By Felix

June 19, 2007 3:49 PM | Link to this

Regarding this bit of nonsense:

“Dunn has a VORP of 25.7 for 2006 and a MBFR of -29.5

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=100142

That means an average replacement player would provide the team with 3.8 more runs that Dunn!!!!”

VORP stands for Value Over Replacement Player. That 25.7 means Dunn has ADDED 25.7 RUNS TO DATE OVER A REPLACEMENT PLAYER, and certainly not that he’s been 3.8 runs worse. Get a clue, dude. DON’T TRADE DUNN!

By Matt

June 19, 2007 9:16 AM | Link to this

Why trade Dunn? Why not try to get a prospect out of Scott Hatteberg? As much as I love Hatteberg he is old, but his .300 average may be attractive to a team looking to add a bat. If you trade Hatteberg you can move Dunn to first. This would give us our first power hitting first basemen since Tony Perez (and make the strike outs easier to swallow). Then your outfield could be set with Hamilton, Freel and Griffey Jr.

By Matt

June 19, 2007 9:11 AM | Link to this

Why trade Adam Dunn? Why not get a prospect or two for Scott Hatteberg? Then you can move Dunn to First and have Hamilton, Freel and Griffey Jr. in the outfield. Moving Dunn to first would give us our first power hitting first basemen since Tony Perez. As much as I love Hatteberg he is getting old, and his .300 average may look attractive to a team looking to add a bat. This way we keep our young talent and maybe get a prospect or two.

By Griff

June 14, 2007 9:38 PM | Link to this

As a white sox fan, I would never dream of giving up someone like Mark Buerhle or even Jermaine Dye for Dunn…I saw some of you wackos say that you would take Roy Oswalt for Dunn (as if the Astros are idiots)…Are all Reds fans crazy? Why do you think your trash is gold for another team? You are starting to sound like some of my fello white sox fans who think we can still make the playoffs. By the way, where can I get some of the stuff you guys are smoking?

By Griff

June 14, 2007 9:37 PM | Link to this

As a white sox fan, I would never dream of giving up someone like Mark Buerhle or even Jermaine Dye for Dunn…I saw some of you wackos say that you would take Roy Oswalt for Dunn (as if the Astros are idiots)…Are all Reds fans crazy? Why do you think your trash is gold for another team? You are starting to sound like some of my fello white sox fans who think we can still make the playoffs? By the way, where can I get some of the stuff you guys are smoking?

By Anthony

June 14, 2007 5:31 PM | Link to this

We could use Adam Dunn. If I were General Manager, I would trade Brett Tomko because he is overpaid for a Middle Relief. I would also add a prospect that is a catcher since we got Russel Martin. So… Tomko, Prospect (catcher) for Adam Dunn.

We could have Dunn play first and move Nomar to third.

By John

June 14, 2007 4:52 PM | Link to this

you REDS fans are idiots. No way we will give you Broxton and Kemp for Dunn. Let alone Broxton for Dunn. We’ll give you Tomko and Ethier. There’s a reason why the Dodgers compete for the division every year and you don’t. Idiots.

By Michael

June 14, 2007 1:02 AM | Link to this

They should’ve traded him two years ago. Nothing’s changed since then-and at least there was an “upside” at that time.If he can’t make the time to improve himself,then I can’t make the time to buy tickets and drive to Cincinnati to go see him. I’m fine with the rest of the Regular Reds(bullpen not included).Most of the people reading this could at least swing,get a piece of the ball,and move a runner over.As far as the mention above about Lopez and Kearns-GOOD RIDDANCE! Check the stats.

By BuckNut

June 14, 2007 12:06 AM | Link to this

No way! Keep him! Yeah, he has some issues with defense and strikeouts, but I say move him to first, and as long as he keeps up his 40+ homers a year and 100+ RBIs a year, let him stay. Not to mention, it’s just bad when he punishes that ball over the stands in right field! I enjoy watching “Tha Number One Dunner” come up to the plate. I’m thinking we shop around for a replacement for Castro, Gonzalez, and BRONSON… is the guy ever coming out of his “rut”? Long and short, KEEP DUNN!

