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By BOB DUERSTOCK

December 1, 2007 3:55 PM | Link to this

You guys say trade Griffey.I agree!!!!The problem is he won:t go!!!!NO 2 no one wants him!!!!

By Steve

December 1, 2007 2:42 PM | Link to this

Relax folks - the Reds aren’t going to trade ALL their outfielders, but none of them should be untouchable (with the possible exception of Bruce) if you get the right pitching value in return. Haven’t heard much about a catcher, but need an upgrade there, too.

By Brian

November 30, 2007 2:36 PM | Link to this

Bruce, I don’t think Freel would fetch much in return, or we’d be eating his salary to play somewhere else. If Freel stays as a utility player, you would have Freel, Keppinger, Cantu, and Juan Castro as reserve IF/OF on the 40-man roster, and Keppinger would have the most trade value and no position. That brings up a better question, why is Juan Casto still on the 40-man roster? I like Kepp, but I like pitching a LOT better. Kepp, Stubbs & Maloney is a good price for a No. 2/3

By Bruce from Columbus

November 30, 2007 1:42 PM | Link to this

Brian,

you are willing to give up too much for Cook. Jury is still out on Stubbs, but the Reds need Kepp. I am sure Freel will be dealt for prospects leaving a need for a utility guy.

By Brian

November 30, 2007 12:53 PM | Link to this

Does anyone else like Aaron Cook from the Rockies? He’s a local kid and a GREAT ground ball pitcher. I know he has a bit of an injury history, but he’s still young and I think it could work out very well for him in GABP with the Red’s run support. He was their opening Day starter in ‘07, but wasn’t part of the run down the stretch due to injury. The Rockies decided to pick up his option for this year, but they might not consider him part of their future. Keppinger, Stubbs,& Maloney for Cook

By Bruce from Columbus

November 30, 2007 11:28 AM | Link to this

JoJo your cover up is hilarious.

As for Encarnacion, why trade him? He had one of the best averages after his AAA callup. He is also one of the club’s best clutch hitters. He also has hidden power and an improving glove. Did I mention that he is young and cheap? Besides, because of his anonymity, he probably doesn’t have much trade value. Eddie will be a fixture at 3B for the Reds for many years to come.

2008 Prediction: .285 23HR 90RBI

By Sean

November 29, 2007 7:58 AM | Link to this

Hey Thomas L., why put Freel at third? If you trade EE, put JK at third and trade Freel as well. He can’t play everyday anyway! Freel is a great guy to have off the bench to plug-in whereever, but not as an everyday player.

By tom

November 29, 2007 7:48 AM | Link to this

You Reds fans are getting your hopes up once again! And I have to warn you every year that the Reds are not a winning organization.

By JO JO IS RIGHT

November 28, 2007 7:09 PM | Link to this

Of course all of these comments are wrong as usual. Hey Pete, I left out #4 and mispelled a word to see if any losers would notice. You win. You would make a great copy boy. Hamilton is a kepper, trade Freel he can’t stay healthy, and Bailey is a # 4 or 5 starter at best next year. You still need an inning eater and if you get one the Reds can compete for the Central until the end of the year.

By BG

November 28, 2007 5:48 PM | Link to this

Put lots of money in the bank—TRADE Griffey—quit worrying about a third starter trade. He’s already here! Homer Bailey isn’t chopped liver!

By Thomas L.

November 28, 2007 5:19 PM | Link to this

Number One Rule: If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Best bet would send Junior back to Seattle to finish his last year where he started. He’ll sell bunches of tickets if nothing else. Put Freel at 3rd. and trade EE. Leave Hatteberg at 1st and keep as many vetrans as possible. These new rooies chomping at the bits need more experience. Don’t think for one moment that they’re going to win any pennants the first two to three years because it’s not going to heppen, not in 2008, 2009 or 2010.

