what got everyone going crazy!! Every good team in the NFL get’s beat ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY!!!! But the way the Bengals lost this this game is what Fans, press, NFL Experts, are talking about. It’s like this team can never get out from under the Black Cloud Sure other team have problems also but the Bengals problems just stand out over any other team in the NFL.”WHO-DEY”

By wagers32

September 19, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

Tony- Please tell me you are an 80 year old man stuck in the past???? Please….

If not, I’m not wasting anymore time or breath on your stupidity.

By wagers32

September 19, 2007 8:47 PM | Link to this

I do have to state, the best quote on here happens to belong to “Steve”.Even though I disagree with his point that I feel Marvin shouldn’t have reacted the way he did towards the questions asked, he makes a valid point.The D could have been tired, wore out, banged up, the bottom line is this Defense was built around Pollack and Odell, by not having them throws everything in a loop.Injuries have cost us,stupid decisions(Henry & Odell)have killed us.I hope you are right,& Marvin has a handle on it

By wagers32

September 19, 2007 8:38 PM | Link to this

Steve-I Don’t write his checks, not presonally anyways. Doesn’t report to me, he does report to Mike Brown, and if you listen to the interview Marvin was smug with more than 1 reporter, but increasingly smug w/Chick.Marvin doesn’t owe us anwers, but the media and the faithful(like us all) deserve hypothesis’.He won’t because he has no control over this team.The D didn’t “do it’s job”. If you read, I like Marvin,8-8 is better than Coslet/LeBeau.But we have the talent to be better.

By Steve

September 19, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Shacker, Huh? How does a press conference make Marvin accountable to fans? Who goes to PC’s, the press, not fans. Where do you live? Do you now anything about Mike Brown? Did he ask the fans when he hired Marvin or extended his contract? No, if you go to Wendy’s and get a who dey burger does that mean that all those people work for you? Of course not.

By Vivster

September 19, 2007 4:42 PM | Link to this

Let’s look at the real issue. Chick & the DDN want Marvin to sweat and feel the pain of waiting on Marvin’s defensive genius. He’s easier in a press conference than Parcells, but then if Chick/DDN had to interview Parcells they would not have gotten on him like that(Hi, Tony!). The bottom line is Marvin A)is sure of the problem, but won’t reveal it like any smart coach; or B)doesn’t know why adult D teammates can’t follow directions. The problem really is at LB—REPORT TO YOUR P.O., ODELL!

By shacker8

September 19, 2007 4:04 PM | Link to this

Oh yeah, Tony….

Go waste time on another post. If you haven’t noticed this post is kept going by intelligent people with a very good understanding of football (except for the Browns fans who have snuck in the back door) not by emotion filled novices who rely on the race card when they are unable to truly defend someone’s actions. We appreciate you having an opinion but have the respect to make it as original as possible and at least valid. Thanks.

By shacker8

September 19, 2007 3:57 PM | Link to this

Marvin is MOST DEFINITELY accountable to the fans. That’s why the league mandates press conferences.

THIS SHOULD NOW AND FOREVER BE CONSIDERED AND INVALID POINT!

By Gary

September 19, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

Tony Sounds to me like you are the one stuck in the 60s When all common sence fails, play the race card. That will certain change the white mans perception

By tony

September 19, 2007 2:12 PM | Link to this

I wonder how all this would have played out had Marvin lewis been a white man? that’s right i said it!!!! it’ seems to me the white media who cover the Bengals cant handle a well educated black man who wont kiss their a*s (the media) as if his job was dependent on white people or the white media liking marvin. the 60’s are over with. black people nolonger have to “transcend” or kiss white people but to get or keep a job in 2007. What do you want marvin to do? Whites are intimidated by SBM…….

By Steve

September 19, 2007 1:58 PM | Link to this

AS for the D, Dave L. said last Tuesday he was afraid the Bengals would not recover in time for the Browns game. I think they were tired, name a lineman, LB, or DB was flying around, and they players have as much as said they were tired on special teams. We do have a lot of guys hurt and that is taking its toll, just relax Bengals fans, Marvin does have a handle on it, remember he built the D around Pollack and Thurman and there not here now so he has to rebuild it.