By Trade Idea's

June 13, 2007 6:45 PM | Link to this

Now for the trade proposal:

Adam Dunn and cash considerations (or possible reliever, i.e Weathers)

for

Nick Adenhart and Reggie Willits

Free Agent’s we should attempt to tender for 2008:

Aaron Rowand CF

1 SP - (Curt Schilling, Jason Jennings, Mark Buerhle, Jake Westbrook)

Closer - Scott Linebrink

For those who dont know, Ardenhart is considered the Angels top pitching prospect (and future #1 starter), and isnt too far off from being rated as high as Homer Bailey

34.) NICK ADENHART, rhp, Angels He’s making Los Angeles look very smart for signing him for $710,000 out of the 2004 draft even though he needed Tommy John surgery Opening Day Age: 20. ETA: 2008

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/263445.html

If we could get Willits/Ardenhart for Dunn (& anything else to make the deal work), then we wouldnt have to pick up Dunn’s option for next year (13 million, consider it money already spent), Miltons contract would go off the books (10 million), and Lohse’s contract (4.5), all coming off the books!

With that money free’d up, I’d use it to go after:

Aaron Rowand (7-9 million), Scott Linebrink, Closer (4-5 million), and a top starting pitcher, like Curt Schilling (could go as high as 14.5 million in a bidding war, if all the above occurs)

SP - Aaron Harang

SP - (1. Curt Schilling 2. Jason Jennings 3. Mark Buerhle OR 4. Jake Westbrook…….in that order)

SP - Bronson Arroyo

SP - Matt Belisle

SP - Homer Bailey

along with another Number #1 starter waiting down in the minors for 2009……

SP - Nick Ardenhart

LF - Hamilton

RF - Griffey

CF - Rowand

1B - Votto / Hatte?

2B - Phillips

SS - Gonzalez

3B - EE ?

C - Ross (TBH, I dont think he is going ANYWHERE, anytime soon, unfortunately)

I’d use a rotation of Griffey / Hamilton / Rowand/ Freel / and Willits to keep everyone healthy and fresh!

Scott Linebrink could close out games, and we could run a core of Weathers/Majewski/Coutangelous/Coffey/Bray/Stanton out in the 7th and 8th, where they belong.

By Rich Perry

June 13, 2007 6:35 PM | Link to this

Do Reds fans ever learn? Go ahead, trade Dunn and his 40+ homers for some worthless prospects that will never see an inning at GABP. Dunn has never been the “MAIN” reason this team loses. But go ahead….obviously nobody learned from the Kearns/Lopez fiasco.

By Trade Idea's

June 13, 2007 6:28 PM | Link to this

Mr Dunn and his plate discipline:

http://jinaz-reds.blogspot.com/2007/06/adam-dunns-plate-discipline.html

The highest sensitivities top 1.00, while the lowest are around 0.2 or 0.3. Adam Dunn, in 2006, had a sensitivity of 0.48, which ranked him 404th 431 batters. This means that Dunn makes far more mistakes than correct choices in terms of how he responds to pitches.

The second statistic that PC reports is “response bias.” This essentially tells you the direction in which a batter makes mistakes. High biases (over 1.00) indicate batters that tend to swing and miss a lot more than they take strikes. Low biases (below 1.00) indicate batters that tend to take a lot more strikes than they swing and miss. Adam Dunn’s response bias was a fairly low 0.918. This indicates that he takes a lot more strikes than he swings and misses.

The overall view of Adam Dunn, therefore, is that of a hitter that makes a lot of mistakes with regards to when he should swing, usually because he’s taking pitches that he “should be” swinging at. This is very consistent with most scouting reports on him, of course, but this is the first time that I’ve seen statistics that can really demonstrate this.

By Trade Idea's

June 13, 2007 6:24 PM | Link to this

Now for this year:

2007 - OBP - .348 AVG - .252 SLG - .523 OPS - .871

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4808

And he’s yet to hit the fatal stretch run, (August and September), when Dunn becomes completely anemic….

Over a 3-year span, Check Stats mentioned above in August and September:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?statsId=6763&type=batting3

Also worth mentioning, his BB’s are way down when compared to the last 3 years and his SO rate is on pace to smash the MLB record for most whiffs in a season.

By Trade Idea's

June 13, 2007 6:19 PM | Link to this

Another interesting stat,

Dunn has a VORP of 25.7 for 2006 and a MBFR of -29.5

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=100142

That means an average replacement player would provide the team with 3.8 more runs that Dunn!!!!