By Mike

November 27, 2007 4:44 PM | Link to this

Why would you trade an immensly talented 5 tool player in Hamilton, who is young and is a physically talented phenom for a mediocre short-term 4th or 5th starter when the guy has potential to be a superstar. When the Rays drafted him everyone forcasted him to be the next Mantle. Why not give him a shot while his salary is low, and especially the way he played last season?

By Mike

November 27, 2007 4:38 PM | Link to this

Whatever Krivsky does….Don’t trade Votto or Hamilton. They’re 1) Young, 2)Very Talented, 3)CHEAP!

By Byron P.

November 27, 2007 11:03 AM | Link to this

Good move. It will be wasted however, if they don’t bring in starting pitching to gell the team. With Stubbs, Dickerson and Bruce as well as Griffy, Dunn, Hamilton, Hopper and Freel the future of the Reds outfield is very crowded. Convert young potential star position players into young potential star pitchers. Giants (Cain, Lincecum, Hennessey, Lowry, Coreia, etc.) and Twins (Garza, Baker, Liriano, Slowey, etc.) match up well.

By bob

November 27, 2007 7:45 AM | Link to this

Now that the guy has his money, expect mediocracy from him.

By Trev

November 26, 2007 4:54 PM | Link to this

Don’t trade Hamilton for any stinkin’ 3rd starter. I think the biggest reason Josh had injury problem the past season was from workin’ too hard last winter swingin’ the bat, over, and over, and over again with Jerry & Johnny Narron. It paid off, but it wore him out. I think the knowledge that he made it over the MLB hump will allow him to get the proper rest this winter. He has to have confidence like never before, just watch out.

By Chuckwagon

November 26, 2007 2:51 PM | Link to this

The Reds spent a ton on this guy, but in todays free agent market you have to. I’d love to think they’ll get a #3 starter in free agency as well, but I doubt they’ll be able to pony up the dough for one.. It seems like Dunn and Griffey are here to stay in 08 but 09 is anyones guess. I’d love to see Hamilton stay simply b/c he’s a 5 tool talent with a cheap contract.. I’d prefer to dump Freel, Castro, Gonzo but I doubt they’ll be going anywhere unless we assume a portion of their contracts..

By Alex

November 26, 2007 11:19 AM | Link to this

Trade Votto, Cueto, and Freel for Dan Haren

By Dave from Louisville

November 25, 2007 6:33 PM | Link to this

Great move, look forward to being able to shut off the TV after the 8th. Coco was better than Rivera and Wagner last year…..is our division, how’s that for awesome.

By Pete

November 25, 2007 4:57 PM | Link to this

JO JO, you’re only partially correct. I’ll agree w/ your 1st point, partially w/ your 2nd. Just gimme one GOOD reason why the Reds or any other team SHOULD go after hacks like Benson, Fogg or Wells. They’d be better off to stick w/ what’s in their farm system.

I can agree w/ your 3rd point — makes sense. The jury’s out on your 5th — so we’ll see. & oh by the way…. you forgot your 4th point & learn how to spell IGNORANT (both of which has nothing to do w/ baseball knowledge).

By Pete

November 25, 2007 4:56 PM | Link to this

JO JO, you’re only partially correct. I’ll agree w/ your 1st point, partially w/ your 2nd. Just gimme one GOOD reason why the Reds or any other team SHOULD go after hacks like Benson, Fogg or Wells. They’d be better off to stick w/ what’s in their farm system.

I can agree w/ your 3rd point — makes sense. The jury’s out on your 5th — so we’ll see. & oh by the way…. you forgot your 4th point & learn how to spell IGNORANT (both of which has nothing to do w/ baseball knowledge).

By JO JO IS RIGHT

November 25, 2007 9:34 AM | Link to this

To continue. 3) Trade Freel and Hatteberg for prospects. Use thier money to find another pitcher if needed. 5) Dusty pushes these guys in spring training and gets them playing fundementals.

Result, in the race all year, if harang and Arryo hold up, win the division. Now quit whining and get with the program!