By Steve

September 19, 2007 1:53 PM | Link to this

Hey Wagers 32, are you delusional? Seriously do you write Marvin’s check, did you interview him, do you do his review? Do you have any idea how business works? Marvin works and reports to Mike Brown period. Marvin does the news conferance because he is mandated by the league to do it, and Chick himself has said that the Bengals are one of the most open to the media teams in the NFL.

By Steve

September 19, 2007 1:48 PM | Link to this

Hey Wagers 32, are you delusional? Seriously do you write Marvin’s check, did you interview him, do you do his review? Do you have any idea how business works? Marvin works and reports to Mike Brown period. Marvin does the news conferance because he is mandated by the league to do it, and Chick himself has said that the Bengals are one of the most open to the media teams in the NFL.

By Terrance

September 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Link to this

Chick you asked all the right questions and for the most part you got the standard answers. Let’s not walk away with our feeling so hurt by Marvin’s response to your questions. I have to say at least he is more honest in front of the media than most. I think Marin was hurt and offended by this defensive effort much like the true fan. We can all see that the defense was not playing fast like they were on Monday night. I would like to ask him why we did not bring back Ed Hartwell.

By Mike

September 19, 2007 1:01 PM | Link to this

Browns fans have the intelligence of a chimp. Don’t any of these Southern Ohio clowns fans realize there’s something in the world of sports called expansion. If it weren’t for expansion Florida, NY, California, and others would have only one team. Do you think that everyone in Florida should be a Dolphins fan because they rooted for the Dolphins first (before Jacksonville and Tampa Bay). You must be proud to cheer alongside Northern Ohioans who think there part of the state is the best.

By Doug

September 19, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

Where we stand, 1.No defense 2.great offense 3.Nobody to make adjustments 4.Terrible linebackers 5.terrible defensive tackles 6.And got beat by a team with the talent of a good college football team. 7.We suck until we get some bigtime free agent linebackers,defensive tackles and corners we are an avg. or below average NFL team.

By Andrew

September 19, 2007 11:42 AM | Link to this

What this article is, is nothing more than a journalist who got his feelings hurt. Chick, you called Marvin out, and got called right back. Sure Marvin made a few comments that may have been taken as snide, or condescending, but the nature of the questions surely was as well. The media sure likes to twist things, and this is a prime example.

As for the Bengals defense - fire Bresnahan and let Marvin call the plays again.

By Harold

September 19, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Thee biggest mistake was rushing at the beginning of the 3rd quarter after the Jackson interception and there was 3rd and 1 to do some qb sneak. Why not take your time? There was going to be no difference in the defense as it was just 2nd goal from the 3 - unless you were going to pass. But it was not 3rd and inches that a sneak made sense. Just a bad idea. Had they scored, the Browns might have thought..oh oh, we just gave it up. Instead, they came out on a high for stopping us with FG.

By Anthony

September 19, 2007 10:54 AM | Link to this

Chick is the only reporter with any balls to stand up to Marvin The Smug.

I hate Marvin. I’m tired of hearing how he brought us from obscurity - that was five freakin’ years ago people! Why should we put up with mediocrity. I’m tired of hearing how he’s a Defensive Guru - he hasn’t done anything in five years, and I’m convinced that the Ravens defense was so dominate because they were just good players (look how they’ve done without Marvin.)

I’m tired of Marvin’s attitude and tired of losing.

By John

September 19, 2007 9:56 AM | Link to this

Why don’t you band wagon jumpers put the springs back on your butts and bounce back off (again) until they win next week. You could have a team like Cleveland that looks forward to winning 4 games in a season. At least their fans stick with the team.

By Terry

September 19, 2007 7:48 AM | Link to this

Bengals: Cheap little flea market team with a “used car salesman” mentality owner, who hires coaches who can’t develop talent and the talent that is developed is average at best- with a few exceptions. Another 8-8 season and another non- playoff year. Been that way since 1968. Never will be a big time franchise until they clean house from owner on down and start operating the franchise in a professional manner.