The average MLB salary this season was $2.6M, yet Dunn will make 13M next season, if resigned….

What could we get for 13 million?

Also, the average replacement player would be dramatically better in the OF, when compared to Dunn…….Who knows how many runs could have been saved?

By Trade Idea's

June 13, 2007 6:17 PM | Link to this

Here are Dunn’s stats since 2004 in the 3 main offensive catagories that are considered most important: OPS, OBP, SLG and I will add in AVG., too, all of which have gone down after each season.

OPS

2004 - .957

2005 - .927

2006 - .855

OBP

2004 - .388

2005 - .387

2006 - .365

SLG

2004 - .569

2005 - .540

2006 - .490

AVG

2004 - .266

2005 - .247

2006 - .234

Four year span, the trend continues to slide…..

http://www.fangraphs.com/graphs.

By Crash

June 13, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

dunn for lidge is probably the best fit for both teams. little problem: SAME DIVISION!!!

By Crash

June 13, 2007 6:08 PM | Link to this

dunn for lidge is probably the best fit for both teams. little problem: SAME DIVISION!!!

By Steve

June 13, 2007 6:04 PM | Link to this

I seriously believe Dunn’s defense has improved, although the chances of him winning a gold glove are the same as Arroyo winning a home run title. My question is why doesn’t anyone want him traded within the division- Harang led the league in Strikeouts last year even without pitching against the Reds- think of his totals if he got to face Dunn at the plate. Sorry, they should have never traded Lopez, Casey, or Kearns last year for lackluster relief pitching. Trade Dunn, but get something good.

By YAJEED

June 13, 2007 5:56 PM | Link to this

Adam Dunn? I want him gone! Let him take his bag of strike outs somewhere else. I would much rather face him than have him in our line up. He really belongs in a Budweiser soft ball league. He can’t be gone soon enough to suit me. I’ve been saying this for years! Reds management, please wake up. Give us players like Ryan Freel, Brandon Phillips, Norris Hopper, Josh Hamilton and anybody else that can execute the game of small ball. Now that’s exciting baseball. Remember Morgan, Rose, Conception??

By Dave

June 13, 2007 5:22 PM | Link to this

Dunn is expendable espceially in light of Norris Hopper’s apparent success and Joey Votto’s progress in AAA Ball. Dunn is a great guy but he is a defensive liability, strikes out way to many times and his run producing hits in critical situations are rare. Thanks for your services Mr. Dunn but your time in Cincinnati has expired!

By Garry

June 13, 2007 5:15 PM | Link to this

Trade him. Anyone can homer in GABP. We need guys that can make contact regularly, play defense, hit for average, and move runners along. We should be able to get someone good in return.

Or maybe they just need a new hitting coach…

By Hoff

June 13, 2007 4:21 PM | Link to this

You for get that Dunn has been a rock for this reds team since 2002. By the way he is a run producer. Dunn has averaged 42 homers, 95 RBI and 104 runs. How many people do the Dodgers have that can do that. That is a big ZER0. Wow I own you doubters of Dunn. Pedro my friend, if he were to be traded he would not be traded for just one of La Roche, Loney, Eithier, Hendrickson, or Tomko. The Reds are not in the market for those prospects and specially none of that crappy pitching.Give me Broxton

By Jammin

June 13, 2007 4:18 PM | Link to this

Dunn should stay-Reds cannot get anybody who will replace 40HR and 100RBI-unless it is a pitcher who gives up that many. Also what marketabilitydo the Reds have. Not too many folks gonna purchase Hatteberg and Conine jerseys-the man needs to be sent to 1st base to rot-bad defense or not. Dunn is age 27-28 is considered the prime year in MLB. They dropped the ball on Kearns-Junior is quite weak in right field. Oh Marge, where are ya when we need ya?

By Birdman

June 13, 2007 4:07 PM | Link to this

I definately agree that Dunn is a horable run producer. Not to mention the slowest and laziest outfielder you can possibly have. He might be a great guy and all, but he needs to realize that he is definately no Babe Ruth. GET RID OF THE BIG HEAD!!! But how many times have we counted on Dunn to just hit a fly ball to tie the game and he failed to produce. Time to go Dunn! Your time is up in Cincy!! And as for Freel, you cant ask for a player who hustles his heart out more the Pete Rose did!!