By JO JO IS RIGHT

November 25, 2007 9:24 AM | Link to this

The previous comments are worthless drivel! Ingnorant commentors, read the following, if you can read, and learn a little about baseball! 1) Cordero signing for 10 -12 mil a year is what you pay for a quality closer. With his addition, you firm up the 7th,8th and 9th inning. 2) The Reds had about 20 mil to spend before signing Cordero. They should now go get an inning eater like J. Fogg, K. Benson or K. Wells for 5 mil @ one year. TBC

By boxter

November 25, 2007 8:18 AM | Link to this

Hamilton is NOT an everyday player. His past has destoyed his body. Freel is NOT an everyday player. Griffey is an over paid lazy has been. Cordreo & 46 mil is ridiculous. He will go down with arm trouble like all Red pitchers do. Harang is the ONLY pitcher they have aquired that is worth anything. Top 5 highest prices in the National league and their fans errrr sheep just continue to pay for junk. Memo to Cincinnati fans errrr sheep, enjoy your 70 win seasons.

By dave

November 24, 2007 10:25 PM | Link to this

I’m one of the crazy few who don’t think the Reds are that far away from being pretty good. This was one move they definitely needed to make, probably weren’t going to get a better closer anywhere, and they didn’t have to give up anything to get him. This puts the effective Weathers into his proper set up role, and takes pressure off the rest of the pen. Get Bray on track and suddenly the bullpen looks pretty good.

By chris

November 24, 2007 10:19 PM | Link to this

i would trade dunn not votto for willis idiots dont get rid of votto

By Dan

November 24, 2007 5:47 PM | Link to this

I love this signing, it’s so nice to finally have a front office that has the stones to go out and do what’s necessary to build a contender. There are no risk-free moves (was there a more sure thing than junior when we got him?), but there is no question that you have to pick and choose your chances to have a prayer of contending. There is no question that the bullpen needed this in a big way, more than we need a starter.

By PREACHER,FRANKLIN,OHIO

November 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Link to this

GOOD,MOVE,GETER,DONE,FOR,JESUS,GOD,BLESS,YOU,ALL.

By ex-Red

November 24, 2007 4:19 PM | Link to this

What a great move! Krisky didn’t have to send any offense and we still have some chips to get a #3 starter. Freel at the top of the line up really makes the team go- send Encarnacion and a prospect (not one of the big 4 unless Encarn and Cueto and get Bedard). We could have Bruce start the year similar to Hamilton last year and he’d eventually get plenty of AB’s. Maybe Wolf or Colon on a 1-2 year deal to shore up the rotation and we got the NL Central.

By David

November 24, 2007 12:28 PM | Link to this

Complain about this move if you want, but I think it’s a great deal and another step in the right direction. It’s a hefty deal, no doubt, but with a core of Cordero, Weathers and Burton our bullpen has solidified greatly. Knowing that Weathers or Burton will be available nearly every 8th inning helps more than any naysayer realizes. I also have faith that (pick one or three) Bray, Coutlangus, Salmon, McBeth, Coffey, and/or Majewski will step up. We’re perennial contenders, in my opinion.

By Vivster

November 24, 2007 12:18 PM | Link to this

Please DO NOT pay an outrageous figure for a starter! We’re fine just with the Codero signing and the little Reds coming up this year. Freel and, I hate it but it has to be done, Hamilton should be packaged for a SS. Give Griffey something to think about after a good run this year!

By john

November 24, 2007 11:26 AM | Link to this

Gee Boxter. That is rough…calling Hamilton a crackhead. He’s come a long way, and should be proud of his achievements thus far. I hope you don’t live in a glass house.

By boxter

November 24, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

NO help here. To save a game you must be ahead in the game. Starting pitching is what they need. Dump Griffey & his high salary. Dump crack head Hamilton if anyone will take him. Freel isn’t an everyday player. His running around like a fool has everyone all excited about his “hustle”. This team has more holes than swiss cheese. People will continue to over pay for tickets and the reds will never change. They make money and that’s what it is all about.