By Sean

September 19, 2007 7:05 AM | Link to this

Remember how bad Indy’s defense was at the end of last year? All the so called experts predicted Larry Johnson would run all over them in the playoffs. It turned out alright for them. If this team can get to 4-4 for the first half they will make the playoffs at 10-6. The defense/special teams must look at the season game to game..opponent to opponent..

By Steven

September 18, 2007 10:07 PM | Link to this

The Bengal’s game last week was an embarrassment. They played the game as if they walked thru the previous weeks practice like drunks leaving a bar at “last call”. They showed that they are not a play off caliber team . Playoff teams dispatch inferior opponents much like Patriots did to the Chargers.

By Chevy

September 18, 2007 9:31 PM | Link to this

I am a Browns fan win or lose. The best things with this win the Browns had was:

It was against the Bengals and it was in front of all the Browns fans

Browns fans are not band wagon fans, they are always fans win or lose

They may not win another game this season but they won the BEST game this year

By James E. Kauffman

September 18, 2007 9:22 PM | Link to this

Iam sick and tired of hearing every bengal coach and players say how they are going to gell and become better. It’s not going to happen when the players can’t tackle. If i was Jonathon Joseph or is it Joseph Jonathon(who cares) i would find a dark corner to hide in because he plays like a sissy . He is not playing like a first round pick, if he plays at all due to injuries.The secondary stinks as receivers are always wide open with not a bengal within 5 yards.

By wagers32

September 18, 2007 8:59 PM | Link to this

Steve-How can you say Marvin only reports to the Bengals.Obviously you don’t have a clue.We pay his salary, when we buy tickets, and beer, and nachos.Going to the game is what keeps his job.Look who Brown had in there with no crowd.Marvin has done good, but we need better, can he give us that?What does he do behind closed doors?Looks like nothing to me, same reason as 3 8-8 seasons.1 winning season doesn’t justify the means of being a good coach.Look at our talent, we have it,where are the W’s?

By wagers32

September 18, 2007 8:52 PM | Link to this

I have listened to the Marvin interview 3 times now, and I don’t see how Chick was aggressive towards him.I agree on Marvin having an uncalled for cander.I am a longtime season ticket holder and Bengal Faithful, I just can’t comprehend why this team doesn’t attack on defense.How we can make a Derek Anderson look like a Joe Montana. I’ve watched the Baltimore game over and compared it to the Cleveland game, for Marvin to say we are not a blitzing team, sure looked like we were to me. Ask McNair

By Rich Perry

September 18, 2007 8:46 PM | Link to this

Marvin can be a pompus jack*. Chick had every right to address the situation the way he did. We’ve heard the same lame excuses as to why this defense stinks, for 5 years. Marvin, although he’s done some good things here, needs to understand that the fans know a lot more about the team and the organization than he thinks we do.

By Michael

September 18, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

Marvin and everyone in the Bengals entire organization owe everything to us. Who pays for their new stadium? The fans. The fans pay to see the games, eat the food, and buy overpriced merchandise with their names on it. The fans are the ones that put money in the organization. We pay the players and coaches. I said it after last season, Marvin and Chuckie need to go. Maybe even the Brat for some crappy playcalling.

By wagers32

September 18, 2007 8:16 PM | Link to this

How long will we go on thinking Marvin is a “defensive guru”? Look at 1530homer.com They have laid out Marvin’s defensive career. I don’t see any “guru” coming through here. I am all for Marvin, but when is he going to take control of this team? Is Mike Brown holding his hand and not letting him make decisions? Or is Marvin not the guy we assumed he would be. We have the talent to be better than an 8-8 mediocre team, but when are we going to use this talent. Where is the blitz, or pressure?

By crash11

September 18, 2007 7:45 PM | Link to this

The Bengals are very good, they had a crappy week defensively, so what, Marvin Lewis is the best thing to happen to the Bengals since Sam Wyche so give me a break. Bengals will prevail the rest of the season, they will be in the play offs…and you can take that to the bank! Those of you calling for Lewis to step down are idiots, Browns fans, or Steelers fans.