By Birdman

June 13, 2007 4:05 PM | Link to this

I definately agree that Dunn is a horable run producer. Not to mention the slowest and laziest outfielder you can possibly have. He might be a great guy and all, but he needs to realize that he is definately no Babe Ruth. GET RID OF THE BIG HEAD!!! I just as the game last night, the whole team were doing all the fundimentals of the game. But how many times have we counted on Dunn to just hit a fly ball to tie the game and he failed to produce. Time to go Dunn! Your time is up in Cincy!!!!!!!!!!!

By Pedro

June 13, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

Dodger fan. We need power badly and will pursue Dunn. There are some prospects that are untouchable. Broxton, Billingsley, Kemp. La Roche, Loney and Ethier are most likely to be available. Maybe Wilson Betemit. As far as pitching, maybe Hendrickson, Tomko, Tsao. It wont be to Dodgers benefit to give up too much especially if Dunn will likely command big bucks next season and is not a bonafied defensive player. Notice that most of our lineup is hard to strike out with high OBP.

By Claire

June 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

I guess I’m not surprised at the number of comments already logged in here. Having seen both Kearns and Dunn while they played in Dayton, I much preferred the baseball guy, Kearns. Having said that, it’s Dunn the Reds have now and what’s a farm system to do if it keeps developing talent that only gets traded away. For a while,the Dragons had at least one super shortstop every year and none of them made it to Cincy. Bottom line? Manage the players you have including Dunn.

By Claire

June 13, 2007 3:32 PM | Link to this

I guess I’m not surprised at the number of comments already logged in here. Having seen both Kearns and Dunn while they played in Dayton, I much preferred the baseball guy, Kearns. Having said that, it’s Dunn the Reds have now and what’s a farm system to do if it keeps developing talent that only gets traded away. For a while,the Dragons had at least one super shortstop every year and none of them made it to Cincy. Bottom line? Manage the players you have including Dunn.

By Marc

June 13, 2007 3:25 PM | Link to this

As an Angels fan I can only tell you he has no spot to play in Anaheim. Kotchman is stellar at 1B and affordable. No way he plays LF, we already have a log jam out there. DH isn’t an option with Rivera, Anderson and Hillenbrand already there. Dunn fits best in the AL and he has Baltimore written all over him. The Orioles have some young arms they can dangle and can afford to give an OF in return - Jay Payton or Corey Patterson?

By Dave

June 13, 2007 2:35 PM | Link to this

Give Dunn and Majewski away to anyone who would take them.The Reds would be a whole lot better.

By Jeff

June 13, 2007 2:26 PM | Link to this

LMAO!! at reds fans. you think you guys can get any one of broxton, billingsly, or loney?!?!?!? what are you guys smoking???? you won’t get ANY OF THEM. the absolute best you could get would be an Andre Ethier type, and even that’s a stretch. keep dreaming

By Jeff

June 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

LMAO!! at reds fans. you think you guys can get any one of broxton, billingsly, or loney?!?!?!? what are you guys smoking???? you won’t get ANY OF THEM. the absolute best you could get would be an Andre Ethier type, and even that’s a stretch. keep dreaming

By Jeff

June 13, 2007 2:25 PM | Link to this

LMAO!! at reds fans. you think you guys can get any one of broxton, billingsly, or loney?!?!?!? what are you guys smoking???? you won’t get ANY OF THEM. the absolute best you could get would be an Andre Ethier type, and even that’s a stretch. keep dreaming

By patbut

June 13, 2007 2:02 PM | Link to this

They trade Dunn - watch his buddy Griffey waive his no trade clause - then they will both be gone - hopefully the Reds can get some good middle relief for them.

By Dan

June 13, 2007 1:43 PM | Link to this

My problem with Dunn is that I see his role as being our big run producer, but if you look at his stats, he clearly is not yet the go-to guy we want. If you look at the stats for this year:

255 Total At Bats(includes walks) 31 walks 85 strikeouts

116 out of 255 total at bats are either strike outs or walks…that’s 45% of the time that our run producer DOESN’T EVEN PUT THE BALL IN PLAY!! This will be an issue no matter which team he is on until he decides to fix it himself.