By Nathan

November 24, 2007 11:12 AM | Link to this

Some of you are idiots. The Reds blew around 30 saves this year (costing them any shot at the post season) this guy blows 7 saves, a couple down the strech in his first pennant chase and you want to hang him in fountain square before he even puts on the uniform… amazing! As for his 8+ road era, one bad outing can get you that type of era when you only pitch 63 innings…ask David Weathers from ‘06. As for trading outfielders for pitchers…Hamilton, Freel, and Griffey should be trade bait.

By Rob

November 24, 2007 10:32 AM | Link to this

The Reds lost 90 games in 07. To think they’re a starting pitcher and a closer away from legitimate World Series contention is ludicrous. What do we want as Reds fans? A team that sneaks into the playoffs one time on 80-plus wins after a little roster tinkering or a team capable of 90-plus wins that can SERIOUSLY contend for several years? I vote for the latter which means rebuilding with youth. Rather than going after aging veterans, trade vets for prospects to add to Votto, Bailey, Bruce, etc.

By Scott

November 24, 2007 10:19 AM | Link to this

I am so sick and tired of hearing “fans” being so negative. It kills me. I read the posts in here and most were really supportive. However, there is always some malcontents. How about this….before someone gets so negative and gripes about EVERY move the Reds make. Wait at least till the first week of the regular season is over. Give a guy a chance. In the words of Mel Allen “How about that?!”

By Mike Kobylack

November 24, 2007 9:58 AM | Link to this

I think it was a good move if they get a quality closer.But I can’t believe they are trying to trade Hamilton and Hopper and Frell.Hamilton can catch,run and throw as well as hit for more power then Dunn and he would be a lot better in left.Hopper is your future center fielder and with griffey adding some leadership and still being able to play that is your starting outfield.Get rid of Dunn and Encarnacion and get a good two three starter and usae your youth in the field.

By Redsmann

November 24, 2007 9:33 AM | Link to this

Krivsky didn’t let anything out of the bag, as there is nothing in the bag yet. The deal is at best agreed upon in principle. Cordero still has to pass a physical and sign on the dotted line. Until then, it’s within the realm of possibilities that he could change his mind. You don’t announce something until it’s a done deal.

By Jeff

November 24, 2007 9:13 AM | Link to this

I think I would have rather saved the money for a starter, but there is not a starter out there right now that is deserving of that kind of money. We have a few guys that I think would have made a pretty good closer, but they are still a few years away; namely Salmon and Bray. I would love to see the Reds make a trade with Oakland and maybe pick up Dan Haren. I faintly remember the Reds getting another Oakland starter a few years ago. I think his last name was Harang?

By Croyd Crenson

November 24, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Jose Contreras for Hamilton. As a Whitesox fan, I’d loooove to see the Hammer roaming center field for us.

By Croyd Crenson

November 24, 2007 8:15 AM | Link to this

Jose Contreras for Hamilton. As a Whitesox fan, I’d loooove to see the Hammer roaming center field for us.

By mike clarke

November 24, 2007 8:06 AM | Link to this

Wow! I cannot believe any Reds fan would be willing to give up Joey Votto for Willis. Willis was putrid last year and certainly is not the ace that he once was. He would get blasted in our Little League Field.

Votto is a top prospect with an above average career in front of him. You build around Votto, not a mediocre starting pitcher like Willis. Willis would be Eric Milton Redux!

By Rich Carlson

November 24, 2007 7:54 AM | Link to this

Cordero had a great first half of the season but the second half he tailed off. On the road he had an ERA of almost 8. Congratulations you just overpaid for a closer. The Reds could use some starting pitching even more. The Reds need to shore up their outfield defense also before they become contenders. Dunn’s a stiff who has no range and Griffey is also a DH type. Over paid for a manager who last led his team to a last place finish. Hmmmm.