By eRob

September 18, 2007 6:56 PM | Link to this

The Bengals were probably distracted by their parole officers wandering the sidelines!

By Steve

September 18, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Marvin does this every week because the media ask some really dumb questions that he is not going answer. Marvin is not accountable to the fans or to the media he is accountable to the Benglas. He always handles these things behind closed doors. But people take it as a personal affront when the Bengals lose, and all I can say is you need to get a life.

By ron

September 18, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

i dont like being treated like a mushroom,by any one from my favorite team. head coach included.bestraight up about losing and you get at least a little respect.try to B.S. the fans and we will the you dont know how to run the team

By ron

September 18, 2007 6:18 PM | Link to this

i dont like being treated like a mushroom,by any one from my favorite team. head coach included.bestraight up about losing and you get at least a little respect.try to B.S. the fans and we will the you dont know how to run the team

By kevin

September 18, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

I am so sick and tired of all the finger pointing..its not all marvins fault and its not all the players fault. Nothing will change (defensively) with this team if Mike Brown does not go out and spend some money on this team during the off season. I am a die hard bengals fan, but how were people expecting the defense to be better this year? We lost KK we lost Simmons..a big leader on defense, and thurmans an idiot.The years not lost they will be ok.Lets move on and be Seattle!!!

By Jim

September 18, 2007 4:49 PM | Link to this

Chick, the other guys are right. You mis-quoted Bill Cowher. I heard your question live and shrugged when you asked it. Cowher said that Marvin does NOT condone Chad’s behavior.

Get it right! When you get it wrong, at least come out and admit it!

By James Dark Beige

September 18, 2007 3:23 PM | Link to this

I think Marvin and the Bengal defense began on a great note but before the fat lady sang the whole team had already given a hundred and ten percent. It doesn’t do any good to cry over spilt milk when the offense is the horse and the defense is the cart. Too bad most of us haven’t had the experience of losing a big game when the expectations placed on us are high. All too often the wrong players end up out of position. Who’s fault is that? YOu can’t put 10 lbs. of mud in a 5 lb. sack.

By James Dark Beige

September 18, 2007 3:20 PM | Link to this

I think Marvin and the Bengal defense began on a great note but before the fat lady sang the whole team had already given a hundred and ten percent. It doesn’t do any good to cry over spilt milk when the offense is the horse and the defense is the cart. Too bad most of us haven’t had the experience of losing a big game when the expectations placed on us are high. All too often the wrong players end up out of position. Who’s fault is that? YOu can’t put 10 lbs. of mud in a 5 lb. sack.

By Harry T. Horse

September 18, 2007 3:14 PM | Link to this

It’s all Adam Dunn’s fault. The Bengals defense has been a problem for the past 5 years. If we trade Dunn hopefully the Bengals defense will get on track. Trade Adam Dunn !! Go Bengals!!

By eric

September 18, 2007 2:48 PM | Link to this

I’m not saying that Marvin should not be asked the tough questions, because I think he should.

My point is that misquoting people and using a “condescending” tone of voice is not the way to do it. Chick’s press conference behavior was childish, at best. Then he follows that up by writing an article that implicates Marvin, but makes no mention of how he himself was acting like a complete a*s. Did anyone notice that Marvin was only “smug” with Chick? Just be professional, that’s all I’m asking

By Tom

September 18, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

You folks still think you were owed a super bowl, but forget that you still had to beat Indy at home, and Denver at home. Just because Pittsburgh did it doesn’t mean that the Bengals could have. And Carson Palmer’s knee doesn’t play defense 31 - 17 was the score. So quit your whining it’s been almost two years. You guys can go ahead and jump ship though, Steeler fans love to fill Paul Brown Stadium (Heinz Field West) to watch the Steelers win.

By mark

September 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Link to this

This team is on their way to another 8-8 season. I agree with Paul Daugherty’s assessment, “The Bengals have a 12-4 offense and a 4-12 defense. The defense played above their ability in week one and below it in week two. The Bengals have an offense that will win them games and a defense that will lose them. Average it all out…8-8. Marvin once said, “I believe in what I see”. Guess what Marvin, so do we.