By David

June 13, 2007 1:09 PM | Link to this

Its too late to talk about trading Dunn, the Reds should have traded Dunn two years ago when for some reasons Kerns was traded insted of Dunn big mistake. Dunn’s value has deeply decreased for what the Reds need, the only hope now is that Dunn can make a turn around and stop being so selfish and play to the level he can play, then trade him.

By Larry Meiring

June 13, 2007 12:59 PM | Link to this

I like Adam Dunn a lot, but a trade to Los Angeles for Johnathan Broxton would be my first option. Broxton throws serious heat and puts to shame the rest of the talent in the Reds bullpen. The Padres want him too but I doubt we could get Linebrink.

By Ike

June 13, 2007 12:43 PM | Link to this

As a Houstonian, I can certainly say that the city wouldn’t mind a Lidge for Dunn trade. You’re not going to get Pence, Oswalt, or Patton, so keep dreaming. While our GM is an idiot, he’s nowhere near as big an idiot as your GM. If I’m Houston, the only way I pull the trigger for Dunn is if he agrees to a contract extension before the deal is done.

By Ted

June 13, 2007 12:39 PM | Link to this

Adam Dunn has outlived his usefulness with the Reds. How many times has he struck out with the game on the line and I’ve seen for myself his lack of ambition on the base paths. Sure, I give him a lot of credit for his 40 homer seasons but in the scheme of things how does that match up to all the strikeouts? The Reds have lost too many games in the 7th and 8th innings, games that should have been won. What the Reds need is solid pitching especially in the late innings.

By BJ

June 13, 2007 12:24 PM | Link to this

Keep dreaming of getting a package of top prospects. The Dodgers would be stupid to trade 2 young players in Billingsley and Loney for a bad fielding player that they can control for 2 or 3 months.

The Reds will be lucky to get a B prospect + someone who is a bench player. If you trade with the Angels, as an example, you are talking about Quinlan and like Haynes. You will not land Wood, Kendrick, Aybar, Saunders, Mosely, Anderhelt, Willits, etc.

By Dave

June 13, 2007 12:23 PM | Link to this

Another Look at Dunn’s Strikeout Numbers:

In just 6 full seasons (5 full plus 2 half, including this year) Dunn has already struck out more times than Brooks Robinson did in his entire 23 year career.

He’s struck out more than Gary Sheffield has in his 20 year career.

If he keeps going at his current pace, he’ll be the all-time SO leader after 15 seasons in his career…a mark it took Reggie Jackson 21 years to achieve.

He’ll be number 2 on the list after just 13 seasons.

By hj

June 13, 2007 12:22 PM | Link to this

As a fan it seems the Reds management uses one of three action plans 1)if your young & have options - we send you to Louisville 2)if your liked - we ignore it 3)if you had trade potential - then we trade you.

Whatever happended to player development in the Majors!

By Blake

June 13, 2007 12:16 PM | Link to this

WHy would they send Dunn to the Astros? If he went to Houston he would go Paul Oneill, become a Hall Of Famer after he leaves the Reds and kill them Everytime he comed back to town. If he finally firguers this game out I would rather him do where he can’t hurt the Reds

By Blake

June 13, 2007 12:15 PM | Link to this

WHy would they send Dunn to the Astros? If he went to Houston he would go Paul Oneill, become a Hall Of Famer after he leaves the Reds and kill them Everytime he comed back to town. If he finally firguers this game out I would rather him do where he can’t hurt the Reds

By BJ

June 13, 2007 12:11 PM | Link to this

Dunn is really an DH. His value diminishes greatly if he is forced to play in the field. As a DH you need to see what teams have a need in that position AND are in the play-off hunt.

Potential suiters - Yankees, Angels, Mariners, Oakland. Yankees are doubtful because they need that DH spot to rotate their players into. Angels make sense but won’t part with any decent prospect. Mariners are pretenders and will be out of the race shortly. Oakland is viable but cheap.

By Dave

June 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Link to this

I say trade Dunn if you get anything of value for him. He’s a nice person and I’m sure he’s a positive force in the clubhouse, but he doesn’t make the Reds a better team. He’s on pace to strike out 212 times this season…which puts him on pace to break (shatter) his own MLB record. If he leads the league in SO’s this year he’ll tie a major league record for leading the league in strikeouts for a 4th consecutive season. His HR’s always seem to come when they’re too little too late.