By Nick

November 24, 2007 7:37 AM | Link to this

I love the commitment, but I am still worried about the sign. Cordero’s home v. away stats are disturbing, and he blew most of his saves on the road down the stretch (one in Great American). If this is a bust, then we have another Milton contract with a longer term.

By Steve

November 24, 2007 7:33 AM | Link to this

First Dusty now Cordero. Winter Meeting’s haven’t started and we’re making moves. IF it gets done, the Bullpen has some direction: Weathers/Burton/Bray in the 7th/8th with Cordero the Closer. Keep your eyes on one our surplus outfielders going next. I hope it’s not Hamilton.

By John Ferris

November 24, 2007 7:33 AM | Link to this

Now we’re talking! For all you lukewarm Reds fans who’ve been unloading on the front office, field management/coaching staff, the bullpen, lack of quality starters, and lackadaisical defense — not to mention suggesting trading the “Dunnster” and Griff — whaddaya wanna bet (sorry Pete) this team will rise from the ashes? I’m predicting a complete turnaround, with Dunn going bonkers, Griff being compared to Brett Favre, Harang winning an MVP or the Cy Young. God Bless Nux and my Reds!

By John Ferris

November 24, 2007 7:32 AM | Link to this

Now we’re talking! For all you lukewarm Reds fans who’ve been unloading on the front office, field management/coaching staff, the bullpen, lack of quality starters, and lackadaisical defense — not to mention suggesting trading the “Dunnster” and Griff — whaddaya wanna bet (sorry Pete) this team will rise from the ashes? I’m predicting a complete turnaround, with Dunn going bonkers, Griff being compared to Brett Favre, Harang winning an MVP or the Cy Young. God Bless Nux and my Reds!

By D CAMPBELL

November 24, 2007 6:57 AM | Link to this

Great move if true . The reds needed a true closer , Weathers and Burton can take turns pitching the eight. IT settles the bullpen down . Now we need another starter ,I hope they donot trade Votto unless they can get Nolan Ryan or Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson .

By Ryan

November 24, 2007 6:30 AM | Link to this

Votto for Willis? Thats a pathetic attempt at a trade Alex. The Marlins are going to want much more than Votto for Dontrelle. But it is time to get the trading started by moving the extra outfielders for a quality starter.

By Peirce

November 24, 2007 2:40 AM | Link to this

This is not only big because the Reds get a strong closer, but it’s big for two other reasons: one, it makes all the other relievers better in that they are moved into more suitable roles (Weathers as set-up, Bray before him…); and two. this move makes the Reds suddenly a whole lot more attractive to other available players/free agents who have just seen the Reds sign Baker and Cordero and thus move firmly into a contending team. A lot of money but a great sign for Reds fans.

By Alex

November 24, 2007 1:49 AM | Link to this

Great Move, Now Lets trade votto for Dontrelle Willis

By Steve

November 24, 2007 12:16 AM | Link to this

Good move.

Now, let’s get another quality starter.

By brick

November 23, 2007 11:53 PM | Link to this

Thrilled. Obviously his numbers were good last season, don’t know if they’ll be good again, but, this is exciting because it shows the Reds are moving towards a committment to winning!

By JayThe Red

November 23, 2007 11:18 PM | Link to this

I live in Wisconsin and I have watched a ton of games where Cordero just was dominant in the 9th inning. This definately addressed the Reds closer role and definately improves the bullpen as a whole with Weathers moving into the set up role. Quite a commitment is all I have to say but a good one at that.

By Brian

November 23, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

It shows me that the Reds are getting serious about putting a winner on the field in 2008 and beyond…

By Cory

November 23, 2007 11:14 PM | Link to this

Great move! Can’t wait til spring. I thought it was kind of pathetic we got the news from Milwaukee instead of Wayne!

By Kevin

November 23, 2007 11:08 PM | Link to this

I like this move. It is nice to see this organization open up the wallet and spend some money. It is even nicer to see the Reds spend the money to address a position of concern heading in to next year.

Good move!