By James

September 18, 2007 1:41 PM | Link to this

I have been a die-hard bengals fan a long time and I don’t think any of us have any room to complain after the 90’s bungals era. I am just happy they are able to compete and actually win a few games!

Lewis has tried to beef up the D, but injuries such as pollack, thurman’s suspension has been a disappointment. All in all, I think it is time for Mr. Brown to throw up some cash to get a few good men on the D.

By Dave

September 18, 2007 1:20 PM | Link to this

I don’t think of fans critcizing a defense that hasn’t shown the slightest improvement in four plus years Marvin “The Defensive Doctor” Lewis has been in town, is abandoning the ship. Giving up 51 would be unacceptable even if the Chargers, Colts or Patriots did it. But Cleveland? It certainly appears as if RAY Lewis deserves all the credit for Baltimore’s success. Carson’s elbow will be dragging the ground by year’s end if he trys to score more points than this defense will allow.

By Paul T.

September 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

Cincinnati pro sports needs to lose it’s nice guy image and become “Cincin-nasty”. The Bengals are too much like the Reds. The Reds allow pitchers, especially rookies, to look like Cy Young award winners when they first go against them just as the Bengals allowed Derek Anderson to look like a QB Hall of Famer when the week before against Pittsburgh he couldn’t hit a semi crossing the middle. Give someone a little momentum and they’ll eat you alive.

By preacher,franklin,ohio

September 18, 2007 1:12 PM | Link to this

whats,new,,bad,to,worse,grter,done,for,jesus,god,bless,you,all.

By Randy

September 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Link to this

The Bengals are not playing to their strength. They have one of the best defensive minds around and won’t use it. Somebody make Marvin run the defense. Marvin says he wants to run the team. DEFENSE wins games. Run the Defense and you will run the team. Let Palmer run the Offense. I don’t understand Marvin’s logic. This team has good defensive players. Unfortunately, they never look like they have a game plan.

By Bob540

September 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

Inconsistency has been the hallmark of the Bengals since they entered the league. They can rise up and have a great game against anyone, then turn around and lose badly to the worst teams. They have hired head coaches that were known for coaching great defenses elsewhere (Lewis, Lebeau) and the Bengals “D” still looked no better than under an offensive coach like Wyche. You could take the Ravens “D”, put them in Bengals’ uniforms, and they would suck. Who knows why.

By Big Mike

September 18, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

Hey Fed up…You can only buy the Jerseys that are out there.I only know of 2 or 3 defensive players jersey`s that you can get.Palmer and Johnson are in the top 5 NFL jerseys sold.

By I am a TRUE Bengals fan are YOU?

September 18, 2007 12:45 PM | Link to this

You know I think it is funny to read what most people are saying. You all call yourselves fans but where is your loyalty? You can NEVER predict this game! It is just like the Buckeyes facing the team up north, no matter how good one team is or how bad the other is you can never predict the outcome! No one has said anything about the WIN the week before or our winning season we had before the steelers CHEATED us out of our Superbowl. Do you people have amnesia or what!It is ONE game!GO MARVIN!

By I am a TRUE Bengals fan are YOU?

September 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Link to this

You know I think it is funny to read what most people are saying. You all call yourselves fans but where is your loyalty? You can NEVER predict this game! It is just like the Buckeyes facing the team up north, no matter how good one team is or how bad the other is you can never predict the outcome! No one has said anything about the WIN the week before or our winning season we had before the steelers CHEATED us out of our Superbowl. Do you people have amnesia or what!It is ONE game!GO MARVIN!

By Mike

September 18, 2007 12:41 PM | Link to this

I’m as frustrated as the next guy about this terrible defense but how different would things be if only injuries & suspensions wouldn’t have happen. If all of Marvin’s draft picks were in place -first of all they wouldn’t have had to waste a pick on Irons this year with Perry in place. That pick would have been used to stengthen the D-line or linebacker - already having Pollack & Thurman - the defense would have been great. Marvin has had a bad run of luck with player injuries/suspensions.