By DANNY FROM NY

June 13, 2007 12:07 PM | Link to this

I’m a big Griffey fan and reds fan because of that

But i think Dunn Should get traded to the Dodgers maybe get Billingsley for him and and james loney would be a great trade for both teams

By Phil

June 13, 2007 11:53 AM | Link to this

Why is everyone so big on Freel. he is an average player who is a glorified backup. Hopper is the same way, but at least he hits for average and can get on base. I say, keep done and trade Freel for a fungo bat

By Jack

June 13, 2007 11:46 AM | Link to this

Trade Adam Dunn for a real lights out flame throwing closer. All serious contenders have one The Reds do not. Weathers’ numbers have been OK and he gives his all. But he is not a flame thrower and his numbers can’t be good because he is being over used. If that is not possible then trade Dunn for a CATCHER who has BOTH GOOD OFFENSE and DEFENSE at the SAME TIME. Valentin is fine as a pinch-hitting back-up catcher. But the Reds do NOT have the type of catcher a contending team needs and have not had one for years. Including LaRue. Dunn is not needed. The Reds have the outfield well covered with Hopper, Freel, Hamilton and Griffey. Maybe another team can figure out Dunn’s strikeout dementia. Obviously, the Reds can’t EXAMPLE: Trade Dunn to Houston for Lidge? Because. Houston has other closers. Lidge wants to be one again and throws 97 MPH. He could be a big deal closer with the Reds. If we don’t think Lidge can get guys out in the 9th, how about Qualls or Wheeler? The way Houston is going they will want to move some high priced talent. Houston is getting too old. The offense needs some youth. They should jump at getting Dunn. Houston is Dunn’s home town. The fans will want him and he should jump at it too

By Jack

June 13, 2007 11:44 AM | Link to this

Trade Adam Dunn for a real lights out flame throwing closer. All serious contenders have one The Reds do not. Weathers’ numbers have been OK and he gives his all. But he is not a flame thrower and his numbers can’t be good because he is being over used. If that is not possible then trade Dunn for a CATCHER who has BOTH GOOD OFFENSE and DEFENSE at the SAME TIME. Valentin is fine as a pinch-hitting back-up catcher. But the Reds do NOT have the type of catcher a contending team needs and have not had one for years. Including LaRue. Dunn is not needed. The Reds have the outfield well covered with Hopper, Freel, Hamilton and Griffey. Maybe another team can figure out Dunn’s strikeout dementia. Obviously, the Reds can’t EXAMPLE: Trade Dunn to Houston for Lidge? Because. Houston has other closers. Lidge wants to be one again and throws 97 MPH. He could be a big deal closer with the Reds. If we don’t think Lidge can get guys out in the 9th, how about Qualls or Wheeler? The way Houston is going they will want to move some high priced talent. Houston is getting too old. The offense needs some youth. They should jump at getting Dunn. Houston is Dunn’s home town. The fans will want him and he should jump at it too

By DA

June 13, 2007 11:21 AM | Link to this

TRADE HIM TO LA FOR BROXTON (FUTURE CLOSER) AND POSSIBLE KEMP COULD BE STUD OUT FIELDER RIGHTHANDED HITTER LOTS OF POWER

By Wags

June 13, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Are you serious, Dunn was awful at first!

By Jerry

June 13, 2007 10:48 AM | Link to this

I think the Reds missed the boat when they didn’t make Dunner move to first base a few years ago. If he had moved to first and dedicated his time to practice in the infield, we wouldn’t be having these rumors flying around now. The outfield would be set with Griffey, Freel, Hamilton & Hopper.

By Lauro

June 13, 2007 10:18 AM | Link to this

I’m here in L.A. and the rumors abound about the Dodgers getting Dunn. But after reading some of these comments, I’m dead-set against it! We already have guy who can’t play left playing left (Luis Gonzalez), and you guys are probably going to want some of our young pitching in return. Also, we will probably end up giving this guy some ridiculous contract next year (ie Jason Schmidt) - and look how THAT turned out! OOOPS, sorry Cincy fans, forgot this is a Reds thread.

By Birdman

June 13, 2007 10:12 AM | Link to this

Trade him! His game has gone downhill big time and there are several other players on that team who are more than willing to hustle alot harder and do what it takes to win. Trade him for a strong closer and put Josh Hamilton in leftfield. Then you have Ryan Freel in centerfield with Norris Hopper as your back-up outfielder. Jerry Narron needs to get this “break” policy out of his head. These guys are paid millions to play every day. If they can’t play every day, then get rid of them!

By freda gschwender

June 13, 2007 10:03 AM | Link to this

i like dunn. they already traded casey and kerns and brett boone. they got better when they were traded. that must tell you something. wake up.

By todd

June 13, 2007 9:50 AM | Link to this

Why do the Reds’ players play the way they want and not the way they need to play? Yes, Dunn has big weaknesses in his game. However, what prevents a good hitting coach and a good manager from making it clear what Dunn must do to play? I see no hint of anyone working with him and demanding that he shorten his swing with 2 strikes and/or men in scoring positions, etc. If he does not do what is requested of him, sit him down until he does. There are others who can fill in.

By Cait

June 13, 2007 9:30 AM | Link to this

I like Dunn as a person. He’s friendly, good with fans and media and I like his self-depricating humor. And he hits awesome home runs. I’ve been defending him for a few years now because I felt he was still so young and hadn’t been a baseball-first player his whole life (remember his football scholarship?). I felt he would get better and his K’s would drop and OF defense improve. But that’s really not happening. But if, IF, we can get a top player(s) in return, especially a closer, go for it.

By polly

June 13, 2007 9:27 AM | Link to this

Why would a team want to keep someone who, at the end of last year had given up on the team and the fans. He made it obvious how he felt by doing a whole lot of nothing, but lugging around his golf clubs. He is a boil just festering. Pop him with a trade and move on.

By Byron P.

June 13, 2007 9:26 AM | Link to this

I’d trade Dunn for Roy Oswalt in a minute.

By Brad

June 13, 2007 9:21 AM | Link to this

This team is bad for many reasons, but most of them go back 5+ years, way before Krivsky got here. Our minor leagues were decimated, we had no scouts. That hurts a team for years, and we’re still paying the price. It’s going to take some time to correct those transgressions; it’s not a one year turnaround. Minnesota’s success was built around pitching, defense and speed. Wayne is moving towards that. Does anybody think we should resign Dunn next year for $13M? Trade him now, get something

By Byron

June 13, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Trade him, but just make sure he isn’t traded to another NL Central team. That kind of thing always comes back to haunt you.

By Byron

June 13, 2007 9:10 AM | Link to this

Trade him, but just make sure he isn’t traded to another NL Central team. That kind of thing always comes back to haunt you.

By Wags

June 13, 2007 9:07 AM | Link to this

Taggr, Griffey has actually been hitting opposite field pretty well this year (making his pops proud). Despite him not being as quick as he used to be, his numbers are starting to resemble his younger years out West. Because of this it makes Griffey an almost more likely trade than Dunn. People still love Griffey here, unlike Dunn, but when you have players that can fill the spot (Hamilton, Hopper, Freel), then why not get them in the line-up. Also, Griffey’s trade value would be higher.

By Bob

June 13, 2007 9:06 AM | Link to this

All the keys of the team are discussed with George gushing over Jr’s sac fly and Ross’s bunt, but none would have mattered without Hamilton’s slide. He just showed another tool to go with the five others. He is the only one who keeps me coming back to the park or to the TV(with the sound off so not to hear George.)

By Aaron

June 13, 2007 8:54 AM | Link to this

Yes, please trade this lazy player. We’ve been talking about this for 4 years and it’s time to dump him and his poor defense and attitude. Just please get something in return

By Dave

June 13, 2007 8:51 AM | Link to this

Hal McCoy correctly points out what is missed in most public discussions regarding a potential trade of Adam Dunn. If he’s traded, his club option for 2008 is voided. I doubt he’d have huge trade value. However, it could still yield eventual dividends. Remember Jose Guillen for Aaron Harang?

By Mr. Redlegs

June 13, 2007 8:46 AM | Link to this

I have come to ignore almost any thread or post that contains “Dunn.” There is absolutely nothing more that can be said—love him, hate him, trade him, keep him. A consensus is never going to be reached about “The Dunn Situation” and I’m afraid that our great, great grandchildren will read on Wikipedia, “Adam Dunn, Baseball Player, revered, despised, and single-handedly divided Cincinnati Redlegs Nation until baseball’s first professional franchise moved to Louisville.”