By James

September 18, 2007 12:37 PM | Link to this

Dear God people, they are 1-1. They aren’t 0-2 getting blown out. Marvin Lewis had brought more wins than the Bengals have had in 10 years before him! It could be worse, Mike Brown could be running all the operations again!

By Doug

September 18, 2007 12:36 PM | Link to this

Typical Bengals fans jumping ship already. By midseason the stadium will be half empty.

By Finkd

September 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Link to this

FREE DONALD FINK!

By Will

September 18, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Marvin Lewis has been exposed as a fraud as a head coach and as a defensive genius. The only reason he was so good in Baltimore was the players that some one else drafted. Its time for him and this whole coaching staff to go. Marvins arrogance once again showed up at the press conference when he said you “poor ignorant media and fans” would’nt understand the explanation of what went wrong! The only thing we understand is our defense is pathetic. As a long time Bengals fan I am disgusted, again!

By shacker8

September 18, 2007 12:04 PM | Link to this

Ok….If you are going to blame Mike Brown tell me why? Do you believe that Mike tells Marvin to blitz on Monday night but play soft on Sunday? Let’s remember that Marvin stated clearly last year, when faced with the defense blitzing questions, that this was not a blitzing team. He is deeply rooted in his ideology of this defense and is willing to go down with the ship. He knew he needed a win Monday to detour the detractors but went right back to his way the week after. Again, Why Mike Brown?

By Robert Young

September 18, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

To byfedup, Please name ONE PLAYER on the D squad who is worthy of having their jersey worn by fans. Contrary to your thoughts I say the fans know exactly what is going on, yes D does win titles but are fans to wear a linebackers’ jersey just because?

Robert Young Milford

By Robert Young

September 18, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

To byfedup, Please name ONE PLAYER on the D squad who is worthy of having their jersey worn by fans. Contrary to your thoughts I say the fans know exactly what is going on, yes D does win titles but are fans to wear a linebackers’ jersey just because?

Robert Young Milford

By Bengal7

September 18, 2007 11:49 AM | Link to this

It’s not Marvin’s fault! Blame Mike Brown. He deserves all the blame. The only good thing Mike Brown did was hire Marvin. I still say “In Marvin We Trust”!!!

By William

September 18, 2007 11:48 AM | Link to this

Until the D improves…really improves….they will not be a playoff contender. They simply dont have the coaching or players on that side of the ball to compete.

By shacker8

September 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

By the way….did anyone else catch that Levi is now competing for his position….SCARY!!

Ryan, your absolutely correct. Hall was less than impressive in both of those games. Furthermore, he was never, to my knowledge or recollection, touted has being a shut down corner. He was a big name on a big team. But, he was coached by Lloyd Carr which would explain his tendancy to look cluelss on the field (I couldn’t resist a Michigan dig)

By Ryan

September 18, 2007 11:14 AM | Link to this

Leon Hall was a bad pick. The last two games of his college carear against OSU and USC he got torched, big time. I watched both those games (I wonder if the Bengals scouts did?). The recivers were getting behind him at will.

By Chris

September 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Link to this

As far as Chick’s coverage of the press conference, this is a long time coming. Marvin Lewis has always been adversarial to the press. So, Marv, you don’t think Dave Lapham has any football knowledge?

Listening to Bill Belichick during yesterday’s questions about SpyGate, he recognized that the press were asking valid questions and still declined to answer. That was class, Marvin.

Trust me, the public knows the difference between weeks 1 and 2. Please show respect to your customers.

By shacker8

September 18, 2007 11:06 AM | Link to this

And lastly..we as fans need to understand the mindeset of Marvin. He pictures himself as sitting on the pedastal that we(collectively) have put him on.For too long,”In Marvin We Trust”has been uttered as carelessly as “Who Dey” without the clout to back it. Marvin expects us to not intrude and let him run his team. Therein lies the problem.It is OUR TEAM (players, coaches and fans included). We should, and will, always question, persuade and voice our opinions or we should NOT be considered fans

By Chris

September 18, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

fed up…

How about that championship won by the Colts last year? You really think in Indy there are more Dwight Freeney jerseys than Peyton Manning or Marvin Harrison jerseys? What about New England?