Enough already.

By TAGGR

June 13, 2007 8:40 AM | Link to this

Looks like Wayne is in the mood for ANOTHER butt kicking. When is it going to be time to point fingers at Krivsky and the coaching? He cripples this team with his terrible moves for broken down pitchers. The batting coaches can’t even teach players how to lay down a bunt. And neither Dunn or Griffey can figure out how to hit a ball to left when they put the shift on. They are supposed to be big time stars and no one can get them to do it. Would the shift have worked on Ted Williams?

By Dave

June 13, 2007 8:35 AM | Link to this

Trade the entrie team!

By Dick

June 13, 2007 8:12 AM | Link to this

Whatever the Reds do they need to look beyond this season. What will Dunn command in the free agent market this winter versus what will the Reds pay?? He hits with power and is a good guy in the clubhose. But he doesn’t field well, and most any lefty can get him out in a tough situation in the late innings. It sounds as if there’s a trainee in Louisvile ready to come up.

By Wags

June 13, 2007 7:56 AM | Link to this

Yes Dunn has power, yes he has been a staple name in Cincinnati and Dayton, but when it comes down to it, if my son asked me who he should play like, the last person I would say is Adam Dunn. He is lazy, and he is selfish. The main reason he strikes out so much is because he swings for the fences every single time. How many sac flies has he hit in the past 5 years? 5? It’s appalling. Narron says he wants a team that plays baseball and all Dunn is doing is trying to better his own numbers. trade!

By Jeff

June 13, 2007 7:43 AM | Link to this

I’ve always liked Dunn since I saw him play in Dayton (A). I believe he would be a better fit for an American League team anyway because of his power and lack of fielding. Problem is the Reds never seem to get the best of a deal, so I’m sure the Reds would lose no matter who they trade for.

By tim

June 13, 2007 7:37 AM | Link to this

Why is everything that is bad about this team Dunn’s fault? If he strikes out with men on, let’s trade Dunn. If Griffey Jr. strikes out with men on, well Jr. just missed that one. If Jr. can’t get to a gapper, boy he used to but injuries have slowed him. It’s a joke. Last time I looked Dunn didn’t pitch. I hope they trade him and becomes and Konerko. The Reds have no clue in talent. Look at what they have traded away playing very well now with a better team. Yep, it’s all Dunn’s fault!

By Scott

June 13, 2007 5:47 AM | Link to this

I think the Reds should keep Dunn. I don’t see who they could possibly get that would be an impact player in his place. They need a great reliever/closer and no one is giving that up in a pennant race. He is a fan favorite, despite the strikeouts. He also seems to have great clubhouse chemistry with Griffey and the others. Finally, after last years goofy trade, I have no faith in the Reds front office to make any kind of trade that’s in our favor.

By JJ

June 13, 2007 5:20 AM | Link to this

It once again appears the Reds front office is clueless. Dunn should have been traded in the off-season when we could have gotten more for him and went into spring training with a plan for where the player(s) aquired would fit in. Now another lame trade such as the one with the Nats. last year looms. Just a few years ago Dunn, Kearns, Casey, Lopez, etc. were said to be the cornerstones of our move to Great American-now they are gone and what is the plan now??

By Tony

June 13, 2007 4:17 AM | Link to this

I think to trade Dunn would be good, if the Reds could get a quality “A” player. I felt the Reds let quality players like Kearns and Lopez to some extent get away for little in return.

By Mike

June 13, 2007 2:07 AM | Link to this

Despite his tremendous power, I feel Dunn is too much of a liability with all his strikeouts, poor numbers with runners in scoring position, and his defense. I would be happy to trade him but saying that, I wouldn’t just give him away. Except if someone can make an offer the Reds can’t refuse, I would wait until close to July 31 with the idea that teams would be willing to up the ante.

By Paul

June 13, 2007 1:54 AM | Link to this

I think the Reds need to make a trade and Dunn is the only guy who could be traded and actually get an impact player in return. I like Dunn and his HRs but the Ks kind of squelch my enthusiasm. I believe there is a team out there who needs Dunn and has what the Reds are after. My worry is with the front office and whether we’ll end up with another head scratcher of a trade saying “What were they thinking?”