Anyway, it doesn’t matter who the fans decide are the most popular players. If we had a top-notch defense, those jerseys would be plentiful as well.

By CHIP

September 18, 2007 10:57 AM | Link to this

Some one needs to asked Marvin and the Brown family the hard questions why not Chick. Maybe if Marvin didnt treat the media like they were idiots Chick tone would have been different. Cincinnati is a fluke Superbowl team, every once in a blue moon we luck into an appearance and we blow it. We had our shot and Carsons knee got taken out. That was our year to luck into it. We have several years until we get a shot again. Until this team has new ownership nothing will change.

By shacker8

September 18, 2007 10:56 AM | Link to this

Secondly, Marvin is the problem, PERIOD. Look at all of the memorable teams and coaches. They leave there mark on the NFL and their team respectively. What mark has Marvin left on this team? What does this team do differently than it has done the past 15 years that can be attributed solely to Marvin? All that is above average on this team was inherited. By the way, stop pointing out that he drafted Carson. We were the worst team, he was the best player. My 10yr old would have made that pick

By shacker8

September 18, 2007 10:47 AM | Link to this

First, Chick had EVERY right and reason to be somewhat confrontational in tone to Marvin. Let us not forget that the press conferences are in place for the FANS to get INFORMATION and the reporters are there to represent the fans and their emotions. So ask yourself how you would have worded your quesitons with the amount of frustration you have for the performance of this team Sunday…in my case, Chick wasn’t harsh enough!

By Michael

September 18, 2007 10:43 AM | Link to this

In the military, some guys make good Platoon Sergeants and some guys make good Generals. That doesn’t mean if you are a good Platoon Sergeant that you will make a good General. Marvin Lewis was a good Defensive Coordinator (Platoon Sergeant), but has been a very poor Head Coach (General).

If the media has no clue about football (as Marvin has indicated), then Marvin must have his own press pass. Because, he simply does not get it!!!! FIRE MARVIN LEWIS, HIRE BILL C.

By Kris

September 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

the Bengals and Marvin Lewis will be fine. I like that no one is really panicing in the locker room, and that Marvin is staying calm. They will address this issue on the defensive side of the ball, and get back to playing better on D. We need Ahmad Brooks to be there, Caleb Miller will get killed as our middle linebacker. Jonathan Joseph better not miss too much time, b/c Leon Hall looks like crap. Remember we did put up 45 points, and the Browns never stopped us either. WHO-DEY!!!

By Brian

September 18, 2007 10:41 AM | Link to this

We need some “D”! And there is no “D” in Chuck. The “C“‘s do not stand for “creative”, it’s time to get a Coordinator in here with some Creativity with what players they have to deal with… let’s game plan a little bit better, we were out coached by the Browns!!!!

By mel rozakis

September 18, 2007 10:39 AM | Link to this

The departed Ed Hartwell (was cut) would have made a difference in that game. He would have stablized the situation at MLB when Ahmad Brooks went down. Befuddled Caleb Miller shouldn’t be placed as middle backup, but he will be there again against Seattle. Bilichek brought in 39 year old Junior Seau,knowing you can never do enough.

By Mel, September 18th

By Mel

September 18, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

4 and 12 again. Your expecting too much from Lewis.

By Bengals 35 Seahawks 14

September 18, 2007 10:27 AM | Link to this

FREE ODELL, FREE ODELL!

By fed up

September 18, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

It has been said time and time again, Offense can win games, Defense wins championship. When I go around this city, all I see are Palmer, Johnson and other Bengal jersays all of offensive players. Go to Pittsburgh, Dallas, Baltimore; All you will see the most of are Defensive player jerseys. Fans in those towns know what is what. Fans around are not educated on what it takes to get to the next level.

By fed up

September 18, 2007 10:14 AM | Link to this

It has been said time and time again, Offense can win games, Defense wins championship. When I go around this city, all I see are Palmer, Johnson and other Bengal jersays all of offensive players. Go to Pittsburgh, Dallas, Baltimore; All you will see the most of are Defensive player jerseys. Fans in those towns know what is what. Fans around are not educated on what it takes to get to the next level.

By Dewey

September 18, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Marvin was to be a defensive guru. What happened? I think he has lost his way. He had better get it together or the Bengals will have a bad season. I don’t think Cohwer is not the answer . Some good butt chewing and hard work can bring them back.

By steve

September 18, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Tom,

Marvin made Carson his fist pick…LeBeau was long gone. Chad was taken in the 2nd round in 2001 so he was indeed pre-Marvin.

I say fire Marvin and hire Cower. We’d definitely have a “D”.

By FOOTBALL HEAD

September 18, 2007 9:42 AM | Link to this

Marvin has helped turn the team around, we have not had a losing season under him, this is also his first head coaching gig, he just like the team will have his ups and downs, leave him be. Ludwig wants to bother him just like all the other yellow journalists working for the DDN, DDN is the wost paper there is, and this POS Ludwig helps prove my point

By Brad

September 18, 2007 9:09 AM | Link to this

This is a product of the way Mike Brown allocates his salary cap money and ignores defense. He depends almost exclusively on the draft for playmakers and impact players, and we all know that’s a huge gamble, when you don’t supplement failed draft choices with “good” free agents, and your mid-round picks end up being nothing more than special teamers or #3 guys at best. The 2007 draft could end up being the worst, if Leon Hall doesn’t turn things around at some point.

By LJM

September 18, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Tom - while I agree with your points I do want to point out that Marvin did in fact draft Carson. He was his “first” pick. That being said, our defense is going to ruin another promising season.

The more things change…the more they stay the same.

Meet the new boss…same as the old boss.

I am sensing a theme here…

By eric

September 18, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

Chick is totally wrong when he states that Bill Cowher said he thinks that Marvin condones Chad’s antics. What he ACTUALLY said was ” I don’t condone that behavior and I don’t think Marvin does either.” You should rely on your notes Chick, Not your short term memory because it’s obviously going south.

Anyone who watched that press conference could clearly hear the intent to provoke Marvin in Ludwig’s voice. It was almost as though the washed up reporter had something personal against the man.

By eric

September 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

Chick is totally wrong when he states that Bill Cowher said he thinks that Marvin condones Chad’s antics. What he ACTUALLY said was ” I don’t condone that behavior and I don’t think Marvin does either.” You should rely on your notes Chick, Not your short term memory because it’s obviously going south.

Anyone who watched that press conference could clearly hear the intent to provoke Marvin in Ludwig’s voice. It was almost as though the washed up reporter had something personal against the man.

By KP

September 18, 2007 9:05 AM | Link to this

They’ll finish behind the Steelers - as usual. And then the Bengal fans will try to blame their crappy defense on the Steelers, because they knocked Carson Palmer out of the playoffs, game denying them a chance to go to the Super Bowl. Bengals, meet 8-8. 8-8, meet the Bengals. So glad to meet you! I feel like we’ve met before.

By Mick

September 18, 2007 8:58 AM | Link to this

We may be expecting too much,we’ve had one winning season under Lewis,why should we expect more?

By Ben

September 18, 2007 8:49 AM | Link to this

They will play good football and maybe some no-so-good football over the next 14 games. So will every other team! We’re not looking at any team going 16 & 0 and a guaranteed Bowl ring. Let them play football and enjoy the action! Let’s stop obsessing over what turns out to be a six-point victory by Cleveland.

By Corey

September 18, 2007 8:43 AM | Link to this

In response to Tom… I remind you that Baltimore’s offense is horrible. I don’t even think it was a fluke, it was just taking advantage of a crappy offense. Do we play Notre Dame this year?

By Corey

September 18, 2007 8:41 AM | Link to this

What do I think WILL happen? Absolutely nothing. Nothing has changed with the defense in years, what’s to make me think it will now?

By tom

September 18, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

Our defense look’s no further along today than it was six years ago under LeBeau. The Ravens game may have been a fluke since they had all summer to prepare and a home crowd.

Our only bright spots are Chad and Carson….Marvin didn’t draft them. LeBeau did.

Looks like a long season…..